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Check it out.. I think it's pretty interesting that Kubiak is thought of as being one the new head coaches getting the most wins this coming season! Go put your vote in now!!! :redtowel:

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-Kevin
 
I dont really remember who most those names coach now, lol. Was trying not to be a :homer: but I still picked Kubiak...
 
I think kubiak is #1 because he's done such a good job turning this franchise around player wise.
 
Can we please agree to NOT call him "Kubes?"

I get a very disturbing visual every time I see him called that.

And how can Childress be ahead of Kubiak? Wow. Lotsa' Norlanders out there, eh?
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
Can we please agree to NOT call him "Kubes?"

I get a very disturbing visual every time I see him called that.

And how can Childress be ahead of Kubiak? Wow. Lotsa' Norlanders out there, eh?
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i agree with the "kubes" reference
 
I think it will be Sean Payton, he learned from bill parcells and has Drew Brees, Duece MCallister, Joe Horn, Donte Stallworth, and a pretty solid offensive line. If they do the right thing and draft A.J Hawk their one of my sleeper teams this season.

Though I do believe Gary Kubiak and the Houston Texans would win that question if they said "Which coach hired in 2006 has been the most successfull?". 3 Years from now.
 
IMO a big reason that we don't get more votes is because we are still a joke of a franchise to other fans. Thanks to those two blowouts on ESPN. Good times. Good times.
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
Can we please agree to NOT call him "Kubes?"

I get a very disturbing visual every time I see him called that.

And how can Childress be ahead of Kubiak? Wow. Lotsa' Norlanders out there, eh?
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I voted for Childress. After all, if you think that the Texans are going to have a better record than the Vikes, you are kidding yourself.
 
ClintonPortis26 said:
I think it will be Sean Payton, he learned from bill parcells and has Drew Brees, Duece MCallister, Joe Horn, Donte Stallworth, and a pretty solid offensive line. If they do the right thing and draft A.J Hawk their one of my sleeper teams this season.

Though I do believe Gary Kubiak and the Houston Texans would win that question if they said "Which coach hired in 2006 has been the most successfull?". 3 Years from now.
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Three years from now, Kubiak may be fired.
 
Vikes have always been an "either/or" team. Always. They are EITHER winning and get deep into the playoffs, OR they just flat out can't win to save their lives. Sort of like the Oilers were.

I do not see them running away with the North, let alone getting deep into the playoffs. I like our chances a lot better just because I think we're getting the right mix together. Childress handled the Culpepper thing completely wrong, and it appears the Vikes have a very iron-fisted coach at the helm. Big payroll going to "star" players + iron-fisted coach = High potential for a meltdown. The owner is very quick to pull the trigger on firing, and he doesn't mind doing such a thing in a tasteless manner as he did to Tice.

I like our chances, and I think Kubiak will outshine Childress.
 
And you're out of your tree if you think Kubiak will get only 3 years compared to Dom's 4-year stint that should have been a 3-year stint. That's my opinion. You have it in for the guy, don't you? This is the second time in a span of about 5 minutes that I've seen you rag the guy.

Coachiak is here for at least 4 years.
 
I don't know if Coach K will get more wins than any other new coach this year, but I can tell you he will be coaching the most improved team of the season. Most times, the coach who produces a big turnaround from 1yr to the next wins Coach of the Year.

I'm not seeing the season record predictions on the boards like I usually do this time of year. (maybe im not looking hard enough)

However, Im thinking 9-7 from 2-14. If by some miracle the Texans make the playoffs, Kubiak will recieve Bum Phillips status for us old local boys; Not to mention league wide respect. Kubiak is lucky to get a team that had more talent than 2-14 plus prime picks in the draft...and McNair. He has set himself up to be a very rich man.
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
And you're out of your tree if you think Kubiak will get only 3 years compared to Dom's 4-year stint that should have been a 3-year stint. That's my opinion. You have it in for the guy, don't you? This is the second time in a span of about 5 minutes that I've seen you rag the guy.

Coachiak is here for at least 4 years.
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Yep. Never did want Kubiak here since he has no NFL head coaching experience and wasn't all that productive without Elway. Capers was an excellent coach who had prior NFL head coaching success and did well with the Texans, taking an expansion franchise in just three years to the cusp of a .500 season -- a fantastic accomplishment seeing that he did it with a bunch of NFL rejects and green rookies. The guy obviously was getting these folks to play way, way above their talent level. After all, when the only people available to you are rejects and newbies, you aren't going to have enough talent to get far. But Capers did and should have been lauded for that, not fired. Heck, if McNair had owned the Steelers or the Seahawks, he would have fired both Super Bowl coaches when they had bad years. Kubiak is taking this team in the wrong direction. We'll see if you still want Kubiak around after three years of between three and five wins apiece. My bet is you'll be wishing for Capers back again after those three years.
 
I really don't think McNair wanted to fire Capers. I believe he understands the importance of consistancy at the coaching position. But when his expensive bevy of consultance recommend a coaching change he listens.
 
Hmmm...for next season, I'm feeling 8 wins, +/-2. New coaching staff, lots of new faces, unfamiliarity abounds. If things click well from the start or near the start of the season, they might have a shot at 10 wins. Of course, if things don't click that well and given the strength of the schedule, they could be hitting around 6 or 7 wins total. Frankly, I'm feeling that they will be in reach of a wildcard berth with about 3 weeks left in the season...and fall short. But, we'll see.
 
Bobo said:
Yep. Never did want Kubiak here since he has no NFL head coaching experience and wasn't all that productive without Elway. Capers was an excellent coach who had prior NFL head coaching success and did well with the Texans, taking an expansion franchise in just three years to the cusp of a .500 season -- a fantastic accomplishment seeing that he did it with a bunch of NFL rejects and green rookies. The guy obviously was getting these folks to play way, way above their talent level. After all, when the only people available to you are rejects and newbies, you aren't going to have enough talent to get far. But Capers did and should have been lauded for that, not fired. Heck, if McNair had owned the Steelers or the Seahawks, he would have fired both Super Bowl coaches when they had bad years. Kubiak is taking this team in the wrong direction. We'll see if you still want Kubiak around after three years of between three and five wins apiece. My bet is you'll be wishing for Capers back again after those three years.
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Awesome April Fool's post.
 
el toro said:
Hmmm...for next season, I'm feeling 8 wins, +/-2. New coaching staff, lots of new faces, unfamiliarity abounds. If things click well from the start or near the start of the season, they might have a shot at 10 wins. Of course, if things don't click that well and given the strength of the schedule, they could be hitting around 6 or 7 wins total. Frankly, I'm feeling that they will be in reach of a wildcard berth with about 3 weeks left in the season...and fall short. But, we'll see.
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Hah! This reminds me of those playoff predictions of 11 wins that were all over this board last year. Please, spare me.
 
Bobo said:
Failure to discuss the points brought up in my post duly noted.
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There were no valid points brought up. Probably why nothing was addressed.

How are things down in Miami, Dom?
 
Well, the whole "he has no head coaching experience" is a lot like swamp gas. You can see it, and you can smell it, but you can't get your hands around it and do anything with it.

Every head coach had to get a start somewhere. They're not just born a head coach and get that title from day one of their lives. They worked up the ranks, hard, and paid their dues. Even Capers had to do it that way. And at some point, you get your shot regardless of the "lack" of experience.

IMO, sometimes the best coach for a team is the one that's never head coached before. A veteran head coach has "arrived," and he's reached that status, and he can slack off and go back to being an assistant somewhere if has to, and then he can go down to college ranks and head coach (Wannstedt, Callahan, etc.) if he wants to, and then he can rise back up to NFL head coach if the timing is right. Just seems that an NFL head coach is always in a position to get back ot being an NFL head coach no matter their successes or failures.

But a NEW head coach, like Kubiak, has something to prove. They are anxious about their head coaching performance...they live it and breathe it...and they don't want to fail their first time out.

But a guy like Capers, tons of veteran head coaches like Capers, are well respected for a variety of reasons, and deserve to be treated wih respect I might add, but they have largely lost that hunger and that passion to do absolutely everything possible to produce a winning team. They don't "want" to lose, but it's definitely something that doesn't bug the veteran head coach as much as it does the rookie. There's a sense of pride in a new head coach, a feeling that they gotta' make a splash. I would say Gruden in TB, Cowher in Pitt., and Belichick in NE are about the only three veteran head coaches that still act like they are a rookie head coach with how they perform.

SO I can respect your ideals of Capers, because he is a good man, but I see a coach that's reached the pinnacle of his career and the times of passed hium by and he's not in the upper tier of veteran head coaches. Maybe Kubiak won't get there, either, but I sense he is just AS good as Capers and that he has better potential because the style of ball Kubiak coaches is succeeding RIGHT NOW...unlike Capers style which is about 10 years past its prime.
 
Bobo said:
Hah! This reminds me of those playoff predictions of 11 wins that were all over this board last year. Please, spare me.
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Right, so the team hasn't made any significant changes. That seems to be your argument.

Frankly, take away some late game bungling and a couple of mysterious shanks by Brown and the team would've finished with 5 or 6 wins last season. It's not that hard to see an improvement to around 8 wins next season.
 
el toro said:
Right, so the team hasn't made any significant changes. That seems to be your argument.

Frankly, take away some late game bungling and a couple of mysterious shanks by Brown and the team would've finished with 5 or 6 wins last season. It's not that hard to see an improvement to around 8 wins next season.
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Um, this team was closer to 0-16 than anything else.
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
Well, the whole "he has no head coaching experience" is a lot like swamp gas.
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I agree...

Yeah, the Bengals should have never hired Marvin Lewis, he had no previous head coaching experience. :sarcasm:
 
Isn't it funny how some people are so wrapped up in their pet theories, they seemingly "want" our team to fail so they can be seen as being correct in their assumptions?

And while being a homer to the core is also not the answer, it's a lot more fun to be a fan when you think "Hey, my team might be making some better moves...and we might get this thing turned around."

Don't know if some of these posters are just Debbie and Doug Downers by nature, or if they're just getting disillusioned and indifferent because the team has not succeeded to their expectations.

Regardless, I'll choose guarded optimism over prideful gloom and doom any day. Go Texans. Go Kubiak. Thanks McNair for doing "something."
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
Well, the whole "he has no head coaching experience" is a lot like swamp gas. You can see it, and you can smell it, but you can't get your hands around it and do anything with it.

Every head coach had to get a start somewhere. They're not just born a head coach and get that title from day one of their lives. They worked up the ranks, hard, and paid their dues. Even Capers had to do it that way. And at some point, you get your shot regardless of the "lack" of experience.

IMO, sometimes the best coach for a team is the one that's never head coached before. A veteran head coach has "arrived," and he's reached that status, and he can slack off and go back to being an assistant somewhere if has to, and then he can go down to college ranks and head coach (Wannstedt, Callahan, etc.) if he wants to, and then he can rise back up to NFL head coach if the timing is right. Just seems that an NFL head coach is always in a position to get back ot being an NFL head coach no matter their successes or failures.

But a NEW head coach, like Kubiak, has something to prove. They are anxious about their head coaching performance...they live it and breathe it...and they don't want to fail their first time out.

But a guy like Capers, tons of veteran head coaches like Capers, are well respected for a variety of reasons, and deserve to be treated wih respect I might add, but they have largely lost that hunger and that passion to do absolutely everything possible to produce a winning team. They don't "want" to lose, but it's definitely something that doesn't bug the veteran head coach as much as it does the rookie. There's a sense of pride in a new head coach, a feeling that they gotta' make a splash. I would say Gruden in TB, Cowher in Pitt., and Belichick in NE are about the only three veteran head coaches that still act like they are a rookie head coach with how they perform.

SO I can respect your ideals of Capers, because he is a good man, but I see a coach that's reached the pinnacle of his career and the times of passed hium by and he's not in the upper tier of veteran head coaches. Maybe Kubiak won't get there, either, but I sense he is just AS good as Capers and that he has better potential because the style of ball Kubiak coaches is succeeding RIGHT NOW...unlike Capers style which is about 10 years past its prime.
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Experience in ANY job is always an asset -- especially when Kubiak even as an assistant coach was spending most of his time in the skybox instead of down on the sidelines where you really test the mettle of a leader. Capers was not just a good man but a great coach and the record speaks for that. His team consisted of nothing but rejects and green rookies because that's all they had to choose from and he led that NFL version of the Bad News Bears to the brink of a .500 season in just three years. If you say "time has passed Capers by" because he had one bad year, then you have to say the same about the two Super Bowl coaches this year since both of them has bad years previously as well. Firing a head coach for one bad year is a bad precedent to set on a team less than five years old when you look at the two Super Bowl coaches from last year. Firing Capers will be a move this franchise, and this city, lives to regret after three years of a guy who never had any NFL head coaching experience, not to mention sideline experience, as well as limited assistant coaching success without Elway and bringing in a mostly inexperienced staff that smacks more of cronyism than trying to build a winner.
 
el toro said:
Hmmm...for next season, I'm feeling 8 wins, +/-2. New coaching staff, lots of new faces, unfamiliarity abounds. If things click well from the start or near the start of the season, they might have a shot at 10 wins. Of course, if things don't click that well and given the strength of the schedule, they could be hitting around 6 or 7 wins total. Frankly, I'm feeling that they will be in reach of a wildcard berth with about 3 weeks left in the season...and fall short. But, we'll see.
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How about 8 wins -5? I'll agree with that.
 
Bobo said:
Experience in ANY job is always an asset -- especially when Kubiak even as an assistant coach was spending most of his time in the skybox instead of down on the sidelines where you really test the mettle of a leader. Capers was not just a good man but a great coach and the record speaks for that. His team consisted of nothing but rejects and green rookies because that's all they had to choose from and he led that NFL version of the Bad News Bears to the brink of a .500 season in just three years. If you say "time has passed Capers by" because he had one bad year, then you have to say the same about the two Super Bowl coaches this year since both of them has bad years previously as well. Firing a head coach for one bad year is a bad precedent to set on a team less than five years old when you look at the two Super Bowl coaches from last year. Firing Capers will be a move this franchise, and this city, lives to regret after three years of a guy who never had any NFL head coaching experience, not to mention sideline experience, as well as limited assistant coaching success without Elway and bringing in a mostly inexperienced staff that smacks more of cronyism than trying to build a winner.
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What are you smoking? Capers couldn't lead worth crap. Everyone and their dog knew that the O-line needed work. What did Dom Dom do with that? Nothing. It was time for a change.
 
Bobo said:
Experience in ANY job is always an asset -- especially when Kubiak even as an assistant coach was spending most of his time in the skybox instead of down on the sidelines where you really test the mettle of a leader. Capers was not just a good man but a great coach and the record speaks for that. His team consisted of nothing but rejects and green rookies because that's all they had to choose from and he led that NFL version of the Bad News Bears to the brink of a .500 season in just three years. If you say "time has passed Capers by" because he had one bad year, then you have to say the same about the two Super Bowl coaches this year since both of them has bad years previously as well. Firing a head coach for one bad year is a bad precedent to set on a team less than five years old when you look at the two Super Bowl coaches from last year. Firing Capers will be a move this franchise, and this city, lives to regret after three years of a guy who never had any NFL head coaching experience, not to mention sideline experience, as well as limited assistant coaching success without Elway and bringing in a mostly inexperienced staff that smacks more of cronyism than trying to build a winner.
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Kubiak was down on the field. Did you watch the Broncos games? He's down there on the sideline. Not in a luxury box. That statement is a lie. Even in photos of Kubiak, he's down on the field with the guys.

Capers was given bad players because that's all he had to choose from? He chose almost exclusively from the Jaguars with his "big" free agency moves: Payne, Walker, Boselli. Big names and only one guy has proven to be worth the risk: Payne.

Look, when you got ONE coach retained from the staff (Marciano for ST) and it's just blatantly OBVIOUS that he did his job "well" and got it done with average talent, then you can't defend Capers and his crew. They had four full years to get us respectable. Not one. Not two. Not three. FOUR. Had we been playoff caliber ANY of those first three season, then "Yes," I'd say give the guy one more season to show 2005 wasn't the real deal...but he didn't do anything but stay the same Capers he had been in Carolina, with the same style of ball. The NFL is cyclical: Offenses and defenses adjust every so often to each other, and one day Capers' style will come back around...but it's not working against today's defensive styles.

I don't have time to get into this with more in-depth analysis.

I just know that you're a very big Capers homer, for whatever reason, and you're not being the least bit objective in your analysis. Period.
 
Bobo said:
... Capers was not just a good man but a great coach and the record speaks for that.
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Good man yes, great coach with 48-80 record (18-46 with Texans)... maybe not.
His team consisted of nothing but rejects and green rookies because that's all they had to choose from and he led that NFL version of the Bad News Bears to the brink of a .500 season in just three years.
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If not for that previously 3-12 Cleveland power house... so close, fate was truly not on the Texans side.
If you say "time has passed Capers by" because he had one bad year, then you have to say the same about the two Super Bowl coaches this year since both of them has bad years previously as well.
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True, because making the playoffs the year after doesn't fly.
...Firing Capers will be a move this franchise, and this city, lives to regret after three years of a guy who never had any NFL head coaching experience....
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Agree, because it was amazing how many teams went after him to be their HC after he was released. Dom is a great guy and good def. coordinator. HC - not so much.
 
Bobo, eat a little crow. Here's an excerpt from a 2002 NFL.com article that details how Kubiak IS ON THE SIDELINE unlike your claim that he sits in his penthouse suite and doesn't know what it's like to be down on the sideline. He has spent the past 3 years on the sideline.

Ouch. This is going to hurt...but it'll be all better after the sting wears off. Proves you'll say anything to prove your point, even if it's not factual. So how we can take any of your other points with anything more than a grain of salt?

Here's the excerpt (with link to full story afterward):

"...Kubiak, in his eighth season as offensive coordinator, used to spend game days in the press box, but he's moved to the sideline full time. That gives him an opportunity to interact with Griese and talk to him via headset between every play. It's not like Kubiak doesn't know what the quarterback goes through. He was Elway's backup for nine seasons."

link: http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/DEN/5701519
 
Bobos post is gloom and doom. Most fans hope for the best, although with certain reservations. I do not want to predict falure there is no fun in it. I watch sports for entertainment. Predictions of falure isnt very entertaining to me. Capers was doing well untill last season with the personel he had. I believe the players gave up on him; a statment to his leadership skills. My only real complaint with Capers is he is a mouth breather...I hate mouth breathers.
 
Jwwillis said:
Um all head coaches had a 1st day.....
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I know. Bobo says that you have to have a coach with experience. I was proving why this statement is ridiculous. I think Lewis is a great coach and wish we would have hired him instead of Dom.
 
And hey, we hardly remember that flash-in-the-pan Jeff Fisher, who got a HC job with no prior experience. :ok:

I can appreciate the respect for Capers. But if we could get back to the thread for a moment--which was about the future and not the ever-more-distant past--I see the Texans having a decent chance at having a very solid turnaround. If the new faces (and old ones!) can pick up the new schemes, there's no reason they can't have a winning division record and steal a couple of other non-division games.

Meanwhile, in Minnesota you have a similar "fresh start" PLUS a carnival sideshow heading for court, the loss of the team's 2 primary offensive stars in consecutive years, an ancient starting QB, and the losses of Nate Burleson, Michael Bennett, Cowart, and Chavous. Oh, and their defense is being run by a 33-year old rookie coordinator. So here's another coach with no experience who's only had one starting QB to mentor in his coordinating career--Donovan McNabb. (Sound familiar?) Oh, and the OC will be the legendary Steve Loney, who also has never been a coordinator. Sounds like a "mostly inexperienced staff" to me.

And they're supposed to automatically be better than the Texans? Er, no. I voted for GK. (BTW, I'm sticking with GK instead of "Kubes" too. "Coachiak" sounds too much like "Kojak.")
 
TexanExile said:
And hey, we hardly remember that flash-in-the-pan Jeff Fisher, who got a HC job with no prior experience. :ok:

I can appreciate the respect for Capers. But if we could get back to the thread for a moment--which was about the future and not the ever-more-distant past--I see the Texans having a decent chance at having a very solid turnaround. If the new faces (and old ones!) can pick up the new schemes, there's no reason they can't have a winning division record and steal a couple of other non-division games.

Meanwhile, in Minnesota you have a similar "fresh start" PLUS a carnival sideshow heading for court, the loss of the team's 2 primary offensive stars in consecutive years, an ancient starting QB, and the losses of Nate Burleson, Michael Bennett, Cowart, and Chavous. Oh, and their defense is being run by a 33-year old rookie coordinator. So here's another coach with no experience who's only had one starting QB to mentor in his coordinating career--Donovan McNabb. (Sound familiar?) Oh, and the OC will be the legendary Steve Loney, who also has never been a coordinator. Sounds like a "mostly inexperienced staff" to me.

And they're supposed to automatically be better than the Texans? Er, no. I voted for GK. (BTW, I'm sticking with GK instead of "Kubes" too. "Coachiak" sounds too much like "Kojak.")
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Er, yes. That's why the poll has them that way. And it seems to me that the "circus" factor was irrelevant because the team was doing surprisingly well during that time. Cowart certainly is no loss to them and the Vikes have always been strong at the RB position. The Vikes QB sure isn't too shabby since he did pretty well last year when Culpepper was injured. If you think the Texans are going to do better than the Vikes, then you must also believe in jackalopes. And why don't you just call the guy Kubiak? There's no reason trying to act like you all are his best pal and giving him nicknames. But then again, maybe that goes along with the fantasy aspect of all this. I wouldn't know.
 
Jwwillis said:
Um all head coaches had a 1st day.....
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If you were going to hire a new coach, which shouldn't have happened in the first place, then there were plenty of better choices out there than Kubiak. If you're going to fire Capers for one bad year, then you have to say you would have fired both Holmgren and Cowher before their SB runs.
 
Jwwillis said:
Bobos post is gloom and doom. Most fans hope for the best, although with certain reservations. I do not want to predict falure there is no fun in it. I watch sports for entertainment. Predictions of falure isnt very entertaining to me. Capers was doing well untill last season with the personel he had. I believe the players gave up on him; a statment to his leadership skills. My only real complaint with Capers is he is a mouth breather...I hate mouth breathers.
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Doom and gloom may not be very entertaining, but after last season everybody knows it can be VERY real. You'd better stay away from all the pre-season magazines, then, because they'll all have the Texans in dead last -- and that won't be very entertaining. And I guess that's why so many fans gave up on the team (some fans they were!) last year because, after all, losing isn't very "entertaining." Maybe if you'd go to the games every once in awhile you'd see that this team did NOT give up on Capers. Anybody who went to the KC game this past season and saw how the Texans came back onto the field would atest to that.
 
el toro said:
Not really. The losses against the Rams, @Ravens, @Titans, and @49ers could've easily gone the other way.
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And the two wins could have gone the other way as well.
 
TexanExile said:
And hey, we hardly remember that flash-in-the-pan Jeff Fisher, who got a HC job with no prior experience.
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Seeing that the Oilers took Fisher on as an interim before the season ended and didn't really have any other choices because of that, I wouldn't make that comparison if I were you. It just doesn't fit.
 
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