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HPF: Second verse, same as first
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Mightymike
Waterboy
this article is relentlessWolf said:
TexanFan881
All Pro
I guess they think making over the coaching staff is going to fix all our problems.
travfrancis
Waterboy
good article
TexanFan881
All Pro
The article has some good points in it.
Wolf
100% Texan
Maddict5 said:
I am like you, I don't like to read articles like this, but truth hurts and the article is right.. our FA pickups have been less than stellar and our drafting esp in 2nd and 3rd rounds (we went boom or bust(hollings) on projects instead of getting solid picks) have really hurt this franchise
texan279
Hall of Fame
Ridiculous. I guess it's Carr's fault the coaching was so horrible for the last 4 seasons. I guess it's Carr's fault that the playcalling was so bad last season. I guess it's Carr's fault for our defense being ranked 31st last season. The answer is clear to me now, the failure of this organization the past 4 seasons lies all on Carr's shoulders.
TexanFan881
All Pro
I think Carr will greatly improve with the new coaching staff.texan279 said:
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I disagree. I think it reads like a typical but "swollen" rant here on the Texans board. The simple truth is that Bob McNair brought in Dan Reeves last season to look everything over and give him a recommendation and the recommendation was that the problem did not lie with the players but rather on the coaching and what the coaches were asking the players to do.TexanFan881 said:
Now you may not believe that and I may not entirely believe that but Bob McNair has clearly stated that he believed it. Since then the Texans have proceeded with free agency in the exact same manner you would expect them to if you take into account that they believed what Reeves said.
None of this is particularly surprising and if Reeves was right then the Texans would get better if they left the entire roster alone (exempting personnel needed for the 3-4 to 4-3 change) and just installed a new offensive and defensive system.
The big thing is that nobody knows squat about the Texans right now. Anyone who thinks they do is fooling themselves or trying to sell newspapers. Until we see these players (and whoever else comes to town via the draft and free agency) in the new system then most criticism like this is fairly pointless.
Maddict5
Hall of Fame
Agreed. plus i like the fact that he assumes Carr will have a bad year- and can use the fact that its a new system as an excuse (which by the way, he should know everything about, because other qbs never need any time to know exactly how to run a new offence on Day 1texan279 said:
)yeah our FA's arent big names and we have overpaid but thats what happens when you're the worst team in the league- lets see how they play before judging them.
also agree on weak mid-round drafting in PREVIOUS years- this year we've got kubiak, sherman and reeves to help make selections, yet the jackass that wrote that trash just prefers to assume failure. Again lets wait and see before judgement
As to the Reggie Bush pick- who cares- if thats what they want does it make a difference if every1 assumes we're taking him because we wont be trading down if hes the 1 we want(and was also the general consensus #1 for a long time before-hand)
TEXANRED
Texan-American
Well I am going to have to agree that we are drafting Bush. The way the landscape looks if they do sign Putzier we then have a pass catch TE, a pass catching FB, a pass catching RB in DD, a pass catching RB who also plays receiver (Bush), two rather large WR's in AJ and now the new guy from Cinncy. We also have a QB with some wheels so look for several plays added to allow David to run.
This offense appears to be gearing up for short quick passes, West Coast O. Which would explain why O-line was not addressed in FA, the new coaching staff must feel the line that is in place is athletic enough and geared to this type of system. I also see the coaching staff planning on Carr not holding on to the ball that long. Also with all the weapons Carr would have at the line of scrimage it would be hard for the other teams D to call blitz's on every down, unlike what has been going on over the last four years.
So just on a guess, I would think the second round we will draft a Tackle and then in the third round take a pair of DE's and then draft OLB in the fourth and fith rounds and then maybe a CB in the sixth.
This offense appears to be gearing up for short quick passes, West Coast O. Which would explain why O-line was not addressed in FA, the new coaching staff must feel the line that is in place is athletic enough and geared to this type of system. I also see the coaching staff planning on Carr not holding on to the ball that long. Also with all the weapons Carr would have at the line of scrimage it would be hard for the other teams D to call blitz's on every down, unlike what has been going on over the last four years.
So just on a guess, I would think the second round we will draft a Tackle and then in the third round take a pair of DE's and then draft OLB in the fourth and fith rounds and then maybe a CB in the sixth.
edo783
Hall of Fame
If you have not ever been over to HPF it is mostly about ~10 guys who hate Carr, love VY, HATE Caserly and just dog and Bioch about everything and anything the team does. A couple of guys try to keep the keel sort of level, but it's usually a beat down / shoutdown situation if anything positive is said about that/those that they absolutly hate.
Napa Auto Parts
Veteran
Great article
Texan Asylum
Hall of Fame
Herv...for the most part I believe we're at opposing ends of the ideological, theological, and political rope. But for once I would have to say I agree 100% with what you posted. Good post.Hervoyel said:
that article is crap.
If there is one thing I cant stand..it is people who whine and whine and can only see the bad in things.
Eliminated the pre-draft mystery? We have alluded to many different scenarios and have said A HUNDRED FREAKING TIMES that we are open to a trade down. What else do you want them to do? (I know what you want them to do..you want them to say "OMG WE LOVE VINCE!")
Im not going to get into Carr..its already been gone over 100 times.. but hey, we havent heard this guys particular brand of ignorant sarcasm yet..so im glad he was kind enough to share.
Offensive line? Sherman...remember him? our new Oline coach? How about us moving McKinney to his CORRECT position at LG? how about us retaining Wand so that we can give him the shot that our previous coaching staff denied him for god knows what reason? How about one of the deepest Oline drafts in recent memory? I suppose this guy would have preffered that WE had been the team to make Bentley the highest paid center in NFL history huh? no..then he would have been whining about how we had the #1 pick and had to trade it cause we couldnt afford to sign anyone drafted that high, or whining about how we overpaid for 1 lineman when we need more. Whine whine whine whine whine.. I swear...if people would put half as much effort into thinking things through, as they put into whining and being a sarcastic fool....
Anthony Weaver...again..do some freaking research.
1) Everyone who has been talking about Weaver this offseason has said that he would be more productive in a 4-3
2) No..we DONT have enough 3-4 linemen..at least..we dont have enough that fit the mold for a 4-3 defensive end. We had NO ONE with the right size to be a run stuffer.. and now we do.
As for Sage Rosenfels.. he has been highly thought of and played well when the Dolphins needed him. He is young, and will keep things competitive at QB. I dont really need to bother explaining this though..because anyone who praises the greatness of Tony Banks is showing his ignorance anyway.
Totally worthless article. I stopped reading after the Sage Rosenfels comment.. i just cant absorb that much trash at once. HPF needs to seriously consider what they post on their site.. They just lost a regular visitor.
If there is one thing I cant stand..it is people who whine and whine and can only see the bad in things.
Eliminated the pre-draft mystery? We have alluded to many different scenarios and have said A HUNDRED FREAKING TIMES that we are open to a trade down. What else do you want them to do? (I know what you want them to do..you want them to say "OMG WE LOVE VINCE!")
Im not going to get into Carr..its already been gone over 100 times.. but hey, we havent heard this guys particular brand of ignorant sarcasm yet..so im glad he was kind enough to share.
Offensive line? Sherman...remember him? our new Oline coach? How about us moving McKinney to his CORRECT position at LG? how about us retaining Wand so that we can give him the shot that our previous coaching staff denied him for god knows what reason? How about one of the deepest Oline drafts in recent memory? I suppose this guy would have preffered that WE had been the team to make Bentley the highest paid center in NFL history huh? no..then he would have been whining about how we had the #1 pick and had to trade it cause we couldnt afford to sign anyone drafted that high, or whining about how we overpaid for 1 lineman when we need more. Whine whine whine whine whine.. I swear...if people would put half as much effort into thinking things through, as they put into whining and being a sarcastic fool....
Anthony Weaver...again..do some freaking research.
1) Everyone who has been talking about Weaver this offseason has said that he would be more productive in a 4-3
2) No..we DONT have enough 3-4 linemen..at least..we dont have enough that fit the mold for a 4-3 defensive end. We had NO ONE with the right size to be a run stuffer.. and now we do.
As for Sage Rosenfels.. he has been highly thought of and played well when the Dolphins needed him. He is young, and will keep things competitive at QB. I dont really need to bother explaining this though..because anyone who praises the greatness of Tony Banks is showing his ignorance anyway.
Totally worthless article. I stopped reading after the Sage Rosenfels comment.. i just cant absorb that much trash at once. HPF needs to seriously consider what they post on their site.. They just lost a regular visitor.
travfrancis
Waterboy
he was 4-3 DE in college and on his pre-draft scouting report it says he projects to be a 3-4 DE in the NFL.
why would they suggest that switch if he is truly a 4-3 DE? why did a team draft him to be a 3-4 DE? Also interesting how the Ravens let him walk after they switch from a 3-4 defense...
i'm not saying he can't be a good 4-3 DE, but i'm not buying the he should have been a 4-3 all along thing. to me he seems like a poor man's gary walker - a de/dt tweener who can play both 3-4 DE and 4-3 DE adequately, not expecting him to blow up b/c of switching to a 4-3.
travfrancis said:
Do you have his measurables coming out of college? he is 283 pounds.. that is a "slightly" heavy 4-3 DE. And the Ravens didnt just "let him walk"..according to the fans they were really mad that he got signed by us. Its not that the ravens didnt want him im sure...just that they couldnt or wouldnt match our offer. I also wouldnt say that he is going to "blow up" in a 4-3.. but saying he is a 3-4 DE, and we dont need any more of them, is just a false statement.
RTP2110
All Pro
Just a few thoughts-
Wow, shouldn't we at least hold off judgement of the offseason until after the off season? They haven't even played one game yet. I can respect any article, even if i don't agree with it, as long it is written with facts in mind. This article just goes off too many assumptions. They assume that Carr will stink, Cook will not start, the o-line will blow, and the Texans draft Bush (that's not a guarantee).
Why the continued Carr bashing anyway? I can say alot of people lost faith in him along wit Capers and Casserly, understandable. But, Reeves was brought in and concluded that Carr and be a winner. Coaching candidates agreed that Carr and be a winner. Kubiak was brought in and he agrees that this team can win with Carr. If you wont give Carr the benefit of the doubt, at least allow it for Kubiak and Reeves.
Lastly, I don't think it's fair to bash the contracts given to the free agents we have signed. Look around the league there are some rediculous contracts going out. Sure you can always find anohter guy that another team signed for cheaper. You know, the salary cap did go up, expecat the contracts to go up as well. Next year will be worse, it's the nature of the buisness. I don't hink it's fair to bash on the talent either. Sure Weaver, Cook, and Walter may not be big names but maybe our coaches see something. How excited do you think Charger fans were when they signed Steve Foley? Bottom line is this isn't Madden football, when you're 2-14 not everyone wants to come play on your team. Sometimes you lose guys and sometimes it takes a bit more cash to get guys in.
Bottom line, IMO, it's just way way to early to judge this offseason. Capers is gone, and Cass has Reeves over his shoulder. it will be okay.
Wow, shouldn't we at least hold off judgement of the offseason until after the off season? They haven't even played one game yet. I can respect any article, even if i don't agree with it, as long it is written with facts in mind. This article just goes off too many assumptions. They assume that Carr will stink, Cook will not start, the o-line will blow, and the Texans draft Bush (that's not a guarantee).
Why the continued Carr bashing anyway? I can say alot of people lost faith in him along wit Capers and Casserly, understandable. But, Reeves was brought in and concluded that Carr and be a winner. Coaching candidates agreed that Carr and be a winner. Kubiak was brought in and he agrees that this team can win with Carr. If you wont give Carr the benefit of the doubt, at least allow it for Kubiak and Reeves.
Lastly, I don't think it's fair to bash the contracts given to the free agents we have signed. Look around the league there are some rediculous contracts going out. Sure you can always find anohter guy that another team signed for cheaper. You know, the salary cap did go up, expecat the contracts to go up as well. Next year will be worse, it's the nature of the buisness. I don't hink it's fair to bash on the talent either. Sure Weaver, Cook, and Walter may not be big names but maybe our coaches see something. How excited do you think Charger fans were when they signed Steve Foley? Bottom line is this isn't Madden football, when you're 2-14 not everyone wants to come play on your team. Sometimes you lose guys and sometimes it takes a bit more cash to get guys in.
Bottom line, IMO, it's just way way to early to judge this offseason. Capers is gone, and Cass has Reeves over his shoulder. it will be okay.
Honch Delgado
Waterboy
I liked the TO simile.