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Is it Grade the Draft time?

HaveMercy said:
IMO, that's one of those better be careful what you hope for type things. Who is to say any new owner would be better than the family we now have? Things could get worse, not better.

A bunch of teams have owners we wouldn't want. Plus, can you imagine how rich someone would have to be to afford the Texans by then? Anyone paying that much would really be looking to squeeze some profit, I reckon. And, anyone in that financial position would have NO feel for us, the fans.

So, I'd like to see Cal have a real chance to be his own man before we start hoping for new ownership.
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I would rather take my chances than be stuck in mediocrity with Cletus and I am willing to pay more if it means the McNair era is history.

Do the McNair's know what the fans want? To them giving the fans tailgating/beer/BBQ are enough because that's enough to keep NRG full regardless of the product they put on the field.

You're right, there are worse owners #Glazers. But there are a bunch of better owners. Every year the McNair's own the team you can expect more of what we've seen over the last 17 years.
 
Texansballer74 said:
What drastic change did those players make? The secondary was still sizzling dumpster juice. The oline was still diarrhea.

Watson healthy and a weak schedule is what helped this team to the beautiful record of 11-5.
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Not having a pick until the third round all but reminds us of this inherited nightmare in his first year. Im thinking Coffee may have been referring to the S and ST positions? Badger and Reid were pretty good additions and the ST’s were definitely improved.
 
The draft is an entity in its self. You absolutely can grade a draft immediately after. The entire draft is a crapshoot with fading odds the later you go. The good GMs know this and not only do their best to acquire as many picks as possible for this year but also look to stock future drafts as well when possible.

This idea that you have to wait three years to grade a draft is silly. The eventual outcome isn’t what makes a draft grade. You can say a draft was successful if players end up panning out sure. But all players come with risk and reward factors.

Just because a GM picks a high risk player and he works out doesn’t mean it was a smart choice. There are to many variables that factor in on that players success. Coaching, scheme, atmosphere, compatibility with other players, Health, luck and many more.

If I spend my last dollar on a lottery ticket and it hits does that make me smart? Does that mean I made a good decision? No! The draft should be approached as a asset accumulation process. Every pick has a value. Value drops as you go according to players available and their perceived talent, physical ability, personality, intelligence, experience and many other factors.

This was a poor draft in that the players taken at the positions taken weren’t valued (IMO) according to my perceived value of the pick because of other players that were available who had more value. Again that’s MY perspective.

I would never reach for need as a GM. BPA or trade down and acquire more talent and give yourself more chances to hit. It’s that simple. If you end up with to much talent at a position you can use one of the players for trade for a player at a need position or more draft picks

All players are projects but some more than others. The less risk you take the more chance you have at hitting. Every player should have a success probability rating. That’s your board. Stick to it for the best chance to win.

JMO after watching the draft for decades.
 
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mussop said:
The draft is an entity in its self. You absolutely can grade a draft immediately after. The entire draft is a crapshoot with fading odds the later you go. The good GMs know this and not only do their best to acquire as many picks as possible for this year but also look to stock future drafts as well when possible.

This idea that you have to wait three years to grade a draft is silly. The eventual outcome isn’t what makes a draft grade. You can say a draft was successful if players end up panning out sure. But all players come with risk and reward factors.

Just because a GM picks a high risk player and he works out doesn’t mean it was a smart choice. There are to many variables that factor in on that players success. Coaching, scheme, atmosphere, compatibility with other players, Health, luck and many more.

If I spend my last dollar on a lottery ticket and it hits does that make me smart? Does that mean I made a good decision? No! The draft should be approached as a asset accumulation process. Every pick has a value. Value drops as you go according to players available and their perceived talent, physical ability, personality, intelligence, experience and many other factors.

This was a poor draft in that the players taken at the positions taken weren’t valued (IMO) according to my perceived value of the pick because of other players that were available who had more value. Again that’s MY perspective.

I would never reach for need as a GM. BPA or trade down and acquire more talent and give yourself more chances to hit. It’s that simple. If you end up with to much talent at a position you can use one of the players for trade for a player at a need position or more draft picks

All players are projects but some more than others. The less risk you take the more chance you have at hitting. Every player should have a success probability rating. That’s your board. Stick to it for the best chance to win.

JMO after watching the draft for decades.
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I’d love to see us drafting more QB’s in the later rounds to put on a PS to develop for trade or backup at some point. It’s the best position for trade value and the most important position on any team but the Texans haven’t put much stock in that idea.
 
Dejaview said:
We might be doing so now. At least I’m seeing a set of instructions to change the culture and player profile. Instant gratification is for children.
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You're right. You're right.

But if you were here the first couple of times "We might be doing so now..." you'd understand where some of our friends are coming from.

King's new clothes... the more things change... & all that.
 
HaveMercy said:
IMO, that's one of those better be careful what you hope for type things. Who is to say any new owner would be better than the family we now have? Things could get worse, not better.

A bunch of teams have owners we wouldn't want. Plus, can you imagine how rich someone would have to be to afford the Texans by then? Anyone paying that much would really be looking to squeeze some profit, I reckon. And, anyone in that financial position would have NO feel for us, the fans.

So, I'd like to see Cal have a real chance to be his own man before we start hoping for new ownership.
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I would rather take my chances than be stuck in mediocrity with Cletus and I am willing to pay more if it means the McNair era is history.

Do the McNair's know what the fans want? To them giving the fans tailgating/beer/BBQ are enough because that's enough to keep NRG full regardless of the product they put on the field.

You're right, there are worse owners #Glazers. But there are a bunch of better owners. Every year the McNair's own the team you can expect more of what we've seen over the last 17 years.
 
mussop said:
I would never reach for need as a GM. BPA or trade down and acquire more talent and give yourself more chances to hit. It’s that simple. If you end up with to much talent at a position you can use one of the players for trade for a player at a need position or more draft picks
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I agree with you.

However, in this case, all the "first round" graded guys falling out of the first, Atlanta trading up to take a 2nd lineman who also was not Taylor...

I think the mocks & player rankings were off & can't say if the Texans should have traded down or not. Would Atlanta have taken Howard if he was there?

I don't know.
 
thunderkyss said:
I agree with you.

However, in this case, all the "first round" graded guys falling out of the first, Atlanta trading up to take a 2nd lineman who also was not Taylor...

I think the mocks & player rankings were off & can't say if the Texans should have traded down or not. Would Atlanta have taken Howard if he was there?

I don't know.
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Unless it’s a franchise elite type player I don’t care. I’ll take the chance and play the draft for best value.
 
thunderkyss said:
You're right. You're right.

But if you were here the first couple of times "We might be doing so now..." you'd understand where some of our friends are coming from.

King's new clothes... the more things change... & all that.
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I understand the frustration. I go back to the first years of the Oilers. So I’m pretty qualified to believe what I’m seeing now ain’t what we’ve seen the past few years of the Texans. BG is a freakin open book explaining his strategy and I’m onboard. Remember all the complaints on this board (yep, I’ve read this board for awhile) regarding how soft our D was and our OL was “finesse” and undersized? He’s out to change all that. Will be nice to see the Texans trying to develop a little badass stigma and impose their will like a Pittsburg or develop a bulldozer OL like Dallas had recently. At least for me, finally, the Texans are talking about it in serious tones. And it is also clear that no player or coach can ever get too comfortable and complacent like times past.
 
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Dejaview said:
I understand the frustration. I go back to the first years of the Oilers. So I’m pretty qualified to believe what I’m seeing now ain’t what we’ve seen the past few years of the Texans. BG is a freakin open book explaining his strategy and I’m onboard. Remember all the complaints on this board (yep, I’ve read this board for awhile) regarding how soft our D was and our OL was “finesse” and undersized? He’s out to change all that. Will be nice to see the Texans trying to develop a little badass stigma and impose their will like a Pittsburg or develop a bulldozer OL like Dallas had recently. At least for me, finally, the Texans are talking about it in serious tones. And it is also clear that no player or coach can ever get too comfortable and complacent like times past.
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Hope you're right.

They are making an effort.
 
Dejaview said:
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I’d love to see us drafting more QB’s in the later rounds to put on a PS to develop for trade or backup at some point. It’s the best position for trade value and the most important position on any team but the Texans haven’t put much stock in that idea.
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Taamu (SP?) is the perfect example of who you're talking about.
 
Dejaview said:
Remember all the complaints on this board (yep, I’ve read this board for awhile) regarding how soft our D was and our OL was “finesse” and undersized? He’s out to change all that. Will be nice to see the Texans trying to develop a little badass stigma and impose their will like a Pittsburg or develop a bulldozer OL like Dallas had recently.
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Been there, done that. We've had arguably the best defense in the NFL. We've had one of the best OLs in the league.

I'm hopeful BG brings something that will last. But what we've seen so far... we're jaded, for a reason. We need to see it. May not be good enough until we get past the Divisional round of the playoffs.
 
thunderkyss said:
Been there, done that. We've had arguably the best defense in the NFL. We've had one of the best OLs in the league.

I'm hopeful BG brings something that will last. But what we've seen so far... we're jaded, for a reason. We need to see it. May not be good enough until we get past the Divisional round of the playoffs.
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Problem is we always have had major problems when key players got hurt. No backup depth. Probably helped lead to all the anguish around here. Seems BG is trying to stock up with similar bodied players, versatile ones, to smooth out the consistency sine curve. Plug and play. Anyway it’s worth watching. If I seem optimistic it’s just my approach to life. Gotta keep smiling instead of bitching because it’s gonna be more fun when it starts getting better.
 
Dejaview said:
Problem is we always have had major problems when key players got hurt. No backup depth. Probably helped lead to all the anguish around here. Seems BG is trying to stock up with similar bodied players, versatile ones, to smooth out the consistency sine curve. Plug and play. Anyway it’s worth watching. If I seem optimistic it’s just my approach to life. Gotta keep smiling instead of bitching because it’s gonna be more fun when it starts getting better.
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What makes you think it will get better?

Ownership is the same and you should be questioning how bad ownership wants to win.
 
Dejaview said:
Problem is we always have had major problems when key players got hurt. No backup depth. Probably helped lead to all the anguish around here. Seems BG is trying to stock up with similar bodied players, versatile ones, to smooth out the consistency sine curve. Plug and play. Anyway it’s worth watching. If I seem optimistic it’s just my approach to life. Gotta keep smiling instead of bitching because it’s gonna be more fun when it starts getting better.
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Agreed.
It's gonna take time and its already a constant stocktake as it is.
It's not like we are allowed to spend 500 million to instantly install all necessary pieces including quality depth.
 
steelbtexan said:
What makes you think it will get better?

Ownership is the same and you should be questioning how bad ownership wants to win.
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Short answer is of course they want to win. For no other reason than to “win one for the Gipper” now that he is gone. I personally don’t believe they are obstructing BG in any manner and will hang onto his coattails to become more NFL knowledgeable. Makes more sense than thinking that they are just sitting around lighting cigars with hundred dollar bills.
 
Dejaview said:
Short answer is of course they want to win. For no other reason than to “win one for the Gipper” now that he is gone. I personally don’t believe they are obstructing BG in any manner and will hang onto his coattails to become more NFL knowledgeable. Makes more sense than thinking that they are just sitting around lighting cigars with hundred dollar bills.
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Are you saying that Call has a burning desire to bring a Lombardi to Kirby?

History says that the McNair's are more like Bud than DeBartolo.
 
HaveMercy said:
Only time will give us the real story if this draft, but from where we sit now, I'm thinking that we took big steps, about the best we could. And frankly, I'm impressed that Gaine didn't bow to the pressure to bring in overpriced Free Agents or get in a bidding war to move up one pick in the first round. On balance, I'm very pleased.
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So you like the passive nature of the Texans org?
 
steelbtexan said:
So you like the passive nature of the Texans org?
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Let’s just call it for what it was, novice work. When we all know the draft is a fluid process you have to be flexible, opportunistic, and not isolated from your competition. I have no idea how they formulated a draft board that is so out of alignment with general consensus. March to the beat of a different drum, our scouts are just better, whatever, not trading up to get your target and missing opportunity to trade down for more targets is how a franchise slips back into mediocrity.
 
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beerlover said:
Let’s just call it for what it was, novice work. When we all know the draft is a fluid process you have to flexible, opportunistic, and not isolated from your competition. I have no idea how they formulated a draft board that is so out of alignment with general consensus. March to the best of a different drum, our scouts are just better, whatever, not trading up to get your target and missing opportunity to trade down for more targets is how a franchise slips back into mediocrity.
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I've been saying this since 2010

It's the reason I give the Texans org a hard time.
 
beerlover said:
Might as well start from the beginning, 2002. One constant, Ownership!
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Yet over the yrs fans continue to live in denial, they even defend the way ownership does business.

I'm going to guess most of them haven't spent a nickel going to a game.
 
steelbtexan said:
So you like the passive nature of the Texans org?
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They didn't move up for Dillard and a lot of folks will agree that they were passive novices.

I'm not in agreement. I think BG was being wise, not passive. I think BG was smart not to over pay for any of the fair to middling free agents. I also think he was smart to not get in a bidding war for 1.22. He valued Howard at 1.23 enough to keep whatever later pick or picks moving up would have cost. None of us can REALLY say that was right or wrong until a lot more water goes under that bridge.

I have a good feeling that BG will be aggressive when the time and opportunity is right and that Cal will back him.

Plenty of teams have been foolishly aggressive and have been much the worse for it. I don't want Gaine to be a wild eyed riverboat gambler. That kind of GM might win some, but he'll lose more.
 
beerlover said:
Let’s just call it for what it was, novice work. When we all know the draft is a fluid process you have to flexible, opportunistic, and not isolated from your competition. I have no idea how they formulated a draft board that is so out of alignment with general consensus. March to the beat of a different drum, our scouts are just better, whatever, not trading up to get your target and missing opportunity to trade down for more targets is how a franchise slips back into mediocrity.
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Disagree, disagree, disagree. Did I say I disagree?

Being aggressive for the sake of being aggressive is fools work. Gaine is nobody's fool.

I want Gaine to be SHREWDLY aggressive, WISELY aggressive, Smarter-than-the-Next-Guy aggressive. I really dislike using the Patriots as an example, but there you have it, a great example on and off the field of being SHREWDLY aggressive. Yes, the Patriots misfire at times, but it's hard to call them foolish.

We can pretend we know the Texans management team wanted this or that (or should have wanted this or that) but were too scared in the moment to pull the trigger.

However, it may be that they were too shrewd to pull the trigger. We will never know what swaps were available at what cost and we will never know exactly how the Texans' board looked compared to other boards.

I am inclined to give Gaine et al the benefit of the doubt. They have more and better information than this MB. This isn't the old management team.
 
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Dejaview said:
I believe if I’ve been telling someone something for nine years and they didn’t listen I’d try another approach...but that’s just me.
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Great advice for an amatuer psychologist. Where do I send a check.

Or tell you what, how about you stop giving me life advice. I'm pretty happy with the way life is right now. (Minus my mother in law having open heart surgery on Monday.)
 
HaveMercy said:
They didn't move up for Dillard and a lot of folks will agree that they were passive novices.

I'm not in agreement. I think BG was being wise, not passive. I think BG was smart not to over pay for any of the fair to middling free agents. I also think he was smart to not get in a bidding war for 1.22. He valued Howard at 1.23 enough to keep whatever later pick or picks moving up would have cost. None of us can REALLY say that was right or wrong until a lot more water goes under that bridge.

I have a good feeling that BG will be aggressive when the time and opportunity is right and that Cal will back him.

Plenty of teams have been foolishly aggressive and have been much the worse for it. I don't want Gaine to be a wild eyed riverboat gambler. That kind of GM might win some, but he'll lose more.
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I would agree with you if Gaine was aggressive in FA and had made even one draft day trade.
 
steelbtexan said:
Great advice for an amatuer psychologist. Where do I send a check.

Or tell you what, how about you stop giving me life advice. I'm pretty happy with the way life is right now. (Minus my mother in law having open heart surgery on Monday.)
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SteelB, my heart goes out to you and your family. Prayers are going up for your Mother in Law.

It kind of helps put the Texans issues in perspective. I'll still disagree at times with your perspective on the team...and agree with your perspective at other times. But I will always be respectful.
 
steelbtexan said:
I would agree with you if Gaine was aggressive in FA and had made even one draft day trade.
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To be open-minded, I've got to admit you may be right. Only time will tell whether Gaine has what it takes to be shrewdly aggressive, picking his spots correctly. For now, I choose to be optimistic and maintain hopeful trust in his research and judgement.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Great advice for an amatuer psychologist. Where do I send a check.

Or tell you what, how about you stop giving me life advice. I'm pretty happy with the way life is right now. (Minus my mother in law having open heart surgery on Monday.)
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Nope. It’s just you made a strong statement that you’ve been giving mgmt advice for nine years and I simply implied maybe they aren’t listening.
 
Dejaview said:
Nope. It’s just you made a strong statement that you’ve been giving mgmt advice for nine years and I simply implied maybe they aren’t listening.
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Of course they dont listen to their fanbase on player acquisitions. After the last 17 yrs, maybe hey should. (LOL) What they've been doing certainly hasn't worked. But it has made them alot of $$$$. So I guess they've been really successful when you look at things thru this lens.
 
After stumbling through the 2018 season with a 20th-ranked pass-blocking unit and a 32nd-ranked run-blocking group, the playoff-bound Houston Texans desperately needed to find help in the offseason. They addressed the glaring hole immediately, taking Alabama State offensive lineman Tytus Howard with their first-round pick.

One round later, the Texans doubled up with their selection of offensive lineman Max Scharping — another small-school product. While Houston’s draft as a whole earned a below-average grade from PFF, the two picks to bolster a subpar offensive line were certainly noteworthy.

Howard excelled in 2018, particularly as a pass blocker, where he earned an 87.8 grade that ranked 21st among 329 draft-eligible offensive linemen. His 75.5 run-blocking grade was less convincing but still placed him 23rd in the class. Howard’s FCS resume may seem unworthy of a day-one pick on paper, but he proved he could matchup with FBS talent. He didn’t allow a single pressure on 38 pass-blocking snaps against Auburn.

The pick was arguably a reach by the Texans, as Howard could have still been on the board into the second round. Even so, his strengths in both primary facets of blocking should provide the immediate help that the Texans’ front-five needs.

Scharping also dominated as a pass blocker while showing glimpses of potential in the run game. In his freshman campaign, he finished 33rd of 339 qualifying guards in run-blocking grade, and while his numbers admittedly teetered off in that department — he ended the 2018 season with a 70.0 run-blocking grade (61st of 369) — the Texans, at the very least, have something to work with, and that’s all they can ask for after their abysmal offensive line play in 2018.

Scharping and Howard combined to allow just two sacks on nearly 900 pass-block snaps in 2018. As they thrived on the college field, though, the Texans struggled to establish consistency on their end. They ended the year with the second-worst pass-blocking efficiency among offensive lines (80.4), and none of their top-five linemen in pass-blocking snaps finished the season with a grade higher than 65.0.

The Texans added three defenders — two corners and an edge rusher — and two big-bodied weapons to their offense to round out their draft class, but all eyes will be on the two offensive linemen. After all, quarterback Deshaun Watson is a player who has earned the right to have at least some time in the pocket.

Watson was the most pressured quarterback in each of his first two seasons. And in 2018, he had the second-highest passer rating under pressure (88.2). Fortunately for the Texans, he’s made their blocking situation look a lot better than it is.

When Watson wasn’t under pressure in 2018, he tossed 17 touchdowns to just four interceptions, including a fifth-best 74.2% completion rate. The Texans finished the year 11-5 before falling in their first-round playoff game — but imagine what the team can accomplish with a consistent offensive line. The selections of Howard and Scharping provide the potential to push the Texans from good to great.
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https://www.profootballfocus.com/ne...jaff&cjevent=db385eb375c611e9818400180a1c0e13
 
zshawn10 said:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/ne...jaff&cjevent=db385eb375c611e9818400180a1c0e13
Howard excelled in 2018, particularly as a pass blocker, where he earned an 87.8 grade that ranked 21st among 329 draft-eligible offensive linemen. His 75.5 run-blocking grade was less convincing but still placed him 23rd in the class. Howard’s FCS resume may seem unworthy of a day-one pick on paper, but he proved he could matchup with FBS talent. He didn’t allow a single pressure on 38 pass-blocking snaps against Auburn.
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Not bad for a guy who thought he was going to be a TE just three years earlier, & a QB before that.
 
Finally my early grade for Texan 2019 NFL Draft - C

Can’t be scared to trade down thinking another team will steal your pick, that usually happens when you stay where your at. Maybe Gaine didn’t get an offer he couldn’t refuse but still extra picks, maybe even Atlanta, were there to be had, reassess your board and keep trade options on the table. Upgrades available for OL well into round three and you still have two 2nds. Anyway what’s done is done, OL was upgraded.

1-23 Howard, possible Franchise LT, certainly day one starter and elite RT with his athleticism and run blocking. Even though I feel Texans could have selected him if they traded down a few picks they get credit for getting their guy to address biggest need.
B+

2-22 Lonnie Johnson is a big, smooth DB that needs developmental time. Will see field in supporting role unless injury dictates otherwise. Oddly enough his biggest contribution as a rookie could be his pass rushing ability.
C

2-23 Max Scharping T/G versatility and work ethic, Texans got another tackle who could win out opening day LG next to Davenport really helping enforce left side and interior of pocket from breaking down. Strategy of not trading down and having more 2nd day picks again forced Gaine hand because Max would not make it to 3rd rd without then trading up.
B

3-23 Kahale Warring, TE, sure seems risky, given his lack of actual football coaching and playing experience. This has to be new offensive coordinator and former Texan TE coach Tim Kelly pick so he is putting everything on the line for Kahale.
C-

5-23 Charles Omenihu, DE, is appropriate round to start taking best player regardless of position and 5 technique is really good value here. Still long term addition anything else would be gravy. Tape is inconsistent with flashes of sack savvy but excelled more in run containment and tackles for loss.
B

6-23 Xavier Crawford, DB, quick, twitchy slot corner who could get some looks outside. Plays bigger than frame suggests, not afraid to tackle. Will see the field in max protection, has discipline to cover assignments and good enough speed and vertical athletic ability to compete for the ball.
B

7-06 Cullen Gillaspia, RB/LB, positional change, undersized with limited athletic skills who would have went undrafted. Hard to ***** about a 7th busting so isn’t there a better case to be made for using them to trade up as part of packages to get a player who can crack the 53 and make an impact? Don’t hate the person or player just wasting picks and leveraging everything you can to really improve this roster.
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beerlover said:
Finally my early grade for Texan 2019 NFL Draft - C

Can’t be scared to trade down thinking another team will steal your pick, that usually happens when you stay where your at. Maybe Gaine didn’t get an offer he couldn’t refuse but still extra picks, maybe even Atlanta, were there to be had, reassess your board and keep trade options on the table. Upgrades available for OL well into round three and you still have two 2nds. Anyway what’s done is done, OL was upgraded.

1-23 Howard, possible Franchise LT, certainly day one starter and elite RT with his athleticism and run blocking. Even though I feel Texans could have selected him if they traded down a few picks they get credit for getting their guy to address biggest need.
B+

2-22 Lonnie Johnson is a big, smooth DB that needs developmental time. Will see field in supporting role unless injury dictates otherwise. Oddly enough his biggest contribution as a rookie could be his pass rushing ability.
C

2-23 Max Scharping T/G versatility and work ethic, Texans got another tackle who could win out opening day LG next to Davenport really helping enforce left side and interior of pocket from breaking down. Strategy of not trading down and having more 2nd day picks again forced Gaine hand because Max would not make it to 3rd rd without then trading up.
B

3-23 Kahale Warring, TE, sure seems risky, given his lack of actual football coaching and playing experience. This has to be new offensive coordinator and former Texan TE coach Tim Kelly pick so he is putting everything on the line for Kahale.
C-

5-23 Charles Omenihu, DE, is appropriate round to start taking best player regardless of position and 5 technique is really good value here. Still long term addition anything else would be gravy. Tape is inconsistent with flashes of sack savvy but excelled more in run containment and tackles for loss.
B

6-23 Xavier Crawford, DB, quick, twitchy slot corner who could get some looks outside. Plays bigger than frame suggests, not afraid to tackle. Will see the field in max protection, has discipline to cover assignments and good enough speed and vertical athletic ability to compete for the ball.
B

7-06 Cullen Gillaspia, RB/LB, positional change, undersized with limited athletic skills who would have went undrafted. Hard to ***** about a 7th busting so isn’t there a better case to be made for using them to trade up as part of packages to get a player who can crack the 53 and make an impact? Don’t hate the person or player just wasting picks and leveraging everything you can to really improve this roster.
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My gut feel is that this draft will eventually look like a B or B+. Eventually.
 
beerlover said:
Finally my early grade for Texan 2019 NFL Draft - C

Can’t be scared to trade down thinking another team will steal your pick, that usually happens when you stay where your at. Maybe Gaine didn’t get an offer he couldn’t refuse but still extra picks, maybe even Atlanta, were there to be had, reassess your board and keep trade options on the table. Upgrades available for OL well into round three and you still have two 2nds. Anyway what’s done is done, OL was upgraded.

1-23 Howard, possible Franchise LT, certainly day one starter and elite RT with his athleticism and run blocking. Even though I feel Texans could have selected him if they traded down a few picks they get credit for getting their guy to address biggest need.
B+

2-22 Lonnie Johnson is a big, smooth DB that needs developmental time. Will see field in supporting role unless injury dictates otherwise. Oddly enough his biggest contribution as a rookie could be his pass rushing ability.
C

2-23 Max Scharping T/G versatility and work ethic, Texans got another tackle who could win out opening day LG next to Davenport really helping enforce left side and interior of pocket from breaking down. Strategy of not trading down and having more 2nd day picks again forced Gaine hand because Max would not make it to 3rd rd without then trading up.
B

3-23 Kahale Warring, TE, sure seems risky, given his lack of actual football coaching and playing experience. This has to be new offensive coordinator and former Texan TE coach Tim Kelly pick so he is putting everything on the line for Kahale.
C-

5-23 Charles Omenihu, DE, is appropriate round to start taking best player regardless of position and 5 technique is really good value here. Still long term addition anything else would be gravy. Tape is inconsistent with flashes of sack savvy but excelled more in run containment and tackles for loss.
B

6-23 Xavier Crawford, DB, quick, twitchy slot corner who could get some looks outside. Plays bigger than frame suggests, not afraid to tackle. Will see the field in max protection, has discipline to cover assignments and good enough speed and vertical athletic ability to compete for the ball.
B

7-06 Cullen Gillaspia, RB/LB, positional change, undersized with limited athletic skills who would have went undrafted. Hard to ***** about a 7th busting so isn’t there a better case to be made for using them to trade up as part of packages to get a player who can crack the 53 and make an impact? Don’t hate the person or player just wasting picks and leveraging everything you can to really improve this roster.
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A fair grade, although I like Scharping/Omenihu alot more than you do.

If they hit on Howard/Scharping then the grade should be upgraded to an A. IMHO
 
OptimisticTexan said:
1. Grade the draft on paper.
2. Grade the draft on short term (1st year) results.
3. Grade the draft on long term (2-3 years) results.
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How can you even suggest such a thing? Don't you know that even before the draft, the Texans grade was a prejudged failure? That EVERYONE knew (or should have known) that Kirby Incompetence ALWAYS rules the day?

Just joking, guys. A bit of Saturday morning hyperbole for those who love their Negative Nancy glasses.
 
steelbtexan said:
I wonder what Dillard's run blocking grade was.

PFF proves what my eyes told me, the 2018 OL was really bad, probably only surpassed by the 2017 OL.
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You will only hear the accolades of his pass blocking PFF grades...........PFF has said that his team did not run the ball enough to give him a run blocking grade. To me, the PFF numbers on Dillard mean very little if anything. It's a system produced number.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
You will only hear the accolades of his pass blocking PFF grades...........PFF has said that his team did not run the ball enough to give him a run blocking grade. To me, the PFF numbers on Dillard mean very little if anything. It's a system produced number.
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Agreed

But Dillard has elite athletic traits and the Eagles thought enough of those traits to trade up and make Dillard their LT of the future. The future probably will be next yr given what you've recited about Peters injury history looks like.

This is what successful teams do Texans fans, they plan for the future without a drop off in play at certain positions. QB/LT/Edge/CB
 
steelbtexan said:
Agreed

But Dillard has elite athletic traits and the Eagles thought enough of those traits to trade up and make Dillard their LT of the future. The future probably will be next yr given what you've recited about Peters injury history looks like.

This is what successful teams do Texans fans, they plan for the future without a drop off in play at certain positions. QB/LT/Edge/CB
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We aren't talking about the past, we are talking about Dillard vs Howard re. readiness for week 1 for this team. And there is nothing at this point to point convincingly to the fact that Dillard would be any better prepared to hold down an NFL/Texans LT position week 1. It is now appropriate to stop beating a dead horse.........Dillard is not a Texan.............and let things play out before wasting so much energy into something that no longer matters.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
We aren't talking about the past, we are talking about Dillard vs Howard re. readiness for week 1 for this team. And there is nothing at this point to point convincingly to the fact that Dillard would be any better prepared to hold down an NFL/Texans LT position week 1. It is now appropriate to stop beating a dead horse.........Dillard is not a Texan.............and let things play out before wasting so much energy into something that no longer matters.
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Other than a wealth of game tape against higher competition.
 
infantrycak said:
Other than a wealth of game tape against higher competition.
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I'm sure that consoled many teams that picked up "can't lose" LTs that lost.

Dillard will be walking into a different world when he steps into the NFL world.

Cats Stats: Washington State’s pass-heavy offense presents unique test for Arizona defense
The offense the Arizona Wildcats will face Saturday night is unlike any other.

No one passes the ball more than Washington State. Others use principles of the “Air Raid” attack. Mike Leach’s Cougars run it in its purest form.

The offense is such an outlier that preparing to face WSU is akin to prepping for a triple-option attack — except that the run-pass ratios are reversed.

Just how extreme is Washington State’s offense? And why is it so effective? Here are some of the key numbers:
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