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Why are we the only team high on Reggie Bush?

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YoungnotBush

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Every trade down possibitily on these boards, nobody thinks anyone would trade up to get Reggie Bush, the next Marshall Faulk/Barry Sanders/Gale Sayers?

Why is everyone so sure the Texans are taking Reggie Bush, when no other team seems to really care?

Why is it that the Texans have to have this kid, when they have the best RB situation out of all the top 7 teams in the draft, but we have to have him. He is going to take us to the promised land and no other team want a piece of that.

Anybody care to explain that?
 
YoungnotBush said:
Every trade down possibitily on these boards, nobody thinks anyone would trade up to get Reggie Bush, the next Marshall Faulk/Barry Sanders/Gale Sayers?
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It's not just these boards.......
 
thunderkyss said:
It's not just these boards.......
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you guys (kind of) ever thought that the asking price for said number one pick might not be what other teams want to pony up? my bad, everybody would want to trade up to get VY. that's it, i can't believe it got past me.
 
There isn't often a trade up to number 1 as the price is so high...as the consensus # 1 overall pick...teams dont want to pony up basically their entire draft for 1 player...
 
Wouldn't teams with a worse RB situation than us, will all the problems we have on OL and the fact that we are converting to a 4-3, need Reggie even worse than we do?
 
Dunta_23 said:
There isn't often a trade up to number 1 as the price is so high...as the consensus # 1 overall pick...teams dont want to pony up basically their entire draft for 1 player...
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nice. somebody with a brain.
 
dirty steve said:
nice. somebody with a brain.
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Here, ask the question another way, for those following along at home and still not quite "getting it."

How many of the top 7 (or top 10) teams would take Bush #1 if they had the #1 pick in the draft?
 
dirty steve said:
nice. somebody with a brain.
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You mean to tell me that Oakland or anyone else for that matter, wouldn't trade almost every pick in this draft and/or future draft picks for Gale Sayers or Barry Sanders? Either one of those players would be worth more than anyone in this draft, including VY. And would definitely be worth more than say Jay Cutler and Mathias Kiwanuka, which is what some mocks are saying for the Jets now.
 
Nighthawk said:
Here, ask the question another way, for those following along at home and still not quite "getting it."

How many of the top 7 (or top 10) teams would take Bush #1 if they had the #1 pick in the draft?
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What he said.
 
There is also always the possibility that several teams do really want R. Bush, but they are afraid that if they let it be known, the price could go sky high...if they stay quiet, the price might be lower....

Just look at a lot of Ebay auctions, if you will...they stay low until the very end because people are afraid that if it gets high early they will have to pay more.
 
Nighthawk said:
Here, ask the question another way, for those following along at home and still not quite "getting it."

How many of the top 7 (or top 10) teams would take Bush #1 if they had the #1 pick in the draft?[/QUOT

NO Saints @ 2
tenn @ 3
NY Jets @4

would ALL take Bush if he fell to them.
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UberDork said:
There is also always the possibility that several teams do really want R. Bush, but they are afraid that if they let it be known, the price could go sky high...if they stay quiet, the price might be lower....

Just look at a lot of Ebay auctions, if you will...they stay low until the very end because people are afraid that if it gets high early they will have to pay more.
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So what you are saying is that there will be several teams wanting to trade up to the 1st spot to take Reggie.

Maybe even a bidding war? Is that what you are saying?
 
Eyeguy said:
Nighthawk said:
Here, ask the question another way, for those following along at home and still not quite "getting it."

How many of the top 7 (or top 10) teams would take Bush #1 if they had the #1 pick in the draft?[/QUOT

NO Saints @ 2
tenn @ 3
NY Jets @4

would ALL take Bush if he fell to them.
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Only if he fell though, he said if they had the 1st pick?
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YoungnotBush said:
So what you are saying is that there will be several teams wanting to trade up to the 1st spot to take Reggie.

Maybe even a bidding war? Is that what you are saying?
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Isn't it obvious...I am obviously saying that there will be a huge bidding war and we will clean house....:homer:

In reallity, I was just throwing out a possibility.
 
I just want to know why there hasn't been any talk of anybody else wanting Reggie Bush, even by the Media?
The trade talk is about Matt Leinart, is he possibly the best player in this draft, and we are taking the 2nd best player with the #1 pick?
 
Matt Leinhart is the most sure fire star in the draft. Bush has the most potential, but is also somewhat of a question mark. How much of a question mark is a matter of opinion.
 
HJam72 said:
Matt Leinhart is the most sure fire star in the draft. Bush has the most potential, but is also somewhat of a question mark. How much of a question mark is a matter of opinion.
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First off VY has the most potential, considering he is a QB.

Second, most everybody on this site seems to believe we are taking Bush no matter what, unless there is a trade that is just mind blowing.

Finally, is that smart to take the 2nd best player with #1 pick, or would that be more conducive to want to trade down?
 
Well a team that needs a quarterback is going to take a quarterback. Especially when there is one available that is as good as Matt Leinart. I would separate QBs from other positions for that reason.

So I would say that every team that doesn't need a QB would take Reggie #1. Every team, no matter if they need a QB or not would take Reggie #2 (if Leinart was taken #1).
 
tulexan said:
Well a team that needs a quarterback is going to take a quarterback. Especially when there is one available that is as good as Matt Leinart. I would separate QBs from other positions for that reason.

So I would say that every team that doesn't need a QB would take Reggie #1. Every team, no matter if they need a QB or not would take Reggie #2 (if Leinart was taken #1).
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Then why wouldn't they be willing to pay a price for him?
 
YoungnotBush said:
First off VY has the most potential, considering he is a QB.

Second, most everybody on this site seems to believe we are taking Bush no matter what, unless there is a trade that is just mind blowing.

Finally, is that smart to take the 2nd best player with #1 pick, or would that be more conducive to want to trade down?
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Vince may have most potential, but he has high risk too (or so I've heard) and with early picks - you look for low risk and high reward, or a close proximity to that.

Also, with early picks - you get a playmaker and immediate impact player. Bush is that type on offense, as general consensus across mocks and the nation. Defense, I haven't heard really one stand out - well, Mario is taking a late lead it seems.

The 2nd best? Guess who it is you're thinking is #1 that makes Bush #2. If it's VY - it seems he's the 2nd QB in the draft after Leinhart... possibly the 3rd. The thing with trading down - you've gotta have a buyer to trade up, and no one is showing their cards yet and like you mentioned, has to be a heck of a deal that the Texans move down and be sure to pick up one of their top propects if not the top one.
 
A4toZ said:
Vince may have most potential, but he has high risk too (or so I've heard) and with early picks - you look for low risk and high reward, or a close proximity to that.

Also, with early picks - you get a playmaker and immediate impact player. Bush is that type on offense, as general consensus across mocks and the nation. Defense, I haven't heard really one stand out - well, Mario is taking a late lead it seems.

The 2nd best? Guess who it is you're thinking is #1 that makes Bush #2. If it's VY - it seems he's the 2nd QB in the draft after Leinhart... possibly the 3rd. The thing with trading down - you've gotta have a buyer to trade up, and no one is showing their cards yet and like you mentioned, has to be a heck of a deal that the Texans move down and be sure to pick up one of their top propects if not the top one.
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Actually if you would read back a few, you would notice when I said 2nd best I was talking about Matt as being the best and Bush possibly being the 2nd best.

Plus I am not trying say that taking VY with the 1st pick is what we should do, okay. I am asking why no other teams is even being suspected at wanting Bush, considering his caliber of player, that we can't pass on him.
 
YoungnotBush said:
Then why wouldn't they be willing to pay a price for him?
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This is what I posted last week at an attempt to explain the difference between picking #1 and trading up for #1:


(Assuming you could afford it) Let's say you had the chance to get a brand new 2007 Ferrari F360 for the normal price. It is your favorite car and you have been wanting one for a while. Now there is another guy who is willing to sell the exact same car for the exact same price but you also have to give him your brand new computer, your 42" lcd hdtv, the next car that you are planning on buying, plus the PS3 when it comes out. Would you still take that? Of course not.
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There is a huge difference between picking a guy and giving up 4 or 5 potential players to get 1 guy. I don't know why this is such a hard concept to understand.
 
I think VY may have to have a team built around him over time to be successfull in the NFL, but then he will be really successfull after that. This requirement puts Leinhart ahead of him at QB and leaves Bush as the highest potential for a team that wants a player to just come in and play with it's current staff/regime. I have no doubt that Leinhart is the one that I look at and feel the least stress or worry about his future. He will succeed in the NFL, no doubt about it--but either Young or Bush could be better (or much much worse).

Leinhart is the ice man, ie ice cold, no way picking him could be a mistake....unless you just gave your current QB a huge contract. :idonno:
 
tulexan said:
This is what I posted last week at an attempt to explain the difference between picking #1 and trading up for #1:




There is a huge difference between picking a guy and giving up 4 or 5 potential players to get 1 guy. I don't know why this is such a hard concept to understand.
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So Bush is so good that a team would have to give up 4 or 5 picks to pry him from us?

He is this good and not even a peep about a possible suitor for a trade?
 
YoungnotBush said:
Actually if you would read back a few, you would notice when I said 2nd best I was talking about Matt as being the best and Bush possibly being the 2nd best.

Plus I am not trying say that taking VY with the 1st pick is what we should do, okay. I am asking why no other teams is even being suspected at wanting Bush, considering his caliber of player, that we can't pass on him.
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Ah, apolgies - misread the post. Probably there's no sniff from other teams as just getting through a round of FA, teams seeing how it looks after some of the dust settles and still about a month to go before the draft. Don't wanna show the cards yet - still in "smoke and mirror" phase it seems.
 
YoungnotBush said:
First off VY has the most potential, considering he is a QB.

Second, most everybody on this site seems to believe we are taking Bush no matter what, unless there is a trade that is just mind blowing.

Finally, is that smart to take the 2nd best player with #1 pick, or would that be more conducive to want to trade down?
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To trade down you need somebody who wants to trade up...then you have to see where they are slated and if you can still get one of "your players" at that slot...then you see if anyone can offer you a better deal...and then you trade...more often than not, during 1 of those stages...the trade falls through...More often than not a QB gets taken # 1 overall as they are usually the "Franchise Player"...Leinart may be the most sought after player in the draft by teams wanting a QB...but with the #1 overall pick and nobody trading up...you take the best prospect, which by most accounts is Reggie Bush
 
YoungnotBush said:
So Bush is so good that a team would have to give up 4 or 5 picks to pry him from us?

He is this good and not even a peep about a possible suitor for a trade?
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Casserly has said that teams have expressed interest in the #1 pick. First of all, it is still early. Teams are still evaluating players from reveiwing combine notes, going to pro days, watching game tape, and private workouts. Second of all, just because it's not reported doesn't mean that teams aren't interested. And finally, if the Texans have set the bar at what they want and other teams know about it, they might not be interested because they too have holes they have to deal with. I believe I've read that the Texans are only willing to go as low as 4 because they want to be guaranteed to get either Reggie Bush or Mario Williams. That really limits trading partners as you can imagine.
 
We have some people saying Bush is worth 4 or 5 picks and others saying that no one wants to trade up to get him, so which one is it?
 
YoungnotBush said:
We have some people saying Bush is worth 4 or 5 picks and others saying that no one wants to trade up to get him, so which one is it?
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Its both..because its an opinion...same way some people think Vince Young has the most potential in the draft....peoples answers are different
 
tulexan said:
Casserly has said that teams have expressed interest in the #1 pick. First of all, it is still early. Teams are still evaluating players from reveiwing combine notes, going to pro days, watching game tape, and private workouts. Second of all, just because it's not reported doesn't mean that teams aren't interested. And finally, if the Texans have set the bar at what they want and other teams know about it, they might not be interested because they too have holes they have to deal with. I believe I've read that the Texans are only willing to go as low as 4 because they want to be guaranteed to get either Reggie Bush or Mario Williams. That really limits trading partners as you can imagine.[/

So we wouldn't trade with anyone after the 4 spot, even for 4 or 5 picks, with a couple 1st rounders involved?
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I personally dont think any player is worth trading your draft away for...then again we wouldnt have to trade any picks to get the player we want...
 
YoungnotBush said:
tulexan said:
Casserly has said that teams have expressed interest in the #1 pick. First of all, it is still early. Teams are still evaluating players from reveiwing combine notes, going to pro days, watching game tape, and private workouts. Second of all, just because it's not reported doesn't mean that teams aren't interested. And finally, if the Texans have set the bar at what they want and other teams know about it, they might not be interested because they too have holes they have to deal with. I believe I've read that the Texans are only willing to go as low as 4 because they want to be guaranteed to get either Reggie Bush or Mario Williams. That really limits trading partners as you can imagine.[/

So we wouldn't trade with anyone after the 4 spot, even for 4 or 5 picks, with a couple 1st rounders involved?
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The guy u are talking to isnt the GM, so how would he know what Casserly wants....and the only 2 teams with multiple 1st rounders in this draft are New York Jets(4 & 29) and the Broncos(15 & 22)....the best option for Houston would be the Jets 2 first rounders plus a later pick IMO
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YoungnotBush said:
We have some people saying Bush is worth 4 or 5 picks and others saying that no one wants to trade up to get him, so which one is it?
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Nobody wants to trade up to get him because they don't want to give up the multiple picks.
 
Here I will play Devils Advocate..

Lets see the Jets looked like they were goin for a QB with their pick. However with Chad and Ramsey under contract maybe they are looking to bring a playmaking succsessor to Curtis Martin, Now Say Reggie Bush has an amazing Pro Day... The Jets with 2 first round picks to either spend on themselves or draft a Barry Sanders like runner who will excite Jets fans about the upcoming season where they have watched alot of players depart.

NOw on NFL Network Reggie said at the combine the teams he talked with most notably were the Texans Jets and Titans... Also He was treated to a NY Jets game last season.

That in turn gives us 2 scenarios at #4, Mario Williams DE, unless someone swaps with the saints @2 to grab him. or DBrickashaw Ferguson who would prolly play a year at RT filling our RT need this year and maybe swapping with Pitts somewhere down the road.

If We draft mario with #4 we can then grab Winston @ 29 for the same reason we would grab d Brick. If We grab D Brick, Maybe we draft a Chad Jackson Or Bobby Carpenter. 4 picks later If we didnt get Mario we draft a DE if we got Mario maybe a Corner here,

So as you can see that sounds pretty Doable especially if the Jets wanna get their fans excited about a dismal season. Next Year Mangini then can pick his QB Bradie Quinn out of Notre Dame, who his buddy Charley Weis is grooming.
 
BTW everyone, the original question, was Why are we the only team that seems to be high on Reggie Bush?

Teams are high on Matt Leinart, Oakland is high on VY, NO is high on Mario, Jets would trade up for Leinart, but not for Bush.

And don't say, because people are hush hush, because we are also talking about media speculation.
 
YoungnotBush said:
BTW everyone, the original question, was Why are we the only team that seems to be high on Reggie Bush?

Teams are high on Matt Leinart, Oakland is high on VY, NO is high on Mario, Jets would trade up for Leinart, but not for Bush.

And don't say, because people are hush hush, because we are also talking about media speculation.
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Im not calling you out on it and Ive heard it before but word has it nobody from the Raiders were at VY pro day...that seems wierd to me
 
Dunta_23 said:
YoungnotBush said:
The guy u are talking to isnt the GM, so how would he know what Casserly wants....and the only 2 teams with multiple 1st rounders in this draft are New York Jets(4 & 29) and the Broncos(15 & 22)....the best option for Houston would be the Jets 2 first rounders plus a later pick IMO
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Well he seemed to have known how High the Texans set the bar to trade up and get Bush.
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Dunta_23 said:
Im not calling you out on it and Ive heard it before but word has it nobody from the Raiders were at VY pro day...that seems wierd to me[/QUOTE

The only team not there was the Redskins.

And all of the Texans were there.
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NO one speculated Michael Vick was going to be a falcon in 2001.

No one speculated Ricky Williams was goin to be a Saint.

Steven Jackson was supposed to be the Cowboys first round running back selection in 2003, Instead they traded down and got Julius Jones in round 2.

People Picked Rothelisberger to go to arizona.

Eli looked like he was goin to be an unhappy charger.

Ladanian Tomlinson was expected to be a bear.

There is a hush hush, media speculation doesnt mean diddly squat. last year we were a lock to get Alex Barron. Things change once teams are on the clock.:stirpot:

I just gave you the most realistic trade scenario we would possibly have given the current information.
 
I don't see the Jets trading with anyone. Considering that they have lost a Pro Bowl DE, a Pro Bowl C, a Pro Bowl CB, a solid OT, plus a few other players, I can't see them giving up two #1's plus some more high picks.

The Jets weren't a very good team before they cut a lot of their major players.
 
outofhnd said:
NO one speculated Michael Vick was going to be a falcon in 2001.

No one speculated Ricky Williams was goin to be a Saint.

Steven Jackson was supposed to be the Cowboys first round running back selection in 2003, Instead they traded down and got Julius Jones in round 2.

People Picked Rothelisberger to go to arizona.

Eli looked like he was goin to be an unhappy charger.

Ladanian Tomlinson was expected to be a bear.

There is a hush hush, media speculation doesnt mean diddly squat. last year we were a lock to get Alex Barron. Things change once teams are on the clock.:stirpot:

I just gave you the most realistic trade scenario we would possibly have given the current information.
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But you know we are going to take Reggie Bush, right?
 
There are a lot of really good prospects this year . If I'm a top ten team I'm standing pat because I'm getting a good player without giving up my draft . If I'm the Texans and I can't trade with a team with a top five pick I will stand pat and draft Mario Williams or Bush .

If I pick in the 20s I'm calling the Texans or Saints to see how dumb they might be . I am a good team looking for the missing piece to the puzzle and might want Mario or Bush to get me over the top .
 
Exactly why they might do it because next year, Chances are they are gonna be sitting where we are now.. on draft day (atleast I hope it isnt us again) Brady Quinn will be familiar with the system Mangini brings to the Jets, why not sell tickets by getting the most exciting RB since Barry Sanders? then get a talented young QB next year?
 
Dunta_23 said:
Im not calling you out on it and Ive heard it before but word has it nobody from the Raiders were at VY pro day...that seems wierd to me
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Two teams got a jump on Texas quarterback Vince Young on Thursday night, the first opportunity anyone had to get an interview with the playmaking star of the Longhorns' national championship team.

One of them was the Raiders.

Know this: They love Young. Owner Al Davis, who tends to collect superior athletes on his roster like trading cards -- how else do you explain the fascination with sprinter and erstwhile receiver James Jett? -- has been drooling over Young and his athletic potential for months.

That was out of the San Fran chronicle on Feb. 26
 
I never guarantee anything till Paul Tagliabue announces it on draft day... Like I said given the current information this is the most realistic trade oppurtunity.. I didnt say that it was going to happen I am saying the jets have the loudest voice in our ear on draft day with their 2 1st rounders.
 
YoungnotBush said:
Two teams got a jump on Texas quarterback Vince Young on Thursday night, the first opportunity anyone had to get an interview with the playmaking star of the Longhorns' national championship team.

One of them was the Raiders.

Know this: They love Young. Owner Al Davis, who tends to collect superior athletes on his roster like trading cards -- how else do you explain the fascination with sprinter and erstwhile receiver James Jett? -- has been drooling over Young and his athletic potential for months.

That was out of the San Fran chronicle on Feb. 26
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Cool.. I had just read that the Raiders were the only team not in attendance....must have mistaken them for the Redskins
 
Ted Thompson of the Packers says you don't pass up a Michael Jordan . I bet if VY is there at #5 they will not pick him . This is all postering and until Pauls at the podium nobody really knows whats going to happen .
 
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