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Sinorice Moss
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thetexanator
Veteran
seems like a playmake, his size is just.......well, i dont think hes gunna be as good as his brother.
Mightymike
Waterboy
if for some reason he fell to round 3, then yes.
beerlover said:with the Cowboys picking up T.O this could help bump him down to the Texans, should they want him, with the 33rd overall selection
I believe this would set Carr up with the weapons he finally needs to manufacture an explosive offense both on the ground and in the air
I actually think one of the three Receivers will fall. I'm actually homing someone that needs a receiver picks up either Burleson or Moulds when he is released, thus free up either one or two of the receivers. If moss or Chad Jackson for that matter falls to the Second, I would pick either up.
Youngstown Colt
Rookie
Please don't draft him, you've made so many good moves this offseason, don't ruin it.
Johnny Utah
Rookie
O.G. said:
I actually doubt that Jackson or Moss will fall to the 2nd round. I think some team will pick up Moss in the 1st because of how well Steve Smith did last year, and hoping that he will be the same kind of player.
I would stay away from Chad Jackson just for the fact that Florida WR's scare me. If Jackson were to fall to the 2nd Casserly might get some deja vu because Gaffney unexpectedly fell to the 2nd during the Texans first draft.
chuckm
Veteran
Johnny Utah said:
I'm coming around to this way of thinking myself ... one analogy I read about the WR position makes sense to me ....
consider a WR like a car ... let someone else get it new and break it in .... you pick it up after 2 -3 years and miss the "learning curve" v. "depreciation" costs .... the problem is that it's easy to find a used car than a young WR in trade or free agency ...
Youngstown Colt
Rookie
There's barely any tape to look at on Moss, he was never a playmaker, and never stood out during his entire college career.jerek said:
He's fast, but other than that, he hasn't shown much.
Johnny Utah
Rookie
TexasJedi said:
Reche Caldwell WR - 2nd round
Ike Hilliard WR - 1st round
Darrell Jackson WR - 3rd round
Taylor Jacobs WR - 2nd round
Travis Taylor WR - 1st round
Jabar Gaffney WR - 2nd round
Jackson is the lone good one. The funny thing about Jackson is he was drafted later then all of the other Florida WR disappointments.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
I believe Sinorice Moss will be a great #2 WR & will be there at #33. He falls because this high in the draft teams are looking for a #1 WR which he is not because he lacks size but the Texans already have a #1 in Andre Johnson. Moss is a playmaker, with break away speed that is a excellent route runner & Hurricane he will eliminate the double teams & create mis-matches.
He also has his brother Santana Moss who has proven what speed can do despite lacking ideal size. While I'm not going to say he is as good as his brother (who was selected 16th overall in 2001) he does have the pedicree.
here is an old scouting report circa 2001 on Santana Moss-University of Miami Hurricanes. Height: 5:09.5. Weight: 181. Hometown: Miami, Florida
Hard worker who simply loves the game...Has a small, but well-defined body with outstanding stop-&-go action...Flashes tremendous quickness off the line, maintaining balance and body control in and out of his breaks...Plays at a solid low pad level that allows him to easily uncover from defenders in the open...Extends his arms and snatches the ball with his hands... Excels at working back to the ball, showing fearlessness going up for the pass in traffic...Exciting game-breaker on returns, moving effortlessly past defenders, but also displaying tremendous acceleration to avoid being tackled...One of the best in the game at tracking the ball in flight... Has that great leg drive needed to break tackles near the line and despite his size, shows power, determination and a solid hand punch to disengage from the press coverage...Extremely effective on crossing patterns, separating from his defender in an instant...Very flexible in his adjustments turning on the ball...Gives a good blocking effort upfield in run support...One of the best high flyers in the game, possessing a 42-inch vertical jump.
Sinorice Moss WR 5'8 183 Miami NFL Combine Stats: 40-yard dash - 4.38 42" vertical
He also has his brother Santana Moss who has proven what speed can do despite lacking ideal size. While I'm not going to say he is as good as his brother (who was selected 16th overall in 2001) he does have the pedicree.
here is an old scouting report circa 2001 on Santana Moss-University of Miami Hurricanes. Height: 5:09.5. Weight: 181. Hometown: Miami, Florida
Hard worker who simply loves the game...Has a small, but well-defined body with outstanding stop-&-go action...Flashes tremendous quickness off the line, maintaining balance and body control in and out of his breaks...Plays at a solid low pad level that allows him to easily uncover from defenders in the open...Extends his arms and snatches the ball with his hands... Excels at working back to the ball, showing fearlessness going up for the pass in traffic...Exciting game-breaker on returns, moving effortlessly past defenders, but also displaying tremendous acceleration to avoid being tackled...One of the best in the game at tracking the ball in flight... Has that great leg drive needed to break tackles near the line and despite his size, shows power, determination and a solid hand punch to disengage from the press coverage...Extremely effective on crossing patterns, separating from his defender in an instant...Very flexible in his adjustments turning on the ball...Gives a good blocking effort upfield in run support...One of the best high flyers in the game, possessing a 42-inch vertical jump.
Sinorice Moss WR 5'8 183 Miami NFL Combine Stats: 40-yard dash - 4.38 42" vertical
Sinorice is no longer just Santana's little brother anymore; he is a bonafide NFL talent himself. After backing up for his first two seasons, he became a part time starter as a junior, catching 20 passes for 351 yards and three touchdowns. He emerged this season as a true playmaker, hauling in 37 balls for 614 yards and six touchdowns.
There may not be a bigger playmaker at wide receiver in this years draft. Sinorice is electric with the ball in his hands. He has outstanding quickness and elusiveness, and the speed to outrun defenders. Even though he does not have a lot of experience on special teams, his talents could make him an excellent return man.
Just like his brother, he lacks great size. Sinorice is even smaller though. At just under 5'8, he simply does not provide the size to be a go to target at the next level. He may be relegated to slot duty. His talent suggests he could be a great returner, but he lacks the experience at that spot due to the return ability of Devin Hester.
Moss did not make much of an impact his first three seasons in Miami, but he had a solid senior campaign. It would have been better had he not played through Kyle Wrights first year as a starter, which had its ups and downs. Moss showed in the Senior Bowl that his speed and quickness is a step above, hauling in MVP honors during the game. In a weak wide receiver class, Moss's lack of size may be overlooked a bit because of a teams' needs at receiver. He carries a solid second round grade.
There may not be a bigger playmaker at wide receiver in this years draft. Sinorice is electric with the ball in his hands. He has outstanding quickness and elusiveness, and the speed to outrun defenders. Even though he does not have a lot of experience on special teams, his talents could make him an excellent return man.
Just like his brother, he lacks great size. Sinorice is even smaller though. At just under 5'8, he simply does not provide the size to be a go to target at the next level. He may be relegated to slot duty. His talent suggests he could be a great returner, but he lacks the experience at that spot due to the return ability of Devin Hester.
Moss did not make much of an impact his first three seasons in Miami, but he had a solid senior campaign. It would have been better had he not played through Kyle Wrights first year as a starter, which had its ups and downs. Moss showed in the Senior Bowl that his speed and quickness is a step above, hauling in MVP honors during the game. In a weak wide receiver class, Moss's lack of size may be overlooked a bit because of a teams' needs at receiver. He carries a solid second round grade.
Johnny Utah
Rookie
I think Moss's preformance at the Senior Bowl vaulted him into the first round. I hope not though.
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Sinorice Moss is the younger brother of former Miami standout and Jets first-round pick (2001) Santana Moss, who has since been traded to the Redskins. Sinorice Moss gradually saw his playing time increase during his four-year career at Miami. His senior season was easily his best for the Canes.
Moss lacks ideal size and may never be a full-time perimeter starter in the NFL. However, he is one of the fastest prospects in the 2006 draft class and shows a lot of upside as a No. 2 or No. 3 slot-type receiver. He can get vertical as a route runner and make plays after the catch. He also has great experience as a gunner on special teams and, despite little experience, shows upside as a punt returner.
If Moss can show the ability to separate against bigger, stronger cornerbacks at the Senior Bowl this week and also prove capable of at least competing for playing time as a return man, he could elevate his draft stock and become late first-round pick.
Sinorice Moss
Height
5-7 7/8 -- Lacks ideal height for a high-round WR prospect.
Weight
183 -- Possesses marginal bulk for the position.
Speed
4.30 -- Is one of the fastest prospects in the draft class.
Intelligence
Picks things up quickly. Shows ability to learn NFL schemes.
Toughness
Very tough. Goes over the middle. Will take the big hit.
Strength/Flex
Lacks strength because of his marginal size. Is flexible athlete.
Durability
Minor concerns due to marginal size and 2004 hamstring injury.
Character
Great intangibles. Emerged as a leader at Miami. Plays hard.
Production
Led Miami with 37 catches in 2005. Averaged 16.6 yards per catch with six receiving touchdowns.
WR SPECIFICS
Hands: A - Frames the ball away from his body which makes him a bigger target than size would indicate.
Adjust To Ball: B - Very fluid with exceptional change of direction and quickly adjusts to poorly thrown balls.
Instincts: B - Has a solid feel for the passing game and plays the game fast.
Patterns: B - Could improve presentation but his outs are sharp and his deep routes are dangerous.
Receive Long: A - Has rare speed to run right past defensive backs even at the NFL level.
Receive Short: B - Makes space for himself very well and gives his QB a big target for a small receiver.
Running Ability: A - He is a quick twitch athlete with fantastic speed and good vision after the catch.
Blocker: C - Gives effort and is strong, but his pure size will always hold him back as a blocker.
React In Crowd: C - Moss will not be able to go up and outmuscle NFL defenders, but his effort is impressive.
Release: C - Should struggle early when NFL corners get their hands on him at the line of scrimmage.
PRACTICE NOTES
Monday (1/23/06): Moss is even smaller than advertised. His lack of height is a major concern. Practice was light with very little contact, so Moss' weaknesses were not exposed today. His quickness, change-of-direction skills and speed really stand out in one-on-one and seven-on-seven drills. He shows very good concentration catching the ball. He plucks the ball quickly on the run. He is able to tuck it away and get upfield with great initial burst. He showed the ability to adjust to poorly thrown balls on a couple of occasions today.
Tuesday (1/24/06): Although this was not a physical practice, Moss shined on Tuesday. Clearly he is much smaller than what is ideal by NFL standards and he will be ranked very low on several team's boards that are trying to improve upon the size of their receivers, but Moss eats up a cornerback's cushion very rapidly, shows outstanding quickness and catches the ball consistently with his hands and away from his body. Moss stood out on Tuesday and made quite a few plays as a receiver and was also sure-handed as both a punt and kickoff returner.
Wednesday (1/25/06): Like yesterday's report, it must be prefaced that this was not a contact situation, but Moss has been very impressive during the Senior Bowl practices. Wednesday was no different as he caught everything in site and showed pluck hands with balls thrown away from him or over his head. For this reason along with his ability to get up in the air, Moss' catching radius is bigger than most players his size. There isn't a cornerback on the South roster that can cover Moss one-on-one in these drills and his routes are improving and his ability to push a cushion remains outstanding.
SUMMARY
Moss was simply one of the most impressive players during Senior Bowl practices on either team. He played the game at a different speed than everyone else on the field and stood out to everyone in attendance. The South did not have a corner that could keep up with Moss, as his speed, quickness and explosiveness were more than they could handle. As strong of a week as Moss had in Mobile, it must be stated that although he is well built and strong, he is extremely short and none of these drills were physical, which greatly played to his strengths. Moss may have been impressive enough to have his name called in round one and is sure to be a top-40 selection.
FINAL GRADE: A
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Sinorice Moss is the younger brother of former Miami standout and Jets first-round pick (2001) Santana Moss, who has since been traded to the Redskins. Sinorice Moss gradually saw his playing time increase during his four-year career at Miami. His senior season was easily his best for the Canes.
Moss lacks ideal size and may never be a full-time perimeter starter in the NFL. However, he is one of the fastest prospects in the 2006 draft class and shows a lot of upside as a No. 2 or No. 3 slot-type receiver. He can get vertical as a route runner and make plays after the catch. He also has great experience as a gunner on special teams and, despite little experience, shows upside as a punt returner.
If Moss can show the ability to separate against bigger, stronger cornerbacks at the Senior Bowl this week and also prove capable of at least competing for playing time as a return man, he could elevate his draft stock and become late first-round pick.
Sinorice Moss
Height
5-7 7/8 -- Lacks ideal height for a high-round WR prospect.
Weight
183 -- Possesses marginal bulk for the position.
Speed
4.30 -- Is one of the fastest prospects in the draft class.
Intelligence
Picks things up quickly. Shows ability to learn NFL schemes.
Toughness
Very tough. Goes over the middle. Will take the big hit.
Strength/Flex
Lacks strength because of his marginal size. Is flexible athlete.
Durability
Minor concerns due to marginal size and 2004 hamstring injury.
Character
Great intangibles. Emerged as a leader at Miami. Plays hard.
Production
Led Miami with 37 catches in 2005. Averaged 16.6 yards per catch with six receiving touchdowns.
WR SPECIFICS
Hands: A - Frames the ball away from his body which makes him a bigger target than size would indicate.
Adjust To Ball: B - Very fluid with exceptional change of direction and quickly adjusts to poorly thrown balls.
Instincts: B - Has a solid feel for the passing game and plays the game fast.
Patterns: B - Could improve presentation but his outs are sharp and his deep routes are dangerous.
Receive Long: A - Has rare speed to run right past defensive backs even at the NFL level.
Receive Short: B - Makes space for himself very well and gives his QB a big target for a small receiver.
Running Ability: A - He is a quick twitch athlete with fantastic speed and good vision after the catch.
Blocker: C - Gives effort and is strong, but his pure size will always hold him back as a blocker.
React In Crowd: C - Moss will not be able to go up and outmuscle NFL defenders, but his effort is impressive.
Release: C - Should struggle early when NFL corners get their hands on him at the line of scrimmage.
PRACTICE NOTES
Monday (1/23/06): Moss is even smaller than advertised. His lack of height is a major concern. Practice was light with very little contact, so Moss' weaknesses were not exposed today. His quickness, change-of-direction skills and speed really stand out in one-on-one and seven-on-seven drills. He shows very good concentration catching the ball. He plucks the ball quickly on the run. He is able to tuck it away and get upfield with great initial burst. He showed the ability to adjust to poorly thrown balls on a couple of occasions today.
Tuesday (1/24/06): Although this was not a physical practice, Moss shined on Tuesday. Clearly he is much smaller than what is ideal by NFL standards and he will be ranked very low on several team's boards that are trying to improve upon the size of their receivers, but Moss eats up a cornerback's cushion very rapidly, shows outstanding quickness and catches the ball consistently with his hands and away from his body. Moss stood out on Tuesday and made quite a few plays as a receiver and was also sure-handed as both a punt and kickoff returner.
Wednesday (1/25/06): Like yesterday's report, it must be prefaced that this was not a contact situation, but Moss has been very impressive during the Senior Bowl practices. Wednesday was no different as he caught everything in site and showed pluck hands with balls thrown away from him or over his head. For this reason along with his ability to get up in the air, Moss' catching radius is bigger than most players his size. There isn't a cornerback on the South roster that can cover Moss one-on-one in these drills and his routes are improving and his ability to push a cushion remains outstanding.
SUMMARY
Moss was simply one of the most impressive players during Senior Bowl practices on either team. He played the game at a different speed than everyone else on the field and stood out to everyone in attendance. The South did not have a corner that could keep up with Moss, as his speed, quickness and explosiveness were more than they could handle. As strong of a week as Moss had in Mobile, it must be stated that although he is well built and strong, he is extremely short and none of these drills were physical, which greatly played to his strengths. Moss may have been impressive enough to have his name called in round one and is sure to be a top-40 selection.
FINAL GRADE: A
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
IMO:
1. Not there at our #2 pick.
2. We need impact defensive players.
3. Not enough footballs for that much talent.
4. I am not interested in breaking in another rookie WR right now. Mathis needs some more work and Carr would be better off with a WR who already has some NFL smarts.
1. Not there at our #2 pick.
2. We need impact defensive players.
3. Not enough footballs for that much talent.
4. I am not interested in breaking in another rookie WR right now. Mathis needs some more work and Carr would be better off with a WR who already has some NFL smarts.
El Amigo Invisible
Rookie
Who do we take with the 2nd pick? Alot of people wanted a Center but I guess we have got that covered!
W
whiskeyrbl
Guest
I would rather have Hagan
Full Name: Sinorice Moss
Born: December 28, 1983
Birth Place: Miami, FL
Height: 5-8
Weight: 182 lbs. Age: 22
Pos: WR
Class: Senior
REC 35 | YDS 604 | TD 6
Profile Stats Game Log
Receiving Stats
YEAR TEAM REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST
2002 MIA 3 30 10.0 17 0 0 0 0
2003 MIA 8 111 13.9 32 0 0 0 0
2004 MIA 20 351 17.6 63 3 0 0 0
2005 MIA 37 614 16.6 92 6 0 0 0
Return Stats
No Stats Available
Rushing Stats
YEAR TEAM ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST
2004 MIA 2 4 2.0 2 0 0 0 0
2005 MIA 7 55 7.9 16 0 0 0 0
Derek Hagan / WR
Full Name: Derek Hagan
Born:September 21, 1984
Birth Place: Palmdale, CA
Height: 6-2
Weight: 202 lbs. Age: 21
Pos: WR
Class: Senior
REC 72 | YDS 1,113 | TD 8
Profile Stats Game Log
Receiving Stats
YEAR TEAM REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST
2002 ASU 32 405 12.7 51 0 0 0 0
2003 ASU 66 1076 16.3 80 9 0 0 0
2004 ASU 83 1248 15.0 79 10 0 0 0
2005 ASU 77 1210 15.7 59 8 0 0 0
Full Name: Sinorice Moss
Born: December 28, 1983
Birth Place: Miami, FL
Height: 5-8
Weight: 182 lbs. Age: 22
Pos: WR
Class: Senior
REC 35 | YDS 604 | TD 6
Profile Stats Game Log
Receiving Stats
YEAR TEAM REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST
2002 MIA 3 30 10.0 17 0 0 0 0
2003 MIA 8 111 13.9 32 0 0 0 0
2004 MIA 20 351 17.6 63 3 0 0 0
2005 MIA 37 614 16.6 92 6 0 0 0
Return Stats
No Stats Available
Rushing Stats
YEAR TEAM ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST
2004 MIA 2 4 2.0 2 0 0 0 0
2005 MIA 7 55 7.9 16 0 0 0 0
Derek Hagan / WR
Full Name: Derek Hagan
Born:September 21, 1984
Birth Place: Palmdale, CA
Height: 6-2
Weight: 202 lbs. Age: 21
Pos: WR
Class: Senior
REC 72 | YDS 1,113 | TD 8
Profile Stats Game Log
Receiving Stats
YEAR TEAM REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST
2002 ASU 32 405 12.7 51 0 0 0 0
2003 ASU 66 1076 16.3 80 9 0 0 0
2004 ASU 83 1248 15.0 79 10 0 0 0
2005 ASU 77 1210 15.7 59 8 0 0 0
beerlover
Hall of Fame
whiskeyrbl said:
different systems different QB's, also from the combine- Sinorice Moss of Miami (FL) was impressive as expected and clocked in the 4.3's while others who ran well include Devin Aromashodu and Ben Obomanu of Auburn, Willie Reid of Florida St., Jonathan Orr of Wisconsin, Adam Jennings of Fresno St. Meanwhile Derek Hagan of Arizona St. also clocked an impressive 4.42 forty but continued to drop balls while a couple of sleepers in Miles Austin of Monmouth and Marques Colston of Hofstra more than held their own.
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/combine/review.html
Hagan seems like another Jabar Gafney
jjcorvallis
Noob
If we are going to draft WR, draft Mike Hass for 3rd Round pick.
He has great hands and won't drop any ball. He knows how to get open and he is very smart. He will be a good help.
He has great hands and won't drop any ball. He knows how to get open and he is very smart. He will be a good help.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
Moss is great, but I don't think we can spend our second round pick on a WR. We need to address our secondary (FS) and maybe an O-linemen if one of the top ones falls.
I really don't think we would have enough balls to go around between AJ, Bush, Mathis, Walters, and then Moss.
I really don't think we would have enough balls to go around between AJ, Bush, Mathis, Walters, and then Moss.
Could you imagine, Slants, Screens, Reverses, and Play Actions, With Moss, Bush, and AJ?? Ohh My God, who would you stop? Somebody bound to be open, TE wide-open all day long.. with that being said I haven't even mention, Davis and Mathis... We would Definably draft Bush #1 over all now! 
beerlover
Hall of Fame
jjcorvallis said:
thats exactly what Walters brings to the Texans, I like Hass too but now the Texans have addressed the big possession receiver what they still need is a #2 with explosive speed who compliments Andre on both deep and underneath routes, hence Moss would be perfect not to mention both are Canes
thefuture17
Noob
beerlover said:thats exactly what Walters brings to the Texans, I like Hass too but now the Texans have addressed the big possession receiver what they still need is a #2 with explosive speed who compliments Andre on both deep and underneath routes, hence Moss would be perfect not to mention both are Canes
why not just use mathis then???
Johnny Utah
Rookie
thefuture17 said:
I'm personally not sold on Mathis being a legit #2 WR, and I don't think the Texans are either. Mathis has great straight line speed, but is a lousy route runner and has bad hands. It takes Mathis time to build up his speed, he does't have quick burst speed like a Moss or Bush does. That's why he excels in kick returns because he has time to build up to top speed.
I hope I'm wrong, but I think Mathis's future in the NFL is Corey Bradford.