Can we all agree the Texans org is a clusterfvck?
Lovin me some Texans org.
Lovin me some Texans org.
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It does appear so.Can we all agree the Texans org is a clusterfvck?
Remember what I said back in 2010. Nothing has changed.It does appear so.
The Godfather is returning.Well...we went through 20 quarterbacks in 5 years and ended up with a good one. Maybe they think this can also work with the General Manager position?
That **** ain't funny. I'll boycott football if ricky comes back.The Godfather is returning.
Agreed, but there are better guys out there.Putting you on ignore lasted less than a day since we have actual news!
I’m disappointed in team. Unless Gaine did something awful/non football related to lose his job. It’s one thing if they fired OB because a demonstrably better coach became available (The guy in NE, Reid, Carroll as examples).
But there is no such replacement clearly available at GM. Gaine had a vision for what he was building and though there were valid reasons to pan the inactivity this offseason his track record thus far (2018 draft haul without 1/2 picks) had earned him more leeway than a sudden firing.
McGloughan has had time in the GM role but he’s got off field issues making him unreliable. Not demonstrably better (unless of course we find out Gaine had off field issue).Agreed, but there are better guys out there.
McCloughan/Savage/Wolf/Cesario just to name a few.
Question is who would want to come to work for this dysfunctional franchise?
Unreliable? He's built 2 championship quality teams, that's what I want down on Kirby. I really dont care what people do in their personal lives. I just care about the results on Sunday's. It's why they keep score.McGloughan has had time in the GM role but he’s got off field issues making him unreliable. Not demonstrably better (unless of course we find out Gaine had off field issue).
Rest haven’t been given opportunity to prove they are demonstrably better. That would be like firing OB for a hot shot coordinator who has never been a HC. May work out... may not.
His 49er teams as GM were 7-9 and 8-8 then 6-10 the year after he was dismissed. They did turn around when Harbaugh arrived though in 2011.Unreliable? He's built 2 championship quality teams, that's what I want down on Kirby. I really dont care what people do in their personal lives. I just care about the results on Sunday's. It's why they keep score.
He was the driving force behind the Harbaugh teams. The guy that found the talent. McCloughan left, then Harbaugh in a lost power struggle to Ballke. That's when the 49ers fell off.His 49er teams as GM were 7-9 and 8-8 then 6-10 the year after he was dismissed. They did turn around when Harbaugh arrived though in 2011.
Seahawks teams did great but he wasn’t GM. John Schneider is one of the best GMs in the league and unavailable for good reason.
When he was GM of Redskins they went 9-7 and 8-7-1 and after dismissal back to back 7-9 seasons.
Looks like you are a fan of mediocrity as long as they have some off field issue
This is incorrect. He had the normal number of picks, 2 were just lower.(2018 draft haul without 1/2 picks)
BS two ways. 1st he'll never be GM again. You're, most likely intentionally, setting a standard designed for the Texans to fail. Might as well say 'if the Texans were serious rather than cheap they'd buy Belichick from NE.'Unreliable? He's built 2 championship quality teams, that's what I want down on Kirby. I really dont care what people do in their personal lives. I just care about the results on Sunday's. It's why they keep score.
You can try to give him credit all you want to fit your narrative but I laid out pretty clearly he is undeserving of your lofty praise.He was the driving force behind the Harbaugh teams. The guy that found the talent. McCloughan left, then Harbaugh in a lost power struggle to Ballke. That's when the 49ers fell off.
He was the guy that found most of the talent for the Seahawks championship team. He found Wilson for example.
He lost a power struggle to Allen and wasn't there long enough to implement his plan and Allen kept throwing in monkey wrenches. What have the Skins done since McCloughan left?
Are you seriously going to say not having the 1/2 pick is a fine scenario to walk into? I know you love arguing semantics but c’mon man This is incorrect. He had the normal number of picks, 2 were just lower.
BS two ways. 1st he'll never be GM again. You're, most likely intentionally, setting a standard designed for the Texans to fail. Might as well say 'if the Texans were serious rather than cheap they'd buy Belichick from NE.'
2nd McCloughan didn't build either team. He was GM in San Fran for just 2 years and that ended with an 8-8 team that then went 6-10 3 years before they went to the SB. In Seattle he was 3rd man on the personnel totem pole. Yay he was a big Wilson advocate. One player is not a team.
Absolutely 100% yes. Why didn't he have a #1? Because it was already on the field in the form of a rookie contract franchise QB. Most new GMs walk in needing a QB. So bottom line Gaine had a 3rd instead of a 2nd. Big fu@kin whoop. Not many new GMs walk into 2 time division winners with a franchise QB. Spare me the pity party over one round.Are you seriously going to say not having the 1/2 pick is a fine scenario to walk into? I know you love arguing semantics but c’mon man
2 roundsAbsolutely 100% yes. Why didn't he have a #1? Because it was already on the field in the form of a rookie contract franchise QB. Most new GMs walk in needing a QB. So bottom line Gaine had a 3rd instead of a 2nd. Big fu@kin whoop. Not many new GMs walk into 2 time division winners with a franchise QB. Spare me the pity party over one round.
One. The 1st was on the field. The 2nd given up for Oz was replaced with a 3rd.2 rounds
Cal's putting his stamp on the team, no doubt. It's just too soon to get a sense of what type of owner he's going to be other than different than his dad. So far he's giving the impression (IMO) of impulsive and decisive to get a ring - you're the one person I would have expected to have approved of the move. I'm just hoping that he's only putting his stamp on the team and impulsiveness isn't his M.O.Can we all agree the Texans org is a clusterfvck?
Lovin me some Texans org.
I liked Gaine,Cal's putting his stamp on the team, no doubt. It's just too soon to get a sense of what type of owner he's going to be other than different than his dad. So far he's giving the impression (IMO) of impulsive and decisive to get a ring - you're the one person I would have expected to have approved of the move. I'm just hoping that he's only putting his stamp on the team and impulsiveness isn't his M.O.
He wasn't GM of the 49ers either. But both the 49ers/Seahawks were successful while he was there. Not so much after he left. BTW, he's the guy that picked Mayfield for the Browns even though Dorsey was the GM. Dorsey was smart enough to hire him as a consultant.You can try to give him credit all you want to fit your narrative but I laid out pretty clearly he is undeserving of your lofty praise.
The 49ers had two full offseasons after he left to build Harbaugh’s teams.
He was not the GM of the Seahawks and they are still perennial contenders long after he left. If he was mainly responsible for Wilson and Legion of Boom selections he’d be the GM over there.
What did the Redskins do while he was there other than 9-7? Very Texans-esque sure but not a clear upgrade...
Career historyHe wasn't GM of the 49ers either. But both the 49ers/Seahawks were successful while he was there. Not so much after he left. BTW, he's the guy that picked Mayfield for the Browns even though Dorsey was the GM. Dorsey was smart enough to hire him as a consultant.
He was GM of the Niners 2008-9. The Niners had ZERO winning seasons during his tenure, 2005-2009. 2010 was 6-10. The arrival of Harbaugh in 2011 turned them into a winner.He wasn't GM of the 49ers either. But both the 49ers/Seahawks were successful while he was there. Not so much after he left.
But he’s got some edge to him! Mediocre football is ok as long as they got off field red flags to make it interesting.He was GM of the Niners 2008-9. The Niners had ZERO winning seasons during his tenure, 2005-2009. 2010 was 6-10. The arrival of Harbaugh in 2011 turned them into a winner.
Pete Carroll was the #1 personnel guy in Seattle and obvious architect of their success. Kudos for the 3rd man advocating Wilson.
Did crap in Washington. Very few people get 2nd shots at being GM. How about you google up 3rds?
Can you elaborate? You think Cal kept Gaine from being more proactive in FA? Why would he fire him if he was just taking marching orders?I liked Gaine,
I think Cletus didn't let Gaine make some of the moves he wanted to make this offseason.
McClain has said many times that OBrien basically has control over personnel and signed off on every moveCan you elaborate? You think Cal kept Gaine from being more proactive in FA? Why would he fire him if he was just taking marching orders?
I can’t see this being about one move if this is even completely football related.McClain has said many times that OBrien basically has control over personnel and signed off on every move
So it had to be something gaine screwed up. Could have been failing to trade up when O'Brien told him to or something else
If Pancakes is correct then that is what is wrong with the Texans. Their power structure is not right. The HC should have input, sure, but not over that of the GM. D'Antoni isn't making the decisions over Morey. Hinch isn't over Luhnow.McClain has said many times that OBrien basically has control over personnel and signed off on every move
So it had to be something gaine screwed up. Could have been failing to trade up when O'Brien told him to or something else
Really? You want steelb to elaborate?Can you elaborate? You think Cal kept Gaine from being more proactive in FA? Why would he fire him if he was just taking marching orders?
When I think of a football organization I think about the big three. Owner, GM, coach.Can we all agree the Texans org is a clusterfvck?
Lovin me some Texans org.
The Patriots do not have the conventional power structure. Neither did the Jimmy Johnson Cowboys. The Walsh/Siefert Niners didn't either. That's the last 3 dynasty teams and 14 Lombardis that say conventional isn't the only or maybe even smart way. Coaching is #1.If Pancakes is correct then that is what is wrong with the Texans. Their power structure is not right. The HC should have input, sure, but not over that of the GM. D'Antoni isn't making the decisions over Morey. Hinch isn't over Luhnow.
The Texans need to get their power structure back in order. Now that Gaine is gone, get rid of OB. Then hire a GM and let the GM bring his HC in. The Texans have done it ass backwards since 2006-07 with Kubiak and Smith, now OB and Gaine and it looks like they're about to do it again with OB and new GM.
Cal made the decision. But, there's little doubt that O'Brien put the idea in Cal's ear.I'm waiting for where this goes. As far as who runs team, if it works, I'm good. I'd rather Cal made decision to fire GM than O'Brien.
Something outside of football got Gaine fired. ImhoCan you elaborate? You think Cal kept Gaine from being more proactive in FA? Why would he fire him if he was just taking marching orders?
He found Wilson and Mayfield and is recognized as one of the best personnel guys in the NFL.He was GM of the Niners 2008-9. The Niners had ZERO winning seasons during his tenure, 2005-2009. 2010 was 6-10. The arrival of Harbaugh in 2011 turned them into a winner.
Pete Carroll was the #1 personnel guy in Seattle and obvious architect of their success. Kudos for the 3rd man advocating Wilson.
Did crap in Washington. Very few people get 2nd shots at being GM. How about you google up 3rds?
True, but to Dorsey"s credit he made good moves with the warchest. I've seen alot of guys screw it up.Career history
As executive:
- Green Bay Packers (1994–1999)
(Regional scout)- Seattle Seahawks (2000–2004)
(Director of college scouting)- San Francisco 49ers (2005–2007)
(Vice President of Player Personnel)- San Francisco 49ers (2008–2009)
(General manager)- Seattle Seahawks (2010–2013)
(Senior personnel executive)- Washington Redskins (2015–2016)
(General manager)
And I don’t think there was a “wrong” decision between Mayfield/Darnold last draft. Both should be very good QBs.
Poor Sashi used a tanking strategy to perfection and got fired to let Dorsey get the credit. He inherited a warchest of draft picks (thanks largely to Texans) and cap space.
Firing a guy with three and half years left on his contract is not financially prudent e.g cheap-ass.Can we all agree the Texans org is a clusterfvck?
Lovin me some Texans org.
Which doesn't make your prior statements true.He found Wilson and Mayfield and is recognized as one of the best personnel guys in the NFL.
You've been one of the Texans biggest critics this offseason because of their relative passivity in free agency which I'd guess was more likely a factor in his downfall than any restrictions placed on him by McNair.I liked Gaine,
I think Cletus didn't let Gaine make some of the moves he wanted to make this offseason.
Cal claiming firing Gaine was to improve by upsetting the status quo? A 6-year head coach is the status quo. I guess he thinks Houstonians are idiots, like Bud Adams did. Houston pro football seems to have flatlined ever since 1/16/1994 (Kansas City game), despite a change in owners and team. 25 years. Now we seem to have a Mussolini head coach (de facto GM) who says he's "still learning" how to protect his young QB by calling sweeps for him.It’s one thing if they fired OB because a demonstrably better coach became available (The guy in NE, Reid, Carroll as examples).
Yes to the first. Not so much the 2ndCan we all agree the Texans org is a clusterfvck?
Lovin me some Texans org.
Agreed. But...The Patriots do not have the conventional power structure. Neither did the Jimmy Johnson Cowboys. The Walsh/Siefert Niners didn't either. That's the last 3 dynasty teams and 14 Lombardis that say conventional isn't the only or maybe even smart way. Coaching is #1.
Two of those franchises had Brady, Montana, and Steve Young as well though.Agreed. But...
Belichick, Johnson, Siefert... O'Brien
One of these doesn't fit.
That was the coaching is #1 part.Agreed. But...
Belichick, Johnson, Siefert... O'Brien
One of these doesn't fit.
Leave Aikman out and you miss the point. JJ chose & got the QB he wanted. If Jerry hadn't pissed him off would have been 4 in a row with that unmentionable QB.Two of those franchises had Brady, Montana, and Steve Young as well though.
They always name an interim.If another GM is in the wings, was there a reason to name Olsen as an interim?
Whoever was responsible for Larry Allen , Erik Williams , and Leon Lett hit it big . Small school guys who were pro bowlers .That was the coaching is #1 part.
Now something doubly disconcerting about that set, the 3 succesful ones found their QB. OB got shoved into having a franchise QB in a move he is rumored to have opposed. How plumber's chin has managed thru this is boggling.
Leave Aikman out and you miss the point. JJ chose & got the QB he wanted. If Jerry hadn't pissed him off would have been 4 in a row with that unmentionable QB.
I think it was a combination of talent & coaching. We all know Lett in particular had motivational issues & Jimmy was very involved in the player/man He turned out to be.Whoever was responsible for Larry Allen , Erik Williams , and Leon Lett hit it big . Small school guys who were pro bowlers .
I think I read that Jimmy , as a part of scouting , liked to watch big guys play basketball .I think it was a combination of talent & coaching. We all know Lett in particular had motivational issues & Jimmy was very involved in the player/man He turned out to be.