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Well, the GM search is on!

IDEXAN said:
If they value him that highly then why not give him the title and compensation of an NFL GM ?
Of course he'd still be answering to Bllicheck but lot of teams already have that arrangement which allegedly is what we've had here in Houston for awhile now.
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Shoot, practically since Rick Smith really.

They run things differently over there. I'm not sure how much more money he'd get from Houston, but its probably quite a bit I'm guessing. Maybe that would sway him you'd think. Overall, I don't see it as a good move for him other than financially.
 
Texecutioner said:
Which provided a lot of indicators that they would do everything possible to keep him because he's a strong asset for them. Big reason why I provided Belicheck's quotes. They already blocked this from happening before, so that history alone would leave strong speculation that they'd do everything possible to keep him from leaving especially since Bill is taking on a stronger role on the defense currently since they lost their D coordinator in the off season.
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Again, nothing from the Patriots. Sure they would like to keep him but nothing to indicate they will do a lot to keep him if he decides to leave
 
Texecutioner said:
Shoot, practically since Rick Smith really.

They run things differently over there. I'm not sure how much more money he'd get from Houston, but its probably quite a bit I'm guessing. Maybe that would sway him you'd think. Overall, I don't see it as a good move for him other than financially.
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Financially is reason enough but you can't necessarily put a price on the feeling of stepping out & doing your own thing. He may just be ready for that. For years, its been Brady, Belichick & mostly any & everyone else getting the credit for building & keeping that juggernaut going up there. He's watched assistant after assistant leave & get opportunities to further their careers & he's really been the only constant outside of Brady, Belichick & Kraft.

So i hear what you're saying, but i liken Caserio's situation to Theo Epstein's. Succeed or fail, He just might be ready to move on out of the shadow of Brady & Belichick.
 
Mr teX said:
Financially is reason enough but you can't necessarily put a price on the feeling of stepping out & doing your own thing. He may just be ready for that. For years, its been Brady, Belichick & mostly any & everyone else getting the credit for building & keeping that juggernaut going up there. He's watched assistant after assistant leave & get opportunities to further their careers & he's really been the only constant outside of Brady, Belichick & Kraft.

So i hear what you're saying, but i liken Caserio's situation to Theo Epstein's. Succeed or fail, He just might be ready to move on out of the shadow of Brady & Belichick.
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Maybe, but at the same time he's been there for over a decade and those are some major community ties you can create in that time. In addition I think his wife teaches at University of Boston and the weather difference between NE and Houston is pretty extreme. At the same time word was he was willing to take the Miami GM job but they wouldn't give him the power level he wanted so, if true, he may want that chance to show what he can do.

My question is though we have been hearing for days now that this is the guy that all the teams want but no one has been able to pry him from NE. What is it about the guy that makes him the chosen one? If we are just looking at the success NE how do we know how much of that was him and how much was the GOAT QB and HC?
 
maverick512000 said:
Maybe, but at the same time he's been there for over a decade and those are some major community ties you can create in that time. In addition I think his wife teaches at University of Boston and the weather difference between NE and Houston is pretty extreme. At the same time word was he was willing to take the Miami GM job but they wouldn't give him the power level he wanted so, if true, he may want that chance to show what he can do.

My question is though we have been hearing for days now that this is the guy that all the teams want but no one has been able to pry him from NE. What is it about the guy that makes him the chosen one? If we are just looking at the success NE how do we know how much of that was him and how much was the GOAT QB and HC?
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Well, it could be that while Belichic has the HC/GM title it’s actually Caserio that finds the type of guys that Belichic demands for his system. If so, he’s pretty dang good at it.
 
Texecutioner said:
This post addresses nothing I said and has nothing to do what you previously tried to put forth. What a pathetic reach. Lol!
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How convenient you left out statement in post that addresses TE importance in Patriot model and that is not fake.

Colts - Ebron 13 TD's ranked below Gronkowski who only had 3 TD's based of yards per game gained.
 
maverick512000 said:
Maybe, but at the same time he's been there for over a decade and those are some major community ties you can create in that time. In addition I think his wife teaches at University of Boston and the weather difference between NE and Houston is pretty extreme. At the same time word was he was willing to take the Miami GM job but they wouldn't give him the power level he wanted so, if true, he may want that chance to show what he can do.

My question is though we have been hearing for days now that this is the guy that all the teams want but no one has been able to pry him from NE. What is it about the guy that makes him the chosen one? If we are just looking at the success NE how do we know how much of that was him and how much was the GOAT QB and HC?
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That's the magic question to be honest. I don't think anyone really knows except for those who have worked with him...& Belichick, Easterby, BoB - they all swear by him.

me personally, i'm a little weary of poaching every damn NE assistant/coach/player we can get in the hopes that we'll be able to duplicate NE's success & "the patriot way". I'd like to see us finally breakthrough & if this helps us great........but even if we add Caserio, i'm not expecting Pats level success. i just believe that what's been going on up there is rare & can't be duplicated b/c of 2 individuals that we don't have here. I love DW4 & glad he's here & I think he's got a bright future.........but he aint TB12.....& BoB....well, we don't need to go there.
 
beerlover said:
How convenient you left out statement in post that addresses TE importance in Patriot model and that is not fake.

Colts - Ebron 13 TD's ranked below Gronkowski who only had 3 TD's based of yards per game gained.
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It says nothing about what we were discussing and Ebron has nothing to do with it at all. You just looked for anything you could shove out there to make it look like you didn't get fake news'd. Get lost until you can actually make a case for why their draft was bad or why their offense is in such trouble due to not having a great pass catching TE. Using that logic the Texans offense is doomed as well even with Watson, Fuller, and Hopkins. Lol!
 
Mr teX said:
Financially is reason enough but you can't necessarily put a price on the feeling of stepping out & doing your own thing. He may just be ready for that. For years, its been Brady, Belichick & mostly any & everyone else getting the credit for building & keeping that juggernaut going up there. He's watched assistant after assistant leave & get opportunities to further their careers & he's really been the only constant outside of Brady, Belichick & Kraft.

So i hear what you're saying, but i liken Caserio's situation to Theo Epstein's. Succeed or fail, He just might be ready to move on out of the shadow of Brady & Belichick.
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I like Cesario just fine. I don't think you could put much into anything as far as whether he'd come or not, because none of its really know. Even as a Pats and Texans fan I sure as hell don't. I just know that I'd be looking at the Texans with a lot of concerns right now with Cal running the ship and firing his GM at a time where it looks very reactionary and sort of crazy. Glad that Gaine is gone, but these are really bad circumstances to be looking for a GM or for a GM to go to a team. I'm thinking it might be best for the Texans to get a rental GM until next off season where they can put in a lot of time and effort and have a better shot at all candidates. But if they can land Cesario, I'd be fine with it too. I think it will have to have quite a bit of money attached to it though.
 
IDEXAN said:
If they value him that highly then why not give him the title and compensation of an NFL GM ?
Of course he'd still be answering to Bllicheck but lot of teams already have that arrangement which allegedly is what we've had here in Houston for awhile now.
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If Cesario wants to be the shot caller then he has that opportunity in Houston. Regardless of how much power some here think BOB has. This will be the tell when it comes to finally letting y'all know that the GM is making the final calls on personnel.
 
badboy said:
This article seems to argue hiring Caserio not a promotion. WIll it work? Quien sabe?
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This is an area where Easterby could be valuable.
He knows the exact role(s) Caserio has in NE so it could make it more difficult for the Pats to falsely inflate his position/importance in the organization.
And falsely inflating his position or importance is 100% something that I would expect them to try
 
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sp...-A-battle-looming-between-Texans-13969728.php

The New England Patriots are making every effort to keep director of player personnel Nick Caserio from becoming the Texans’ next general manager.
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As of Tuesday night, the Texans were still waiting to hear if they’re going to be able to interview Caserio, who is close friends with coach Bill O’Brien and executive vice president Jack Easterby, who spent the last six years with the Patriots.

If Caserio is able to interview, expect the Texans to hire him. If he wants to interview, it means he wants the job. But don’t count out the Patriots and the powers of persuasion Kraft and Belichick might use to convince him to stay.
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That next sound we hear could be a broadside from the Patriots making all kinds of accusations that the Texans tampered with Caserio and the only way to heal the wound is a first-round draft choice as compensation.

Hey, the Patriots had to pay compensation to get Belichick. A first-round pick by the way, ordered by former commissioner Paul Tagliabue. Could Roger Goodell do the same? He owes the Patriots one, right? Or two.
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Or, if they don’t find anyone they like at such an odd time of year to be looking for a general manager, the Texans could just stick with their current management structure with O’Brien in charge of personnel and relying heavily on Easterby with football operations, senior vice president of administration Chris Olsen negotiating contracts and president Jamey Rootes running the administrative side of the organization. All would answer to McNair.
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Sounds like this might drag out and that the Texans may be fine to just not have a GM and let OB have control.
 
justtxyank said:
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sp...-A-battle-looming-between-Texans-13969728.php

LOL,

Just make Caserio the shot caller and pay him enough to make Belichick walk away. I really dont want to have an Oh well we made a great offer but he chose to stay in Foxboro moment. Pay the man.

I wanted to add Easterby was hired on April 2nd and asked to give Cal his assessment of the franchise. He did and Gaine was gone. Caserio/Easterby talked and rumor has it Caserio will be GM by Friday, so maybe times really are changing. If this is the case then I'm going to like Cal alot because he took the heat in firing Gaine to a guy (Caserio) that he considers an upgrade. Great Move.










Sounds like this might drag out and that the Texans may be fine to just not have a GM and let OB have control.
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steelbtexan said:
If Cesario wants to be the shot caller then he has that opportunity in Houston. Regardless of how much power some here think BOB has. This will be the tell when it comes to finally letting y'all know that the GM is making the final calls on personnel.
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You maybe right but that’s the whole point, no one knows what BoBs contract says he has power wise and NE can use that to block if they so chose. Also these plans of a three headed dragon of Easterby/BoB/GM can be used as can one report which says the GM would report to Easterby.

The fact is we don’t know what the hold up is or what is being said, and considering how fast they fired Gaine yet how little progress they seem to have made finding his replacement that is where the fear lies.
 
maverick512000 said:
You maybe right but that’s the whole point, no one knows what BoBs contract says he has power wise and NE can use that to block if they so chose. Also these plans of a three headed dragon of Easterby/BoB/GM can be used as can one report which says the GM would report to Easterby.

The fact is we don’t know what the hold up is or what is being said, and considering how fast they fired Gaine yet how little progress they seem to have made finding his replacement that is where the fear lies.
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You should know Texans mentality by now... GM won't report to Easterby, but to Cal along with everyone else
 
JB said:
You should know Texans mentality by now... GM won't report to Easterby, but to Cal along with everyone else
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isn't that in the Texans favor? That's the definition provided in some of the articles above... "high level dude who only reports to the owner...??

I dunno about anyone else but this feels like when Kubiak got the HC job in Denver and did all he could to "get the old band back together".
....it worked for them.
 
ObsiWan said:
isn't that in the Texans favor? That's the definition provided in some of the articles above... "high level dude who only reports to the owner...??

I dunno about anyone else but this feels like when Kubiak got the HC job in Denver and did all he could to "get the old band back together".
....it worked for them.
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That was kinda my point
 
When Scott Pioli resigned in May he did so in order pursue potential possibilities. Anyone know exactly what he meant by that?
 
Double Barrel said:
The Texans ownership has never failed to amuse me with their seemingly inability to ever appear to know what the hell they are doing.

That apple certainly did not fall far from the tree. What a complete clusterfrack.
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I will do it for a 5 year 5 million dollar contract !!! At the very least all I have to do is work 1.5 years and at best they'll extend it like the old days .
 
Double Barrel said:
The Texans ownership has never failed to amuse me with their seemingly inability to ever appear to know what the hell they are doing.

That apple certainly did not fall far from the tree. What a complete clusterfrack.
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Don't you know, this is just a sign the Patriots are scared of the genius of the Texans
 
DocBar said:
Just one more reason why BB is so much better than OB.
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Let's see this play out first. I'm leaning towards BB being the smarter of the two, but I'm holding on to the possibility that it's all been an elaborate ruse by BO'b to get BB to drop his guard..
 
Double Barrel said:
The Texans ownership has never failed to amuse me with their seemingly inability to ever appear to know what the hell they are doing.

That apple certainly did not fall far from the tree. What a complete clusterfrack.
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As much as I'm on board with believing the folks down in the Kirby offices never seem to have a clue what they're doing, I believe this is just a case of the Pats being the Pats...just trying to find every advantage they can, exploit every loophole, turn over every rock.
 
Well are they going to talk to him or not? There has been plenty of time to find out! I'm tired of f****** waiting!
 
screw this. lets start a petition to make me the gm. lets do it guys. id be the first fan to become gm. i of course would pay attention to the message board. lets get this started.
 
thetexanator said:
screw this. lets start a petition to make me the gm. lets do it guys. id be the first fan to become gm. i of course would pay attention to the message board. lets get this started.
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Wait a minute, I want to be GM. And my first campaign promise is to draft nothing but offensive linemen for the next two years. I figure if I use up all the draft choices for two years on nothing but offensive lineman, I'll manage to get that line in shape even if half my draft choices are duds.

And if only HALF of my draft choices are duds, it'll be an improvement over what we're used to.
 
thetexanator said:
screw this. lets start a petition to make me the gm. lets do it guys. id be the first fan to become gm. i of course would pay attention to the message board. lets get this started.
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Are your decreasing beer prices?
 
Thorn said:
If texanator says he'll decrease beer prices, I'll say I'll give beer away free just for showing up. (doesn't mean I will, but I'll say it anyway)
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Sounds humanitarian of you but I wouldn't drink a beer from you (no offense just - it would be spiked.)
 
Thorn said:
Wait a minute, I want to be GM. And my first campaign promise is to draft nothing but offensive linemen for the next two years. I figure if I use up all the draft choices for two years on nothing but offensive lineman, I'll manage to get that line in shape even if half my draft choices are duds.

And if only HALF of my draft choices are duds, it'll be an improvement over what we're used to.
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I thought you were already a GM
...Grumpy MoFo
:D
 
Reiss...proposed a way in which Caserio and the Patriots could come out satisfied:

"One possible 'easy' fix for the Patriots: Instead of denying permission for Caserio to interview and potentially creating a situation that sparks hard feelings, elevate him to general manager (despite Patriots personnel often saying titles don't matter) and increase his salary to current market levels for a newly hired GM like the Jets' Douglas."
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Seems like a possibility that we could be blocked from hiring him and that the tampering investigation continues resulting in loss of $ or draft picks on top of not getting our guy. What a mess.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...harges-against-texans-over-nick-caserio-talks
 
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thetexanator said:
screw this. lets start a petition to make me the gm. lets do it guys. id be the first fan to become gm. i of course would pay attention to the message board. lets get this started.
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What a great idea! For the record, the Texans have not contacted me about the job, and if they do, I'm not interested.
 
Thorn said:
Wait a minute, I want to be GM. And my first campaign promise is to draft nothing but offensive linemen for the next two years. I figure if I use up all the draft choices for two years on nothing but offensive lineman, I'll manage to get that line in shape even if half my draft choices are duds.

And if only HALF of my draft choices are duds, it'll be an improvement over what we're used to.
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stop it. i thought about it first and had the moxy to get this started. its me or nothing.
 
Double Barrel said:
The Texans ownership has never failed to amuse me with their seemingly inability to ever appear to know what the hell they are doing.

That apple certainly did not fall far from the tree. What a complete clusterfrack.
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I'll like this post simply because it's a possibility. Not much is known about Cal McNair, the way he thinks, or what he might be up to, both for the good of the team or the bad. I mean, he might have just played the Patriots and this city comes out on top...but that's only of Cal knows 100%, no matter what happens, that Caserio is coming to Houston.

If Caserio doesn't come here, then we know that it was a dunderheaded move that beats anything that Bob McNair ever did to sabatoge this team.

In other words, after this is over we'll know for certain if Cal McNair is a no-BS genius or not worth a rusty bedpan.

If it's the latter, we're truly fu'ked.
 
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