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I don't get why we need Bush at all.

Our team has so many holes. We have need at almost EVERY position, and we're going to draft a running back? Which is our ONLY strong part?

WR, OL, QB, TE, DL, LB, S, CB All of these positon are our needs, and running back is definitely not our need!

Please trade down, or draft vince.

No matter how far it is trade down. If we can't trade down draft Vince.
 
jjcorvallis said:
Our team has so many holes. We have need at almost EVERY position, and we're going to draft a running back? Which is our ONLY strong part?

WR, OL, QB, TE, DL, LB, S, CB All of these positon are our needs, and running back is definitely not our need!

Please trade down, or draft vince.

No matter how far it is trade down. If we can't trade down draft Vince.

Why do we need a QB then?
 
jjcorvallis said:
Our team has so many holes. We have need at almost EVERY position, and we're going to draft a running back? Which is our ONLY strong part?

WR, OL, QB, TE, DL, LB, S, CB All of these positon are our needs, and running back is definitely not our need!

Please trade down, or draft vince.

No matter how far it is trade down. If we can't trade down draft Vince.

If QB is such a big hole why not take Leinart, the QB who could help us faster then VY?
 
bpa of the entire draft thats why- who has been a winner at every level of competition- a team player with a great attitude- will help Carr more than you think-
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beerlover said:
bpa of the entire draft thats why- who has been a winner at every level of competition- a team player with a great attitude- will help Carr more than you think-
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We must help Carr. I am still confused by this notion. Let's help the team.
 
jjcorvallis said:
Our team has so many holes. We have need at almost EVERY position, and we're going to draft a running back? Which is our ONLY strong part?

WR, OL, QB, TE, DL, LB, S, CB All of these positon are our needs, and running back is definitely not our need!

Please trade down, or draft vince.

No matter how far it is trade down. If we can't trade down draft Vince.

A #2 WR is a semi-need, but thats only if you don't expect Walters to contribute. QB was addressed with Sage and extending Carr's contract. TE was addressed with Putzier, and Joppru is looking quite good...he is simply insurance and a back-up now. DL - We are set at DT, in fact we have a surplus. At DE, we have Babin/Peek with Weaver just signed. At LB we have some long term contracts in Greenwood and Wong, Orr proved himself enough to warrent a spot this year, and we just signed Cowart to play MLB if Wong isn't ready. Safty is still a need, but only FS. CB is not really a need, only for depth. Buchanon is fine.

Your right, RB is not a need, but neither is a QB and any of the other positions listed except for FS. I like the trading down idea, but not for Vince. It's not that I like Bush either, but Vince is not our answer. Get over it and move along.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
We must help Carr. I am still confused by this notion. Let's help the team.

whats to confuse :confused: he needs better protection (which they have addressed and will continue to address) more weapons combined with a scheme that better fits his strengths. oh yeah, nothing calls the dogs off like a great ground attack & some skilled recievers that can stretch the field out.
 
I'm still confused who he listed all of the positions that we just filled through free agency as major holes (except CB and S)
 
Kaiser Toro said:
We must help Carr. I am still confused by this notion. Let's help the team.

I think Bush will help the team. He doesn't have to carry the ball every time to influence the game. He can be put in the slot to create mismatches and serve as a go to receiver. IMO he could contribute heavily in the passing game. Teams will have to game plan around him and AJ. We would pick up a playmaker in both the running and passing game and still have three picks that we could use to pick up quality players.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
A #2 WR is a semi-need, but thats only if you don't expect Walters to contribute. QB was addressed with Sage and extending Carr's contract. TE was addressed with Putzier, and Joppru is looking quite good...he is simply insurance and a back-up now. DL - We are set at DT, in fact we have a surplus. At DE, we have Babin/Peek with Weaver just signed. At LB we have some long term contracts in Greenwood and Wong, Orr proved himself enough to warrent a spot this year, and we just signed Cowart to play MLB if Wong isn't ready. Safty is still a need, but only FS. CB is not really a need, only for depth. Buchanon is fine.

Your right, RB is not a need, but neither is a QB and any of the other positions listed except for FS. I like the trading down idea, but not for Vince. It's not that I like Bush either, but Vince is not our answer. Get over it and move along.

I don't want to come across as a team hater but after this last season I think I'm allowed to be bitter for a while and I think JJ has a good point. QB is "adressed"? Yes, if Carr can step on the field and contribute well, which is a question mark in my head. I don't know what this surplus of DT's is. I don't know that long term contracts in Greenwood and Wong are good. I don't know how Buchanon can be labeled fine - I mean he was benched by the worst team in the NFL. There are only 4 players on this team who I am really pleased with right now: Dunta, AJ, DD, and Mathis. Hopefully the others will step up, but I have yet to see it.

Now that I've gotten my negativity out... I'll be the first to tell you that I want VY because I am a fan of his, I am a lifelong UT fan. For me having my favorite Longhorn go to my favorite pro team would be a dream come true. From an objective good of the team viewpoint, trading down makes the most sense. I really don't understand the good that Reggie will do us (comparitively). Dominique is already putting up some of the best all-purpose yardage in the league. Mathis has the return game on lock down. I don't get how drafting one guy to get 10-15 carries a game is supposed to turn the franchise around. As I saw someone else post: I think RB could make an average team better, I think he could make a good team great, I don't think he can make a bad team good (thanks TJ). Unfortunately, we fall into the last category.
 
Bush is simply the best player available. Mario is right there with him, but with the recent signings I think the Texans are reserved to work hard on defense.
 
jjcorvallis said:
Our team has so many holes. We have need at almost EVERY position, and we're going to draft a running back? Which is our ONLY strong part?

WR, OL, QB, TE, DL, LB, S, CB All of these positon are our needs, and running back is definitely not our need!

Please trade down, or draft vince.

No matter how far it is trade down. If we can't trade down draft Vince.


As soon as your post said draft Vince it became useless....IF we stay at # 1 we draft the BPA...which is Reggie...NOBODY in the world except UT fans think Vince is the BPA
 
hey not all UT fans are sold on him being the BPA. I personally wanted Vince to stay another year. I like Vince and i'll cheer for him...long as he doesn't go to the Titans. I just can't bring myself to ever cheer for that organization.
 
wags said:
I think Bush will help the team. He doesn't have to carry the ball every time to influence the game. He can be put in the slot to create mismatches and serve as a go to receiver. IMO he could contribute heavily in the passing game. Teams will have to game plan around him and AJ. We would pick up a playmaker in both the running and passing game and still have three picks that we could use to pick up quality players.

Anybody who thinks Bush is going to have much affent on defenses for more than a few games is living in a dream world. Bush will be a good and effective player, nothing more. Whenever he faced tough competition in college his numbers started looking quite human. In the NFL he'll be faced with people who are quicker and just as agile and athletic.
 
In order to win championships, you need clutch playmakers. Therefore it is why we need Bush. Who on the Texans has the "IT" factor? Nobody!!! Bush is not a RB he is an IF for It factor.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
If QB is such a big hole why not take Leinart, the QB who could help us faster then VY?

Is Tim Couch a better QB than McNabb?? Is he better than Culpepper?? You do know he was "rated" Higher than those two right??


tulexan said:
Didn't we just sign a LB, QB, OL, DE, TE, and WR?

Good point......... I hate to admit it........ but good point.

Doesn't change the fact that I want the Texans to draft Vince though


beerlover said:
whats to confuse :confused: he needs better protection (which they have addressed and will continue to address) more weapons combined with a scheme that better fits his strengths. oh yeah, nothing calls the dogs off like a great ground attack & some skilled recievers that can stretch the field out.

The New Orleans Saints showed everybody how to get to Kurt Warner, even with Orlando Pace protecting him......... Even with the real deal Marshall Faulk in the back field. Since then, teams tee off on Kurt Warner........ Much like they will Tee off on David Carr & Peyton Manning for the rest of their careers......... Kurt hasn't been able to consistently beat the blitz, so teams will continue, Carr hasn't been able to recognize when it's coming... They will not stop, until they find out that Carr/Kurt can beat them more often than not. I think that will be the case with Peyton, with most teams....... not so with Kurt, or Carr.
 
1.Dom Davis can't stay healthy, that makes RB a semi-need
2.The Texans biggest need on the entire team is another game changer and gamebreaker, they only other one they have is AJ.

You draft Bush because they believe Carr is good enough to win a championship, espically with a talent like Bush.

Carr and Bush sounds alot better Than VY and DD to me....and most importantly I think thats what Kubes, Cass and Uncle Bob think.

:twocents:
 
thunderkyss said:
The New Orleans Saints showed everybody how to get to Kurt Warner, even with Orlando Pace protecting him......... Even with the real deal Marshall Faulk in the back field. Since then, teams tee off on Kurt Warner........ Much like they will Tee off on David Carr & Peyton Manning for the rest of their careers......... Kurt hasn't been able to consistently beat the blitz, so teams will continue, Carr hasn't been able to recognize when it's coming... They will not stop, until they find out that Carr/Kurt can beat them more often than not. I think that will be the case with Peyton, with most teams....... not so with Kurt, or Carr.


Is that why the Rams looked just as impressive and returned to the Super Bowl the next season? The Rams collapsed because the next season Kurt Warner went down with a finger injury and Marshall Faulk went on a 5 season stretch of being injured for large portions of the season.
 
This is silly you draft the BPA, plain and simple. He is 100% better than DD and I like DD. He is going to be better than Faulk and he (in college at least)could pick up the blitz. Then in the second round pick a WR that slips into the second round. Just hope the WR will be better than Gaffney was when he came out. And we have more picks that day to fill needs/BPA. You don't pass on a talent like this. I never thought we would be in position to draft him at the end of last year and look what happened. I am happy about the off-seasn so far and we need to top it off with selecting Reggie Bush. :redtowel: :superman:
 
SnakeOilTanker said:
1.Dom Davis can't stay healthy, that makes RB a semi-need
Name me one back that ran for more than 3195yrds, avg'd 4.1 ypc, and has more than 1200yrds recieving.... someone playing now.
Ok, name five 1000 yard rushers who started more than 40 games their first three years in the league.
SnakeOilTanker said:
2.The Texans biggest need on the entire team is another game changer and gamebreaker, the only other one they have is AJ.
Give us Denver's running game.
SnakeOilTanker said:
You draft Bush because they believe Carr is good enough to win a championship, espically with a talent like Bush.

Carr and Bush sounds alot better Than VY and DD to me....and most importantly I think thats what Kubes, Cass and Uncle Bob think.

:twocents:

I think Uncle Bob is going to Draft Vince, because he thinks the kid is talented.
 
jjcorvallis said:
Our team has so many holes. We have need at almost EVERY position, and we're going to draft a running back? Which is our ONLY strong part?

WR, OL, QB, TE, DL, LB, S, CB All of these positon are our needs, and running back is definitely not our need!

Please trade down, or draft vince.

No matter how far it is trade down. If we can't trade down draft Vince.


im with you in this one our strenght is our RB's did no one see morency last year in limited playing time or wells ive said before there are not that many teams that would take bush 1st overall.
 
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Dec. 25, 2005, 12:21AM
Reggie Bush just may be one of those gifts you never forget


By RICHARD JUSTICE
Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle

He sits beneath the tree this Christmas morning with a bright-red bow and fancy wrapping paper. Go ahead and have a look. Allow yourself to dream.

Just don't touch.

Amid today's excitement and clutter, this gift will remain unopened for another week. So be patient. USC running back Reggie Bush is worth the wait.

Every decade or so, some NFL team has the opportunity to draft a player who instantly changes everything. Bush is one of those players. The Texans may be one of those teams.

They're close enough to imagine him in their uniform. They say they haven't gotten that far. Forgive them this fib.

They surely have dreamed of the dazzling runs and packed stadiums. He has averaged 8.9 yards per carry this season at Southern Cal. He has scored 41 touchdowns in 38 college games and has 93 runs of at least 20 yards.

He has the speed to outrun defensive backs and the cutback ability to leave linebackers diving for where they hope he'll be. He's one of those players who can take over games and turn losses into victories.

If you think the Texans have so many needs that they should trade the top pick and get several players, think again. Bush is too good to pass up.

One great player can change a franchise dramatically. Look what Earl Campbell did for the Oilers.

Bush has allowed the Texans to envision a time when they'll matter again in the hearts and minds of Houston football fans.

He is all that's left to win in this season of defeat. The Texans lost for the 13th time in 15 games Saturday when the Jacksonville Jaguars beat them 38-20 at Reliant Stadium.

It was another game played in a mostly empty stadium by a team that seemed to be going through the motions. Because they've got the NFL's worst record with one game remaining in the regular season, they're on track to get the first pick in the 2006 draft.

Now for the throat-clearing moment.

The Texans, despite a 2-13 record, are guaranteed of nothing. The New York Jets, San Francisco 49ers, New Orleans Saints and Green Bay Packers have just three victories.

If the Texans defeat the 49ers in San Francisco next weekend, they'll be tied with at least one team for the worst record.

If two or more teams are tied, the team that has played the weakest schedule will get the highest pick. After Saturday's games, the Saints and Jets had played slightly weaker schedules than the Texans.

Details aside, the Texans only have to do what they've done better than any other team this season. They need to lose one more.

"My brother is going to tell me to take a knee every down (at San Francisco)," Texans quarterback David Carr said. "That stuff is going to happen."

Barring a stunning surprise, Bush will be the first pick. Although he's a junior, indications are he will leave USC for the NFL after the Rose Bowl against Texas on Jan. 4.

"He's a great player," Texans wide receiver Andre Johnson said. "He can line up anywhere on the field. He's capable of scoring from any spot."

He would also give a nondescript franchise some badly needed personality. He would be the cornerstone for a rebuilt franchise. By next season, the Texans will have new coaches and a host of new players.

As the possibility of getting Bush has increased, team officials have combed lists of offensive coordinators looking for someone who can get the best out of Bush. He has lined up all over the field at USC and likely will be used the same way in the NFL.

He would give Carr another receiving threat. At the moment, Carr has just one — Johnson. Speaking of Johnson, defenses wouldn't be able to direct their coverage toward him if the Texans had another threat.

All of a sudden, that mediocre offensive line wouldn't be so mediocre with a running back quick enough to get through the smallest holes.

The few fans who stayed around for the end of Saturday's game knew what was on the line. As the scoreboard flashed the news that the 49ers had beaten St. Louis for their third victory, the chant of "We want Reggie!" began.

Some fans showed up with signs about Bush. Some Texans didn't appreciate fans urging them to lose. A few got it.

"You understand the fans' perspective," defensive lineman Seth Payne said. "You understand it completely. But you don't think about it when you're on the field at the wrong end of a score."

richard.justice@chron.com
 
Turp007 said:
We do not need Reggie Bush and we will not pick him up. Reggie Bush will be wearing a Jets Ball Cap when he is standing on the podium at #1. Its ok we will be fine at #4 when we take Vince. We have a grat RB and Morency is a well develped backup. We are in need of a backup QB and the writing is on the wall. Just think about it. The Texans have not pursued any of the top backups, and we brought in a third stringer to fill in as a third stringer.

This is the definition of denial.

So a team that has a bigger nead at QB than we do is going to trade up to the #1 spot to take a RB, I don't think so. The Jets have positioned themselves to make a trade with New Orleans to take a QB, not us, they aren't in the market to take a RB, especially with a QB who has a rubber arm. Why do you think they reconstructed Chad's contract, let me see. Umm, to make him a one year blanket while they groom a QB, more easier to move, and less expensive so they can economically afford to bring a highly drafted QB on board. The Jets are looking for a QB not RB

While the Texans have extended Carr for another 3 years and have spent the entire offseason acquiring weapons and protection for him and will continue to do so in the draft when they draft Reggie Bush.
 
Turp007 said:
Great post whisky, but it is about 8 months old! That was back before Vince was even in the mix. Soryy, but keep dreaming, Reggie Bush, 4.5 SSLLOOWWW for a RB Blazing for a QB. And with the fourth pick, the Houston Texans select Vince Young, QB University of Texas!

I think most people will get past the date and read what is said about how Bush will help this team,as the topic is Why do we need Reggis Bush.Now do you see the relevance.
By the way,did you help VY with his wundrelick test? Because last I looked December is only 3 months away from MARCH.
 
Turp007 said:
We do not need Reggie Bush and we will not pick him up. Reggie Bush will be wearing a Jets Ball Cap when he is standing on the podium at #1. Its ok we will be fine at #4 when we take Vince. We have a grat RB and Morency is a well develped backup. We are in need of a backup QB and the writing is on the wall. Just think about it. The Texans have not pursued any of the top backups, and we brought in a third stringer to fill in as a third stringer.


I think you are reading the wrong team's wall. The Texans didn't pay Rosenfels that big contract to have him be a 3rd string QB. We didn't pursue any of the top backups because they all got huge contracts and we have more pressing needs than a back up QB. And since when is Morency a well developed backup? I know the guy had a good college career, but he has 47 career carries with 21 of them coming in the last game of the season.
 
Turp007 said:
We did not pay him top dollar. In comparison to other deals this past offseason his salary is the going rate. He has never proven himself as a starter and he is only good as a thrid stringer. Everyone in this Texans message board is Pro-Bush so why even try to bring to light the truth. He will be drafted #1 by the jets, he will never dress-up as a Texan, and by the third practice of the season, the Jets linebackers will break his little 5'10 200 lb body in half. Welcome to the real world people! Do you guys understand why no body wants the guy, because he is the second comming of Warrick Dunn, if that good.
Maybe it is because everybody else understands the potential of having a player such as Bush on the team.To many possiblities to mention. With VY he has to prove he can read defenses while under center or he will have a very short career.
 
Turp007 said:
Hey Whisky shouldn't you be on a Jets message board, you all about Reggie and your WUNDERLICK, maybe people over their will love you sentiments about their new running back!

If he is a so-so RB why would anyone trade up to get him? You just proved he is the best player in the draft all by yourself. Maybe Vince would have run faster than 4.5 in his pro day if you weren't wrapped around his legs.
 
Turp007 said:
Potential, he is 5'10 200 4.5 40yrd. He played on a team with great WR and Ol and QB. He ran so well because people could not commit to the run because their were larger threats. People commited to the run aginst Texas and Young still made the look stupid. Vince Young is by ran a much better choice for the Texans. Carr is washed up, he was never as good as Joy Harrington, and look at what his team did with him.

Does it ever occur to you that the Texans will be able to force teams to worry about the run and pass on every down next season? Vince Young made college defenses look stupid while lining up in the shotgun every friggin' time almost. That crap won't fly in the NFL.
 
thunderkyss said:
Name me one back that ran for more than 3195yrds, avg'd 4.1 ypc, and has more than 1200yrds recieving.... someone playing now.
Ok, name five 1000 yard rushers who started more than 40 games their first three years in the league.

Give us Denver's running game.


I think Uncle Bob is going to Draft Vince, because he thinks the kid is talented.

TK ... ever read your own posts. :confused: .. :)

Give us Denvers running game? Draft Vince?

Vince will make a nice receiver, but running back? Not too sure about that.

:coffee:
 
cuppacoffee said:
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeOilTanker
1.Dom Davis can't stay healthy, that makes RB a semi-need
Name me one back that ran for more than 3195yrds, avg'd 4.1 ypc, and has more than 1200yrds recieving.... someone playing now.
Ok, name five 1000 yard rushers who started more than 40 games their first three years in the league.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeOilTanker
2.The Texans biggest need on the entire team is another game changer and gamebreaker, the only other one they have is AJ.
Give us Denver's running game.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeOilTanker
You draft Bush because they believe Carr is good enough to win a championship, espically with a talent like Bush.

Carr and Bush sounds alot better Than VY and DD to me....and most importantly I think thats what Kubes, Cass and Uncle Bob think.
I think Uncle Bob is going to Draft Vince, because he thinks the kid is talented.
TK ... ever read your own posts. :confused: .. :)

Vince will make a nice receiver, but running back? Not too sure about that.

:coffee:

Yes, I try to proofread....... don't want to many spelling errors.
SOT said we need a gamebreaker..... I'm saying give us Denver's zone blocking, and DD will be a game breaker.

Then I'm saying don't draft a running back, get us a franchise QB.
 
thunderkyss said:
Yes, I try to proofread....... don't want to many spelling errors.
SOT said we need a gamebreaker..... I'm saying give us Denver's zone blocking, and DD will be a game breaker.

Then I'm saying don't draft a running back, get us a franchise QB.

Matt Lienert means rebuilding year:) . Reggie would be adding a playmaker to the players we already have. With better line play we do not need to start over with a new QB.
 
Turp007 said:
You said it, BPA aka Vince Young. He is a prototype QB 6'4 3/4 228 with game breaking ability, great leader, cluth in the big game, and when on the field he is the most dangerous player to face. He'll break you with his arm and his running ability in the open field is by far way better then reggie bush.

think again kid. reg bush got those nasty cutbacks
even, maybe. vy by far better, crazy
 
Turp007 said:
We do not need Reggie Bush and we will not pick him up. Reggie Bush will be wearing a Jets Ball Cap when he is standing on the podium at #1. Its ok we will be fine at #4 when we take Vince. We have a grat RB and Morency is a well develped backup. We are in need of a backup QB and the writing is on the wall. Just think about it. The Texans have not pursued any of the top backups, and we brought in a third stringer to fill in as a third stringer.

You are thinking with your heart instead of your head. There is absolutely no way that the Texans will trade their first pick. They will, without a doubt, pick Reggie Bush. He is a safe pick. Vince Young is not. Reggie Bush not only will bring a break away threat each time he touches the ball, but also will sell tickets. And Bob McNair not only wants to win, but also sell tickets.

You can scream, shout, and gnash your teeth, but come draft day... you will hear, "With the first pick in the 2006 draft, The Houston Texans pick.... Reggie Bush from USC".

And in the end, if you are a Texan's fan.... you will be happy they did. :yahoo:
 
Turp007 said:
We did not pay him top dollar. In comparison to other deals this past offseason his salary is the going rate. He has never proven himself as a starter and he is only good as a thrid stringer. Everyone in this Texans message board is Pro-Bush so why even try to bring to light the truth. He will be drafted #1 by the jets, he will never dress-up as a Texan, and by the third practice of the season, the Jets linebackers will break his little 5'10 200 lb body in half. Welcome to the real world people! Do you guys understand why no body wants the guy, because he is the second comming of Warrick Dunn, if that good.

Bush is built more solidly than Vince Young, so if anyone is going to get broken in half by LBers is going to be Vince with his far slower speed and quickness and being a bigger target that runs too upright.
 
johnny_tlmn said:
Look I played against vince while he played in Madison High and I know from prospective that he will be the best pick in this draft to come for us

really?? you think because you played v Vince in HS you've the perspective that hes the BPA for us...nevermind the fact that this occured a long time ago, what was reggie like when you played v him?????????:brickwall
 
Maddict5 said:
really?? you think because you played v Vince in HS you've the perspective that hes the BPA for us...nevermind the fact that this occured a long time ago, what was reggie like when you played v him?????????:brickwall

Nobody talks about playing against Bush in high school, because they didn't SEE him run by all those times, lol. I'm not taking sides on this one--I just hope that somebody offers us fair value (or better) for a trade down. I'd rather take Bush, at this point, but that's only about Carr and his contract. Then there's the fact that only about 25% of the fans in this country think Young is even the best QB. Yeah, the majority could all be wrong, but I agree with them.
 
what gets me is people talk about how Kubiak is bringiing in an OL and it will help DD .. well wouldn't that help Carr also? doesn't having a legit TE going to help Carr and AJ??????


I am in the Adrian Peterson club for 07 and this year in the either Brick or DL this season with #1 overall..
 
Also, I will be very dissappointed if we are in position to draft peterson next year. I can't say i know who all will be in the draft next year, but he will definitely go top 10, probably top 5. That means we would hafta have another terrible season, which i hope we dont.
 
newbiefan said:
Also, I will be very dissappointed if we are in position to draft peterson next year. I can't say i know who all will be in the draft next year, but he will definitely go top 10, probably top 5. That means we would hafta have another terrible season, which i hope we dont.

exactly, but I am hoping for a tradedown scenario like NYG and the Chargers did and get us in position to trade up in 07' :cool:

but that would be a dream
 
Wolf said:
I am in the Adrian Peterson club for 07 and this year in the either Brick or DL this season with #1 overall..
Not much hope for 2006? What's the likelihood the Texans will be in position to get Peterson next year? Don't think we'll see another 2-14 season next year and doubtful we'll be in position for a high pick. You take advantage of the situation you are in now. To me, the choice is easy... take Reggie Bush. There are others who disagree - and that's fine. But let's worry about 2006 before we plan for 2007.
 
The New Orleans Saints showed everybody how to get to Kurt Warner, even with Orlando Pace protecting him......... Even with the real deal Marshall Faulk in the back field. Since then, teams tee off on Kurt Warner........ Much like they will Tee off on David Carr & Peyton Manning for the rest of their careers......... Kurt hasn't been able to consistently beat the blitz, so teams will continue, Carr hasn't been able to recognize when it's coming... They will not stop, until they find out that Carr/Kurt can beat them more often than not. I think that will be the case with Peyton, with most teams....... not so with Kurt, or Carr.[/QUOTE]

Carr is actually a very mobile QB
 
johnny_tlmn said:
Check it, it will be a long time if we ever see talent like Young again for real, the man is a rare talent that u just can't pass up. Now I know it'll be cool and all for Brick but dude it's all young baby.:yahoo:
That must be why he isnt even the highest rated QB in the draft. He is so good he could possibly fall out of the top ten.
 
johnny_tlmn said:
true true I hope we don't either. Draft young and we'll win this year who's with me?!
If we did draft Young he probably wouldnt play this year and if he did we would most likly end up with the first pick in next years draft and in a perfect position to draft AP.
 
Young SUCKS, no way we waste a pick on that trash or a rookie QB for that matter. The Texans are not trying to start all over. You can see by the FA pickups.( filling the holes) Its BUSH all the way and he will be the new face of the Texans. :trophy: .......in a few years with BUSH, The CARR SHOW,& ANDRE tha GIANT!
 
Bubbajwp said:
If we did draft Young he probably wouldnt play this year and if he did we would most likly end up with the first pick in next years draft and in a perfect position to draft AP.

...and then we don't play AP or VY in the following season and get a high pick in 2008. Perfect.

Screw that. Play to win for a change.
 
Turp007 said:
Play to win, I know you did not say that! Draft Reggie Bush and you win 4 games next year and 5 the year after. Draft Vince Young you still when 4 this year, you get AP the next year, but you win 9 games with Vince Starting and Adrian Peterson being just a rookie. Within three years with those two and you are winning super bowls. You Pro-Bush guys are *****s! He is to small, to slow, and he wont last 4 games before he gets hurt. David Carr is not a has been, he is a never was. Joy Harrington was twice the QB Carr has been. If Carr was on any other team, he would have had his butt canned this year just like Capers.

Awesome. Maybe the team can win the #1 every year. I know I like cheering for a lousy record in order to land high draft picks.

I'd rather see the team avoid drafting a guy just because he's from this city. I can think of no worse reason than that. And at the end of the day, that's all you have to offer as to why this team should pick Young. I could care less where he is from. He's going to be a project in the pros, anyone paying any attention can see that. If this team is going to win anytime soon it should forget about trying to placate homerific fans worried about drafting the local boy made good. Failure to say no to fans when they are screaming for a bad move is step 1 in the downfall of any franchise.
 
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