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Mangler said:
It’s not like Dallas would be crazy enough to let him walk anyway. Besides, who knows what call thinks about this whole “holier than thou” player character vision Bob McNair had for his team. Cal is sure proving to be different than his old man.
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I think we know how Janice feels.

Other than firing Gaine, probably due to the race lawsuit, how has Cal proven to be any different than his father? Did you see the Texans fa this off-season? Looks the same as it did with his father to me.
 
steelbtexan said:
I think we know how Janice feels.

Other than firing Gaine, probably due to the race lawsuit, how has Cal proven to be any different than his father? Did you see the Texans fa this off-season? Looks the same as it did with his father to me.
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To be fair the F/A this offseason only shows us how Gaine would do, it tells nothing about Cal or any part of the Texan F/O going forward.
 
maverick512000 said:
Dallas is also looking that there are several top draftee QBs coming down the line. In many ways trying to keep Dak could actually hurt them long term if it causes them to miss out. Dak is Romo 2.0, good enough to make you hope but never good enough to get you over that hump.
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A few of my buddies who big time Cowboys fans believe they will pay Dak a big time contract.
 
sandman said:
Huh. I would put money on BB the Head Coach/General Manager setting the tone for the Patriots organization. You really think Kraft is giving BB the what-for on how things are going to be run?
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Yes, I think Kraft sets the tone. He gives BB the resources he needs to succeed. I think Brady went to Kraft and told him he would play X number of yrs and he wanted Jimmy G gone and poof Jimmy G was gone. I believe BB wanted to keep Jimmy G.
 
steelbtexan said:
I think we know how Janice feels.

Other than firing Gaine, probably due to the race lawsuit, how has Cal proven to be any different than his father? Did you see the Texans fa this off-season? Looks the same as it did with his father to me.
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Then you clearly haven't been paying attention.

Cal hasn't even had his chance to put his stamp on this team yet.. **** doesn't happen over night. Dude put his father in the freaking ground last season, this is his first real season running the show as the head honcho.

Oh and the racist lawsuit didn't have crap to do with the firing.. that didn't come out until after the fact. I love how you draw your own narratives to support your arguments. Jesus Christ.
 
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Carr Bombed said:
Then you clearly haven't been paying attention.

Cal hasn't even had his chance to put his stamp on this team yet.. **** doesn't happen over night. Dude put his father in the freaking ground last season, this is his first real season running the show as the head honcho.

Oh and the racist lawsuit didn't have crap to do with the firing.. that didn't come out until after the fact. I love how you draw your own narratives to support your arguments. Jesus Christ.
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Gotta move on as quickly as possible from a family member dying.

Makes sense since his dad was seen as a racist. He didn't want any part of that under his watch. I dont know why Gaine was fired, maybe you do. But I'm pretty sure it wasn't player personnel related. It's really not like the McNair's to pay off 3 or 4 yrs on a GM's contract. Unless things have really changed. (Which is highly unlikely.) Something definitely went wrong though.
 
steelbtexan said:
Gotta move on as quickly as possible from a family member dying.

Makes sense since his dad was seen as a racist. He didn't want any part of that under his watch. I dont know why Gaine was fired, maybe you do. But I'm pretty sure it wasn't player personnel related. It's really not like the McNair's to pay off 3 or 4 yrs on a GM's contract. Unless things have really changed. (Which is highly unlikely.) Something definitely went wrong though.
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I don't care what his dad was seen like, the guy wasn't racist.. at least I never saw any evidence of it and my brother in law's late father drove trucks for this man for years when people didn't even know who the hell Bob McNair was, He always spoke of his decency.. towards EVERYONE.

Now you're going to take the complete opposite view of what you hate on in the NSZ, just because it fits your narrative in this forum? That's exactly what I'm talking about.

I'm sure Cal McNair knows exactly who his father was and wouldn't let imbeciles opinions of him be the reason why he fired Gaine. That was a straight football decision. Whether I agree with the firing or not, I know that it was a football decision.
 
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Carr Bombed said:
I don't care what his dad was seen like, the guy wasn't racist.. at least I never saw any evidence of it and my brother in law's late father drove trucks for this man for years when people didn't even know who the hell Bob McNair was, He always spoke of his decency.. to EVERYONE.

Now you're going to take the complete opposite view of what you hate on in the NSZ just because it fits your narrative in this forum? That's exactly what I'm talking about.
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If you check out my previous posts you will find that I never thought McNair was a racist and backed him up in Kaep thread.
 
steelbtexan said:
Gotta move on as quickly as possible from a family member dying.

Makes sense since his dad was seen as a racist. He didn't want any part of that under his watch. I dont know why Gaine was fired, maybe you do. But I'm pretty sure it wasn't player personnel related. It's really not like the McNair's to pay off 3 or 4 yrs on a GM's contract. Unless things have really changed. (Which is highly unlikely.) Something definitely went wrong though.
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OK then atleast give Cal and/or his mother the benefit of the doubt and admit he/they might be willing to be more aggressive about expending McNair family assets in the interests of improving the team.
 
IDEXAN said:
OK then atleast give Cal and/or his mother the benefit of the doubt and admit he/they might be willing to be more aggressive about expending McNair family assets in the interests of improving the team.
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They haven't earned the benefit of the doubt.
 
JB said:
Why not?
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Because of the orgs track record for one.

Also you dont give the son a pass because he's been there from the beginning and was part of his fathers decision making team.

Why do you think they deserve the benefit of the doubt? One things for sure, nothing has changed about the way they go about acquiring personnel.
 
steelbtexan said:
Because of the orgs track record for one.

Also you dont give the son a pass because he's been there from the beginning and was part of his fathers decision making team.

Why do you think they deserve the benefit of the doubt? One things for sure, nothing has changed about the way they go about acquiring personnel.
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Never said I believed they deserved anything. I simply asked why you believed they did not. As far as holding the son accountable for the father, that's a small-minded view. Basically one year is not enough for anyone to judge... the firing of Gaine alone might show that as you were so fond of saying, "things are changing on Kirby"; or perhaps not
 
steelbtexan said:
Because of the orgs track record for one.

Also you dont give the son a pass because he's been there from the beginning and was part of his fathers decision making team.

Why do you think they deserve the benefit of the doubt? One things for sure, nothing has changed about the way they go about acquiring personnel.
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This is what is confusing me so much. You keep going on and on about how Cal is just like his father and nothing has changed and blah, blah, blah. Completely disregarding that he just fired Gaine. Now it could be that Gaine was fired for non-football reason but the breakdown that I believe it was Sandman who did it from an HR point of view is making me question that. Either way it does show that things have changed in the Texans Org. but this always comes back to they didn't get the guys you thought they should.

Frankly there wasn't anyone in the F/A that I felt they really missed out on. That's my opinion and its no more correct or incorrect than yours at this time. We will see this time next year who was right.
 
JB said:
Never said I believed they deserved anything. I simply asked why you believed they did not. As far as holding the son accountable for the father, that's a small-minded view. Basically one year is not enough for anyone to judge... the firing of Gaine alone might show that as you were so fond of saying, "things are changing on Kirby"; or perhaps not
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He was right by his daddy's side from the beginning.

The Gaine firing (due to timing) tells me this had nothing to do with football. The firing was nothing more than business decision. IMHO
 
maverick512000 said:
This is what is confusing me so much. You keep going on and on about how Cal is just like his father and nothing has changed and blah, blah, blah. Completely disregarding that he just fired Gaine. Now it could be that Gaine was fired for non-football reason but the breakdown that I believe it was Sandman who did it from an HR point of view is making me question that. Either way it does show that things have changed in the Texans Org. but this always comes back to they didn't get the guys you thought they should.

Frankly there wasn't anyone in the F/A that I felt they really missed out on. That's my opinion and its no more correct or incorrect than yours at this time. We will see this time next year who was right.
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Agree to disagree and this has thing to do with getting my guys, it has to do with an org philosophy that isn't conducive to building a contender.

We will see, lets look at the Texans record and how guys like Brown/Hunt/Dillard etc end up performing.
 
JB said:
Why not?
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Cal has been in the corporate decision-making process since Daddy's original illness(if not before). If Cal was in the room and did or said nothing to influence the direction of the Texans it speaks loudly to me at least.
 
steelbtexan said:
He was right by his daddy's side from the beginning.

The Gaine firing (due to timing) tells me this had nothing to do with football. The firing was nothing more than business decision. IMHO
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You're the one that kept spouting the 'things are changing on Kirby' theme... now you insist same-o same-o? At least you're consistent
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Cal has been in the corporate decision-making process since Daddy's original illness(if not before). If Cal was in the room and did or said nothing to influence the direction of the Texans it speaks loudly to me at least.
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Surely he had an input. How much, none of us knows, but surely not final say
 
infantrycak said:
Thing is we don't know that he said nothing. He may have advocated all sorts of stuff and was overruled.
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Bingo, all we know right now is that Cal has been in the job but how much say he had or how much he argued we don't know. The old man wasn't going to fire his son and heir no matter how much they may have disagree and Cal wasn't going to leave when he knew he would someday be calling the shots. This kind of stuff is very common in family owned businesses the Texans are just a bigger business than most. We do also know though that Cal seems quicker to fire than his father whatever the reason may be. You really can't judge how the Texans will evaluate and acquire talent moving forward at this point as they don't even have a GM right now.
 
cuppacoffee said:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...xans-rbs-coach-donta-foreman-lightyears-ahead

I'll have to see it to believe that he has recovered from the injury.

Hope he has because we are thin at RB.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...mprove-as-pass-catcher?icampaign=trendingNews

Possibly the only way to get Miller some running lane away from the crowd.

:coffee:
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No reason to feel negative about Foreman's recovery. He's had more than enough time since the injury/surgery; and in fact, had recovered sufficiently to play late last season. American sports medical care is the best in the world.

Now, if you have doubt about how sucessful his recovery will be; whether he's 90%,or whatever, pre-injury, you have a point. But he's medically recovered as much as he ever will be.

There's also the question of how much he's recovered his fitness. Reports are he's in better shape than his rookie season, having reduced his playing weight. This is a wait and see for us who haven't seen him in practice.

But of primary concern is how well recovery from his type of injury will hold up. How durable will he be and how likely is a reinjury?
 
Number19 said:
No reason to feel negative about Foreman's recovery. He's had more than enough time since the injury/surgery; and in fact, had recovered sufficiently to play late last season. American sports medical care is the best in the world.

Now, if you have doubt about how sucessful his recovery will be; whether he's 90%,or whatever, pre-injury, you have a point. But he's medically recovered as much as he ever will be.

There's also the question of how much he's recovered his fitness. Reports are he's in better shape than his rookie season, having reduced his playing weight. This is a wait and see for us who haven't seen him in practice.

But of primary concern is how well recovery from his type of injury will hold up. How durable will he be and how likely is a reinjury?
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I'm also concerned about how long it will take him to shake the rust off. Even if you are in full playing shape there is a big difference between working out and practice and actually being on the field taking hits. Only time will tell but I'm more in the trust but verify stage when it comes to Foreman.
 
maverick512000 said:
Bingo, all we know right now is that Cal has been in the job but how much say he had or how much he argued we don't know. The old man wasn't going to fire his son and heir no matter how much they may have disagree and Cal wasn't going to leave when he knew he would someday be calling the shots. This kind of stuff is very common in family owned businesses the Texans are just a bigger business than most. We do also know though that Cal seems quicker to fire than his father whatever the reason may be. You really can't judge how the Texans will evaluate and acquire talent moving forward at this point as they don't even have a GM right now.
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The Texans have told us that they use a corporate decision model from its beginnings. Anyone in the room is equally responsible for the state of the Texans. Not giving a pass to an highly educated 55 year old man because he works for Papa, there should be signs of influence versus waiting for Daddy to die and then I will be my own man. Until he truly shows different (firing Gaine was negative for me) I would think that he is no different.
 
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steelbtexan said:
He was right by his daddy's side from the beginning.

The Gaine firing (due to timing) tells me this had nothing to do with football. The firing was nothing more than business decision. IMHO
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Business decision like what unrelated to football?

If it truly wasn't related to football, like some form of misconduct, they wouldn't be paying him.
 
I doubt Foreman will be back to his average play or better nonetheless but even still... I HATE "PLAYMAKERS" at the RB position!

Their either always one of two things... HURT or they FUMBLE... or BOTH!!

I could understand us having foreman while we fix up the Oline but i'd expect him to be gone after next season...j/s

Playmakers help sell Tickets and having a RB from UT will DEFINETLY inspire some extra homecrowd ticket purchases
not to mention our draft stock but having a fumbling playmaker at RB will put more pressure on our defense

a defense that right about now looks like it's NOT going to have Jadeveon Clowney and has a rookie CB so...

We may be picking top 10 next draft boys!

BTW... Could Clowney pull a duane Brown and play in the middle of the season?
 
infantrycak said:
Business decision like what unrelated to football?

If it truly wasn't related to football, like some form of misconduct, they wouldn't be paying him.
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Depends on if they think they can prove it.

The Texans org has always been about optics. Ever heard the term Not Texans Worthy?
 
steelbtexan said:
Why do you think they deserve the benefit of the doubt?
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Because the decision to abruptly dismiss BG and eat his contract while an outstanding obligation on another contract still remained on the books for BGs predecessor, Rick Smith, and that was very unlike the kind of decision under the circumstances the late founder would have made. In other words I don't see Bob McNair making that same
financial decision his son did under those circumstances.
 
IDEXAN said:
Because the decision to abruptly dismiss BG and eat his contract while an outstanding obligation on another contract still remained on the books for BGs predecessor, Rick Smith, and that was very unlike the kind of decision under the circumstances the late founder would have made. In other words I don't see Bob McNair making that same
financial decision his son did under those circumstances.
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You could if you think he was fired for non football reasons.

In fact non football reasons makes more sense than hoping things have changed if your being honest with yourself.
 
maverick512000 said:
Bingo, all we know right now is that Cal has been in the job but how much say he had or how much he argued we don't know. The old man wasn't going to fire his son and heir no matter how much they may have disagree and Cal wasn't going to leave when he knew he would someday be calling the shots. This kind of stuff is very common in family owned businesses the Texans are just a bigger business than most. We do also know though that Cal seems quicker to fire than his father whatever the reason may be. You really can't judge how the Texans will evaluate and acquire talent moving forward at this point as they don't even have a GM right now.
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True and you just proved why the Texans have been and currently are a clusterfvck. Good job
 
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