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I always liked Hilliard. Him and Amani Toomer were a pretty good duo for the Giants for a few years. I wouldn't mind if we got him, but he's getting up there in age. He'll turn 30 this year and his production hasn't been that great the last 3 or 4 years. I would much rather have Burleson. He's younger and has more potential. A tandem of Burleson and AJ would be much more lethal than a duo of AJ/Ike.
 
Texans | Team to visit with Cowart this week
Sat, 18 Mar 2006 23:29:59 -0800

Megan Manfull, of the Houston Chronicle, reports the Houston Texans will visit with free agent LB Sam Cowart (Vikings) sometime this week.

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Texans | Team to visit with Hilliard this week
Sat, 18 Mar 2006 23:29:32 -0800

Megan Manfull, of the Houston Chronicle, reports the Houston Texans will visit with free agent WR Ike Hilliard (Buccaneers) sometime this week.
 
Cowart is getting up there in age, as is Hilliard. Hilliard hasn't been very effective for a few years.
 
After we get Cowart and Hilliard, we should target LB - MO LEWIS and WR - HERMAN MOORE !!!!


Cuz you just know they WERE good.......LIKE 5 or 7 years ago.


NOW, lets throw in some stupid big money......and then all we have to do is chalk up the next 5 years for a PIECE of $*#! team.


This is disgusting!


:brickwall
 
How about reserve the hand wringing for when and if someone's signed? Unless it brings pleasure, then by all means continue ....
 
Texans34Life said:
Megan Manfull, of the Houston Chronicle, reports the Houston Texans will visit with free agent WR Ike Hilliard (Buccaneers) sometime this week.
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bet growing up was a *****
 
If they were signing Ike Hilliard to be their NO. 1 WR it would be one thing, but they are just looking at him to fill another number. Sure, I would rather have Nate Burleson, but at least they are covering their rears if they don't get Nate. Ike is better than Bradford.
 
chuckm said:
How about reserve the hand wringing for when and if someone's signed? Unless it brings pleasure, then by all means continue ....
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How about reserving your censure pleas on other posters takes on a situation? It would bring pleasure to me if I knew where you stood on this issue rather than where you stood on me putting my neck out to say something and spark debate. We are both men behind the curtain in the virtual world armed with reporters and search engines to talk about. If I over stepped an unwritten rule in the world of the message board please let me know. Otherwise I will just chalk it up to someone whose wife has recently changed the coffee brand at their house. :)
 
Ike Hilliard stinks right now, and I hope the Texans don't get him.

Cowart can still play and will be a decent addition at a position where we need depth.
 
I am pretty excited about Cowart. Sure, he is no youngster. I believe he is around 31, so age is a slight issue, but it's not as if he is 37. This was a guy picked in the 2nd rd, and has been to a pro-bowl in 2000, and is a serious upgrade at MLB for us imo. I hope we can get him.

As to Ike, less enthused....but, the real question is do you want Ike, and whatever player you can get at the first spot in round three, or Burleson. If it's just those two players straight up, it's no contest. But, when considering that Nate costs us our third, and Ike doesn't, things even out a bit more. I think I would lean toward Nate regardless, but when put in those terms it's not a slam dunk to me.

I'm just glad that we are bringing in guys, at least it shows we are trying to upgrade this team. Keep it up guys! :yahoo:
 
Right. Cowart's not a great player any more, but he's serviceable, and would fill a clear need. He is probably the best free agent middle line-backer on the market (which is a week one at that position) and as far as I'm aware there are no very highly regarded MLB prospects in the draft. In any case, our D could use some extra experience. Drafting Thurman or Tatupu a year ago instead of trading for Buchanon might have been better, but what's done is done, and right now he looks like the best option out there. If the price was reasonable, I'd like to see him sign.

Hilliard, on the other hand, sucks. I'm not sure he'd be an upgrade over Bradford; I'm quite sure he wouldn't be an upgrade over Armstrong.
 
Hulk75 said:
Ike is old, i dont know. I like Sam Cowart, (Ibelieve he made the ProBowl a couple times), that would put Wong......Cowart.....Greenwood, not bad.
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I would think that is a pretty good LB corps. Cowart is 31 but he still has a few years left in him. I would be happy to get him.
 
As someone who watched most Tampa games last year, I can assure y'all that Hilliard still has a lot left in the tank. He was a very reliable third receiver and actually moved up to second for a good part of the season with Clayton injured. He didn't wow with numbers - remember, the Bucs are a power running team with Cadillac Williams - but he was steady and reliable and developed a reputation for making difficult catches. He's most certainly an upgrade over Bradford, if for no other reason than he has reliable hands.

Numbers aren't the whole story on players. Ask any Tampa fan, and they'll tell you the same thing... Hilliard can still play.
 
Ok, I agree that Hilliard can still play, but not a solid fit for this team. He has lost a step and is not much better than a slot guy. With Mathis, Armstrong, possibly Bush, and Walter on the team dont you think we have enough slot type guys. Cowart on the other hand is a waste of time. Terry Pierce and possibly rocky McIntosh or Leon williams could take care of the MLB position till Wong recovers.
 
Don't get me wrong, I am a Texan fan thru and thru.......but.

There are moments during the offseason when I stare at this screen and read our FA signings and I have to ask myself..............why am I a Texan fan?

Why did we just throw 13 million at a DE who in four years has 14.5 sacks? This looks to me like another Greenwood signing.

6.4 million with a 2 million signing bonus for a receiver who caught 19 passes and one touchdown! Is he supposed to be better than Gaffney?

I think we are worse in FA than we are in the draft.

So far we have aquired:

Smith
Wade
Rivers
Greenwood
Pbuc
Norris
Zack
The Tackle we got from the Pats for one year, cant remember his name
Riley
Wong
Bruener

This year isnt shaping up to be any better. There are only two on this list that are even half way decent, Smith and Zack. I am not impressed with Wong, sorry, his 4 to 5 sacks a year are just not that impressive to me.

In the mean time we let Sharper, Glenne, Foley, Posey, and Gaffney hit the streets.

Why does Casserly still have a job!?

Thats just how I feel about it.
 
Mr Shush said:
as far as I'm aware there are no very highly regarded MLB prospects in the draft.
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Not so. This is thought to be an excellent year for LBs,including MLBs. And the
Draft is also deep at this position, so good backers are expected to be available into the middle rounds.
 
For the right price, I would like Cowart here. Granted he's not the 140 tackle guy of a few years ago, but 85 for a so so Viking defense last year isn't bad. While he may have slowed down some, he has the needed instinct to play MLB. And hopefully he can pass some knowledge on to younger guys.
 
Cowart is an 8 year veteran and the man can play. I'll take an old guy who can play over a young guy who can't any day. If he's better than what we have right now then I say bring him in and talk to him.
 
Hervoyel said:
Cowart is an 8 year veteran and the man can play. I'll take an old guy who can play over a young guy who can't any day. If he's better than what we have right now then I say bring him in and talk to him.
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Our MLB should be a leader and I think Cowart would be a great fit.
 
Cowart may have enough in the tank to give a rookie MLB time to develop.

I'd still rather have Burleson over Hilliard, whether or not it cost one of our third round picks. I guess I'll give them the benefit of the doubt (for now) for having a backup plan.
 
RB5 said:
Cowart may have enough in the tank to give a rookie MLB time to develop.

I'd still rather have Burleson over Hilliard, whether or not it cost one of our third round picks. I guess I'll give them the benefit of the doubt (for now) for having a backup plan.
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I think Cowart would be a great teacher for a rookie developing.
 
Cowart is one reason the Jets drafted Vilma two years ago. He has a history of knee/leg injuries which is a concern but if he can stay healthy and help hold down the fort for a year, it's better than anything we have on the roster right now. This is a classic 'don't be stupid and overpay again' situation, i.e., anything other than an incentive driven one year deal. But when you have basically no healthy MLBs on the roster, your're kind of stuck. Hodge or DQ would nice in deep steel blue.
 
Well, I don't watch enough college ball to have any strong opinions of my own on the subject, but Scout.com has Abdul Hodge graded as a mid-second, D'Qwell Jackson as a low second and Gerris Wilkinson as a low third. Nothing else on day one. Last year, Barrett Ruud went to the Bucs at 37, Odell Thurman to the Bengals at 48, and Channing Crowder to the Dolphins at 70. All three had previously been touted in some quarters as potential late firsts, which in hindsight Thurman probably should have been. Kirk Morrison went to the Raiders at 78, Alfred Fincher to the Saints at 82. The Seahawks drafted college ILBs in the second and third rounds - Lofa Tatupu at 45 and Leroy Hill at 98 (supplemental pick), although Hill of course plays outside in the NFL.

So, last year three ILBs went in the second, and three or four in the third (depending on whether you count Hill). Two of those players were defensive rookie of the year candidates who should be the heart of their teams' defenses for years to come. Obviously last year was a weaker class in general than this one, which may have inflated their grades somewhat in comparison, and obviously Scout is not an infallible guide. Nevertheless, I would be most surprised to see seven college ILBs taken on day one of the 2006 draft, so I stand by my comment that, in comparison, it's not seen as a strong class at the position. OLB, yes, but not on the inside.
 
I like how we are at least attempting to get people at our weak positions. We then won't be forced to grab anyone in the draft for needs but rather because they are the BPA.
 
I just heard on 610 that the Texans signed Putzier and Cowart. I posted this a few minutes ago but someone deleted it...... Has anyone else heard this or did I mishear??
 
God I hope your right. It would be a good step in the right direction. Glad they are the only two out of the ones that visited because I didn't want to waste our money on Hilliard.
 
says on profootballtalk.com that Hilliard has re-signed with Tampa Bay ...

HILLIARD RE-UPS WITH BUCS



A league source tells us that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have re-signed receiver Ike Hilliard to a four-year deal deal a day after the veteran receiver completed a free-agency visit with the Houston Texans. The contract is four years in length.



Hilliard was drafted by the Giants in 1997, and he parted ways with the organization a year ago, inking a one-year deal with the Bucs.



The Florida product caught 35 passes for 282 yards and one touchdown in 2005.
 
chuckm said:
says on profootballtalk.com that Hilliard has re-signed with Tampa Bay ...

HILLIARD RE-UPS WITH BUCS



A league source tells us that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have re-signed receiver Ike Hilliard to a four-year deal deal a day after the veteran receiver completed a free-agency visit with the Houston Texans. The contract is four years in length.



Hilliard was drafted by the Giants in 1997, and he parted ways with the organization a year ago, inking a one-year deal with the Bucs.



The Florida product caught 35 passes for 282 yards and one touchdown in 2005.
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Oh no! :sarcasm:
 
Wild.Bill said:
I just heard on 610 that the Texans signed Putzier and Cowart. I posted this a few minutes ago but someone deleted it...... Has anyone else heard this or did I mishear??
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Confirmed?
 
I don't want to be the pessimist and generally am pretty optimistic about all the changes this offseason BUT...

I am not ready to drink the Walter/Mathis battle for no.2 WR Kool-aid yet.

Does anyone know Kyle Shanahan's record in developing WR's and teaching them what to do and what not to do? Does he have a success with a particular set of WR's that really helped them out?

If he was in TB, what happened this last year to the development of Michael Clayton? After seeing how free agency is going for WR's, coaching our WRs position is going to be that much more critical to the passing game's success. AJ needs to step up and mentor/lead the WR group and I am not sure he is ready to do that.
 
Texans | Team made an offer to Hilliard
Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:57:57 -0800

ESPN.com's John Clayton reports the Houston Texans made a contract offer to WR Ike Hilliard, before he re-signed with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The offer was reportedly higher than the deal he accepted from the Buccaneers.
 
Originally Posted by Wild.Bill
I just heard on 610 that the Texans signed Putzier and Cowart. I posted this a few minutes ago but someone deleted it...... Has anyone else heard this or did I mishear??
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Any update?
 
At mike linebacker i am really anxious to see how Terry Pierce does. I remember in college, he was an animal. When he went to Denver he was stuck behind Al Wilson, who we all know has some skills. Plus as someone said earlier, i think Cowert is a little long in the tooth. Especially for a linebacker.
 
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