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How will Gary Kublak do has Texans Head Coach
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sprtsfanatic
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Texans#1 said:
I dont think you could hurt our 2-14 team anymore than they hurt themselves last season, but so far with the moves that have been made in FA can only be seen as positive steps for this franchise...not to mention the draft being a few weeks away will add a host of new potential starting talents to our roster to add competition and hopefully some upgraded talent/or some talented depth to help this team in the long run as well as the short term (upcoming season).
Texans#1 said:
Hah! Kubiak's inexperience is already showing. He should be concentrating completely and totally on the offensive line and defense, but instead he's messing with areas that weren't even a problem to begin with -- such as WR, QB, TE and FB. I would have had a lot more respect for him if he would have focused on what the real problems are, but instead he's acting like this is a fantasy football team. So, because of the way he is focusing on the guys who handle the ball instead of where the games are really won and lost, the whole idea of this team being a consistent, competitive team has become a fantasy. This team won't go anywhere under Kubiak and after his tenure (hopefully it will come to an end sooner rather than later), everybody will be looking back fondly on the days Capers was here.
TexanFanInCC
Veteran
Bobo said:
even then, we HAVE addressed all the important areas that u mentioned, defense and o-line. how the heck is TE not important a priority to you?? u think joppru can be healthy enough. the guy is totally raw and he would have to work himself back into playing shape. o yeah i think marcellus rivers is the answer
(jk of course) o yeah last i checked, kubes wasnt addressing the QB situation. 
Texan Asylum
Hall of Fame
Kubiak will get his first Super Bowl ring as a Head Coach in a Texans shirt.
TexanFan881
All Pro
Bobo said:
This has to be an April Fool's Day joke.
the wonger need food
All Pro
Bobo said:
Hey Dom, shouldn't you be looking at game tape or something?
WR, QB and TE have been a problem on this team for a while, in case you haven't noticed.
The offensive line and defense have been addressed as much as any other area. You're coaching staff was more of a problem than the personnel. Now go run some other team into the ground.
texasguy346
Mod Squad
bdiddy said:
I think it's more likely that he's Jeff Fisher. Guess the new guy is a little threatening to him.
the wonger need food said:
You obviously need to be watching some game film yourself. TE has never been a problem for this team -- they have used the TE to stay in and block because the real problem for this team, the OL, needed and still needs help. WR has not been a problem because the WRs they've had haven't even been able to run their routes before Carr gets sacked due to the OL play. And Carr has been just fine. The OL hasn't been addressed at all except for Flanagan. It's basically the same guys they had last year. Same wit the defense. Now go watch your game film and catch up.
TexanFanInCC said:even then, we HAVE addressed all the important areas that u mentioned, defense and o-line. how the heck is TE not important a priority to you?? u think joppru can be healthy enough. the guy is totally raw and he would have to work himself back into playing shape. o yeah i think marcellus rivers is the answer
How can you say they have addressed the defense and OL? It's basically the same group of folks that were out there last year! And until they fix the OL problem, the LAST thing they need is a pass catching TE when the TE needs to be back there helping protect Carr. And you better check again. Kubiak went out for some reason and got Rosenfelds -- as though Tony Banks and Dave Ragone weren't better than he was anyway.
OzzO
.. and then?
Bobo is right, we shouldn't have brought in an offensive minded coach to head up the Texans since we were doing so well with our previous defensive minded coach in the past. The players were all on board with the previous game planing and you could tell the confidence just brimming over the top from the moment they stepped on the field. Heck, you could just read the excitment on the boards from the way the Texans were playing - amazing strategy was used.... especially to move players into positions they weren't suited to play or have had very little previouse experience at. Capers was a master with his experience of the offensive line. </sarcasm>
Bobo, you oughta inform the class on what players you would've brought in for the offensive line, or how you would've focused strictly on that, in case the naive Kubiak or Sherman read these boards.
By the way, Texans#1 - back to your post, I think he's gonna help the Texans. May not be an immediate impact, but at least there's optimism (mostly) on these boards which we haven't seen in a while. Going after players that were apprantly at the tops of his list, and acquiring most, shows that he's getting some veterans in here for the immediate band-aid while he works in the newer players a little at a time. It appears he's working this correctly for the long haul
Bobo, you oughta inform the class on what players you would've brought in for the offensive line, or how you would've focused strictly on that, in case the naive Kubiak or Sherman read these boards.
By the way, Texans#1 - back to your post, I think he's gonna help the Texans. May not be an immediate impact, but at least there's optimism (mostly) on these boards which we haven't seen in a while. Going after players that were apprantly at the tops of his list, and acquiring most, shows that he's getting some veterans in here for the immediate band-aid while he works in the newer players a little at a time. It appears he's working this correctly for the long haul
Anyways, some fans live to be bitter. They'd rather have years of sucking to gripe about instead of a SB win. I can see it now, if the Texans get on the cusp of making the playoffs then the gripes will turn from 'this team led by its inexperienced coaching staff will only win 3 games if they're lucky' to 'their ineptitude cost them a playoff berth'...and so on.
Go pickup a 12 pack of the Beast at the local quickie mart and get hammered if life is that horrible.
Go pickup a 12 pack of the Beast at the local quickie mart and get hammered if life is that horrible.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Not sure, but since his name is on it he better manage this team to four wins next year.
A4toZ said:
Your attempt at sarcasm would come off a little bit better if you were more accurate about what I said. I never griped about him being offensive or defensive minded. I did say he wasn't right for the job, but this offensive minded stuff came from your mind, not mind. And let me point out to you once again that Capers had a fine record with this team of rejects and raw rookies. Every single year, he led this team way above its talent level until last year, when he had a bad year -- as if Cowher and Holmgren never had one of those. And to say that Capers lost the team is not true. I was there when the Texans were down by a bunch at halftime vs. KC and they came out all fired up for the second half. When you can keep a team into the game in that circumstance, it certainly is not true to say he lost the team. And to criticize Capers for moving players around is laughable. At the time, people were demanding he make changes. So he makes changes, and people criticize him for making those alterations! Plus, talk to Bill Bellicik about how he uses Troy Brown. As for the OL, I have said many times that the Texans need to use most of their draft on the OL and defense and see which guys pan out. Wasting capital on backup QBs, pass-catching TEs, RBs and old WRs is just that -- a waste of investment and a waste of time. If Kubiak or Sherman are reading this, as you imply, then listen up: "This isn't fantasy football. It's the NFL where line play rules. So stop playing games with positions you are already strong in and start getting bodies that can move people around." Or maybe you could deliver that message for me. Thanks.
Bobo said:
So you devote free agency to paying overpriced linemen and then you have limited downfield options.
They have no ignored the line, not by a longshot. It's not like Denver's line was built primarily with high priced free agents. You have to have a scheme and you have to have the talent to be able to make that scheme work. Yeah, if you love Capers as you do then paying for a quality receiving TE might seem like a waste.
OzzO
.. and then?
Bobo said:
True, because Capers' 18-46 "fine record" here was something to marvel at. Agree on the KC game - that was amazing, what about the others that the lead was the Texans and was then lost? Was he able to keep the team in the game then? And if you're noting that the Texans should use most of the draft on OL and defense... well, we're not quite to the draft yet. Oh, and you're welcome.
GP
Go Texans!
read this story for an inside look at the MAN we hired:
http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/DEN/5701519
no rah-rah Knute Rockne speeches, no tired cliches of "we just need to execute out there...", none of that worn out rhetoric.
just a guy who wants to win, and who will spend his own personal time and genuine energy to getting it done. a little less talk, and a lot more action as the country song goes.......
http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/DEN/5701519
no rah-rah Knute Rockne speeches, no tired cliches of "we just need to execute out there...", none of that worn out rhetoric.
just a guy who wants to win, and who will spend his own personal time and genuine energy to getting it done. a little less talk, and a lot more action as the country song goes.......
el toro said:
I wouldn't call Andre Johnson, D-Davis and Gaffney "limited downfield options" at all. As for "overpriced linemen," well, when somebody's good you pay for them. I'd rather see them put their money and efforts into something they need rather than something they don't need. And I dispute your statement that they have not ignored the line. They have brought in one starting center who has already been around for 11 years and won't be around all that long. How is that addressing a five-player problem? This team certainly does NOT need to pay for a pass-catching WR until they get the offensive line problem dealt with -- that acquisition was a waste. As for the OL problems, it's hard to say if it was the scheme or the players. Capers said the OL just had to gel and stayed with the same folks. Now apparently Kubiak is basically staying with the same players and claiming that it was the schemes of the previous regime. In both cases, the OL is standing pat and if that continues, you are going to have the same results. It's time to bring in some bodies who can move people -- a lot of bodies -- and then see who can get the job done.
Bobo said:
Again, the line has not been ignored. Gaffney was such a great option that AJ was double teamed right and left. Anyways, with AJ, DD and JG that gives you at most 3 and usually 2 downfield options. With Kubiak's O you are looking at 4, routinely.
Geez, trying to make two downfield options seem to be something other than mediocre sounds just like Capers.
W
whiskeyrbl
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Bobo said:
You sound more like a heartbroke soul looking through the bottom of an empty Wild Turkey bottle wanting to blast every positive thought that anyone has. I have an idea why don't you stop surfing thru the MB for a while pick up the yellow pages and find a good Dr. that specializes in depression. Trust me things are nowhere as bad as you seem to think.
whiskeyrbl said:You sound more like a heartbroke soul looking through the bottom of an empty Wild Turkey bottle wanting to blast every positive thought that anyone has. I have an idea why don't you stop surfing thru the MB for a while pick up the yellow pages and find a good Dr. that specializes in depression. Trust me things are nowhere as bad as you seem to think.
A.) Straying from the point and insulting is a violation of protocol on this board. B.) Failure to address the points presented duly noted.
W
whiskeyrbl
Guest
Bobo said:
Sorry I DISAGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAY!!!!! Kubiak is/will do just fine.Is that better?
el toro said:
A.) Saying it hasn't ignored and not giving specific reasons (more than one old guy, please) doesn't make it so. B.) AJ would have been double-teamed no matter who the second WR was. C.) Gaffney was fairly productive when AJ wasn't there. D.) If the QB can't deliver the ball because the pass rush is all over him, then it doesn't matter who the options are downfield anyway, does it? E.) I mentioned the WR1, WR2 and RB options downfield. Obviously you can bring in guys like Armstrong and others at any time. The downfield options were there, and numerous at that. Those were not the problem, as everybody knows. F.) With Kubiak, you are potentially looking at 0 options downfield because you are pulling a guy used to bolster a weak OL and sending him out to run ridiculous patterns that he won't even complete when the pass rush crushes Carr. Kubiak is making a bad problem even worse.
bad
Waterboy
That's a good point and it begs the question "Why choose the Texans?" Only Kubiak and his loyal, oft-suffering, non-English speaking assistant Kato knows for sure, but we can speculate.el toro said:
Was it the chance to coach Reggie Bush? The challenge of bringing out the best in David Carr? The opportunity to come home to Houston? All three? Two of three? How about four out of seven? Double or nothing.
Or a baby's arm holding an apple?
Anyway, I'm glad he's here. This team needed a shakeup, and not just concerning the guys wearing the pads. I'm full of hope for the coming season, and much of that optimism stems from the coaching changes.
Bobo said:
Funny, you've been doing that in all of your posts. I've already explained how the line was improved at least 3 times now.
Now why is that? Might it have something to do with the fact that the other downfield options were weak?
Unknown receiver makes a few grabs. BFD.
Again, they have not ignored the line this offseason. Somehow you've yet to grasp that.
Those were the only options, if that, and you had to list the RB because you couldn't find a TE. Saying that the Texans had "numerous" downfield options last season flies in the face of reality.
Actually, you are trying to make a good offseason seem bad with your ridiculous gripes.
I guess Denver didn't have a good OL when they were using a receiving TE.
TexansLucky13
53d Signal Batt
I hate it that Carr gets bashed so much around here. He was a starter as a rookie, and under Dom Capers, his abilities have been extremely neglected. I think putting the defense on a 4-3, (no more confused LBs) and giving Carr some experienced options downfield will create a new aspect for both sides of the ball. I believe that, while there are always those who disagree, Gary Kubiak is the long-term investment the team needs. Enough said.
Finally, it's not like having an increased number of downfield threats is a bad thing for the line. That gives defenses less of an opportunity to stack the line. When you have a LB chasing a back downfield as well as the SS then that tends to reduce some of the pressure at the line of scrimmage.
TexansLucky13 said:
Since how did Capers "neglect" Carr's abilities? He threw for more than 3,000 yards in 2004 and had an excellent year. Seems like he did just fine then. And how do you say that Kubiak is a "long-term investment" that the team needs? There is no proof of that in his resume -- he's just as big a question mark as anybody else since he hasn't been in the NFL for one down as an NFL head coach.
TexansLucky13
53d Signal Batt
The reason I think he is a long term investment is because he has NO record as HC. A young, less conservative HC and staff is what Carr needed to grow. Peyton himself may have thrown the way Carr has if he had an identical situation. Sure he has had above average numbers for what he has dealt with, but I think a little more options will serve to increase his skill. Dont get me wrong, I liked Capers for what he managed to do with the team, but he is far too conservative for the Texans.
TexansLucky13 said:
A.) No record as HC = risky investment, not necessarily longterm. B.) A young, inexperienced, less conservative HC could end up getting Carr hurt and making all of this Carr talk moot. C.) If more options mean pulling his protection to get somebody else downfield, of course that will fail because he couldn't get the ball off when he had extra protection. To pull that protection and send it downfield would be an exercise in futility. D.) Conservative approaches have won SBs. The Steelers, Ravens and New York Giants are prime examples. To win championships, you must be able to run the ball and do so successfully. It's very rare that you see successful teams that don't play conservatively. But you do see teams like the Cardinals, who haven't made the playoffs in years, throw successfully -- because they are so far behind so early that they toss out the running game and build up all kinds of garbage yardage through the air.
TexansLucky13
53d Signal Batt
I understand your position of "Kubiak is ignorant for avoiding the Offensive Line", but can you please give me a list of Offensive Lineman that Kubiak "should" have picked up to help the line? I personally dont think that stockpiling the line through the FA would be a good idea. How will the line deal with all the new faces? It takes time to build an offense that knows and can rely on one another. So maybe you suggest that we should dump the entire line from '05 and start over fresh? Bad idea.
Bobo said:
Who exactly were they supposed to pick up? It's not like they didn't express interest in any number of free agent linemen this summer. Resources seemed not to be the main issue.
Anyways, take a look at Denver's starting line. Only one player was drafted higher than the 4th round and one of them was undrafted.
Finally, the assertion that somehow Kubiak, the OC for the last however many years in Denver, does not recognize the importance of a quality line, is ridiculous.
TexansTrueFan
All Pro
Bobo said:
hmmm ok are u a fan? cause i have never seen u make a positive remark about our team. and its getting a little old
TexansLucky13
53d Signal Batt
TexansTrueFan said:
Haha, Amen to that. He seems to have a lot of resentment for losing Capers. In the end, its just something that had to be done. This is the modern NFL, coaches are judged by their performance. Whether it was his fault or not, Capers got bagged for last years 2-14 Reggie Bush race. Has Kubiak done anything right, in your opinion?
GP
Go Texans!
TexansTrueFan said:
When a person has a booger on their nose, and you say to them "You have a booger on your nose," and they say, "No I don't..." what do you do?
You walk away and shrug your shoulders.
So it is with Bobo. I hate to have to rag him publicly like this...but dangit he brings it on himself.
Why he holds onto Capers as if Capers had the answers and if only people would listen and honor Capers is beyond me. To blatantly predict that we'll actually all collectively be here in 2 years to apologize for canning Capers is just beyond bizarre.
We had a few laughs. The guy was a solid character guy. Nice guy. Clean guy. Mouth breather. He took great notes. Snappy dresser. All that.
But the entire direction he took the team, and the level of talent in terms of coaching was not there. It just wasn't, and there's no disputing that sometimes coaching gigs just don't work out.
But we've had four years of wandering in the desert, with NO SNIFF OF PLAYOFFS, and the guy shoud have been given another 3 or 4 years? I can see if you succeed and then have a fluke losing season, but four years of being less than average? We ranked so low on offense for so long, it's not even funny...but a guy who was on a great offensive team comes to our team as HC and he's a goner according to Bobo.
Give the new HC four years and let's get back together to discuss. I'll wager we have a better overall record than the first four years.
TexansLucky13
53d Signal Batt
gpshafer_1976 said:
Perfectly stated. I will never see exactly where Bobo expected Capers to take the team, but thats not of my own concern. Personally, I have much faith in next year. Some may say "riding on the shoulders of the young hero" Kubiak will bring us no success, but this is a step into a bigger world for the young Texans. All teams have had to deal with it, and we are now no exception. Some for better, some for worse.... But lets sit down and watch some football in September before we decide whether the Kubiak trend is a path to failure.
JAXwithanX
Waterboy
Bobo said:
......investments are risky....***....if they weren't....they would just be called upgrades.