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Game 1...Monday Night Football...New Orleans Saints!

I'm just not getting this. I can't see how any Texans fan can witness the last Texans drive & not be filled with hope.

Hyde, Duke, Stills, Tunsel... weren't on the team a week ago but all contributed quite a bit in this game.

I expected more from the defense. That last defensive series doesn't make any sense.

We lost the game on a 58 yard field goal. It's not like those things are automatic.

We should be filled with hope.
This team is going to be fine. It's depressing because RAC should now better. You can't play that soft ass defense in that situation. The team played its ass off and then the D goes out soft on the last possession. That's the depressing part.
 
We had CB issues last year and they let 2 corners walk and replaced them with what. It might be worse now and thats saying something with this team.
 
We had CB issues last year and they let 2 corners walk and replaced them with what. It might be worse now and thats saying something with this team.

So if we had issues last year how is retaining the guys that had the issues helping? Also they did replace them, whether those replacements are upgrades remains to be seen but, on paper at least, they were better about guarding against the pass.
 
So if we had issues last year how is retaining the guys that had the issues helping? Also they did replace them, whether those replacements are upgrades remains to be seen but, on paper at least, they were better about guarding against the pass.
How does giving up 8 TDs vs Zero an upgrade?
How does MISSING tackles vs making plays an upgrade?
Roby was one of the reasons the Texans gave up a lot of yards on the ground yesterday.
And Colvin was just a pinata.
 
How does giving up 8 TDs vs Zero an upgrade?
How does MISSING tackles vs making plays an upgrade?
Roby was one of the reasons the Texans gave up a lot of yards on the ground yesterday.
And Colvin was just a pinata.

Has Colvin played one good down as a Texan?
 
How does giving up 8 TDs vs Zero an upgrade?
How does MISSING tackles vs making plays an upgrade?
Roby was one of the reasons the Texans gave up a lot of yards on the ground yesterday.
And Colvin was just a pinata.

Read what I wrote, I never said they were upgrades I said it remains to be seen and it does. On paper though if you look at them side by side in the off season, which is what the Texans did, then they were upgrades because they did better in pass defense last year.
 
Read what I wrote, I never said they were upgrades I said it remains to be seen and it does. On paper though if you look at them side by side in the off season, which is what the Texans did, then they were upgrades because they did better in pass defense last year.
Read what I wrote.
On paper (as well as on the field), Roby gave up 8 TDs and a ton of yards.
On paper, PFF rated him one of the worst CBs last year.
 
Like I said. If dude misses that 58 yard field goal you'd have to say the same things about Sean Payton & I don't believe that about Sean Payton.

That was a good team out there with good coaches on the sideline. Our team & our coach ran with them to the end. This is week 1. We've never looked that good game 1 under Bill O'Brien.


I believe that about sean payton... just look at how the saints have been getting "robbed" year in and year out...
 
The man coverage schemes have been an issue with us going back to Wade Phillips getting his ass kicked by the Pats, but you see after the fact that he can make it work with the right personnel. Romeo is a good coach he just doesn’t have the guys right now for his scheme to be elite. Or not in its current form. I think they’ll find a way to use their current guys to rush better, I’m just not sure about the corners. He’ll adjust; Romeo is a good coach.

They get some guys to up their confidence or improve, these situations will work themselves out. If not, it’s over for us but that’s true for all teams. Brees and Brady require that you give something up, there is no shutting them down in this NFL.
I stand firm on the prediction that the opponents will rip up the Texans both through the air and on the ground this year.
Injuries or not.
And the Texans were fairly lucky last year regarding injuries on defense last year.
They can ill-afford it this year, with little depth.
 
Kinda saying the same thing. I'm anxious to see how they build off this game. You're already seeing it as if they're the same team from that 2-14 team.

We should decimate the Jags next week. Let's see how that goes.
Decimate you said?
Thank you for the good laugh.

:ahhaha::brando::chickendance::bravo:
 
Like I said. If dude misses that 58 yard field goal you'd have to say the same things about Sean Payton & I don't believe that about Sean Payton.

That was a good team out there with good coaches on the sideline. Our team & our coach ran with them to the end. This is week 1. We've never looked that good game 1 under Bill O'Brien.
The Saints shouldn't even need to kick the last FG to win it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.es...teamed-another-officiating-error?platform=amp

The Texans were "in" the game only because of Watson and Hopkins, NOT because of O'Brien same old same old.
 
Just imagine we killed another 10 seconds on our last drive.

Yeah, the boys were too good on that drive, someone needed to waste a play and kill 10 seconds!

Clock management is BS

Just a thought. You just scored a TD to go up on the Saints by 1, 28-27. But you've left Brees with 37 seconds. They have one timeout left. How about instead of kicking it out of the end zone for a touchback, you kick it to the 3-5 yard line and make them return it. This would burn at least 7 seconds or so off the clock. Even if it's returned back to the 30, now they've burned more time off the clock. If the returner fair catches it, well then they've got crappy field position and you make them have to go further.

Like I said, just a thought. Would have burned a few more seconds off the clock. And that could have been the difference between the FG try and a Hail Mary at the end of the game.
 
The Saints shouldn't even need to kick the last FG to win it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27582724/in-win-saints-steamed-another-officiating-error?platform=amp

The Texans were "in" the game only because of Watson and Hopkins, NOT because of O'Brien same old same old.

Of course not

How is living in the what if world this morning.

Brees lead an epic comeback and won on a clutch long FG to end the game in New Orleans on opening night on national TV, when y'all were predicting a blowout.

A great game, they will get much better.
 
Of course not

How is living in the what if world this morning.

Brees lead an epic comeback and won on a clutch long FG to end the game in New Orleans on opening night on national TV, when y'all were predicting a blowout.

A great game, they will get much better.
I know better than to predict anything BIG.
I know enough not to trust Bill O'Brien.
 
https://twitter.com/CharlesRobinson/status/1171251225809100803?s=20

I want to be sure I get the picture accurate. Here is the #Texans’ corner alignment on the play that gave up the yardage which allowed the field goal. Ted Ginn is in the slot. Why the corners aren’t in press with the safeties over the top, I’m not sure.

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This exactly. I'm not a big fan of RAC, but he has no choice but to play these guys 10yds off the LoS, otherwise it's a guaranteed TD against a QB like Brees and weapons like NO has. I'ts not RAC's fault he's been saddled with DBs who likely would not make any other NFL roster.
Let's not Overlook the third quarter where RAC coming out of halftime seemed to be comatose. He gets an F for that 15 minutes and in my opinion cost us the game. If we are going to criticize O'Brien as we should then same should go for the DC.
 
The tide might be beginning to turn in BOB's favor. But he still has to tighten up the clock management/time out stuff. I'm trying to root the guy on and in his 6th year, he calls a time out before challenging the play. It didn't cost us in this game, but little things like that lose games. It's got to get fixed if BOB's ever going to get this team over the hump.
To be fair, the way I saw the situation was O'Brien did not want to use the red flag and possibly lose the time out nothing gained. IIRC one of the TV announcers said something to that effect. I think he used the time out hoping that referees would correct the decision on their own. He then threw the challenge.
 
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I have no problem with people calling out BoB for his bone headed moves last night. My problem though is when the offense wasn't good it was BoB but when the defense wasn't good it was because RAC doesn't have any talent. He lost two freaking guys and with one of them he lost him at the beginning of the off season so has had all off season to scheme around him and likewise Clowney didn't go to a single practice so RAC should have known he might be there and had a backup plan. Yet last year when our offense was Nuk and Watson because everyone else was hurt at the end people kept going on about how BoB should be changing it up to make up for the loss players.

Heard some interesting stats this morning.

QBs that have thrown a TD pass to take the lead in the 4th quarter and lost the game.

Tom Brady: 4 times in 310 starts
Payton Manning: 4 times in 293 starts
Joe Montana: 5 times in 215 starts

Deshaun Watson: 5 times in 25 starts

But yeah keep talking about how great our defense and RAC are.
 
Heard some interesting stats this morning.

QBs that have thrown a TD pass to take the lead in the 4th quarter and lost the game.

Tom Brady: 4 times in 310 starts
Payton Manning: 4 times in 293 starts
Joe Montana: 5 times in 215 starts

Deshaun Watson: 5 times in 25 starts
Now that's a stat.....

And I can think of 3 of the QB's right off the top of my head.
Brady
Wilson
Brees

Damn....
 
I'm just not getting this. I can't see how any Texans fan can witness the last Texans drive & not be filled with hope.

Hyde, Duke, Stills, Tunsel... weren't on the team a week ago but all contributed quite a bit in this game.

I expected more from the defense. That last defensive series doesn't make any sense.

We lost the game on a 58 yard field goal. It's not like those things are automatic.

We should be filled with hope.

Its seems like almost every time we get filled with hope we get fooled. Reminds me of when I was kid hearing " Woulda Coulda Shoulda".
 
Same, here’s what I saw that gave me hope. When it came down to 4th and inches with the score 0-0 I would have sworn they were about to kick a field goal, because that’s what a BoB has always done, but they actually went for and got it. Did he make some stupid calls, yeah in hindsight he did but even his double timeout I remember thinking I would have done the same.

You’re almost at half time and NO is getting the ball back anyway. You call the first TO to stop it and let the eyes in the sky tell you if it’s worth challenging. I was listening to it on the radio and even they couldn’t agree if Texans had it or not. It was that close, hell for all we know if another ref was doing the looking it might have been called. Also if we were playing another team and refs weren’t in fear for their lives about making another call against the Saints it might have been called.
In that case you just throw the red flag.
 
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In that case you just throw the red flag.

I can see your point and in hind sight you are exactly correct. I did hear one talking head this morning say something about just using the time out hoping the refs would review it themselves but that would be wishful thinking. In the end though it wasn't the two timeouts lost that cost us the game.
 
I can see your point and in hind sight you are exactly correct. I did hear one talking head this morning say something about just using the time out hoping the refs would review it themselves but that would be wishful thinking. In the end though it wasn't the two timeouts lost that cost us the game.
I agree but he needs to stop making these types of mistakes.
 
Romeo Romeo wherefore art thou defense Romeo

damn we could've finally beaten a top tier team to send notice. I'm glad the Texans played well. I'm glad it was a very entertaining game. But I don't just watch them to play well or be entertained. I want to watch them win.

Next week we'll likely beat the jags. BFD. Been there done that. Beat the better teams for the love of god!!!!!!!!!!
 
Romeo Romeo wherefore art thou defense Romeo

damn we could've finally beaten a top tier team to send notice. I'm glad the Texans played well. I'm glad it was a very entertaining game. But I don't just watch them to play well or be entertained. I want to watch them win.

Next week we'll likely beat the jags. BFD. Been there done that. Beat the better teams for the love of god!!!!!!!!!!

3 time AFC South Champions, Brian!
 
Some quick thoughts grades:
O'Brien made some errors but overall games especially first half was much better than I and the group I was with expected. He gets a b from me but I'm puzzled at link I got today stating how great OC Kelly did. I thought it was obvious who was calling the plays entire game

Special teams overall looks really good grade C+

DC Crennel had a b grade from me at halftime however 3rd quarter Brought that down to an overall grade F.
New acquisition left tackle tunsil really impressed me. I can recall only two negative plays one led to a QB sack the other he stood looking left and right and Blocked no one. Going to give him a optimistic Grade B.

#22 corner Colvin often looked totally lost. Despite his dead money I think he should be cut today. Let's give Lonnie Johnson some snaps with starters.

Combo RBs get A+! (Blocking not included). I want our backs to get yardage, first Downs, TD's and help control clock. Pass blocking is there but that's what we have fullback for.
Duke 9/57 rush and 4/5 targets for 33 yrs. Hyde 10/83 is crazy good. If these two can maintain anywhere close to that we should have a successful offense.
 
The tide might be beginning to turn in BOB's favor. But he still has to tighten up the clock management/time out stuff. I'm trying to root the guy on and in his 6th year, he calls a time out before challenging the play. It didn't cost us in this game, but little things like that lose games. It's got to get fixed if BOB's ever going to get this team over the hump.

I'm not as angry as everyone else in regards to the challenge. I was happy BOB took a timeout so they had time to check the replay and make sure they wanted to challenge. It looked very close, and in real time, I thought Nuk had the first. 610 explained this morning that the guys in the Texans booth are simply watching the broadcast, they do NOT have access to any additional video (unsure if this is true or not). For some reason, the broadcast didn't do a replay on that play, so the booth didn't have any additional info on the play... therefore they just went ahead and challenged.
 
I want to bring up what TK mentioned earlier. If Lutz had missed that winning field goal and the Texans had won, our feelings would be skewed way to the positive right now - am betting that there would have already been many claims of Superbowl wins in the Texans future.

But in reality, if Lutz makes or misses that kick, the team played the same regardless. So if we would all be amped up over a win, or bummed out over a loss, the team is what they were last night. Win or lose on that last second kick.

Right now, I am leaning toward the positive. Of course, there is this nagging voice in the back of my mind softly saying BOB... BOB...
 
I want to bring up what TK mentioned earlier. If Lutz had missed that winning field goal and the Texans had won, our feelings would be skewed way to the positive right now - am betting that there would have already been many claims of Superbowl wins in the Texans future.

But in reality, if Lutz makes or misses that kick, the team played the same regardless. So if we would all be amped up over a win, or bummed out over a loss, the team is what they were last night. Win or lose on that last second kick.

Right now, I am leaning toward the positive. Of course, there is this nagging voice in the back of my mind softly saying BOB... BOB...
Perhaps some would be focused on just the w and while I would enjoy a W I would be realistic enough to look at the negatives especially the 3rd quarter plan by Crennel.
 
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I'm not as angry as everyone else in regards to the challenge. I was happy BOB took a timeout so they had time to check the replay and make sure they wanted to challenge. It looked very close, and in real time, I thought Nuk had the first. 610 explained this morning that the guys in the Texans booth are simply watching the broadcast, they do NOT have access to any additional video (unsure if this is true or not). For some reason, the broadcast didn't do a replay on that play, so the booth didn't have any additional info on the play... therefore they just went ahead and challenged.
They did a replay right away on the television broadcast but it wasn't at a good angle to see if the spot was correct. So prior to the season, BOB talked w/ his guys in the booth and the plan was that if they're not sure if a play should be challenged, that they should call a timeout to give them time to decide if they should challenge the play? I just don't think that this is a good plan. Go with what your guys see in the booth or what you saw on the field and challenge the call. If you're lucky enough that they show a replay where you can feel better about challenging the play, then take advantage of it. But you can't rely on that -- there's a reason teams rush to get a play off after a bad spot or bad catch call. They don't want the other team to have time to review it before they challenge it. My problem is that I really don't think that the coaching staff has ever sat down and come up w/ a good plan for challenges. That was clearly true when Lechler was getting BOB's attention while he was coaching up his guys to challenge a play a while back. I don't think that this has been improved upon, and I think that the better coaches in the league are absolutely spending a great deal of time on the details like this and how to milk the clock at the end of games w/ 'injuries' and every other little detail that a team can take advantage of to win games. When you've shown a penchant for screwing up details like this, you don't get the benefit of the doubt IMO when something questionable like this comes up again. And no, I'm not BOB hating. It's just an area that I feel is fair criticism of him and it's an area that needs to be improved because it absolutely can affect the outcome of games.
 
They did a replay right away on the television broadcast but it wasn't at a good angle to see if the spot was correct. So prior to the season, BOB talked w/ his guys in the booth and the plan was that if they're not sure if a play should be challenged, that they should call a timeout to give them time to decide if they should challenge the play? I just don't think that this is a good plan. Go with what your guys see in the booth or what you saw on the field and challenge the call. If you're lucky enough that they show a replay where you can feel better about challenging the play, then take advantage of it. But you can't rely on that -- there's a reason teams rush to get a play off after a bad spot or bad catch call. They don't want the other team to have time to review it before they challenge it. My problem is that I really don't think that the coaching staff has ever sat down and come up w/ a good plan for challenges. That was clearly true when Lechler was getting BOB's attention while he was coaching up his guys to challenge a play a while back. I don't think that this has been improved upon, and I think that the better coaches in the league are absolutely spending a great deal of time on the details like this and how to milk the clock at the end of games w/ 'injuries' and every other little detail that a team can take advantage of to win games. When you've shown a penchant for screwing up details like this, you don't get the benefit of the doubt IMO when something questionable like this comes up again. And no, I'm not BOB hating. It's just an area that I feel is fair criticism of him and it's an area that needs to be improved because it absolutely can affect the outcome of games.

I get what you are saying and overall I agree but at the same time I don't think the calling the timeout is in and of itself a bad thing. Its looks bad in hindsight because the call didn't go our way but if it had it would have looked like a good move. On that particular play I listened to the radio and they were arguing about it, I went back and watched one of the broadcasts and they were arguing about it and honestly if it hadn't been the Saints, and the ref call history they have, and the superdome it still might have gone in the Texans favor.

I agree BoB needs to improve on challenges but that's one of those things its hard to improve on. That's no excuse because it is a big part of the HC job. even though he did well last night calling I was hoping he would hire a real OC to take that off his plate and let him focus more on things like challenges but its a power he couldn't and/or wouldn't give up.
 
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