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State of the O-line

Could this draft have fallen any better for a Texans team in dire need of CB / OT ? …. wow.

Sitting at pick 22 with no CB's chosen and only one of the top OT's off the board.

No Wr's off the board either … strange draft.
 
Corrosion said:
Could this draft have fallen any better for a Texans team in dire need of CB / OT ? …. wow.

Sitting at pick 22 with no CB's chosen and only one of the top OT's off the board.

No Wr's off the board either … strange draft.
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So many defensive linemen off the board. Strange indeed
 
McClain: Texans' first steps in reshaping offensive line

John McClain , Houston Chronicle May 14, Updated: May 14, 2019 11:03 a.m.

Right tackle Seantrel Henderson, who suffered a season-ending ankle injury in the first quarter of the first game at New England last season, has been cleared to participate in OTAs. He'll be trying to hold off the competition from rookie Max Scharping, the second-round draft choice.

Julién Davenport, the returning starter at left tackle, enters his third season and is trying to withstand the challenge of first-round pick Tytus Howard and veteran Matt Kalil, who signed as a free agent. Kalil, who missed last season at Carolina because of a knee injury, is being brought along slowly until he's 100 percent and cleared to play.

That's five tackles for two starting positions, including a swing tackle who can play both sides and be active on game days.

Howard and Scharping started on both sides in college. Depending on how he develops and how Henderson performs, Scharping could get a chance to compete for a starting job at guard.

The starting guards from last season, Senio Kelemete (left side) and Zach Fulton (right) are returning. Matinas Rankin, a third-round pick last year, played tackle and guard as a rookie. He's going to compete for a starting job at left guard.

Greg Mancz returns as the backup center who also can play guard. He's been a reliable starter when pressed into service. He was active as the swing center/guard because he can play both positions.
the rest of the story
 
  1. Matt Hammond‏Verified account@MattHammondShow May 13
    First-round OTs since 2014. How they graded out in their first eight games as rookies vs. how they finished the season, per @PFF_Texans:

  2. 2018
  3. -Mike McGlinchey 80.2 | 73.2
  4. -Kolton Miller 54.7 | 48.2

  6. 2017 -
  7. Garett Bowles 75.1 | 72.9
  8. Ryan Ramczyk 70.6 | 81.2

  10. 2016
  11. - Ronnie Stanley 65.8 | 74.8
  12. - Jack Conklin 79.5 | 80.6
  13. - Taylor Decker 78.7 | 81.9 2015
  14. - Ereck Flowers 61.7 | 59.3
  15. - Andrus Peat 64.1 | 67.1

  17. 2014
  18. - Greg Robinson 59.3 | 66.2
  19. - Jake Matthews 82.9 | 80.9
  20. - Taylor Lewan 71.6 | 78.1
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
  1. Matt Hammond‏Verified account@MattHammondShow May 13
    First-round OTs since 2014. How they graded out in their first eight games as rookies vs. how they finished the season, per @PFF_Texans:

  2. 2018
  3. -Mike McGlinchey 80.2 | 73.2
  4. -Kolton Miller 54.7 | 48.2

  6. 2017 -
  7. Garett Bowles 75.1 | 72.9
  8. Ryan Ramczyk 70.6 | 81.2

  10. 2016
  11. - Ronnie Stanley 65.8 | 74.8
  12. - Jack Conklin 79.5 | 80.6
  13. - Taylor Decker 78.7 | 81.9 2015
  14. - Ereck Flowers 61.7 | 59.3
  15. - Andrus Peat 64.1 | 67.1

  17. 2014
  18. - Greg Robinson 59.3 | 66.2
  19. - Jake Matthews 82.9 | 80.9
  20. - Taylor Lewan 71.6 | 78.1
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Interesting that all improved second half until last year
 
Devlin has his work cut out for him. Hope we nay sayers are wrong and he is up to the task.

Beside the battle at the T positions a real battle should shape up at C.

Martin, Fulton or ?

Doc has expressed concern about Mantz status so there is that too.

Expecting any surprises from the UDFA linemen pickups?

:coffee:
 
gs27 said:
Every time it comes up about the Texans not drafting bad characters I think of this dipshits article.

http://houston.culturemap.com/news/...za-boy-watts-over-nick-fairley-houston-lover/
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Yea that's a great blast from the past.
The guy I really wanted the Texans to draft was Aldon Smith, Mizzou edge rusher, and I do remember being diappointed when we got this kid from Wisconsin instead.
Whatever happened to Aldon Smith, I dunno but probably still in rehab someplace, but hope he gets his life together someday.
 
IDEXAN said:
Yea that's a great blast from the past.
The guy I really wanted the Texans to draft was Aldon Smith, Mizzou edge rusher, and I do remember being diappointed when we got this kid from Wisconsin instead.
Whatever happened to Aldon Smith, I dunno but probably still in rehab someplace, but hope he gets his life together someday.
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He just got out of rehab ~1 month ago...........and is still putting in his domestic abuse counseling and community service. After his multitude of brushes with the law including DUIs and NFL substance abuse infractions, Smith was supposedly suspended from the NFL the end of 2015 for 1 year............but, although he applied for reinstatment to the NFL and the Raiders, since he continued to enjoy the close company of alcohol and the police with incidents such as hit and run under the influence...........and .then after consuming 3 bottle of tequila, he went on to assault his then fiance..............while on bail for significant domestic abuse charges, he ignored the protective order and tampered with his electronic monitor............April last year, he was again arrested for violations of his bail.............last Nov, he reached a plea deal for the abuse case, allowing him to sub jail time with the aforementioned rehab, counselling and community service...............he has never been re-instated.................and HEB has never asked him to endorse their liquor department.............
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
He just got out of rehab ~1 month ago...........and is still putting in his domestic abuse counseling and community service. After his multitude of brushes with the law including DUIs and NFL substance abuse infractions, Smith was supposedly suspended from the NFL the end of 2015 for 1 year............but, although he applied for reinstatment to the NFL and the Raiders, since he continued to enjoy the close company of alcohol and the police with incidents such as hit and run under the influence...........and .then after consuming 3 bottle of tequila, he went on to assault his then fiance..............while on bail for significant domestic abuse charges, he ignored the protective order and tampered with his electronic monitor............April last year, he was again arrested for violations of his bail.............last Nov, he reached a plea deal for the abuse case, allowing him to sub jail time with the aforementioned rehab, counselling and community service...............he has never been re-instated.................and HEB has never asked him to endorse their liquor department.............
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I sure am glad SF took him before the Texans could
 
Carr Bombed said:
Yeah, if I recall.. it was Wade's pick to make and Aldon Smith was his #1 player, but that's how it works out sometimes. To Wade's credit though.. Aldon Smith could play and was a beast, but he was also a huge dumbass.
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No, they had a trade in place to move up and take Patrick Peterson but he was taken 1 pick before their partner. RS asked Wade if he wanted to go ahead with the trade and take Aldon. Wade said no.
 
infantrycak said:
No, they had a trade in place to move up and take Patrick Peterson but he was taken 1 pick before their partner. RS asked Wade if he wanted to go ahead with the trade and take Aldon. Wade said no.
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I've never heard this story.

Where did you hear it from?

I believe this possibly could've happened.
 
TripleTap said:
Donald Penn is still out there. I don't care if he doesn't play a down for us, he'd be a great addition to the OL, just think of that. Can he be got on a one year for reasonable money? He can be a teacher/player/coach.

Why in heaven's name have the Texans not at least TRIED to sign him? This should be a thread of its own.

https://www.pro-football-reference....n=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-
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Cheaper than Kalil and more likely to make it thru a season. No idea why they went with Kalil.
 
  1. -Kolton Miller 54.7 | 48.2
CloakNNNdagger said:
  1. Matt Hammond‏Verified account@MattHammondShow May 13
    First-round OTs since 2014. How they graded out in their first eight games as rookies vs. how they finished the season, per @PFF_Texans:

  2. 2018
  3. -Mike McGlinchey 80.2 | 73.2
  4. -Kolton Miller 54.7 | 48.2

  6. 2017 -
  7. Garett Bowles 75.1 | 72.9
  8. Ryan Ramczyk 70.6 | 81.2

  10. 2016
  11. - Ronnie Stanley 65.8 | 74.8
  12. - Jack Conklin 79.5 | 80.6
  13. - Taylor Decker 78.7 | 81.9 2015
  14. - Ereck Flowers 61.7 | 59.3
  15. - Andrus Peat 64.1 | 67.1

  17. 2014
  18. - Greg Robinson 59.3 | 66.2
  19. - Jake Matthews 82.9 | 80.9
  20. - Taylor Lewan 71.6 | 78.1
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-Kolton Miller 54.7 | 48.2 This is the guy who's gonna play LT for the Raiders instead of Trent Brown, the high-priced Pats free agent & starting Super Bowl LT, who Oakland just signed. Who get's that ?
I dunno why
 
  1. -Kolton Miller 54.7 | 48.2
CloakNNNdagger said:
  1. Matt Hammond‏Verified account@MattHammondShow May 13
    First-round OTs since 2014. How they graded out in their first eight games as rookies vs. how they finished the season, per @PFF_Texans:

  2. 2018
  3. -Mike McGlinchey 80.2 | 73.2
  4. -Kolton Miller 54.7 | 48.2

  6. 2017 -
  7. Garett Bowles 75.1 | 72.9
  8. Ryan Ramczyk 70.6 | 81.2

  10. 2016
  11. - Ronnie Stanley 65.8 | 74.8
  12. - Jack Conklin 79.5 | 80.6
  13. - Taylor Decker 78.7 | 81.9 2015
  14. - Ereck Flowers 61.7 | 59.3
  15. - Andrus Peat 64.1 | 67.1

  17. 2014
  18. - Greg Robinson 59.3 | 66.2
  19. - Jake Matthews 82.9 | 80.9
  20. - Taylor Lewan 71.6 | 78.1
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-Kolton Miller 54.7 | 48.2 This is the guy who's gonna play LT for the Raiders instead of Trent Brown, the high-priced Pats free agent & starting Super Bowl LT, who Oakland just signed. Who get's that ?
 
IDEXAN said:
  1. -Kolton Miller 54.7 | 48.2
-Kolton Miller 54.7 | 48.2 This is the guy who's gonna play LT for the Raiders instead of Trent Brown, the high-priced Pats free agent & starting Super Bowl LT, who Oakland just signed. Who get's that ?
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Wow, and to think lots of guys in here were pounding the table, demanding Brian Gaine hand Trent Brown over a blank check to get him in here ASAP. LMAO! Boy am I glad they don’t let fans run the organization...
 
infantrycak said:
Putting Watt aside for a second, can you imagine Patrick Peterson & in his prime JJo? - KJax in the slot.
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Yep, I really wanted to trade up for Peterson.

Watt is one of the greatest DE's of all time. I great consolation prize.

Would you rather have Peterson (No Trades) or Watt?
 
Mangler said:
Wow, and to think lots of guys in here were pounding the table, demanding Brian Gaine hand Trent Brown over a blank check to get him in here ASAP. LMAO! Boy am I glad they don’t let fans run the organization...
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If I could "Like" this twice, I would. Keep it up, Mangler!
 
steelbtexan said:
Yep, I really wanted to trade up for Peterson.

Watt is one of the greatest DE's of all time. I great consolation prize.

Would you rather have Peterson (No Trades) or Watt?
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Personally, I'd choose Watt. Peterson would have been very good here, too, but JJ's impact is greater. Peterson's impact without JJ would be limited and opposing teams would scheme around him.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yep, I really wanted to trade up for Peterson.

Watt is one of the greatest DE's of all time. I great consolation prize.

Would you rather have Peterson (No Trades) or Watt?
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Tough one. JJ is the much greater player in the history of the game. But PP has never missed a game and may play another 8 years. JJ will be lucky to get thru 3. As a fan I'd pick JJ, as a GM PP.
 
infantrycak said:
Putting Watt aside for a second, can you imagine Patrick Peterson & in his prime JJo? - KJax in the slot.
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This all changes since we learned a few minutes ago that Peterson is suspended 8 games for what is apparently a PED violation.
As for Kareem Jackson, I'm wondering if his skillset (both plus and minus) meant he should have been moved to Safety years ago.
 
IDEXAN said:
  1. -Kolton Miller 54.7 | 48.2
-Kolton Miller 54.7 | 48.2 This is the guy who's gonna play LT for the Raiders instead of Trent Brown, the high-priced Pats free agent & starting Super Bowl LT, who Oakland just signed. Who get's that ?
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Mangler said:
Wow, and to think lots of guys in here were pounding the table, demanding Brian Gaine hand Trent Brown over a blank check to get him in here ASAP. LMAO! Boy am I glad they don’t let fans run the organization...
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HaveMercy said:
If I could "Like" this twice, I would. Keep it up, Mangler!
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So what's wrong with Miller's great 2018 stats? :toropalm: Granted he and the team allowed him to play through a grade II MCL tear, but he also showed himself to be severely football smarts challenged.............beyond .............there was no inkling of show of advancing his learning curve in the course of his play. Typically, a grade II MCL can heal well and without negative sequellae............but I wonder if this was even a grade II tear, in that during work outs within the last couple of weeks, he has reported that his knee remained "loose"................not good, a sign of a permanently stretched MCL and a setup for further knee injury.

“
Toward the end of the season, that’s when I felt better, and I got used to it,” Miller said. “I don’t think it’s ever going to be normal — you still feel a little bit of looseness — but it shouldn’t affect my game … A trainer said it’s kind of like working with spaghetti. (Laughs) They have compared people who have had surgery for it and people who haven’t and it ended up healing the same.”
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link

Of course, there have been enough moves to also question Gruden's football smarts.
 
steelbtexan said:
LMAO, why aren't they hungry every yr?
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Two reasons I can think of that this year is more intense.
1. The OL knows that last year's struggles were in large part due to their poor play. They're embarrassed.
2. They know that competition for their jobs means some of the linemen won't make it out of training camp, so these guys are fighting for their professional lives.
 
I'm going with #2

#1, they sucked the year before and sucked again last year.

Next yr the proof is going to be shown by Devlin and company.
 
TripleTap said:
Donald Penn is still out there. I don't care if he doesn't play a down for us, he'd be a great addition to the OL, just think of that. Can he be got on a one year for reasonable money? He can be a teacher/player/coach.

Why in heaven's name have the Texans not at least TRIED to sign him? This should be a thread of its own.
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Texans were looking at him back in March. Nothing ever came of it.
 
Penn???

steelbtexan said:
Tell him he's the starter and draft a guy. Let Penn, Draft pick, Henderson fight it out for the two OT spots
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steelbtexan said:
Freakin sad.

Sign him, bring him in and draft a guy. Start Penn and let him play so the new guy can learn under Penn until as CnD has said, Penn gets hurt again or Penn's play suffers because of the Lisfranc.

Geez this isn't brain surgery.

Davenport shouldn't be blocking any OL help. If he is then everybody in the Texans org should be fired.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Between his Lisfranc and severe groin tear injuries, he doesn't need to get injured any more to keep his downward spiral going. His 2018 PFF rating in the 4 games he managed to played was 47. Pushing off 315 lbs with a Lisfranc each and every play is not going to have him (or his groin) get better.

Maybe I have this take because I don't normally do brain surgery. :mcnugget:
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infantrycak said:
And Penn with his 174 starts, 3 pro bowls couldn't do that as well as Kalil with his 82 starts, 1 pro bowl? - at most likely half as much money and a much less serious injury history.

Oh wait, Kalil is 3" taller.
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Dont kill the messenger.
 
Darren Fells when recently interviewed was asked what his position he would play under the Texans...............his reply............"outside left tackle." It seems like this could very likely be part of the master plan of having Howard start at left tackle week 1.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Darren Fells when recently interviewed was asked what his position he would play under the Texans...............his reply............"outside left tackle." It seems like this could very likely be part of the master plan of having Howard start at left tackle week 1.
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Because Davenport doesn't need consistent help?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
No. Because if Davenport still needs permanent help at this point in time, I believe the Texans are more willing to put their greatest efforts into a LT with more upside potential and greater inherent athletic and learning ability
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Gotcha :ok:

You're expecting the Texans to use common folk logic, which wasn't used in the draft or in deciding last year's starting OL.

I'm with you Doc. Just lost trying to figure out what the Texans are doing.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Darren Fells when recently interviewed was asked what his position he would play under the Texans...............his reply............"outside left tackle." It seems like this could very likely be part of the master plan of having Howard start at left tackle week 1.
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Does Fells make the team? Depending on injuries during TC and how things shake out, this year may be an exception and we carry an extra OL'man. That spot has to come from somewhere. TE might be that position and we carry only three.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Including Fells, barring injuries, I totally expect the Texans to carry an unprecedented 4 TEs on the roster this season.
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So how many OL'men?

We have: Davenport, Kalil, Howard; Rankin & Kelemete; Martin & Mancz; Fulton; Henderson & Scharping.

If, a big if, all of these make it through TC, who makes the team and who is cut?
 
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