I would have liked to see Dillard here, but much better? He fell to #22, no one envisioned Philly (or anyone) trading up for him at that point
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I would have liked to see Dillard here, but much better? He fell to #22, no one envisioned Philly (or anyone) trading up for him at that point
NO ONE foresaw Philly taking an OL in the first! Man your hate of all things OB is really clouding your mind.
I wanted Dillard amd would've traded into the top 10 for him. If Howard develops into a 10 yr starter at LG or RT then he will have been an excellent pick.
I think Howard will be playing RT at some point this season after Henderson gets hurt or suspended.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Slightly below? Dude fell nearly 10 picks...that's a massive slide my brother.
Then they should have been even more wary of someone trading up
Last time for me. Dillard was much more highly rated than Howard. If we had traded up, it's true .... we would not have anyone to represent us in water polo .... but seriously, spending a 3rd there, would have saved us 2 - 1st and a 2nd. That's not a minor mistake ... it ruins the next two drafts !
The whole Clowney affair was a fiasco. If we are going to keep Bob, (which, of course, I am against), we must get General Manager, an Offensive Coordinator, and a Director of Player of Personnel. Bob has proven that he is not good at those ! Maybe he should be the team to press liaison !
https://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker/prospects
The whole Clowney affair was a fiasco. If we are going to keep Bob, (which, of course, I am against), we must get General Manager, an Offensive Coordinator, and a Director of Player of Personnel. Bob has proven that he is not good at those ! Maybe he should be the team to press liaison !
https://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker/prospects
Before the draft, you thought Dillard would go top 12... I would have traded up also into maybe top 15... but once he fell to 22, he should have been there at 23
In that scenario what is OBriens job?
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Most teams don't wait to do it all 8 days before the season opens though. Has anybody ever made as many significant trades like that between camp ending and week 1?
It's like everyone saw how the Clowney deal went down and couldn't wait to get on the phone with the Texans.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
OR.....These deals were already in the works weeks if not months in advance & finally came to fruition as teams made final cut downs.
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
And DW4 keeps getting killed for 2019. Dillard would not be a stud LT on the getgo. He is just a prospect, just like Howard, maybe better, maybe not, but we paid the ransom to protect DW4 now. We likely want to extend him next summer, and we don't need him thinking we don't care about him, his health and his career. All this build through the draft is fine, but we had failed to get this done in time so are paying a price. My .02
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
I totally get what you suspect could have been. But just because drafting Dillard may have saved us those picks that were traded doesn't mean that the confidence of the staff would have been the same as it is now with Tunsil. I have zero faith in Devlin/OB developing ANY o-line prospect. That scares me about Howard/Sharping. Hell I even chose Dillard in a draft simulator but it I think it would have been the same feelings as with the 2 we actually did draft. I think Tunsil will be fine as long as they leave him alone at LT.
I don't understand how someone can say this in hindsight. I understand you are saying that's how good a prospect you think he is.
But Dillard falling to 22 shows how wrong the "experts" assessed team needs vs perceived available talent.
I could understand someone saying, "I'd have traded up to the low teens." Or even "as soon as he fell out of the top 10."
But into the top 10? That's a little much.
It’s amazing how a team can win 11 games in spite of its HC/OC. Those 11 wins are on Watson’s magic, Crennel’s D and pure ******* luck.
(fingers crossed)
No argument from me. BO'bs a dumass & Cal's a bobble head.
But I'm happy with the 53 we have going into this season.
I’m not sure Watson processes the information fast enough at the NFL level. NFL “ open” is barely a cousin to NCAAF “open”. IMHO, Watson holds the ball a split second too long checking if his 1st read is really covered or is coming open.
Texansballer74
The Marine
He has falling in love with the big splashy plays. And the coach welcomes that mindset.
Both have to learn it's ok to check it down sometimes. Instead the drive verses one play.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
I think he processes the field well enough. I think he looks for splash plays because if worse comes to worse he's always had a fall back - he can run like hell. He's had a lot of success running and only as a pro has he started to learn the abuse he'll take for holding it.
I think he shows a lack of understanding or vision at the LOS. The protection was bad, but a lot of that, I think a lot of that was on the guy calling the play. Free rushers, combobulated looking OL, RB on his left when he should be on his right.
I honestly believe BO'b put way too much on his plate. The whole offense. Not just protection, but routes too. Looks like he has the whole offense at his command.
But he's a smart guy. Hopefully he'll have mastered enough of it to be dangerous from the pocket.
I think a lot of his holding the ball too long came from our horrible OL play last year. We were often in max protect, which means 2-3 receivers running routes. Add to that, Fuller and Coutee missed a ton of games and Griffin had season long concussion issues. Last year we relied on back ups and young inexperienced guys playing substantial minutes. I’m hopeful with the new editions to the OL, we start seeing pass plays with 4-5 guys running routes and we’ll see Watson spreading the ball around quickly
Not to worry. Carl Smith was brought in to show Watson how to be more like Russell Wilson.
If that transformation happens, I will consider Smith's hire to be the best move of all the off-season moves.
Exactly
Apparently any booger eater can win 11 games with a crappy OL and a QB coming off of an ACL. Plus you figure in playing with a collapsed lung.
Looks like Tunsil/Howard/Matin/Fulton/Henderson
Not what I would do, but I can understand wanting to put the veterans in in the 1st game in the Superdome.
Whether the transformation happens or not, BOB has given Watson the best tutor he could possibly get. Now it's on Watson to improve.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
See that's the thing though he wasn't rated much more highly
Dillard
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/andre-dillard?id=32194449-4c18-6167-8a82-fd2a79031894
Howard
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/tytus-howard?id=3219484f-5743-2152-432d-da3c484cb3f8
There is literally a .37 difference in their ratings. Dillard would have been a horrible pick for the Texans I don't care what his talent level is. He has to be taught basic tackle fundamentals and Devlin can't do that. Dillard would have come here and gotten mauled and been a bust because Devlin couldn't coach players on how to win a game of red rosy. In the mean time Watson would have also gooten killed and all those draft picks Dillard saved us would be spent on looking for another QB. Howard may have a lower ceiling but he has a higher floor, he doesn't need to be taught the basics he just has to adjust to NFL level play.
What is so hard to understand about not just looking at how a guy is on paper but also looking at the situation he is going into.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
How long before Howard replaces Henderson at RT? Hopefully soon.
Tunsil/Sharping/Martin/Fulton/Howard
Tunsil/Sharping/Martin/Fulton/Howard
My guess is Roderick replaces Seantrel and Kelemente replaces Howard. I have no confidence in Seantrel and the rookies
How did that happen. I'm sure it had nothing to do with O'Briens oline carousel
While I listen to the experts I have my own rankings and Dillard was my #1 OT this yr and was worthy of a top 10 pick. I also had Jonah Williams in the top 10. When Dillard fell out of the top 10 I would've traded up for him, even if it meant trading Clowney, which could've been done and future picks.
Time will tell if I'm correct on Dillard, so far he's everything I thought he would be.
Lack of talent on the OL due to yrs of neglect is how this happened. Lack of draft picks 2 yrs ago and failure to trade up this past draft is how it happened. Before these last 2 drafts dysfunction between RS/BOB is what lead to the neglect.
Rick had already been gone two seasons. He's now gone for 3
And O'Brien is still playing oline carousel. Who is starting anyway?
Lack of talent on the OL due to yrs of neglect is how this happened. Lack of draft picks 2 yrs ago and failure to trade up this past draft is how it happened. Before these last 2 drafts dysfunction between RS/BOB is what lead to the neglect.
Good thing is there was no dysfunction and a clear vision of what BOB wanted. (Protect Watson at all costs, which I agree with) The trade for Tunsil and drafting Howard/Scharping should give you a clear view of BOB's vision if you can take off your hate blinders for a moment.
It's OK to disagree with BOB's vision but finally we can say with certainty that the Texans org has a clear vision of what types of players they want to carry out BOB's vision. Frankly this has been long over due.
And the 1st yr they didn't have the picks in the draft due to RS trade for Watson and RS incompetence in the Os deal.
Yr 2 they drafted Howard/Scharping and traded for Tunsil, again what more did you expect them to do?
Why dont you have confidence in the rookies?
Draft Dillard and sign nsekhe
I don't have confidence in any rookie
That's on you then, rookies contribute to teams every yr.
Even a rookie starting his 1st game should be an upgrade over what we saw last year. By game 6 I expect a lot of improvement.
That's on you then, rookies contribute to teams every yr.
Even a rookie starting his 1st game should be an upgrade over what we saw last year. By game 6 I expect alot of improvement
They traded for Tunsil and drafted Howard/Scharping. Different visions but close to the same.
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Doubtful, rookies struggle.
Not close to the same in terms of cost. Little chance we can get Tunsil more help on the OL so it will still suck