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jaayteetx

jaayteetx

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We are NOT going to draft Vince Young, please, just get used to the idea. It makes absolutley no sense at all, since we picked up the option on Carr. From what I understand, we can't trade Carr since we would take a huge cap hit. There goes that theory for drafting Vince. Draft Vince and have the #1 draft pick holding a clipboard for two to three years, backing Carr up? Do you really think a brand new head coach, not just to this team, but to the league wants to have to wait that long to reap benefits from that pick? I for one, sure don't. Drafting Bush, or trading down, now that is reality brothers and sisters. This being said, I sure hope VY gets drafted by an NFC team.
 
jerek

jerek

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While I empathize, you are repeating a old thought in a new thread in the wrong forum. As well, this seems late ... the Vince-mania has more or less died down, at least until the UT pro day (two more days of peace.)

I'm with you. And I note with a laugh that you have the word "teet" in your name. Hahahaha.
 
thunderkyss

thunderkyss

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:stirpot:

jaayteetx said:
It makes absolutley no sense at all, since we picked up the option on Carr. From what I understand, we can't trade Carr since we would take a huge cap hit. There goes that theory for drafting Vince.
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Didn't we just take a hit with Walker?? Weren't some folks seriously wanting to take a hit for trading DD??

I've been dreaming for the past 4 years, why should I stop now?? REality isn't getting it done for me.
 
jerek

jerek

Pro Hobbyist
thunderkyss said:
:stirpot:




Didn't we just take a hit with Walker?? Weren't some folks seriously wanting to take a hit for trading DD??

I've been dreaming for the past 4 years, why should I stop now?? REality isn't getting it done for me.
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Just FYI, I believe DC's cap hit is over double what Walker's was and DD's would be.

Either way, if by some ridiculous long shot we do draft Vince, I think the FO would keep Carr here for a year while Vince was prepped. No way he would start right off the bat.
 
powerfuldragon

powerfuldragon

Enchilada Aficionado.
jerek said:
No, for real, what does your name mean? If Teet is your last name forgive me for being juvenile.
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i agree with your statement that teet is a hillarious last name, however i think his name stands for J (jay) T (tee) Texas (TX)

why do people even respond to threads like this.
 
Maddict5

Maddict5

Hall of Fame
jerek said:
While I empathize, you are repeating a old thought in a new thread in the wrong forum. As well, this seems late ... the Vince-mania has more or less died down
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exactly after the rose bowl it was about 50/50 between VY and Bush/Trade..now most people know its reggie and have accepted it. even the remainder of the VY fans accept its a very long shot now and are basically just hoping against hope and have stopped making 'VY is a god' threads:yahoo:
 
kbourda

kbourda

Veteran
jaayteetx said:
We are NOT going to draft Vince Young, please, just get used to the idea. It makes absolutley no sense at all, since we picked up the option on Carr. From what I understand, we can't trade Carr since we would take a huge cap hit. There goes that theory for drafting Vince. Draft Vince and have the #1 draft pick holding a clipboard for two to three years, backing Carr up? Do you really think a brand new head coach, not just to this team, but to the league wants to have to wait that long to reap benefits from that pick? I for one, sure don't. Drafting Bush, or trading down, now that is reality brothers and sisters. This being said, I sure hope VY gets drafted by an NFC team.
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Now what makes you think this is going to stop people from having hope? If I had a dollar for negative thing said about VY (i.e. posting articles from so and so writer discrediting VY, charging for autographs, Wonderlich, etc.) i'd be a rich man. If it bothers you, ignore it. I ignore all of this blatant disrespect of this man's game. It's as if some people on this board (and you know who i'm talking about) are getting paid to do so. So really all of this stuff is just tired. Yes, I mean all of it. Do I want the Texans to draft Young? You bet I do. Do I think it's going to happen? No. But I can hold out hope. And lastly, would VY be the first #1 pick at QB to sit and learn? And how certain are you that his "learning curve" is two to three years? He could come in and set the league on fire. Nobody knows that. Sure VY could bust (which i'm sure most on this board are looking forward to), but what if he doesn't?
 
AustinJB

AustinJB

Rookie
kbourda said:
Now what makes you think this is going to stop people from having hope? If I had a dollar for negative thing said about VY (i.e. posting articles from so and so writer discrediting VY, charging for autographs, Wonderlich, etc.) i'd be a rich man. If it bothers you, ignore it. I ignore all of this blatant disrespect of this man's game. It's as if some people on this board (and you know who i'm talking about) are getting paid to do so. So really all of this stuff is just tired. Yes, I mean all of it. Do I want the Texans to draft Young? You bet I do. Do I think it's going to happen? No. But I can hold out hope. And lastly, would VY be the first #1 pick at QB to sit and learn? And how certain are you that his "learning curve" is two to three years? He could come in and set the league on fire. Nobody knows that. Sure VY could bust (which i'm sure most on this board are looking forward to), but what if he doesn't?
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Well said. I'm right there with you.

I have refrained from posting anything pro-VY in a while b/c it has gotten tiresome to argue back and forth...and it seems highly unlikely that we'll draft him at this point. But I am still holding out hope....and I still think we'll be looking for a QB in two or three years anyway.:twocents:
 
jaayteetx

jaayteetx

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kbourda said:
Now what makes you think this is going to stop people from having hope? If I had a dollar for negative thing said about VY (i.e. posting articles from so and so writer discrediting VY, charging for autographs, Wonderlich, etc.) i'd be a rich man. If it bothers you, ignore it. I ignore all of this blatant disrespect of this man's game. It's as if some people on this board (and you know who i'm talking about) are getting paid to do so. So really all of this stuff is just tired. Yes, I mean all of it. Do I want the Texans to draft Young? You bet I do. Do I think it's going to happen? No. But I can hold out hope. And lastly, would VY be the first #1 pick at QB to sit and learn? And how certain are you that his "learning curve" is two to three years? He could come in and set the league on fire. Nobody knows that. Sure VY could bust (which i'm sure most on this board are looking forward to), but what if he doesn't?
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I'm not saying one negative thing about the man, I'm just saying we're not going to draft him. Doesn't make any sense, not with what the organzation did with Carr's contract. As far as coming in and setting the league on fire, how many rookie QBs have done that? I can think of one, maybe two. Marino and maybe Rothlisberger. Although I think the latter just did a really good job of not losing the game his rookie year. Odds are against it, thats for sure. Too much for those guys to digest first couple of years.
 
MONARCH

MONARCH

Noob
jaayteetx said:
We are NOT going to draft Vince Young, please, just get used to the idea. It makes absolutley no sense at all, since we picked up the option on Carr. From what I understand, we can't trade Carr since we would take a huge cap hit. There goes that theory for drafting Vince. Draft Vince and have the #1 draft pick holding a clipboard for two to three years, backing Carr up? Do you really think a brand new head coach, not just to this team, but to the league wants to have to wait that long to reap benefits from that pick? I for one, sure don't. Drafting Bush, or trading down, now that is reality brothers and sisters. This being said, I sure hope VY gets drafted by an NFC team.
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Greetings pal.....

...from the way that I view it, us fans have been holding clip boards for four long years as well......only to end up with a 2-14 national disaster........it makes me wonder just what were you holding?

You sound as though the VY absolutely has no right to be considered for the first pick honor overall......for I mean VINCE YOUNG, just so happens to be the player responsible for UT winning what is arguably one of the greatest gridiron victories ever.......as well as winning the MVP TROPHY to boot!

STOP TRYING TO CONVINCE YOURSELF OTHERWISE AT OUR EXPENSE! You have your picks......and we have ours......AND SO SHALL THE TEXANS! COME HOME VINCE!
MONARCH
 
jaayteetx

jaayteetx

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MONARCH said:
Greetings pal.....

...from the way that I view it, us fans have been holding clip boards for four long years as well......only to end up with a 2-14 national disaster........it makes me wonder just what were you holding?

You sound as though the VY absolutely has no right to be considered for the first pick honor overall......for I mean VINCE YOUNG, just so happens to be the player responsible for UT winning what is arguably one of the greatest gridiron victories ever.......as well as winning the MVP TROPHY to boot!

STOP TRYING TO CONVINCE YOURSELF OTHERWISE AT OUR EXPENSE! You have your picks......and we have ours......AND SO SHALL THE TEXANS! COME HOME VINCE!
MONARCH
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I'm not exactly following your analogy, but I guess I was holding airline tickets, game tickets and hotel receipts from going to games home and away for the Texans the last four years. You see, I live out of state and can't just jump in my car and head out to Reliant to see the game every Sunday. Now I haven't been to every game, but I've been to enough to feel like I have more than just a passing interest in this team. Like I said before, I don't have anything bad to say about the man. Heck, I've loved his game for the last three years while he played for UT. He's just not going to be drafted by us, thats all. Not going to happen, never, ever. Makes no sense from the moves this team has made.
 
uhcougar08

uhcougar08

SHSUKATS08
kbourda said:
Sure VY could bust (which i'm sure most on this board are looking forward to), but what if he doesn't?
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Actually, he is not a good QB, just a fast RB who throws the ball sometimes. So, we need not worry bout this kid becoming good, it just will not happen. As a receiver, I think he could be really good. This is my un-biased hypothesis. As for Reggie McNeal too.
 
uhcougar08

uhcougar08

SHSUKATS08
MONARCH said:
Greetings pal.....

...from the way that I view it, us fans have been holding clip boards for four long years as well......only to end up with a 2-14 national disaster........it makes me wonder just what were you holding?

You sound as though the VY absolutely has no right to be considered for the first pick honor overall......for I mean VINCE YOUNG, just so happens to be the player responsible for UT winning what is arguably one of the greatest gridiron victories ever.......as well as winning the MVP TROPHY to boot!

STOP TRYING TO CONVINCE YOURSELF OTHERWISE AT OUR EXPENSE! You have your picks......and we have ours......AND SO SHALL THE TEXANS! COME HOME VINCE!
MONARCH
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No.........you are the only one with that pick. The rest of the world knows that he need not be picked over Reggie Bush. The Texans even know that. Keep dreaming buddy......because that is all that it is......a dream.
 
Huge

Huge

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jaayteetx said:
I'm not exactly following your analogy, but I guess I was holding airline tickets, game tickets and hotel receipts from going to games home and away for the Texans the last four years. You see, I live out of state and can't just jump in my car and head out to Reliant to see the game every Sunday. Now I haven't been to every game, but I've been to enough to feel like I have more than just a passing interest in this team. Like I said before, I don't have anything bad to say about the man. Heck, I've loved his game for the last three years while he played for UT. He's just not going to be drafted by us, thats all. Not going to happen, never, ever. Makes no sense from the moves this team has made.
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I'm following with what you're saying. But that doesn't mean those that want the team to draft Vince should stop wanting the team to draft Vince. And if they still want that to happen, they have the right to discuss it. Those that don't want the team to draft Vince (or simply don't believe it will happen), have the right to not click on the threads that are discussing that topic.

Seriously, if you know for a fact that the Texans aren't drafting Young, what do you care if a bunch of people that want the Texans to draft Young are talking about it?
 
jaayteetx

jaayteetx

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Huge said:
I'm following with what you're saying. But that doesn't mean those that want the team to draft Vince should stop wanting the team to draft Vince. And if they still want that to happen, they have the right to discuss it. Those that don't want the team to draft Vince (or simply don't believe it will happen), have the right to not click on the threads that are discussing that topic.

Seriously, if you know for a fact that the Texans aren't drafting Young, what do you care if a bunch of people that want the Texans to draft Young are talking about it?
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I guess I don't, point taken.
 
HJam72

HJam72

Hall of Fame
kbourda said:
Now what makes you think this is going to stop people from having hope? If I had a dollar for negative thing said about VY (i.e. posting articles from so and so writer discrediting VY, charging for autographs, Wonderlich, etc.) i'd be a rich man. If it bothers you, ignore it. I ignore all of this blatant disrespect of this man's game. It's as if some people on this board (and you know who i'm talking about) are getting paid to do so. So really all of this stuff is just tired. Yes, I mean all of it. Do I want the Texans to draft Young? You bet I do. Do I think it's going to happen? No. But I can hold out hope. And lastly, would VY be the first #1 pick at QB to sit and learn? And how certain are you that his "learning curve" is two to three years? He could come in and set the league on fire. Nobody knows that. Sure VY could bust (which i'm sure most on this board are looking forward to), but what if he doesn't?
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Dang, I could've been getting paid for it? :brickwall
 
Kaiser Toro

Kaiser Toro

Native Mod
It is a crime to love VY, but a crime to hate Carr. Makes perfect sense as they both have accomplished nothing in the NFL. :rolleyes:
 
thunderkyss

thunderkyss

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jerek said:
Just FYI, I believe DC's cap hit is over double what Walker's was and DD's would be.

Either way, if by some ridiculous long shot we do draft Vince, I think the FO would keep Carr here for a year while Vince was prepped. No way he would start right off the bat.
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Have you looked it up yet?? I believe they both count about $7million to the cap in 2006.

Personally I want Carr to stay and Start 2006 also, get his trade value up.....

Sure, he might not start right away...... I've said before, I don't expect any Rookie QB to start right away...... just not my style........ no one expected Rothlesberger, Brady, Delhomme, Steve Young, Mark Brunnel, Michael Vick, Steve McNair.......... you get the point.
 
chuckm

chuckm

Veteran
After tomorrow things will be as they once were .... Young will perform his script, John McClain will say "He blew everyone away", and life will be good again .... :rolleyes:
 
Blake

Blake

MMQB
jaayteetx said:
From what I understand, we can't trade Carr since we would take a huge cap hit. There goes that theory for drafting Vince. Draft Vince and have the #1 draft pick holding a clipboard for two to three years, backing Carr up?
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I dont think one, or maybe 2 at the most is alot to ask young to watch before taking the regins. Trade Carr after year 1 or 2, while he is still under contract, and then put young in.

jaayteetx said:
Do you really think a brand new head coach, not just to this team, but to the league wants to have to wait that long to reap benefits from that pick?
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Actually I think you have this backwards. I see alot of coaches that want "there guy" not a QB from a former coach, or a older QB. A young pile of clay, that they can teach from the ground up.

Culpepper just got traded, and part of it was that he was an established QB, from a previous coach, who wasnt going to mold, like he wanted. I woulnt put it past them to package up, and get one of the big 3.

rookie coach Nolan took Smith last year #1.
The Saints got a new QB in Brees to go with new coach Payton.
The Lions new HC might be getting a new round 1 QB.
And the same goes for the Raiders.

Some new coaches like new QB's. And some dont. But to say that the new coaches wont wait a year or 2 to "reap the benefits" is a little off base.
 
K

kingh99

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VY is going to get some coaches fired before he makes his mark. Coaches know this and that's why he's going to slide a long way in this draft.
 
Lucky

Lucky

Ride, Captain, Ride!
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THE NFL DRAFT said:
The Saints got a new QB in Brees to go with new coach Payton.
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How is Carr less "new" to Kubiak than Brees is to Payton?
 
Blake

Blake

MMQB
Lucky said:
How is Carr less "new" to Kubiak than Brees is to Payton?
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Think about it. Players always talk about a "change of scenery" as giving them a fresh start. And there is no fresher start for a player than a new city with a new coach.

Yes, Kubiak is new, but Carr is still in the same franchise, and will have all his Capers and Co teachings.
 
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