Someone posted that the scouts wanted David Johnson over strong, but OBrien overruled.
Also OBrien and Brock were at each other's throats
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Someone posted that the scouts wanted David Johnson over strong, but OBrien overruled.
Also OBrien and Brock were at each other's throats
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Its a way outdated and played out reference that goes all the way back to the days of the Celtics/Lakers rivalries where the media always coined the city of Boston as a ton of racists because Irish lived there and because Bird played there. ESPN still pedals this narrative to this day constantly with folks like Max Kellerman, Nick Wrong, Bomani Jones, and Jemele Hill (Who actually spit racism at the city of Boston and got reprimanded for it) and countless others. They never have examples to provide either or major incidents that take place. It's just an echo chamber cry with no logic or current pattern of incidents to illustrate it.
Except Easterby talked with Caserio the day before Gaine was fired. That makes for bad optics on the timing. I do agree however that, short of hard evidence (emails, phone records, condemning testimony) that tampering will be hard to prove. Surely OB and Easterby spent enough time with the Pats to realize that once you were gone, you were the enemy and BB will do what's best for his team over hurting his team by letting key personnel just walk out the door.
I've read that on here but never seen a link for that info about Johnson.
OB is at everyone's throat. That's what he does when his little steam pot goes off. It would've made way more sense to designate Brock as a post-June 1 cut than trade away a 2nd round draft pick. That was done to save McNair $17,000,00 not appease Teflon O'Brien. IMO, of course.
maverick512000
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This keeps coming up so here is my question. Why does the NFL have to prove anything? We're not talking about a legal case being argued before an unbiased judge we are talking about what basically amounts to in house abirritation which means the league can rule anyway they like. They could very easily say "You know there may not be any hard evidence but the optics of this do not look good and we want to make an example so no teams even think of trying this."
Factually inaccurate. One Source does NOT equal one writer, especially as this was a spotlight article. (for those who actually followed the link, it's a team of 7 - all shown on page one)
Tex disputed the original assertion as if it was pulled out of thin air. I repudiated that assertion with a linked source.
He has yet to provide ANY source that defies the statistics and conclusions drawn by the spotlight team.
I don't honestly don't care all that much. Tex likes to play bully / victim alternatively. I tire of it from time to time.
It's all highly amusing in a sense...given the sheer number of Globe writers being quoted in this very thread.
The problem is it didn't save any money. That second round pick would have to be replaced somehow and they'd still have to meet the minimum cap threshold
Actually, you were. Might want to go back and read where you made the first accusation of a poster without providing anything...and then threw your little hissy fit when you were called out on it.
...and as I just posted above, here's your little "poor me, I started this, yet I'm a victim" card.
You're so predictable, it's sad.
All true. Goodell could just make a snap ruling against the Texans for appearances sake.
hmmmml... the ring ceremony was on June 6th...
...when was Gaine canned again...??
tune in tomorrow for the next episode of As the Texans Turn
Dude!
frethack
Rookie
The only place Ive seen the David Johnson vs. Jalen Strong narrative is on walterfootball. From my own experience, theyre accuracy seems to be 50-50 on NFL rumors and were tight with the Rick Smith regime. Its shown in their commentary...especially from charlie.
Mangler
Toro de España
Why do you “leftists-right wingers” always have to turn everything into politics? Wrong forum, buds.Your source is a leftist publication that has tons of "hate white people" articles and that's who your "expert" of who is racist is?
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion...e-fragility/1mjf8Qf1nVJqiJIxKe6RhM/story.html
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion...e-privilege/UupRBwH9r4qaregWDK5CxL/story.html
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion...yday-racism/xVYyM1ivwhz1GsjYogu3TM/story.html
Do your research next time.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
i was just riding that early bird wave of rumor and innuendo. I cant substantiate any of those claims of 'testifying' on a more thorough search, but who knows really - this is a PR nightmare all the way around.
Texecutioner
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I corrected a false statement. Feel free to ignore that portion of the thread.
Well I'm sure the NFL will talk to caserio about it. Just haven't seen it officially reported yet.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Your content was easily debunked and proven as fake news.
What you think about me has nothing to do with the Boston Globe's history.
And what you "think" about the Boston Globe's history has nothing to do with your personal inability to actually "debunk" what was posted. That's where I get the whole "what I think about you" part.
It's a slow news day.
I know I should stop feeding the troll, but...
Texansballer74
The Marine
https://houston.sportsmap.com/brian-gaine-isnt-the-only-person-bill-obrien-is-running-out-of-town
There have been reports of "erosion" in the relationship between O'Brien and Gaine, how they weren't seeing eye-to-eye, and how this was the manifestation of many events over a period of time and not one particular flashpoint that happened just Friday.
The relationship between the former friends had definitely soured, and the team was willing to eat 3.5 years of contract to appease O'Brien's ego in the matter.
One of the points of contention, according to sources, is the team's inability to land a significant free agent on the offensive line. O'Brien is said to have really liked former Patriots OT Trent Brown, but the team failed to acquire his services. It comes a year after the team failed to sign another former Patriots OT, Nate Solder, who decided he did not want to reunite with O'Brien despite far lower taxes in Texas than in NYC/North Jersey and world class cancer hospitals for his son right down the road from NRG Stadium.
While one move alone wouldn't damn a team to being a raging dumpster fire of an organization, some still look at the Texans odd firing of Gaine and compare it to the New York Jets firing their GM. The Jets have long been a franchise run like a rudderless ship, and the comparisons to the Jets came in fast and furious. It's not fair to call the Texans the same as the Jets based on one move.
However, if we peel the onion back a bit, we may see things are closer to the jets than you may have thought.
Start with the purging of all their top scouts.
You remember, right after the draft last year, the Texans fired assistant GM Jimmy Raye III (the man hired to replace Gaine when he was fired by Rick Smith). They also fired their director of college scouting Jon Carr, assistant director of college scouting Mike Martin (the man credited with finding Arian Foster & AJ Bouye), college scouting director Matt Jansen, and college scout Seth Turner. Carr and Martin had been with the team over a decade. The Texans trusted them to run the draft and then fired them.
After the draft this year, they fired Frantzy Jourdain, who had been a national scout for the team after serving as a Southeast area scout.
So the team fired a bunch of top scouts, and then fired the GM. That doesn't sound like a recipe for success, does it? Maybe the comparisons to the Jets have merit after all.
Let's make matters worse, shall we?
There have been several sources that have indicated to me that many players on the team do not like Bill O'Brien. Two sources even used the term "hate."
That's when this little nugget got dropped on me:
"Bill O'Brien is running Clowney out of town."
At the end of March, O'Brien said "I really have a great fondness for Jadeveon Clowney," at the Annual League Meeting in Phoenix. However, that may not be the real case.
According to several sources, O'Brien is not a fan of Clowney's approach to the game, and feels that Clowney didn't work hard enough last season in returning from surgery. I guess we know for sure where the comments about Clowney not being "the worker bee" some of his defensive teammates (JJ Watt) are came from.
There have been reports of "erosion" in the relationship between O'Brien and Gaine, how they weren't seeing eye-to-eye, and how this was the manifestation of many events over a period of time and not one particular flashpoint that happened just Friday.
The relationship between the former friends had definitely soured, and the team was willing to eat 3.5 years of contract to appease O'Brien's ego in the matter.
One of the points of contention, according to sources, is the team's inability to land a significant free agent on the offensive line. O'Brien is said to have really liked former Patriots OT Trent Brown, but the team failed to acquire his services. It comes a year after the team failed to sign another former Patriots OT, Nate Solder, who decided he did not want to reunite with O'Brien despite far lower taxes in Texas than in NYC/North Jersey and world class cancer hospitals for his son right down the road from NRG Stadium.
While one move alone wouldn't damn a team to being a raging dumpster fire of an organization, some still look at the Texans odd firing of Gaine and compare it to the New York Jets firing their GM. The Jets have long been a franchise run like a rudderless ship, and the comparisons to the Jets came in fast and furious. It's not fair to call the Texans the same as the Jets based on one move.
However, if we peel the onion back a bit, we may see things are closer to the jets than you may have thought.
Start with the purging of all their top scouts.
You remember, right after the draft last year, the Texans fired assistant GM Jimmy Raye III (the man hired to replace Gaine when he was fired by Rick Smith). They also fired their director of college scouting Jon Carr, assistant director of college scouting Mike Martin (the man credited with finding Arian Foster & AJ Bouye), college scouting director Matt Jansen, and college scout Seth Turner. Carr and Martin had been with the team over a decade. The Texans trusted them to run the draft and then fired them.
After the draft this year, they fired Frantzy Jourdain, who had been a national scout for the team after serving as a Southeast area scout.
So the team fired a bunch of top scouts, and then fired the GM. That doesn't sound like a recipe for success, does it? Maybe the comparisons to the Jets have merit after all.
Let's make matters worse, shall we?
There have been several sources that have indicated to me that many players on the team do not like Bill O'Brien. Two sources even used the term "hate."
That's when this little nugget got dropped on me:
"Bill O'Brien is running Clowney out of town."
At the end of March, O'Brien said "I really have a great fondness for Jadeveon Clowney," at the Annual League Meeting in Phoenix. However, that may not be the real case.
According to several sources, O'Brien is not a fan of Clowney's approach to the game, and feels that Clowney didn't work hard enough last season in returning from surgery. I guess we know for sure where the comments about Clowney not being "the worker bee" some of his defensive teammates (JJ Watt) are came from.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Steel is about to have a field day when he reads this. Lol!
They definitely have merit at the moment. I thought about that comparison before I ever saw it here.
Clowney not working as hard as he should? Old news. Biggest reason why he looked like one of the worst 1st picks of the draft ever.
Texansballer74
The Marine
He reminds me of whats-his-name that earned pseudo fame for having a nice rant on the Jim Rome show and turned it into a 610 gig
xtruroyaltyx
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Yes because that happens all the time.
edo783
Hall of Fame
On 610, they had a guy who covers the Pats. He thinks Casario wants to come to Houston and the Pats just filed the tampering charge as a way to get ( extort) a pick from us. He said he was very surprised that they did it and it would probably be settled before the league can investigate. I think that means we will give up a pick. IMHO, it had better not be a 1 or a 2.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I surely hope we don't fall for that crap. Dude has the right to go interview wherever the bleep he wants to.
https://twitter.com/the_reliant/status/1138944709190045696?s=21
A little humor/fresh take during the madness
A little humor/fresh take during the madness
badboy
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Well the point of my post was if there was audio that it would have sound that would have words that would say that they were tampering. Not just talking to a buddy.
badboy
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Well
the point of my post was if there was audio that it would have sound that would have words that would say that they were tampering. Not just talking to a buddy.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Not in all cases he doesn't.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Legally no. Players and coaches are not to talk to others about jobs outside league parameters.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
And knowing the Patriots they probably, most definitely had the place wired.
Clowney isn't even a cousin to one of the worst #1 picks ever. Not even top 20. He's a disappointment with the lack of QB sacks, but he's hell against the run. Injuries are my only real knock against Clowney.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
And he's started 14+ games for 3 straight seasons, so even that's not really a thing.
No, he's not the HOFer you hope #1 is, but he's light years from worst #1 ever.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Not saying he was the worst #1 draft pick. I said he looked like one of the worst to me. He was very overrated. His career at this point has been proven that. No one uses a #1 draft pick because a guy is a good run stopper. He is a solid player, don't get me wrong but far from being #1 draft pick worthy. I'd say it is fair to call him a #20th pick of the draft and beyond based on what he's done which is still pretty damn good.
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Before Gaine was hired, I posted the following message in the Replacement GM thread. I guess I should have sent the question to the McNairs. It looks like Cal finally asked the question.
Yes, only reason was alignment and being a yes-man. Worked well.
I'm now asking the same question about Cesario. What is his draft record? How does it compare to Rick Smith's first rounds? Besides being friends with O'Brien and Easterby, what has he accomplished as the Patriots' pseudo GM?
Texansballer74
The Marine
Lol I knew they weren't aligned like they stated. It was so funny reading those comments by a few who bought right into that nonsense.
Texansballer74
The Marine
No one can answer that question because he doesn't have that title on his resume. The Patriots as usual trying to pull a fast one. Lol
Pretty much what I said.
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#FANTASYLAND
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
He has done nothing. Can anyone name the last time the Pats dominated a draft? Was it really hard to acquire talent like Gilmore/Cooks/Clayborn/Jason McCourty etc? What I will say is he obviously has the Pats nervous, either promote him to GM or GTFOTW imo
Tab
Practice Squad
i dont know about drafting but he finds guys that fit the system really well and that's definitely worth something. they dont dominate drafts because they're always picking really low and trading back