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Vince over Bush any day of the week! Say no to track spikes.

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ESPN claims Bush ran 4.33-4.37 electronic time, and scouts had him at 4.37 to 4.41. Bush ran on a state of the art track, as in olympic track and field track not a lane of astro turf, in track cleats! HMMMM does Dom Davis play on Sunday in track cleats? Just so every pro-Bush person knows that 4.33 is right on the money, but due to the fact that he ran on a track in spikes is going to down grade that 40 time by at least a tenth of a second so you are looking at 4.43 to 4.47. This is why the NFL should move to a standard on training surfaces. The athletes at Texas ran on a strip of slow turf in football cleats, no wonder there 40 times were so dang off! Plus Electric times report accurate times, and they are much faster than the hand held times. It is not Bushes fault, props to the guy, but to evaluate his performance and try to caompare it to the rest of the playing field is so off. Most teams will have him run on grass/turf in football cleats, I wish we could get those recorded times!
 

infantrycak

Hall of Fame
This would be an interesting post if it were directed at the artificial surface/whatever shoes you want combine. As it is, it looks like a comment against a particular player.
 
Bush ran on a track in sprinters spikes, ran two at 4.33 and 4.37 electronic which is much faster than the 4.38 and 4.41 hand times recorded. Oh, and NFL games are not played in spikes on state of the art track surfaces built to make you run fast. He is 5'10.5 combine height 202 lbs he is to small, won't last a season, and dropped balls (plural) at reciever thrown by his boy Matt Leinart so their goes those can't miss hands. 24 benches is great, but when your arms are 24 inches long bench presses can be decieving compared to OL and DT with 34 inch arms benching 26 times. You look at Vince you get 6'4.75 228, ran a 40 in hand made times between 4.48 to 5.58 on a slow narrow piece of astro turf in football cleats, translation a solid 4.40 to 4.45 on a track with sprinting cleats and electric timing. Either way that is super fast for a QB. You get a guy who scouts reviewed as having a strong arm strenght with very good accuracy 50 of 55 passing. Matt Leinart, 36 of 45 passing (the top QB LOL) was reported as having adequate arm strenght, with good but not great accuracy. Vince brings great size, arm strenght, speed and leadership to one of the Texans weakest positions, The QB! Don't expect to see Bush on the back of any Texans Jerseys he will want some ungodly amount of money for a position that is already filled Dom Davis. Vince wants to be here more than Bush, all bush wants is to be the number one pick he does not care about coming to Houston. Bush says we already have a good QB, hey Bush have you seen his numbers who the heck are you kidding, we do however have a great running back. I say give the damn first pick to Bush, trade that pick off to someone who can afford to pay that premium for a dwarf, and take Vince Young!
 
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whiskeyrbl

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HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHAHA ....... Man u know what .....HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA..... never mind thats just ridiculous
 

ledzeppelin229

Hall of Fame
Damn man, are you trying to get witness protection for Bush before he even gets here? That's the most pathetic post I've ever read, and I thought I had seen some homers. Hell, maybe Vince needs some FBI protection as well. Hope his address is unlisted.

I can't even address all of that..like whiskey said, that's just ridiculous.
 

ledzeppelin229

Hall of Fame
What did Vince Young run on/in? Considering you were probably hiding in the bushes with binoculars, you should be able to tell us pretty accurately.
 
I can see it already, once vince is drafted all the California guys who come on these threads will move off to the Jets web site and Texans can enjoy having a california free blog! I am so glad he ran in spikes on a track, just shows that california mind set!
 

wolf123

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Crazy4Texas said:
ESPN claims Bush ran 4.33-4.37 electronic time, and scouts had him at 4.37 to 4.41. Bush ran on a state of the art track, as in olympic track and field track not a lane of astro turf, in track cleats! HMMMM does Dom Davis play on Sunday in track cleats? Just so every pro-Bush person knows that 4.33 is right on the money, but due to the fact that he ran on a track in spikes is going to down grade that 40 time by at least a tenth of a second so you are looking at 4.43 to 4.47. This is why the NFL should move to a standard on training surfaces. The athletes at Texas ran on a strip of slow turf in football cleats, no wonder there 40 times were so dang off! Plus Electric times report accurate times, and they are much faster than the hand held times. It is not Bushes fault, props to the guy, but to evaluate his performance and try to caompare it to the rest of the playing field is so off. Most teams will have him run on grass/turf in football cleats, I wish we could get those recorded times!
Actually, it has been stated that a hand held time can actually be faster than an electronic timer. These timers tend to anticipate the players crossing in an effort to gage an accuarte time, and therefore can stop the timer prematurely; but the opposite is also true. Basically, electronic times ARE more accurate, but simply implying that VY's and other Texas' players times were all recorded slower is a weak argument and demands NO validity. That being said, I do agree with your point of the track shoes/running track.

It should also be mentioned that Bush was also clocked at 4.25, but his time was adjusted to 4.33 in comparison to the slow-turf at the combine
 
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whiskeyrbl

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Crazy4Texas said:
I can see it already, once vince is drafted all the California guys who come on these threads will move off to the Jets web site and Texans can enjoy having a california free blog! I am so glad he ran in spikes on a track, just shows that california mind set!
Who's from cal.? I've lived in Texas for 41 years(all my life).oh never mind I know Drafting a guy from here will help the team more than the best player available.Thats why you would never own,coach,or pass out towels for a Pro football team.P.S. come by on April 29th i'm cooking crow for all you VY homers.
 
Any time a person puts a factual perspective out, Pro-BUSH people come in with their Sarcastic comments. When people look at the world from a different perspective than the Por-Bush Clan they can not respond with strong arguments, only sacastic replies. You wanna know why, because they know its the truth and is killing them. When we take Vince it is going to tear them up but hey, at least the Texans will finnaly have a QB who can break a tackle and scramble out of the pocket.
 
wolf123 said:
Actually, it has been stated that a hand held time can actually be faster than an electronic timer. These timers tend to anticipate the players crossing in an effort to gage an accuarte time, and therefore can stop the timer prematurely; but the opposite is also true. Basically, electronic times ARE more accurate, but simply implying that VY's and other Texas' players times were all recorded slower is a weak argument and demands NO validity. That being said, I do agree with your point of the track shoes/running track.

It should also be mentioned that Bush was also clocked at 4.25, but his time was adjusted to 4.33 in comparison to the slow-turf at the combine


Sure it WAS, and Bush sprung over the stadium wall after passing the finnish line. LOL 4.25 ha ha ha who was timing that Coach Carrol LOL
 
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whiskeyrbl

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Crazy4Texas said:
Sure it WAS, and Bush sprung over the stadium wall after passing the finnish line. LOL 4.25 ha ha ha who was timing that Coach Carrol LOL
You saw it too no one believed me! Did ya see VY crying in the background?:stirpot:
 
whiskeyrbl said:
You saw it too no one believed me! Did ya see VY crying in the background?:stirpot:
You were there too, did you see those tears of joy. It was really neat to see the Texans present their contract purposal to Vince made me cry.
 
whiskeyrbl said:
Who's from cal.? I've lived in Texas for 41 years(all my life).oh never mind I know Drafting a guy from here will help the team more than the best player available.Thats why you would never own,coach,or pass out towels for a Pro football team.P.S. come by on April 29th i'm cooking crow for all you VY homers.
A 41 year old man acting like he is 18, how cool, life must be great, HA HA HA 41 LOL
 

ledzeppelin229

Hall of Fame
Yea, I was born in Spring and lived there until coming to San Marcos for school. No California bias in me. In fact, I have concerns about Bush as well. I just see a mental list of "rational concerns" and "irrational concerns". I also have a list of "homers that joined the board a few days ago" that gets bigger ever day.

41 acting 18 is no worse than 26 acting 12.
 

TexansCanes

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i don't think people are saying he had a great workout because of just his forty time, cause hey we all have seen him play and know he is fast. i think his 24 reps and 40 inch vert are more impressive and tells you what kind of athlete he is. plus they say his work out as a wr was very good as well so don't get to caught up on his forty time and the only reason we are going to draft him is because he can a 4.33. plus historically hand held times are usually faster and why more people look at combine times becuase they are electronically timed therefore more accurate.
 
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whiskeyrbl

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Crazy4Texas said:
A 41 year old man acting like he is 18, how cool, life must be great, HA HA HA 41 LOL
Actually it is,My Favorite team getting the #1 player!!!! LIFE IS GREAT
 
TexansCanes said:
i don't think people are saying he had a great workout because of just his forty time, cause hey we all have seen him play and know he is fast. i think his 24 reps and 40 inch vert are more impressive and tells you what kind of athlete he is. plus they say his work out as a wr was very good as well so don't get to caught up on his forty time and the only reason we are going to draft him is because he can a 4.33. plus historically hand held times are usually faster and why more people look at combine times becuase they are electronically timed therefore more accurate.
Yea they are faster, thats why his hand held time was slower than his electronic time LOL WOW
 

TexansCanes

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Crazy4Texas said:
I can see it already, once vince is drafted all the California guys who come on these threads will move off to the Jets web site and Texans can enjoy having a california free blog! I am so glad he ran in spikes on a track, just shows that california mind set!
two questions: How is that a Cali mind set and do you normally follow the draft? cause running track shoes isn't uncommon.
 

TexansCanes

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Crazy4Texas said:
I can see it already, once vince is drafted all the California guys who come on these threads will move off to the Jets web site and Texans can enjoy having a california free blog! I am so glad he ran in spikes on a track, just shows that california mind set!
I can't wait for us to draft reggie so all of these UT homers can leave our board.
 

ledzeppelin229

Hall of Fame
TexansCanes said:
i don't think people are saying he had a great workout because of just his forty time, cause hey we all have seen him play and know he is fast. i think his 24 reps and 40 inch vert are more impressive and tells you what kind of athlete he is. plus they say his work out as a wr was very good as well so don't get to caught up on his forty time and the only reason we are going to draft him is because he can a 4.33. plus historically hand held times are usually faster and why more people look at combine times becuase they are electronically timed therefore more accurate.
Don't try to respond to this lunatic with intelligent sounding posts. Just make up equally retarded ones and have fun with it while it lasts...
 

TexansCanes

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if anything it works both ways and the electric time should be the median. it is just as easy of someone to stop is to soon and it is for them to wait to long.
 
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whiskeyrbl

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Crazy4Texas said:
You mean you want Vince Young as well, then why are you arguing for Bush. You said the #1 player, that is Vince Young
Whatever go get ya anoyher beer you are starting to bore me. It's Bush all the way and you know it,your just in denial.:crying:
 

Huge1

Noob
Wow! Said it before in another thread about another dilusional tool....I want what this kid is smoking!

I'm not from Cali. As a matter of fact, I hate USC. I was born and raised in Texas, played D-1 college football in Texas, jumped out of my chair when UT won the national championship, think Vince Young is an extraordinary talent who will excel in the NFL.....yet (As I've stated over and over) I believe that Bush is a rare breed of athlete that only comes around every 10-15 years. It has NOTHING to do with his time in the 40 or his size (how tall is Barry Sanders again? 5'6" maybe 5'7"?). The kid can flat out play. I saw him in person against Arizona State and he made a top 20 team (at game time) look like a pop warner team standing in mud.

Just because you toss Vince Young's salad doesn't mean you can totally dispell what RB has achieved and will achieve in the NFL.
 
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whiskeyrbl

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Huge1 said:
Wow! Said it before in another thread about another dilusional tool....I want what this kid is smoking!

I'm not from Cali. As a matter of fact, I hate USC. I was born and raised in Texas, played D-1 college football in Texas, jumped out of my chair when UT won the national championship, think Vince Young is an extraordinary talent who will excel in the NFL.....yet (As I've stated over and over) I believe that Bush is a rare bread of athlete that only comes around every 10-15 years. It has NOTHING to do with his time in the 40 or his size (how tall is Barry Sanders again? 5'6" maybe 5'7"?). The kid can flat out play. I saw him in person against Arizona State and he made a top 20 team (at game time) look like a pop warner team standing in mud.

Just because you toss Vince Young's salad doesn't mean you can totally dispell what RB has achieved and will achieve in the NFL.
EXACTLY!!!!!!!! KIDS TODAY
 

tulexan

Hall of Fame
I can't wait till Thursday when Reggie leaves Houston with a contract and all of these Vince only fans leave too.
 

Grid

All Pro
These posts are like damage control or something :). Crazy4Texas has realized that the legion of UT homers have either opened their eyes to the facts, or gone back to the UT boards, so he is trying to make enough stupid posts to keep up the appearence of a large VY fanbase :)
 

C Madd

Waterboy
Grid said:
These posts are like damage control or something :). Crazy4Texas has realized that the legion of UT homers have either opened their eyes to the facts, or gone back to the UT boards, so he is trying to make enough stupid posts to keep up the appearence of a large VY fanbase :)
Agreed.
 

Mike Kerns

LYSB Podcast
You mean you want Vince Young as well, then why are you arguing for Bush. You said the #1 player, that is Vince Young
.................Looks like he has finally lost it........
 

thunderkyss

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tulexan said:
I can't wait till Thursday when Reggie leaves Houston with a contract and all of these Vince only fans leave too.

Just out of curiousity........

What would you do if Vince has his contract in Hand come Saturday??
 

bdiddy

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Crazy4Texas said:
Bush ran on a track in sprinters spikes, ran two at 4.33 and 4.37 electronic which is much faster than the 4.38 and 4.41 hand times recorded. Oh, and NFL games are not played in spikes on state of the art track surfaces built to make you run fast. He is 5'10.5 combine height 202 lbs he is to small, won't last a season, and dropped balls (plural) at reciever thrown by his boy Matt Leinart so their goes those can't miss hands. 24 benches is great, but when your arms are 24 inches long bench presses can be decieving compared to OL and DT with 34 inch arms benching 26 times. You look at Vince you get 6'4.75 228, ran a 40 in hand made times between 4.48 to 5.58 on a slow narrow piece of astro turf in football cleats, translation a solid 4.40 to 4.45 on a track with sprinting cleats and electric timing. Either way that is super fast for a QB. You get a guy who scouts reviewed as having a strong arm strenght with very good accuracy 50 of 55 passing. Matt Leinart, 36 of 45 passing (the top QB LOL) was reported as having adequate arm strenght, with good but not great accuracy. Vince brings great size, arm strenght, speed and leadership to one of the Texans weakest positions, The QB! Don't expect to see Bush on the back of any Texans Jerseys he will want some ungodly amount of money for a position that is already filled Dom Davis. Vince wants to be here more than Bush, all bush wants is to be the number one pick he does not care about coming to Houston. Bush says we already have a good QB, hey Bush have you seen his numbers who the heck are you kidding, we do however have a great running back. I say give the damn first pick to Bush, trade that pick off to someone who can afford to pay that premium for a dwarf, and take Vince Young!
This is a little biased and an extremely emotional rant.

Vince Young is a great athlete, but please do not disrespect Reggie Bush. He admittedly run slower than he hoped, saying he broke 4.3 during the week preceding the pro day. However, he did not drop any balls. Lendale White dropped three. Bush was said to have the best hands of any player on the field yesterday. He did 24 reps in the bench press which is ridiculous for a running back. You mention his size, well he is also freakishly strong for his size. No one will accuse Reggie Bush of being a huge guy, but he is amazingly talent. I think VY is an equally great athlete, that being said, there is no reason to mindlessly degrade Bush to make your point that you want the Texans to draft Young.
 

texman8

Waterboy
thunderkyss said:
Just out of curiousity........

What would you do if Vince has his contract in Hand come Saturday??
Honestly, if Texans decide to go that way; I'll be fine with it. This is not like the Chargers' situation with Brees and Rivers. Brees wasn't making the money like Carr. I don't think it will happen that way,though.

I don't have a problem with VY. I believe it will take a couple of years on bench before he can succeed in NFL.

The problem I have is several of VY's supporters have gone off the deep end with their bashing of Bush and CArr. It's gotten so nit-picking and childish.
 

thunderkyss

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texman8 said:
The problem I have is several of VY's supporters have gone off the deep end with their bashing of Bush and CArr. It's gotten so nit-picking and childish.
I cuncur.
 
Crazy4Texas said:
You mean you want Vince Young as well, then why are you arguing for Bush. You said the #1 player, that is Vince Young
#1? Vince Dumb is not even gonna be in the top 10. Now move on and let the real fans debate if we take Bush or Super Mario....:stirpot:
 

Maddict5

Hall of Fame
Crazy4Texas said:
You mean you want Vince Young as well, then why are you arguing for Bush. You said the #1 player, that is Vince Young
Ugh..you're funny......did you hear that 1 at school today..seriously if the other posters hadnt mentioned your age already, i would've guessed you were 10 years old
 

thunderkyss

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Maddict5 said:
Ugh..you're funny......did you hear that 1 at school today..seriously if the other posters hadnt mentioned your age already, i would've guessed you were 10 years old

you're so cool............


you called him a 10 year old.......... :ok:
 
Crazy4Texas said:
Bush ran on a track in sprinters spikes, ran two at 4.33 and 4.37 electronic which is much faster than the 4.38 and 4.41 hand times recorded. Oh, and NFL games are not played in spikes on state of the art track surfaces built to make you run fast. He is 5'10.5 combine height 202 lbs he is to small, won't last a season, and dropped balls (plural) at reciever thrown by his boy Matt Leinart so their goes those can't miss hands. 24 benches is great, but when your arms are 24 inches long bench presses can be decieving compared to OL and DT with 34 inch arms benching 26 times. You look at Vince you get 6'4.75 228, ran a 40 in hand made times between 4.48 to 5.58 on a slow narrow piece of astro turf in football cleats, translation a solid 4.40 to 4.45 on a track with sprinting cleats and electric timing. Either way that is super fast for a QB. You get a guy who scouts reviewed as having a strong arm strenght with very good accuracy 50 of 55 passing. Matt Leinart, 36 of 45 passing (the top QB LOL) was reported as having adequate arm strenght, with good but not great accuracy. Vince brings great size, arm strenght, speed and leadership to one of the Texans weakest positions, The QB! Don't expect to see Bush on the back of any Texans Jerseys he will want some ungodly amount of money for a position that is already filled Dom Davis. Vince wants to be here more than Bush, all bush wants is to be the number one pick he does not care about coming to Houston. Bush says we already have a good QB, hey Bush have you seen his numbers who the heck are you kidding, we do however have a great running back. I say give the damn first pick to Bush, trade that pick off to someone who can afford to pay that premium for a dwarf, and take Vince Young!


Great post Crazy4Texas. I agree with every word. one more point, VY went head-ups with Reggie (the dwarf) Bush in the Rose Bowl and we all know what happened. If the Texan pass on VY they will be making a HUGE mistake. Young will come back to Houston twice a year and make us look like a bunch of clowns. Do anybody remember those clowns from ESPN hyping the greatest team in college history? If I remember correctly, Young make them look very average. I hope Kubes isn't crazy enough to listen to Cassely, that'd be an mistake. :redtowel:
 

KSig44

Waterboy
You pro VY people are nucking futs. Quit being such UT :homer: and look at what's best for the Texans. We can't play 2 QB's on the field at the same time, but we can play 2 RB's or 2 WR's. That alone makes Bush more valuable that VY. I will bet any one of you that he is not taken 1st and that he will slide all the way past 5.
 

chuckm

Veteran
bkimble said:
I hope Kubes isn't crazy enough to listen to Cassely, that'd be an mistake. :redtowel:
I hesitate to respond to this guy but the above quote struck a chord with me. Is this how the impending Bush selection will be spun? Kubiak listened to Casserly? Since Casserly is reportedly on his way out, this line of thinking gives Young disciples an easy scapegoat ... :twocents:
 

BrianC

Practice Squad
I wish i saw a good argument on why Reggie sucks rather than "VY IS BETTER CAUSE I SAY SO"
 

jacquescas

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WELL SAID.

The thing that is soo annoying is that its blindly VY. I think you put all the pieces around the QB position. If Carr doesn't cut it this year, then we have a pretty complete offense that a rookie or other QB can come into and step into a complete team. Maybe its not Vince Young, but its about the football team not 1 player.

Everyone saw what happened with Rivers and Brees. Do we want that situation for us? Brees bailed on the Chargers with no compensation. :confused:

Its just just not smart to have 2 QB's taken at the top of the first round a couple years apart.

I'm not blindly saying Carr is a god, but this is the best team he has had around him. If he fails i say boot him and draft someone next year. but i'm not ready to use a 1st round pick on a QB. I'd use our 2nd 7th rounder on Marcus Vick if you wanted a QB that bad.
 
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