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Can't-miss Bush makes choice easy (John Lopez)
- Thread starter Mike Kerns
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ledzeppelin229
Hall of Fame
He probably got inspiration for this article (and I didn't read the whole thing yet since I have class at 10) from dealing with Richard Justice on a daily basis for the last few weeks.
GP
Go Texans!
nice article. what else is left to say?
this guy is the Michael Jordan of football: he's got the talent, the poise, the charisma, and just an all-around focus on the game that is far beyond his years. he's the type ofplayer that can potentially re-define the NFL and transcend Randy Moss/Michael Vick/Etc.....you know, all the guys who are hyped but have not truly become the innovators they were hyped to be.
this guy is the Michael Jordan of football: he's got the talent, the poise, the charisma, and just an all-around focus on the game that is far beyond his years. he's the type ofplayer that can potentially re-define the NFL and transcend Randy Moss/Michael Vick/Etc.....you know, all the guys who are hyped but have not truly become the innovators they were hyped to be.
Mike Kerns
LYSB Podcast
It's a no brainer! It would be like if the Cavs had opted not to draft LeBron!
Chicagotexan1
Veteran
Yeah because he won't let an emotional and irrelevant detail like VY being from Houston cloud his opinion on who the BPA is. It's Reggie Bush. PERIOD.tulexan said:
Mike Kerns
LYSB Podcast
Amen.
You're really stretching it here. I don't care how clean-cut a guy is -- the only thing that matters is if the guy is going to win games. And right now, the team needs a much stronger OL and defense for that to happen. RB was productive for them last year and they have a good QB. If they don't trade the pick and get what they really need, the Texans will have another series of bad years -- and that won't do much for Bush's "marketability."tulexan said:
If you can't stand Carr then get out, don't support the Texans please. Did Carr steal your girl or something. Anyways I think we need less Carr Haters and more supporters anyways. So please feel free to cheer any other team.rey_rebelde said:You people act like he is the "second coming". Let me throw a wrench in all this! Give me Jay Cutler and send Carr packing. I can't stand Carr.
Mike Kerns
LYSB Podcast
I figured out who you are.....Rich Lord ?
Kidding.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
I didn't realise Matt Millen lurked on our boards.:brickwallrey_rebelde said:You people act like he is the "second coming". Let me throw a wrench in all this! Give me Jay Cutler and send Carr packing. I can't stand Carr.
TexanFan881
All Pro
I think it's pretty obvious that we are getting Bush when we are making threads about what is number is going to be already...
travfrancis
Waterboy
i'm sure i'm not the only one in the vy-camp that sees the irony in that statement.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
travfrancis said:
nope! i actually was hoping he was being funny when he said that....since lebron is prime example of why you DO draft the hometown talent. but anywho...back to lurking around the political threads
horn_omatic
Noob
John Lopez is a tool. He is the Alec Baldwin of sportswriters!
kcwilson
Rookie
Ok, how was Phillips can't miss... Dude was on probation in college! There were definitely thoughts about his character.Bobo said:
http://mynptv.org/osborne/biography/bitc03.htm
TexanFan881
All Pro
What great player hasn't Bush been compared to lolgpshafer_1976 said:
The Dude Abides
Veteran
Well Reggie isn't married.Nighthawk said:
vtech9
All Pro
the thing is, LeBron is the leader of his team just like Jordan was the leader of his. They are/were basically the QB of their respective teams. Bush would be a part-time role player for the team that drafts him, kind of like the 6th man in the NBA. That is the problem that I have with taking Bush with the 1st overall pick in the draft, he's not a full time player.KSig44 said:
Running backs have shorter carreers on average than any other position, which is one problem I have with taking Bush 1st. Some say he is an all around player that will field kicks and punts, but I think that if he is the 1st overall pick, there is no way he will be put back there as the KR/PR. As a coach or owner, you just don't put the 1st overall pick back there to risk injury. Besides, we have Jerome Mathis.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
I can't speak directly to Archie Griffin, but certainly Curtis Enis and Lawrence Phillips were never considered "can't miss" prospects. There were all kinds of questions regarding Phillps' character before the draft. And Enis, if I recall, went 5th.Bobo said:
Of course there have been busts in the first round but if you want a list of prospects comparable to Bush, try this one:
Herschel Walker, Bo Jackson, Barry Sanders, Marshall Faulk, Tony Dorsett... he is in this category as a prospect coming out of college. So, if your point is that he could be a disapointment, I agree. I would say Herschel Walker and Bo Jackson both underachieved in the NFL. But, the talent, ability, and work ethic with this group and with Bush clearly lead most experts to the belief that he could be a very special player.
tulexan
Hall of Fame
vtech9 said:
Reggie said in his press conference how the Texans have said how they will use him. He will primarily be a running back, but will also line up as a receiver, and will return punts and kicks. I don't think he will return kicks, but I do think that he will get some time on punt returns.
He won't be a full time player at one position, but he will be a full time player on the field.
So if he's on the field but doesn't get the ball that means he's part time?vtech9 said:
Maybe I need some clarification from you on your definition of "part-time". If you mean he will be on the bench 50% of the offensive plays, you are in error.
If you consider being in on "only" 90% of the offensive plays part time, then I guess you're right, by your definition.
Any splitting of time that gets Morency on the field will probably come from Davis's carries, not Bushes. Yes this is my opinion, but it is no more "opinion" than your part time back statement.
Anyway, I'll take a back who gets his 100 yards in, say, 18 carries over the tough as nails workhorse who gets the same yardages in 23 carries. That give our other players more chances to make their yardage. More offensie plays, higher average per play, more time off the clock...
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
There are so many goofy posts from various points of view that it pains me.
The truth is that if the experts on the draft and the various NFL teams can't reliably pick who is going to succeed or fail, what makes you think a bunch of us MB folks can?
Reggie Bush and Vince Young were both phenomenal college players. Projecting how they can do in the NFL, long term is a difficult proposition, dependant on team fit, work ethic, coaching and injuries among other things. It is very possible given the potential that you saw in their college careers that they could be all the Michael Jordaneque superlatives that people want to paint them with and a bag of chips. It is also possible that the unexpected could happen and they could be ginormous busts.
So, at least to me, a lot of times I read these posts here not in the here and now but how they might be read 3 years from now and how unintentionally funny they would be if the poster guessed wrong. Because that is what all this stuff is--guesses, some more educated than others. I know I've prolly done my share of these possibly unintentionally funny posts, though I do try to be realistic.
You know all the "Can't Miss" posts. Including Lopez.
All the whoevertheotherguy sucks posts.
I guess people want to be able to say that they called their shots, but some of the reaching and justifying that goes on with that shot calling gets kinda goofy.
I have to say one of my favorite MB threads was the one where everyone fessed up on predictions they were completely out to lunch with. Because at this time of year it really is hard to keep perspective--especially when you have the first pick of THIS draft, as opposed to 2002.
The truth is that if the experts on the draft and the various NFL teams can't reliably pick who is going to succeed or fail, what makes you think a bunch of us MB folks can?
Reggie Bush and Vince Young were both phenomenal college players. Projecting how they can do in the NFL, long term is a difficult proposition, dependant on team fit, work ethic, coaching and injuries among other things. It is very possible given the potential that you saw in their college careers that they could be all the Michael Jordaneque superlatives that people want to paint them with and a bag of chips. It is also possible that the unexpected could happen and they could be ginormous busts.
So, at least to me, a lot of times I read these posts here not in the here and now but how they might be read 3 years from now and how unintentionally funny they would be if the poster guessed wrong. Because that is what all this stuff is--guesses, some more educated than others. I know I've prolly done my share of these possibly unintentionally funny posts, though I do try to be realistic.
You know all the "Can't Miss" posts. Including Lopez.
All the whoevertheotherguy sucks posts.
I guess people want to be able to say that they called their shots, but some of the reaching and justifying that goes on with that shot calling gets kinda goofy.
I have to say one of my favorite MB threads was the one where everyone fessed up on predictions they were completely out to lunch with. Because at this time of year it really is hard to keep perspective--especially when you have the first pick of THIS draft, as opposed to 2002.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
If Bush and DD are healthy, Morency will see very few carries. Denver's 3rd RB was only in the game for 10% of the carries on the year.vtech9 said:
El Amigo Invisible
Rookie
Is there a possiblity that we might trade Morency ? If we draft Bushy?infantrycak said:
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Doubtful. Most teams have at least three half backs on their rosters. With Hollings and Wells gone it looks like the three would be Bush, DD and Morency.El Amigo Invisible said:
TexanFan881
All Pro
That's a great set of backs there in Bush, DD, and Morency. Morency could probably be the #2 back on some teams. If someone gets hurt Morency can probably get some carries and I think he will be able to do decent if needed.infantrycak said:
vtech9,vtech9 said:
Who told you that Bush is a "part time role player"? Are you basing that on his usage at USC? If he had been playing for the U of H, do you think he would have played a "part time role" on his team? If the U of H had the other talent that played on USC's team, would you have played him every down and let the other talent sit on the bench? Or would you have use all your weapons? I doubt that Kubiak sees Bush as a "part time role player".
As far as "running backs" having shorter careers....Tony Banks played a lot longer than Gayle Sayers. And I'm sure Gayle Sayers used up a lot more of the owner's money, too. If that's your criteria, this draft could be really easy.
Drafting Bush, if it does happen, will be a very bad break for Morency. And I'minfantrycak said:
not feeling bad for DD, because he got a big break when they gave him a
new and lucrative contract at the "beginning" of last year instead of waiting
for the season to end. With Houston getting the #1 and immediately starting to consider Bush, I really think they would have kept Morency and delt DD since he would have been so much more marketable without a big, new contract.
Plus Morency is simply a better pure RB than DD, who has already gone farther in the NFL, career wise and financially, than most anyone would
have predicted he would. But Morency is now the odd man out as the 3rd stringer and he may suffer the same kind of fate Ragone has at QB.