I thought BO'b was going to go heavy on TEs when he got here. I thought TEs were really important to his offense.
I hope you're right & we finally see the offense he's been trying to build.
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I thought BO'b was going to go heavy on TEs when he got here. I thought TEs were really important to his offense.
I hope you're right & we finally see the offense he's been trying to build.
Texas Jake
Rookie
If they solve the oline issues, this should be an exciting offense to watch. Even with the problems at oline, there were times last year we got glimpses before the injuries started piling up and we lost Fuller. With a healthy Nuk, Fuller, and QT at WR, even with an atrocious oline this offense is capable of putting up points.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Too funny. I surely hope with a good bed of health they offense will be much improved. Fingers crossed
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I wonder if he'll start Scharpring at RT and Warring at outside RT
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Scharping will get time at rt, rg, lg, lt, and center. He'll be proficient at none because of it.
HaveMercy
Passing Through
The way the Darren Fells quote is written confused me initially. It might look like he's saying there's a position called "Outside Left Tackle". I took another look and now think the word "the" is missing, as in he anticipates playing "outside THE Left Tackle." That puts him on the left side of the formation where he can help the Left Tackle when it's needed.
That may have been clear to all of you all along, but I'm late to the picnic sometimes.
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Fells was trying to make a "funny" by creating the term "outside left tackle............for the purpose of being the Oline's LT "reinforcement."
HaveMercy
Passing Through
As I said, I'm late to the picnic sometimes. Even the ants beat me.
Yes that's my interpretation too but doesn't really make me feel any better. I guess they plan on keeping the TEs back to chip often
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I doubt that is the plan. Fells will mainly be used as a blocker..........that is what he has been best known for and specifically brought in for. That will better free up the other 3 TEs to fulfill more direct score-productive functions..........something that they were not able to do in past years because the team was so caught up in keeping their QBs upright.
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badboy
Hall of Fame
I think there will be a backup at all positions to allow Scharping to focus on RT. I do get your point and hope those days are over.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I could see some short yardage situations featuring Fells outside LT, Thomas or Warring outside RT (chip receiver option) and a FB. It'll be up to Watson to find the mismatch or stick with the running play.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
I feel a lot better with those 3 TEs blocking than the likes of Stephen Anderson or Ryan Griffin.
Not just you, as I too was also confused about just what "outside LT" was supposed to mean ?
Number19
Hall of Fame
That would mean keeping 10 OL'men. What are the expectations for this? As I posted yesterday, we have 10 linemen most likely to stick. We likely will not keep all 10. Of course, some like Mancz can back up at three positions. I think a few posters say that we keep only two backups, that is only 7 linemen. This is in my opinion skating too close to the edge. Eight is more probable. I'd like to see US keep nine. We would only have to cut only one, if all made it through TC.
I think two different discussions here:
53 man roster- the Texans should carry 9 to 10
46 man game day roster- the Texans usually only carry 7 with 8 every blue moon
two to three intentionally inactive weekly
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Pro Football FocusVerified account@PFF
Since 2017 – Panthers OT Greg Little allowed a pressure on just 2.8% of his pass blocks – the fourth-best rate in the 2019 class
5:16 AM - 18 May 2019
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But look where Scharping falls............
Since 2017 – Panthers OT Greg Little allowed a pressure on just 2.8% of his pass blocks – the fourth-best rate in the 2019 class
5:16 AM - 18 May 2019
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But look where Scharping falls............
Pro Football FocusVerified account@PFF
Since 2017 – Panthers OT Greg Little allowed a pressure on just 2.8% of his pass blocks – the fourth-best rate in the 2019 class
5:16 AM - 18 May 2019
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But look where Scharping falls............
This is why I liked Little.
Pro Football FocusVerified account@PFF
Since 2017 – Panthers OT Greg Little allowed a pressure on just 2.8% of his pass blocks – the fourth-best rate in the 2019 class
5:16 AM - 18 May 2019
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But look where Scharping falls............
Ignore line 1 & line 5. Everybody knows PFF screws up line 1 & line 5.
Pro Football FocusVerified account@PFF
Since 2017 – Panthers OT Greg Little allowed a pressure on just 2.8% of his pass blocks – the fourth-best rate in the 2019 class
5:16 AM - 18 May 2019
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But look where Scharping falls............
It's good to see Scharping at the top but I wonder where Howard was on this list!
Also, I don't think this takes into account the "quality of your opponents" so Scharping should be at or near the top of this list. But, that just brings up the question, why was Howard not in the top 5 then?
It's good to see Scharping at the top but I wonder where Howard was on this list!
Also, I don't think this takes into account the "quality of your opponents" so Scharping should be at or near the top of this list. But, that just brings up the question, why was Howard not in the top 5 then?
That shows Scharping dominating lesser talent. Showing that he should be considered with the guys at the top level.
Howard... dude was a QB 5 years ago. A TE 3 years ago. Being in the conversation at all is a testament to the prospect he is... even if he's looked at as a 2nd round pick drafted 20 spots too early.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Little barely made the 900 pass blocking snap number to qualify for the shown stat. My guess is that Howard didn't make the cutoff.It's good to see Scharping at the top but I wonder where Howard was on this list!
Also, I don't think this takes into account the "quality of your opponents" so Scharping should be at or near the top of this list. But, that just brings up the question, why was Howard not in the top 5 then?
PFF link
Although from the same link:
Scharping played well against Burns and the MAC has had some pretty good pass rushers throughout the years.
HaveMercy
Passing Through
From all of the actual performance evidence we have so far, I think Howard and Scharping will do just fine. Could the Texans have done better than pick these two players? Maybe. Could they have done worse? Likely. Only time will tell.
The follow on question in my mind is how much additional average pocket time does the new line have to give Watson for our QB to really shine, kick tail, and take names as we used to say.
And, how much better does the run blocking have to be to get the yards per carry up to a scary-for-the-opponents number? That will have a big impact on them teeing off on Watson.
Couple that with improved TE blocking and receiving (and play design / play calling), our offense could be something special.
I'm jazzed.
The follow on question in my mind is how much additional average pocket time does the new line have to give Watson for our QB to really shine, kick tail, and take names as we used to say.
And, how much better does the run blocking have to be to get the yards per carry up to a scary-for-the-opponents number? That will have a big impact on them teeing off on Watson.
Couple that with improved TE blocking and receiving (and play design / play calling), our offense could be something special.
I'm jazzed.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/b5deqt/tytus_howard_breakdown_ot_prospect/
Dillard has twice the number of pass blocking snaps that Howard saw.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/b5deqt/tytus_howard_breakdown_ot_prospect/
Dillard has twice the number of pass blocking snaps that Howard saw.
Play design and play calling could do that with the personnel the Texans had pre daft...I mean draft...
That might very well be why the Texans chose Howard. Sit back, see what happens and form a valid post draft opinion sometime in late August to mid September.
HaveMercy
Passing Through
From the Dabo Sweeney thread... there's an interesting discussion about Davenport. Not wanting to get further off topic over there, I'm adding my comments here.
Has JDavenport been poorly coached, or it more a matter of his athletic limitations (a bit slow in the feet) holding him back?
My for what it's worth opinion:
The OL coaching likely didn't get the best out of him, but I'm not sure the coaching is to blame. It doesn't look from here that JDavenport's athletic ability (slower than optimal feet for a left tackle) allows for a lot of upside. With experience, maybe improved anticipation, sharpened technique, and game smarts will somewhat make up for his feet.
I have no doubt in my mind that he's really trying, but the likelihood is that he's simply near his athletic ceiling. No insult to him is meant, he's doing the best he can with what he has.
Has JDavenport been poorly coached, or it more a matter of his athletic limitations (a bit slow in the feet) holding him back?
My for what it's worth opinion:
The OL coaching likely didn't get the best out of him, but I'm not sure the coaching is to blame. It doesn't look from here that JDavenport's athletic ability (slower than optimal feet for a left tackle) allows for a lot of upside. With experience, maybe improved anticipation, sharpened technique, and game smarts will somewhat make up for his feet.
I have no doubt in my mind that he's really trying, but the likelihood is that he's simply near his athletic ceiling. No insult to him is meant, he's doing the best he can with what he has.
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dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
But, can he run block?.. or can he pass block from a running formation/set?
HaveMercy
Passing Through
Those are some of the big questions about both Howard and Scharping that won't have clear answers for awhile. But I feel certain that the Texans also thought long and hard about those same questions and decided that taking a chance on these two players was worth it.
Good questions.
We know "mobile" QBs take a lot of sacks regardless. So... I don't know. But we definitely have to improve our 3rd down run game. 3rd & short we need to be able to convert that on the ground. If we can that would help Watson & the passing game tremendously.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Trouble is we don't have a RB that is the type of RB BoB seems to only know how to use. Punch up the middle is fine if you have a RB that is a bulldozer and doesn't need to find a hole because he will make one. Its why I was in favor of signing Bell before the details of what all he wanted and what it would have cost to get him, assuming he would have come here, came out. The other option to get that is your Oline makes the hole but I'm not sure that this Oline will be able to do that even assuming our draft picks work out.
This is where its on the coach, you adjust the plan to fit the players you have, not keep trying to shove that square peg into that round hole. The hopeful side of me would like to say BoB will make that adjustment, the realistic side of me hopes the players can just make it work regardless and the cynical side of me is watching Baltimore my number two team.
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
For a RB to successfully run to the outside, it takes the an Oline that can give him time to get to the edge. Our Oline struggled with that task. For a RB to successfully run inside, an Oline has to be able to control the LOS and make holes. Our Oline struggled with that. No matter what type of RB is back there, his performance will be closely dependent upon the effectiveness of the Oline. Although our Oline looked better run blocking than pass blocking, they still were very inconsistent and struggled too much with that aspect of the game.
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maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Very true but it also doesn't help when the other team can say "Ok first and ten they're going to run it up the middle."
So you want them to run outside with Davenport/Lamm at OT and Griffin/Jordan's at TE? There's a reason they drafted 2 OT's and a TE in the 1st three rds.
LMAO
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
So you're saying that running up the middle on damn near every first down to the point where even someone that hates football can predict it, true story because my wife did in one of the very few times she watched a game, is any better?
So your saying running behind those OT'/TE's is going to be successful?
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Ah but see figuring out how to be successful with the RB and line we had that's not my job, see what I did there. That's BoBs job and its part that he did crap on. He could at least have changed it up a little, "ok guys this time we're going to run up the middle on second down, they'll never see that coming." I'm not saying he had much talent to work with but you go to war with the army you have and you still have to win the war even if your army is crap. If he could have done something, anything really, that made the run game at least a minor factor maybe our WRs wouldn't have been falling down like dominoes.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
This has been a long-time falsely-perpetuated premised assigned to the Texans and O'Brien. In 2018, the Texans ran on first down in only 28.61% of the time.............21st in the NFL.
2013 17th 29.32%
2014 4th 34.50%
2015 18th 26.65%
2016 6th 33.43%
2017 20th 27.48%
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
It's not merely rushing, it's the nature of the rush called.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Give it up Doc.
Knock down one narrative another gets introduced.
Water ain't wet if its frozen, sky ain't blue if it's nighttime go figure.
Knock down one narrative another gets introduced.
Water ain't wet if its frozen, sky ain't blue if it's nighttime go figure.
He did what you're saying to the tune of 11 wins and the 2nd most points scored in franchise history. Working with what he had and winning as much as he did despite the lack of talent.
If you take Watson's running yds out then the run game sucked just as bad as the 62 sacks allowed. The OL was literally the worst in the NFL by a good margin. Devlin should've been fired not allowed to have a say in drafting OL.