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Will Bradley Roby have a comeback season?

76Texan said:
We don't know for sure that RAC didn't want to pay. He has little say with the money.

Even if he does, the point remains that at least two HCs share the philosophy that the safety position is important and are willing to put the money where the mouth is.

BB made Devin McCourty the highest paid DBs on his team in 2015 as a safety.
He played Malcolm Butler and Logan Ryan at CBs.
Even though Butler had some great years, statswise, BB let them go.

Vic Fangio came to the Broncos and didn't bring back Roby.
He brought in KJax instead.
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BB also benched Butler in the SB for not being a good team mate. The Texans didn't even make an offer to KJAX, that's how badly they wanted him gone. If RAC had wanted him, surely the Texans would've at least made an offer.
 
DocBar said:
BB also benched Butler in the SB for not being a good team mate. The Texans didn't even make an offer to KJAX, that's how badly they wanted him gone. If RAC had wanted him, surely the Texans would've at least made an offer.
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Doc, stick to the script.

Any good defensive personnel decisions are attributed to RAC because OB doesn't know what the F*** he is doing but at least he listens to RAC.

Any bad defensive personnel decisions are attributed to OB because he doesn't know what the F*** he is doing and refuses to listen to RAC.
 
DocBar said:
BB also benched Butler in the SB for not being a good team mate. The Texans didn't even make an offer to KJAX, that's how badly they wanted him gone. If RAC had wanted him, surely the Texans would've at least made an offer.
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Last year, the Texans were the 4th highest spender on the defensive side of the ball.
I think any GM would have to consider each of the moves carefully.
The Texans still have the Clowney's situation to resolve.
Mercilus will be in his contract year.
So is JJo. (Currently the Texans have him basically "on the cheap", but will he have enough left in the tank next year?)

KJax would need a long-term contract north of $10M; they probably had figured on $11M or so.
They also had to write off KJo.

So they tried to offer Mathieu $9M first. Maybe they were thinking that if Mathieu accept that offer, they would have enough in the budget to make a decision on the next piece.
But Mathieu took the Chiefs deal, I think on the same day the Broncos signed KJax.

So the Texans quickly went to Roby (as a short-term fix) and Gipson.

Who knows.
All this might have played a part in Gaine's firing.
 
As to Roby, Mike Klis reported that he spoke to him (or his agent) and learned that the Steelers had offered Roby a three-year deal.
https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.c...al-with-steelers-to-sign-with-texans-nfl-news

But Roby took a one-year proved it deal with the Texans for 10M.

I think we can safely assume that the Steelers didn't offer good money.
And the Texans didn't think of him highly enough to offer a long-term contract.
 
76Texan said:
Agree, I mostly look at point allowed and turnovers created.

As for the Texans at the beginning, the talents just weren't there on either side of the football.
They started by picking a few good defensive players, but went pretty much all offense in the draft for the first two years.
They tried to build both sides of the ball at the same time, and it didn't work.
Two wrongs couldn't make one right.
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What do you mean the talent wasn't there. Dude we won most of our games on talent alone because OC Bill O'Brien is not good at his job. People really needs to stop using that false narrative to drive home their point.
 
Texansballer74 said:
What do you mean the talent wasn't there. Dude we won most of our games on talent alone because OC Bill O'Brien is not good at his job. People really needs to stop using that false narrative to drive home their point.
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He is talking about the beginning of the franchise when Fangio was DC with Capers as HC. He's right apart from Gary Walker and Aaron Glenn maybe? Fangio had nothing to work with.
 
76Texan said:
We don't know for sure that RAC didn't want to pay. He has little say with the money.

Even if he does, the point remains that at least two HCs share the philosophy that the safety position is important and are willing to put the money where the mouth is.

BB made Devin McCourty the highest paid DBs on his team in 2015 as a safety.
He played Malcolm Butler and Logan Ryan at CBs.
Even though Butler had some great years, statswise, BB let them go.

Vic Fangio came to the Broncos and didn't bring back Roby.
He brought in KJax instead.
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BB also benched Butler in the SB for not being a good team mate. The Texans didn't even make an offer to KJAX, that's how badly they wanted him gone. If RAC had wanted him, surely the Texans would've at least made an offer.
76Texan said:
Last year, the Texans were the 4th highest spender on the defensive side of the ball.
I think any GM would have to consider each of the moves carefully.
The Texans still have the Clowney's situation to resolve.
Mercilus will be in his contract year.
So is JJo. (Currently the Texans have him basically "on the cheap", but will he have enough left in the tank next year?)

KJax would need a long-term contract north of $10M; they probably had figured on $11M or so.
They also had to write off KJo.

So they tried to offer Mathieu $9M first. Maybe they were thinking that if Mathieu accept that offer, they would have enough in the budget to make a decision on the next piece.
But Mathieu took the Chiefs deal, I think on the same day the Broncos signed KJax.

So the Texans quickly went to Roby (as a short-term fix) and Gipson.

Who knows.
All this might have played a part in Gaine's firing.
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I've heard it said that losing Mathieu was a factor in Gaine getting fired, as well as not landing Solder or Norwell, whom OB is said to have coveted. In KJax situation, there was no attempt, at all, to retain him.
I think JJO has signed his last contract with the Texans unless he wants to coach. He's pretty long in the tooth.
I also think they have the Clowney situation decided: franchise tag two years then let him walk.
 
DocBar said:
BB also benched Butler in the SB for not being a good team mate. The Texans didn't even make an offer to KJAX, that's how badly they wanted him gone. If RAC had wanted him, surely the Texans would've at least made an offer.
I've heard it said that losing Mathieu was a factor in Gaine getting fired, as well as not landing Solder or Norwell, whom OB is said to have coveted. In KJax situation, there was no attempt, at all, to retain him.
I think JJO has signed his last contract with the Texans unless he wants to coach. He's pretty long in the tooth.
I also think they have the Clowney situation decided: franchise tag two years then let him walk.
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I don’t know about Mathieu.
3 year for $42M.

You think OB and RAC wanted Gaine to counter offer that?

Or they wanted Gaine to offer more than $9M to start with?
 
76Texan said:
I don’t know about Mathieu.
3 year for $42M.

You think OB and RAC wanted Gaine to counter offer that?

Or they wanted Gaine to offer more than $9M to start with?
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Its interesting to note that Houston offered Mathieu 9.5M annual per year coming off a decent "prove it year" but did not step up to the grown up table to counter the KC offer and that had more people up in arms than the KJAX non offer and yet Mathieu statistically had a very average year. It was all based on the "leadership" and toughness argument, because of all the talk about how KJAX 'gets burned' and was a flag machine I can think of many plays where Tyrann **** the bed in the backfield and gave up huge gains and TDs. More people were upset at not signing Tyrann "One and Done" Mathieu than KJAX who was drafted and groomed by the team.

KC was desperate and paid for a guy who at least had tape that showed he was trending up, HOU got desperate and signed a CB for 10Ms who looks like he doesnt even belong in the league, but yeah he's going to have a bounce back year because he's fast, and he was good 3 years ago.
 
76Texan said:
If Fangio doesn't have much say with money, what make you think RC does?
And so, if that's the rationalization, then RC didn't make the decision not to bring back KJax.

Fangio can makes a ton of mistakes, but there's no doubt about his philosphy: "He doesn't mind paying a safety good money".

And what about BB and all the decisions he made regarding the secondary as I had stated in one of the above posts?
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You said RAC has nothing to do with the money. My point is RAC weighs in on personnel just as much as Fangio. So if you're going to say it was a good idea to sign Kjax & release Roby because Fangio did, I say it was a good decision to release Kjax & sign Roby because RAC did.

In truth I don't like the reasoning. But it's your reasoning.

I'll pay McCourty & any other starting safety all day any day. I don't believe Kjax should be a starting safety, even though he probably will in Denver.

I'll pay starting CBs all day, any day. I don't think Kjax should be a starting CB anymore, unless you count the nickle as a starter, but I don't think we should pay nickle corners $10M+/yr.

Denver got rid of their coaching staff recently, after a short run. I'm hedging that was part of Roby's problem. On a one year deal it sounds like the Texans feel the same way.

We're looking for better CBs to play outside. Better than Kjax. I dont know if Roby is that guy. But I am sure Kjax isn't.
 
Uncle Rico said:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-top-25-cornerbacks-in-the-nfl-in-2018
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I've seen that & dont really know what to say. I'm wrong. But I dont think so.

Honestly, next to 76Texans I was the main guy banging the KJax is not a bust drum for the first two years he was here. Third year I was probably ont hat bandwagon.

But I was on board when they didn't offer him as much as the Jets the first time he entered FA. When he took less money to stay, I thought we offered too much (it probably wasn't the Jets).

It's time to move on. Imo
 
Uncle Rico said:
Its interesting to note that Houston offered Mathieu 9.5M annual per year coming off a decent "prove it year" but did not step up to the grown up table to counter the KC offer and that had more people up in arms than the KJAX non offer and yet Mathieu statistically had a very average year.
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I'm glad Mathieu didn't take the Texans money. I'm glad the Texans didn't outbid KC. HB was aiight... but just aiight.
 
Uncle Rico said:
HOU got desperate and signed a CB for 10Ms who looks like he doesnt even belong in the league, but yeah he's going to have a bounce back year because he's fast, and he was good 3 years ago.
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You make it sound like the Texans expect Roby to be an All-Pro. They don't. They don't know how he's going to perform. Otherwise they'd have paid him $10M/yr, for 6 years which they didn't.

You overpay in FA, period. We're overpaying him for one year, not four. I liked the deal. I like the deal. I hope he proves to be worth $20M/yr.
 
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76Texan said:
I don’t know about Mathieu.
3 year for $42M.

You think OB and RAC wanted Gaine to counter offer that?

Or they wanted Gaine to offer more than $9M to start with?
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I think a counteroffer would've been wanted. I think (opinion only) that HB was a great locker room addition and that they liked what they saw on the field.
 
thunderkyss said:
I've seen that & dont really know what to say. I'm wrong. But I dont think so.

Honestly, next to 76Texans I was the main guy banging the KJax is not a bust drum for the first two years he was here. Third year I was probably ont hat bandwagon.

But I was on board when they didn't offer him as much as the Jets the first time he entered FA. When he took less money to stay, I thought we offered too much (it probably wasn't the Jets).

It's time to move on. Imo
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If they were intent on letting KJAX walk then a much better use of the money would have been to try and attain Ronald Darby when available instead of panicking and overpaying Roby in a "gotta get someone quick" mentality. They did a poor job assessing the CB market and then we are supposed to believe that this guy at the price tag is supposed to be an upgrade or even a stopgap? Im good at moving on, I just dont garner alot of respect for the club when they cut fan favorites in favor or noticeably worse players at about the same price point.

I hope Roby looks better than he did last year, and considering the way RAC protects his CBs I wouldnt be surprised for him to have a decent year and then go chase more money elsewhere, and we will be back to looking for chemistry and tenure.

If the front 7 can get after it most of the guys on the backend will look good.
 
thunderkyss said:
You make it sound like the Texans expect Roby to be an All-Pro. They don't. They don't know how he's going to perform. Otherwise they'd have paid him $10M/yr, which they didn't.

You overpay in FA, period. We're overpaying him for one year, not four. I liked the deal. I like the deal. I hope he proves to be worth $20M/yr.
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In terms of AAV Roby was the second highest paid CB in free agency next to .... you guessed it KJAX. At that price point I AM expecting some semblance of equal play compared to KJAX.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/cornerback/
 
Uncle Rico said:
In terms of AAV Roby was the second highest paid CB in free agency next to .... you guessed it KJAX. At that price point I AM expecting some semblance of equal play compared to KJAX.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/cornerback/
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& I've been saying since we signed him, Roby replaces Kjohn... he won't be our nickle CB. That will be Colvin & LonnieJ

All he has to do is dress on game day & he'll be an improvement over Kjohn
 
thunderkyss said:
You said RAC has nothing to do with the money. My point is RAC weighs in on personnel just as much as Fangio. So if you're going to say it was a good idea to sign Kjax & release Roby because Fangio did, I say it was a good decision to release Kjax & sign Roby because RAC did.

In truth I don't like the reasoning. But it's your reasoning.

I'll pay McCourty & any other starting safety all day any day. I don't believe Kjax should be a starting safety, even though he probably will in Denver.

I'll pay starting CBs all day, any day. I don't think Kjax should be a starting CB anymore, unless you count the nickle as a starter, but I don't think we should pay nickle corners $10M+/yr.

Denver got rid of their coaching staff recently, after a short run. I'm hedging that was part of Roby's problem. On a one year deal it sounds like the Texans feel the same way.

We're looking for better CBs to play outside. Better than Kjax. I dont know if Roby is that guy. But I am sure Kjax isn't.
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Let’s move on.
JB already warned that we’re exceeding the limit of taking the thread away from the topic. :ahhaha:
 
Uncle Rico said:
If they were intent on letting KJAX walk then a much better use of the money would have been to try and attain Ronald Darby when available instead of panicking and overpaying Roby in a "gotta get someone quick" mentality. They did a poor job assessing the CB market and then we are supposed to believe that this guy at the price tag is supposed to be an upgrade or even a stopgap? Im good at moving on, I just dont garner alot of respect for the club when they cut fan favorites in favor or noticeably worse players at about the same price point.

I hope Roby looks better than he did last year, and considering the way RAC protects his CBs I wouldnt be surprised for him to have a decent year and then go chase more money elsewhere, and we will be back to looking for chemistry and tenure.

If the front 7 can get after it most of the guys on the backend will look good.
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We can only hope that the front 4 (or 3) can get after it.

The list of good QBs they will face is pretty long.
Or they could/should see some OCs that go with a quick/short game plan to try to neutralize our forte.
Like what the Raiders did against the Broncos when Carr completed pass after pass.
That would be painful to watch.
 
76Texan said:
One player that could have been villified was Kevin Johnson for where he was drafted, but somehow people were very lenient on him as compared with KJax.
KJo was never thrown into the fire like KJax was.
And he had had a better pass rush to support him as well.
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Probably because the guy couldn't even run down the field without concussing himself by jumping in the air and face diving into the turf.. it was just sad to watch.
 
Roby should be an Aaron Glenn on steroids and in all likelihood never will be Glenn without.

He is what he is, above average if you exclude pro bowlers & all pros. Otherwise known as serviceable.

OB is FAR too into physical attributes. Listen to him talk, "Khalil has all the measurables." Yeah if you ignore injuries, play ... you know measuables that count.

There are techniques & knowledge to this game, dedication to learn the opposition, wisdom to talk to the refs...

OB gets none of this. Aaron used to talk to the refs before each game about what they would call. He taught AJ to do the same - he'd get a nod from the ref before every play, "you're good." AJ taught it to Hopkins. He knows he can extend an arm to 40 degrees because he got clearance.

OB is a living room coach. "If I have the ideal guys these O's are gonna kick ass."

Well buddy "the system" isn't about the top 3. It's not about Brady, Gronk, Hopkins. It's about the other guys and scheming Thomas open, Miller into an ooen space pitch, Watson into a bootleg so he can throw to a wide open who the fark is that Tyron whatever WR.
 
infantrycak said:
Roby should be an Aaron Glenn on steroids and in all likelihood never will be Glenn without. OB is FAR too into spreadsheets.

He is what he is, above average if you exclude pro bowlers & all pros. Otherwise known as serviceable.
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Just stop ty hilton from looking hof and be solid in the playoffs.
 
infantrycak said:
Roby should be an Aaron Glenn on steroids and in all likelihood never will be Glenn without.

He is what he is, above average if you exclude pro bowlers & all pros. Otherwise known as serviceable.

OB is FAR too into physical attributes. Listen to him talk, "Khalil has all the measurables." Yeah if you ignore injuries, play ... you know measuables that count.

There are techniques & knowledge to this game, dedication to learn the opposition, wisdom to talk to the refs...

OB gets none of this. Aaron used to talk to the refs before each game about what they would call. He taught AJ to do the same - he'd get a nod from the ref before every play, "you're good." AJ taught it to Hopkins. He knows he can extend an arm to 40 degrees because he got clearance.

OB is a living room coach. "If I have the ideal guys these O's are gonna kick ass."
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Source?
 
Your source is purely observation?

Your post has been edited a dozen times since quoted.
 
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infantrycak said:
For what?

If you're asking about the players passing technique along to other players, talking to the refs, etc., the source is 2002-2014 personal observations from front row seats behind the Texans' bench.
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So its opinion.
 
infantrycak said:
For what?

If you're asking about the players passing technique along to other players, talking to the refs, etc., the source is 2002-2014 personal observations from front row seats behind the Texans' bench.
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If your source is based off what you observed in stadium seats it's just observation at best.
 
powda said:
Your source is purely observation?
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Lol, says the cop.

Your post has been edited a dozen times since quoted.
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Not close and only for typos.

powda said:
So its opinion.
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If you want to be obtuse, sure.

Give you a specific example. AJ, Glenn & Dunta. Glenn demonstrates to AJ how he can impede without drawing a flag by having his hand pointed in, forearm cocked out across the receiver, sliding down. Then shows AJ to cut underneath that move with a shoulder twist to hit the DB with his inside shoulder. Then turns to Dunta, flips sides and shows Dunta that he has to come off the forearm block to a hand on the hip so he knows whether the receiver is about to cut. Saw Glenn talk to refs with similar gestures.

But hey, chuck it out as opinion. IDGAF.
 
infantrycak said:
Lol, says the cop.



Not close and only for typos.



If you want to be obtuse, sure.

Give you a specific example. AJ, Glenn & Dunta. Glenn demonstrates to AJ how he can impede without drawing a flag by having his hand pointed in, forearm cocked out across the receiver, sliding down. Then shows AJ to cut underneath that move with a shoulder twist to hit the DB with his inside shoulder. Then turns to Dunta, flips sides and shows Dunta that he has to come off the forearm block to a hand on the hip so he knows whether the receiver is about to cut. Saw Glenn talk to refs with similar gestures.

But hey, chuck it out as opinion. IDGAF.
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Speaking of obtuse...

Offer a source. Personal attacks are just frosting and in character for you (should I mention your snake oil employment as well?) I dont care about your stadium seat observations. If you have an article to serve up I'd love to read it. Genuinely.

You reference dunta and glen 15 years back. Wtf has that to do with today?
 
infantrycak said:
Put down the Jack Daniels and walk away.

We can have this discussion after noon tomorrow.
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Nothing to discuss. I innocently asked for a source. You mentioned stadium seat observations and went off the deep end. You take **** far to personal to be a moderator. And your quick to attack personally when questioned on anything.

Pretty juvenile.

Have you considered a succession plan where someone takes over for you?
 
I bow to your excellence. You're presentation of nothing has conclusively proved players never talk to one another or to referees. I'm ashamed my eyes did not witness the blockage from your TV screen. And I bow to your extensive courtroom experience.

I am unclear on one thing, OTHER THAN BEING ARGUMENTATIVE WHAT WAS YOUR POINT?

NVM if an LEO wants to disavow eyewitnesses as sources we have bigger problems than the Jack.

Curiosity begs, what percentage of your tickets/arrests rely on eyewitnesses?

Walk away. This isn't good for you.
 
infantrycak said:
I bow to your excellence. You're presentation of nothing has conclusively proved players never talk to one another or to referees. I'm ashamed my eyes did not witness the blockage from your TV screen. And I bow to your extensive courtroom experience.

I am unclear on one thing, OTHER THAN BEING ARGUMENTATIVE WHAT WAS YOUR POINT?

NVM if an LEO wants to disavow eyewitnesses as sources we have bigger problems than the Jack.
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You called me obtuse?
 
Delete this post if you like - I dont care. At best your a well rounded, insightful, and sharp individual. Morally I agree with most of your decisions as a moderator here. You let most speak freely no matter the topic matter and that's cool.

Once your involved however your a toddler on a temper tantrum. Your ego is amazing. It's a regular trojan horse and I never have to go far to find it. You'd fight till your bones are nubs before admitting your wrong on any one thing. I asked you for a source. Nothing more.

Maybe you're not cut out for being a moderator? You can't moderate yourself.
 
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