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Will Bradley Roby have a comeback season?

Comeback season? Did he ever even arrive? Not trying to be funny, but even people from Denver wondered what the hell the Texans saw in him. They called him burnt toast, lol.
 
Comeback season? Did he ever even arrive? Not trying to be funny, but even people from Denver wondered what the hell the Texans saw in him. They called him burnt toast, lol.

& then they turned around & signed kareem jackson.....a guy who never really lived up to his draft status, is 6-7 years older than Roby & has been on full display in various playoff games getting cooked outside the hash.
 
& then they turned around & signed kareem jackson.....a guy who never really lived up to his draft status, is 6-7 years older than Roby & has been on full display in various playoff games getting cooked outside the hash.
I think you're biased.
I've been rewatching the condensed playoffs games.
Balls are going to be caught with guys like Smith, Brady, and Luck at QB, especially with good protection.

The TD in the KC game was the mistake of the safety, vacating his spot in the middle.
KJax did deflect a pass that Cushing intercepted.
He did not give up any big play or damaging play of any consequence in any of the playoffs games.
 
For 10 Million he better be a borderline pro bowler. (should have kept KJax) Thanks Brian Gaine.
 
When KJax resigned with the Texans last time for big money, playing for a different DC than Wade, it means that the new coaching staff had confidence in him.
This time, he finished with a good year and was snatched off the free agent market quickly, by a coach with a "PRETTY GOOD" defensive mind - which landed him the HC job with the Broncos.
They say MONEY TALK, and that's exactly what it was.
 
When KJax resigned with the Texans last time for big money, playing for a different DC than Wade, it means that the new coaching staff had confidence in him.
This time, he finished with a good year and was snatched off the free agent market quickly, by a coach with a "PRETTY GOOD" defensive mind - which landed him the HC job with the Broncos.
They say MONEY TALK, and that's exactly what it was.

Sure, but it wasnt like the Texans gave him an offer. They let him walk after the best year of his career for what 2Ms more per year? Banking on a guy (Roby) who looked like absolute trash last year compared to Kjax.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...jackson-feels-a-little-disrespected-by-texans

"They didn't even approach me with an offer or any type of deal," Jackson said. "Obviously, they didn't want me back or whatever the case may be. I'm not really sure. My agent was never approached by anybody from the Texans organization, so I wasn't offered a deal of any sort. I kind of feel a little disrespected to be honest about it. At the end of the day, no hard feelings. I had a great nine years here. This will always be home for me. I definitely appreciate all the memories and all the opportunities. I appreciate the fans and everything I was able to build here. I'll always have love for Houston."
 
& then they turned around & signed kareem jackson.....a guy who never really lived up to his draft status, is 6-7 years older than Roby & has been on full display in various playoff games getting cooked outside the hash.

He is talking about fans, not management. Fans have nothing to do with what management does after the fact. It doesn't change anything about Roby if that were true.
 
They still could've given him a contract offer.

Question: why didn't they know the price tag was going to be high for Badger?
To be honest, I have no idea.
But if I have to guess, they probably thought their offer to Mathieu was good enough (I kinda thought so, too).
 
Mathieu was the guy I can afford to live without. No allegiance to him he was just a mercenary and got his money - good for him. KJax being the hometown guy should have gotten a new contract here and retired a Texan he was worth the money .. Roby is not. I wonder if the team is EVER going to treat its own players well in the twilight of their career. How soon before JJ becomes just a guy and people want him shipped off?
 
He is talking about fans, not management. Fans have nothing to do with what management does after the fact. It doesn't change anything about Roby if that were true.

Fans, management the statement can just as easily apply to both. I liked K-jax when he was here, but lets be real, if he's better than Roby, it ain't by much & that is probably only due to his experience. 1 guy is younger and still has room to grow, the other had a career year................... in year 10...& that was only b/c he played part of it at a position he should've been playing from the get go that utilized his strengths as a good cb in run support. When he had to slide back down to cb, he looked just ok & certainly not worth the money he got from Denver.

I think you're biased.
I've been rewatching the condensed playoffs games.
Balls are going to be caught with guys like Smith, Brady, and Luck at QB, especially with good protection.

The TD in the KC game was the mistake of the safety, vacating his spot in the middle.
KJax did deflect a pass that Cushing intercepted.
He did not give up any big play or damaging play of any consequence in any of the playoffs games.

I think you're being biased too....but I've also got news for you bud. good qb's play in all divisions & the reality is he left a division where he only had to play 1 twice a season to go to a division where he has to play 2 of the very best 4 times a year. As for your other stuff..rationalize the TD in the KC game all you want..but Dontrelle Inman ate pretty good against K-jax in this last playoff game & If memory serves, K-jax got beat so badly on 1 play, he had to commit PI to stop him from catching the ball which almost assuredly would've went for a TD.
 
Mathieu was the guy I can afford to live without. No allegiance to him he was just a mercenary and got his money - good for him. KJax being the hometown guy should have gotten a new contract here and retired a Texan he was worth the money .. Roby is not. I wonder if the team is EVER going to treat its own players well in the twilight of their career. How soon before JJ becomes just a guy and people want him shipped off?
I think JJ will always be beloved by true fans of the game. We were privileged to watch one of the all time greats at his position and he is still on our team!
I hope he can play at a high level for two more years at least.
God I hope he gets a ring as a Texan.
Our last hope for that now is for DW4 to really hit his stride and the injury bug is kind to us for a couple years.
And Brady retires.:evil:
 
Fans, management the statement can just as easily apply to both. I liked K-jax when he was here, but lets be real, if he's better than Roby, it ain't by much & that is probably only due to his experience. 1 guy is younger and still has room to grow, the other had a career year................... in year 10...& that was only b/c he played part of it at a position he should've been playing from the get go that utilized his strengths as a good cb in run support. When he had to slide back down to cb, he looked just ok & certainly not worth the money he got from Denver.



I think you're being biased too....but I've also got news for you bud. good qb's play in all divisions & the reality is he left a division where he only had to play 1 twice a season to go to a division where he has to play 2 of the very best 4 times a year. As for your other stuff..rationalize the TD in the KC game all you want..but Dontrelle Inman ate pretty good against K-jax in this last playoff game & If memory serves, K-jax got beat so badly on 1 play, he had to commit PI to stop him from catching the ball which almost assuredly would've went for a TD.
That's a veteran move to save a TD.
Nothing came out of it.

We'll see how it goes next year.
 
Fans, management the statement can just as easily apply to both. I liked K-jax when he was here, but lets be real, if he's better than Roby, it ain't by much & that is probably only due to his experience. 1 guy is younger and still has room to grow, the other had a career year................... in year 10...& that was only b/c he played part of it at a position he should've been playing from the get go that utilized his strengths as a good cb in run support. When he had to slide back down to cb, he looked just ok & certainly not worth the money he got from Denver.



I think you're being biased too....but I've also got news for you bud. good qb's play in all divisions & the reality is he left a division where he only had to play 1 twice a season to go to a division where he has to play 2 of the very best 4 times a year. As for your other stuff..rationalize the TD in the KC game all you want..but Dontrelle Inman ate pretty good against K-jax in this last playoff game & If memory serves, K-jax got beat so badly on 1 play, he had to commit PI to stop him from catching the ball which almost assuredly would've went for a TD.
If 5th is just OK, I'll take it over a guy ranked around 100th any day.

Sure, it's close, just some 90 places apart. You have a really loose definition of
"Not by much".

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-2019-free-agency-profile-kareem-jackson
 
For 10 Million he better be a borderline pro bowler. (should have kept KJax) Thanks Brian Gaine.

No. No. No. No.

The Texans... whether it be Wade or RAC, Smith or Gaine, did not trust him on the outside.

Yes, first two or three years he was well on his way to being one of the best. But he hit a ceiling, regressed really. I don't know if it was because of injury or age or whatever. But he lost a step when he didn't have one to give.

Denver is playing him at safety. While I think he tackles well, I still think he's too small to play inside, especially in the box, down after down.
 
That's a veteran move to save a TD.
Nothing came out of it.

We'll see how it goes next year.

Lol, nothing came out of it b/c the colts were already in cruise control and had gotten conservative.

And veteran cbs don’t get caught in positions like that to where they have to do that....especially against 3rd rate WR’s.

Lastly, The supposed 5th best cb in the league last year was the #2 cb here...& he will be in Denver so take that for what it’s worth.
 
No. No. No.

Denver is playing him at safety. While I think he tackles well, I still think he's too small to play inside, especially in the box, down after down.

We primarily ran a lot of zone b/c Kjax often got exposed by speedy WRs..as he did in this last colts playoff game by Inman.

And safety is where not so quick cb’s go to die...so If it’s true that they’re playing him at safety, then it tells u all you need to know about what they think about him as a cb.
 
Lol, nothing came out of it b/c the colts were already in cruise control and had gotten conservative.

And veteran cbs don’t get caught in positions like that to where they have to do that....especially against 3rd rate WR’s.

Lastly, The supposed 5th best cb in the league last year was the #2 cb here...& he will be in Denver so take that for what it’s worth.
You can't fool people three times.
KJax got his third contract.
End of story.
 
We primarily ran a lot of zone b/c Kjax often got exposed by speedy WRs..as he did in this last colts playoff game by Inman.

And safety is where not so quick cb’s go to die...so If it’s true that they’re playing him at safety, then it tells u all you need to know about what they think about him as a cb.
The Texans were among teams that played the most man coverage in 2017.
They played more zone last year because they don't have enough healthy/decent CBs; ie. nobody else besides JJo and KJax
 
No. No. No. No.

The Texans... whether it be Wade or RAC, Smith or Gaine, did not trust him on the outside.

Yes, first two or three years he was well on his way to being one of the best. But he hit a ceiling, regressed really. I don't know if it was because of injury or age or whatever. But he lost a step when he didn't have one to give.

Denver is playing him at safety. While I think he tackles well, I still think he's too small to play inside, especially in the box, down after down.
He's been practicing at all DB positions.

And to MrTex, safety isn't necessary where CB goes to die.
See Charles Woodson.
Devin McCourty made the transition sucessfully.
Jason McCourty played some at safety last year, too.
 
The Texans were among teams that played the most man coverage in 2017.
They played more zone last year because they don't have enough healthy/decent CBs; ie. nobody else besides JJo and KJax

That's because Vrabel was the DC and he was blitzing (and not getting there) so much they had no choice. Crennel has always run more zone
 
Tell me he wont be soking the weed next yr and I will tell you if he's going to have a good yr. Denver was a bad city for Roby to be in.
 
No. No. No. No.

The Texans... whether it be Wade or RAC, Smith or Gaine, did not trust him on the outside.

Yes, first two or three years he was well on his way to being one of the best. But he hit a ceiling, regressed really. I don't know if it was because of injury or age or whatever. But he lost a step when he didn't have one to give.

Denver is playing him at safety. While I think he tackles well, I still think he's too small to play inside, especially in the box, down after down.

I think he's going to do a great job at S for the Broncos.
 
I think JJ will always be beloved by true fans of the game. We were privileged to watch one of the all time greats at his position and he is still on our team!
I hope he can play at a high level for two more years at least.
God I hope he gets a ring as a Texan.
Our last hope for that now is for DW4 to really hit his stride and the injury bug is kind to us for a couple years.
And Brady retires.:evil:

Watt's career will be wasted just like AJ's and AF's

All because of BOB letting him run the goal line offense while he was already hurt, against the Chiefs.
 
That's because Vrabel was the DC and he was blitzing (and not getting there) so much they had no choice. Crennel has always run more zone
That's a different story; the main thing was missing JJ Watt and Mercilus.

When a DC has a full complement of players, he can afford to do anything he feels like getting the best results for his team.

I'm not so sure about Crennel running more zone - not sure I want to spend time to go back.

The things I'm sure of is that:
1. Wade Phillips is always match-man (or pattern matching that results in man coverage) predominantly over the years, and a fair-to-good amount of blitzing.
2. The Patriots were predominantly a cover 2 for a long while (until recently) - at least from the day that they drafted McCourty.

..........................
Besides the point:
On TT here, some of us had a big dose of arguments/discussions about how KJax busted and McCourty was a star.
The funny thing is that after that first year, the Patriots started playing McCourty some at safety, and in 2014, he was moved there permanently (you can see the listing at Profootball Reference.)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McCoDe99.htm
But that's not necessarily bad for him (he didn't go there to die).
Even with the move to safety, he resigned with the Pats in 2015 for a big-value contract.
Some people, like MrTex, is of the opinion that because a guy is bad at CB, he was moved to safety; but the reality is that every situation is different.
For example, I had brought up Charles Woodson, who made the move to safety and played at a high level;
Some guys just have the ability to learn and read the defense better than others, so the move to safety is for the benefit of the team overall - if you can just find a decent CB to take his place.
That guy doesn't have to be better, because he will have proper help.
 
That's a different story; the main thing was missing JJ Watt and Mercilus.

When a DC has a full complement of players, he can afford to do anything he feels like getting the best results for his team.

I'm not so sure about Crennel running more zone - not sure I want to spend time to go back.

The things I'm sure of is that:
1. Wade Phillips is always match-man (or pattern matching that results in man coverage) predominantly over the years, and a fair-to-good amount of blitzing.
2. The Patriots were predominantly a cover 2 for a long while (until recently) - at least from the day that they drafted McCourty.

..........................
Besides the point:
On TT here, some of us had a big dose of arguments/discussions about how KJax busted and McCourty was a star.
The funny thing is that after that first year, the Patriots started playing McCourty some at safety, and in 2014, he was moved there permanently (you can see the listing at Profootball Reference.)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McCoDe99.htm
But that's not necessarily bad for him (he didn't go there to die).
Even with the move to safety, he resigned with the Pats in 2015 for a big-value contract.
Some people, like MrTex, is of the opinion that because a guy is bad at CB, he was moved to safety; but the reality is that every situation is different.
For example, I had brought up Charles Woodson, who made the move to safety and played at a high level;
Some guys just have the ability to learn and read the defense better than others, so the move to safety is for the benefit of the team overall - if you can just find a decent CB to take his place.
That guy doesn't have to be better, because he will have proper help.

No cb converts to safety willingly dude & safeties are generally regarded as the less athletic of the 2 positions.

There's also a reason the safety market has decreased in value over the years & that's b/c there's been a prevailing attitude in the league for some time about the position that good safeties can be made, unlike CBs.

So If a cb converts to safety he is more than likely doing it for 1 of 2 reasons:

1. He's simply not good enough to play cb on the NFL level on a consistent basis for 1 reason or another. In this regard the move to safety is likely coming at the request of the coaching staff or is an attempt by the player to extend his career after failing or not being very good at cb - See Malcolm Jenkins & Devin McCourty....Mathieu who was a cb in college made the transition upon entering the NFL like alot of guys do.

2. Said player was an elite CB for years and can still contribute just not at cb anymore....These are your Charles Woodsons and Rod Woodson's of the world..guys who are no longer elite at CB, but still want to play & can still be solid.

In either case though, their careers as CB's are over.


Every situation is different...but seeing as though K-jax spent the majority of his career at cb & was only recently moved to safety & is reportedly going to be playing safety in Denver, that all but signals the death of his career as a full time CB in this league. & unless im mistaken, he was playing safety when we played Denver last year so they saw what he could do there..1 one of his better games i believe. that and his versatility to play cb in a emergency situation only is why he got the money he got.
 
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No cb converts to safety willingly dude & safeties are generally regarded as the less athletic of the 2 positions.

There's also a reason the safety market has decreased in value over the years & that's b/c there's been a prevailing attitude in the league for some time about the position that good safeties can be made, unlike CBs.

So If a cb converts to safety he is more than likely doing it for 1 of 2 reasons:

1. He's simply not good enough to play cb on the NFL level on a consistent basis for 1 reason or another. In this regard the move to safety is likely coming at the request of the coaching staff or is an attempt by the player to extend his career after failing or not being very good at cb - See Malcolm Jenkins & Devin McCourty....Mathieu who was a cb in college made the transition upon entering the NFL like alot of guys do.

2. Said player was an elite CB for years and can still contribute just not at cb anymore....These are your Charles Woodsons and Rod Woodson's of the world..guys who are no longer elite at CB, but still want to play & can still be solid.

In either case though, their careers as CB's are over.


Every situation is different...but seeing as though K-jax spent the majority of his career at cb & was only recently moved to safety & is reportedly going to be playing safety in Denver, that all but signals the death of his career as a CB in this league. & unless im mistaken, he was playing safety when we played Denver last year.

He played cb against Denver last year, out of necessity and had one of the best games of his career.

Of course 76's guy Keenum could have had a lot to do with KJax performance.
 
He played cb against Denver last year, out of necessity and had one of the best games of his career.

Of course 76's guy Keenum could have had a lot to do with KJax performance.

That's right, J-jo was out.......plus i remember a key 4th & 10 pass that was completed by the Broncos that put them in FG range for that final FG that they missed. The cb that pass was completed on? K-Jax.
 
No. No. No. No.

The Texans... whether it be Wade or RAC, Smith or Gaine, did not trust him on the outside.

Yes, first two or three years he was well on his way to being one of the best. But he hit a ceiling, regressed really. I don't know if it was because of injury or age or whatever. But he lost a step when he didn't have one to give.

Denver is playing him at safety. While I think he tackles well, I still think he's too small to play inside, especially in the box, down after down.

So would you say the team improved by signing Roby? He may be faster but he sure plays dumb at times. KJax had a high football IQ and was probably our best open field tackler and probably the best CB in the NFL against the run. His ability to play any DB position in a pinch only increases his value. Can Roby play both safety spots effectively if needed? He's the "speed" guy on the outside and that honestly frightens the hell out of me. He's better why because he's younger most of the top CBs in the game are in their upper 20s and some 30 or older? Are we going to continue and propagate the "well he COULD be really good in a year or two when OUR COACHES get to work with him or whenever he heals or etc.. etc.." while KJAX may not be a cornerstone he IMO was way more valuable than Roby last year especially given it would have only cost 1M more and the history KJAX had with the team.

Respect the heck out of you TK always have and its your right to think KJax was a liability. I'll graciously disagree - I mean I dont think KJax gave up a TD all last year yet we're going to be overly critical of what happened two years ago? Three? I saw a pretty good 2018. To each his own.
 
& unless im mistaken, he was playing safety when we played Denver last year so they saw what he could do there..1 one of his better games i believe..


Yes, you were mistaken.
In the first half, I count 19 snaps at boundary corner (whether it was Sanders or the big guy Sutton or an occasional different receiver) and 9 snaps in the slot (mostly on Sanders).
There was also another snap where he originally lined up in the slot, but traded position with one of the safeties just as the ball got snapped.

And no, steelb, Keenum played well enough to win the game.
Vance Joseph made the bonehead decision to go for the looooong FG before the half instead of pinning the Texans back.
The Texans got a FG out of that.
Keenum then brought the Broncos down the field at the end of the game, with his team trailing by 2.
At the Texans 32 and 13 seconds left, Vance Joseph inexplicably called a run on 2nd down, which resulted in a loss of 1.
The Broncos had to call their last time out, and the FG kicker missed a 51-yd FG
 
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That's right, J-jo was out.......plus i remember a key 4th & 10 pass that was completed by the Broncos that put them in FG range for that final FG that they missed. The cb that pass was completed on? K-Jax.
Again, that would be wrong.
Reid #20 jumped the wrong route and was out of position.
The Texans were playing cover 2, 5 under.
 
He played cb against Denver last year, out of necessity and had one of the best games of his career.

Of course 76's guy Keenum could have had a lot to do with KJax performance.
There were 7 QB hits and 2 sacks on Keenum.
He was pressured by Watt and company all day. (Same goes for Watson against the Broncos pass rush).
He lost his Center after 39% of the snap.
He had lost his top two TEs earlier in the year, and they just traded Thomas to the Texans.
 
There's also a reason the safety market has decreased in value over the years & that's b/c there's been a prevailing attitude in the league for some time about the position that good safeties can be made, unlike CBs.
That would be incorrect.
McCourty's second contract with the Pats was as a safety, and it was for mucho money.

"On March 9, 2015, the New England Patriots signed McCourty to a five-year, $47.5 million contract with $28.5 million guaranteed and a signing bonus of $15 million."
 
2. Said player was an elite CB for years and can still contribute just not at cb anymore....These are your Charles Woodsons and Rod Woodson's of the world..guys who are no longer elite at CB, but still want to play & can still be solid.

In either case though, their careers as CB's are over.
Again, incorrect.

Charles was still switching between CB and Safety late into his career.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WoodCh00.htm
He was still listed as a CB at 35 years of age, and he was both Pro-Bowler and All-Pro
He made the All-Pro team as a CB
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...r-2011-ap-releases-leagues-top-squad-for-2011

Rod was still playing CB at 33 years of age.
 
Again, that would be wrong.
Reid #20 jumped the wrong route and was out of position.
The Texans were playing cover 2, 5 under.

I'm aware of what the coverage

I put that pass completion more on K-jax b/c he was more responsible for that window opening than Reid. K-jax is in trail position providing the under coverage and gets shaken out of his boots by Sanders on the double move.

Reid in contrast is just doing what he has to do in that situation which is protect deep against the TD in which case the game is over at that point if they give that up. Reid sees Sutton on the same side running a deep curl made to look like a deep fly route. If Reid had truly jumped that other route as you say he wouldn't have been in position to make the tackle on Sanders immediately after the completion .....which he was. K-jax? not so much. he was lunging just trying to get a hand on the ball.
 
I'm aware of what the coverage

I put that pass completion more on K-jax b/c he was more responsible for that window opening than Reid. K-jax is in trail position providing the under coverage and gets shaken out of his boots by Sanders on the double move.

Reid in contrast is just doing what he has to do in that situation which is protect deep against the TD in which case the game is over at that point if they give that up. Reid sees Sutton on the same side running a deep curl made to look like a deep fly route. If Reid had truly jumped that other route as you say he wouldn't have been in position to make the tackle on Sanders immediately after the completion .....which he was. K-jax? not so much. he was lunging just trying to get a hand on the ball.
I think you're being biased again.
The LOS is at the Broncos 45.
The ball was caught at the Texans 39-yd line, more than 16 yards beyond the LOS.
That's the safety's territory.
You expect a big hit from the safety in that instance.
 
Look at the replay again.
Reid thought it was a wheel route and so he jumped it.
He got caught lead-footed when Sanders cut back to the inside.
 
Look at the replay again.
Reid thought it was a wheel route and so he jumped it.
He got caught lead-footed when Sanders cut back to the inside.
It was 4th and 8.
In cover 2, you want the CB playing underneath to protect against the 10-yd routes.
The rest is the safety's responsibility.
 
Again, incorrect.

Charles was still switching between CB and Safety late into his career.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WoodCh00.htm
He was still listed as a CB at 35 years of age, and he was both Pro-Bowler and All-Pro
He made the All-Pro team as a CB
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...r-2011-ap-releases-leagues-top-squad-for-2011

Rod was still playing CB at 33 years of age.


How does any of this dispell what i said? Playing a little cb here & there doesn't equate to them still being able to play the position full time anymore than it means a safety that plays a little cb from time to time can play it full time.

And what does his 3-yr 42MM contract tell you?
The safety position is stil important as ever.

It tells me that somebody was desperate as hell and needed to overpay for a safety. Never said I thought it wasn't important. I said the prevailing sentiment in the league for a long time has been that good safeties can be made. Which many of them actually are converts to safety after playing mostly cb in college.

That would be incorrect.
McCourty's second contract with the Pats was as a safety, and it was for mucho money.

"On March 9, 2015, the New England Patriots signed McCourty to a five-year, $47.5 million contract with $28.5 million guaranteed and a signing bonus of $15 million."

bro, compared to cb, that's not great money & you know as well as i do, an even half way decent CB is getting much more than that.
 
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