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Texansballer74

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Lol, Kelly was the only draftee that didn’t contribute last year. Great draft and he didn’t have much time to prepare for it. RS left with this team gutted. BG’s record is 11-5 with that OL. Not a bad start.

Bwhahaha has to be the funniest skit I've read on here thus far.
 

Texansballer74

The Marine
I dont see a well run Astros org getting bashed.

They take chances on guys and participate in FA as well as make trades that improve their nucleus,

Pressly/Cole/Osuna/Diaz trades. Notice how they took a chance on a top tier closer like Osuna despite the heat they knew they would take for making thie trade.

FA's Brantley/Chirinos/Miley

Even though they have a great core Luhnow is constantly trying to improve his team through ALL avenues. I wish other teams in this town would take notice and follow Luhnow's lead.

When you're pretty darn good it's really easier to acquire top level players. After the Astros won it all they're fortunate to pick from top of the liter. FA wants to come here now.
 

steelbtexan

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When you're pretty darn good it's really easier to acquire top level players. After the Astros won it all they're fortunate to pick from top of the liter. FA wants to come here now.
Ask yourself why FA's dont want to come play with Watson/Hopkins.

Watt/Clowney.

Do you ever see the Texans org making trades/or taking chances on guys like Osuna like Luhnow does? I dont
 

Texansballer74

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Ask yourself why FA's dont want to come play with Watson/Hopkins.

Watt/Clowney.

Do you ever see the Texans org making trades/or taking chances on guys like Osuna like Luhnow does? I dont

They haven't won skit that's why. When you're winning championships it's easier to acquire certain players.
 

infantrycak

Hall of Fame
Ask yourself why FA's dont want to come play with Watson/Hopkins.

Watt/Clowney.
All sorts of reasons for choices, medical care for a child, family location, climate, city, championship record... That's assuming equal offers and not simply outbid.

There's not one player or shred of evidence to say anyone has chosen because they simply don't want to play for the Texans.
 

steelbtexan

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All sorts of reasons for choices, medical care for a child, family location, climate, city, championship record... That's assuming equal offers and not simply outbid.

There's not one player or shred of evidence to say anyone has chosen because they simply don't want to play for the Texans.
They dont want to play for the Texans and that was TB's premise.

I'm asking why and it's mostly because the Texans org doesn't number 1 goal isn't trying to put the best team possible on the field each yr, vets know this and dont want to be a part of this unless they're getting top $$$$ which the Texans org hasn't been willing to pay for over a decade. IMHO

They either A. want to play for a contender, or B. want to make the most $$$$ possible. The Texans org doesn't give vets the opportunity to accomplish either one of these goals.
 

HaveMercy

Passing Through
It seems to me the discussion about Gaine is drawing inferences from very thin real evidence.

Personally, I like where it seems Gaine is taking the Texans, but I can't really back it up. It's just my gut feeling. I think we'll see the results gradually with the guys acquired over the next 2 seasons. Even then, the newest and youngest will take time to reach anywhere close to their potential. Notice I used the term "acquired", not "drafted", because we'll need to watch what he does with the UDFA's as well as with any veteran free agents and possible trades.

If the Texans get a player or two away from really contending, I imagine at that time they'll pursue the right fit from the veteran free agents and trades, but not really before then, because those guys will come at a cost that may not be worth what they add if we're not contending.

Also, within one or two more years, we'll see whether Cal is going to stick with OB. That will likely be the Devlin timeline, too, though this MB mostly thinks his time should have already been over.

We don't really know Gaine's attitude towards or influence over OB's position coaches. Gaine's influence may be more than we think but less than we'd like. If he does a good job of supplying talent, his influence will likely grow. But there's a lot of hidden inner-office and Cal-related delicate jockeying with that sort of influence and control.

Gaine is bound to see the pre-existing OL problems as resulting from a lack of healthy talent as well as suboptimal coaching. He's giving them talent. Gaine is also bound to see that OB really likes Devlin, so that makes replacing the OL coach a bit of a sticky wicket for Gaine.

Give it time. My instincts tell me that Gaine's influence and impact will grow. And I think that will be a good thing.
 

Texansphan

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I dont see a well run Astros org getting bashed.

They take chances on guys and participate in FA as well as make trades that improve their nucleus,

Pressly/Cole/Osuna/Diaz trades. Notice how they took a chance on a top tier closer like Osuna despite the heat they knew they would take for making thie trade.

FA's Brantley/Chirinos/Miley

Even though they have a great core Luhnow is constantly trying to improve his team through ALL avenues. I wish other teams in this town would take notice and follow Luhnow's lead.
The Astros shut their detractors up with a WS - taking out 3 of the most storied franchises in the process.
I'm sure I don't need to run through the shopping lists of the Texans and the Rockets over the years.
A swing and a miss is better than not swinging at all.
 

HaveMercy

Passing Through
The Astros shut their detractors up with a WS - taking out 3 of the most storied franchises in the process.
I'm sure I don't need to run through the shopping lists of the Texans and the Rockets over the years.
A swing and a miss is better than not swinging at all.
In football, a swing and a miss may cost the team more than the missed swing alone. It may cost them a real chance at the plate the next time around.

Plus, the Astros transactions are coming out ahead most often. Skipping bad outcomes takes a lot of doing. I'd like to think that's the skillset Gaine will prove to be good at.
 
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HaveMercy

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The Astros shut their detractors up with a WS - taking out 3 of the most storied franchises in the process.
I'm sure I don't need to run through the shopping lists of the Texans and the Rockets over the years.
A swing and a miss is better than not swinging at all.
Adding to what I just posted, I want Gaine to swing when it's the winning thing to do and NOT to swing when that's the winning thing to do.

Don't swing just to swing. All in baseball metaphors, of course.
 

JB

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Adding to what I just posted, I want Gaine to swing when it's the winning thing to do and NOT to swing when that's the winning thing to do.

Don't swing just to swing. All in baseball metaphors, of course.
:ok: But pro football a very different aminal... different prime ages and longevity for one

yes I spelled that exactly as intended
 

Texansballer74

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Are you trying to say the Texans are constantly doing everything possible to upgrade the talent on their team like the Astros do?

Every team attempts to upgrade their roster. It finally worked out for the Rams. But guess what the Rams could pull a Jaguars trick and fall back to the end of the pack.
 

Mr teX

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They dont want to play for the Texans and that was TB's premise.

I'm asking why and it's mostly because the Texans org doesn't number 1 goal isn't trying to put the best team possible on the field each yr, vets know this and dont want to be a part of this unless they're getting top $$$$ which the Texans org hasn't been willing to pay for over a decade. IMHO

They either A. want to play for a contender, or B. want to make the most $$$$ possible. The Texans org doesn't give vets the opportunity to accomplish either one of these goals.
Texans are just entering where the Astros were around 2013- 2014 when the nucleus of their current team was being formed. The only piece missing at that point was Bregs. But there was also some luck involved in how that team was built as well. Altuve wasn't supposed to be the monster he was. We also had Verlander drop in our lap at the trade deadline. The moves the Astros made to become what they are go far beyond these signings you're talking about.

Time will tell if some of these draft picks and moves BG have made will result in us becoming serious contenders. This is only BG's 2nd offseason.
 

JB

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Texans are just entering where the Astros were around 2013- 2014 when the nucleus of their current team was being formed. The only piece missing at that point was Bregs. But there was also some luck involved in how that team was built as well. Altuve wasn't supposed to be the monster he was. We also had Verlander drop in our lap at the trade deadline. The moves the Astros made to become what they are go far beyond these signings you're talking about.

Time will tell if some of these draft picks and moves BG have made will result in us becoming serious contenders. This is only BG's 2nd offseason.
Timeline is also huge... Astros didn't add a 'Verlander' until they were right there
 

steelbtexan

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Texans are just entering where the Astros were around 2013- 2014 when the nucleus of their current team was being formed. The only piece missing at that point was Bregs. But there was also some luck involved in how that team was built as well. Altuve wasn't supposed to be the monster he was. We also had Verlander drop in our lap at the trade deadline. The moves the Astros made to become what they are go far beyond these signings you're talking about.

Time will tell if some of these draft picks and moves BG have made will result in us becoming serious contenders. This is only BG's 2nd offseason.
Verlander didn't fall in their laps The aggressively made a trade.

Losing Aiken and getting Bregs was luck.

Recently adding Brantley/ Osuna/Pressley/Chirnos/Diaz thru trade/fa doesn't seem like a Texans type move.

Or at least it hasn't been for the last 15 years.
 

steelbtexan

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Texans are just entering where the Astros were around 2013- 2014 when the nucleus of their current team was being formed. The only piece missing at that point was Bregs. But there was also some luck involved in how that team was built as well. Altuve wasn't supposed to be the monster he was. We also had Verlander drop in our lap at the trade deadline. The moves the Astros made to become what they are go far beyond these signings you're talking about.

Time will tell if some of these draft picks and moves BG have made will result in us becoming serious contenders. This is only BG's 2nd offseason.
Verlander didn't fall in their laps The aggressively made a trade.

Losing Aiken and getting Bregs was luck.

Recently adding Brantley/ Osuna/Pressley/Chirnos/Diaz thru trade/fa doesn't seem like a Texans type move.

Or at least it hasn't been for the last 15 years.
 

steelbtexan

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The Astros shut their detractors up with a WS - taking out 3 of the most storied franchises in the process.
I'm sure I don't need to run through the shopping lists of the Texans and the Rockets over the years.
A swing and a miss is better than not swinging at all.
Amen

When have the Texans org ever swung and missed?
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
Verlander didn't fall in their laps The aggressively made a trade.

Losing Aiken and getting Bregs was luck.

Recently adding Brantley/ Osuna/Pressley/Chirnos/Diaz thru trade/fa doesn't seem like a Texans type move.

Or at least it hasn't been for the last 15 years.
It is well chronicled how that trade came down seconds before the deadline which is atypical for how trades are consumated on that level. Aside from that, Verlander had a full no-trade clause. So in essence, All it would've taken was a jacked up fax machine, someone missing a phone call or Verlander simply nixing the trade & it very likely wouldn't have happened despite their efforts to land him in the days weeks prior.

Luck in that he chose to come here.
 

JB

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It is well chronicled how that trade came down seconds before the deadline which is atypical for how trades are consumated on that level. Aside from that, Verlander had a full no-trade clause. So in essence, All it would've taken was a jacked up fax machine, someone missing a phone call or Verlander simply nixing the trade & it very likely wouldn't have happened despite their efforts to land him in the days weeks prior.

Luck in that he chose to come here.
Trying to confuse with facts?
 

Dejaview

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It is well chronicled how that trade came down seconds before the deadline which is atypical for how trades are consumated on that level. Aside from that, Verlander had a full no-trade clause. So in essence, All it would've taken was a jacked up fax machine, someone missing a phone call or Verlander simply nixing the trade & it very likely wouldn't have happened despite their efforts to land him in the days weeks prior.

Luck in that he chose to come here.
IMO he wanted a ring and we were his best chance.
 

steelbtexan

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It is well chronicled how that trade came down seconds before the deadline which is atypical for how trades are consumated on that level. Aside from that, Verlander had a full no-trade clause. So in essence, All it would've taken was a jacked up fax machine, someone missing a phone call or Verlander simply nixing the trade & it very likely wouldn't have happened despite their efforts to land him in the days weeks prior.

Luck in that he chose to come here.
Randy Johnson says hi

These types of trades happen all of the time in baseball at the deadline every year.

Bumgarner will be moved this year at the deadline. Hopefully to the Astros and luck won't be involved.
 

Mr teX

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Randy Johnson says hi

These types of trades happen all of the time in baseball at the deadline every year.

Bumgarner will be moved this year at the deadline. Hopefully to the Astros and luck won't be involved.
We're not talking about "deadline deals" we're talking about the type of deals that happen with only seconds to spare. You named 1 similar deal that happened 28 years ago. Quick name another.

You're also still discounting the fact that JV chose the Astros. IOW, the Astros could've offered the Tigers their entire farm system and could've been as aggressive as they wanted to.. it wouldn't have mattered. JV had to approve. All it could've taken for that deal to fall apart was JV's dislike of orbit.
 

Texansballer74

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Verlander didn't fall in their laps The aggressively made a trade.

Losing Aiken and getting Bregs was luck.

Recently adding Brantley/ Osuna/Pressley/Chirnos/Diaz thru trade/fa doesn't seem like a Texans type move.

Or at least it hasn't been for the last 15 years.

He basically did because at first he didn't want to come to Houston. The deal got done at the very last minute.
 

dream_team

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I dont see a well run Astros org getting bashed.

They take chances on guys and participate in FA as well as make trades that improve their nucleus,

Pressly/Cole/Osuna/Diaz trades. Notice how they took a chance on a top tier closer like Osuna despite the heat they knew they would take for making thie trade.

FA's Brantley/Chirinos/Miley

Even though they have a great core Luhnow is constantly trying to improve his team through ALL avenues. I wish other teams in this town would take notice and follow Luhnow's lead.
Ryan Pressly trade was under the radar for two low-level prospects.

Cole trade also involved none of our top prospects.

Diaz trade occurred because he was significantly cheaper than re-signing Marwin.

Chirinos was acquired because Astros saved a lot of money by declining Mcann’s option.

Miley was also acquired as a cheaper alternative to Keuchel.

Michael Brantley was their biggest offseason acquisition, and that was only at $15 mil/season.

Astros are where they are by making the smart moves, not simply being aggressive. Even the Verlander deal wouldn’t have happened if Detroit didn’t agree to pay for a lot of his salary.

There were “better” options this offseason. There was Patrick Corbin, Bryce Harper, Manny Machado, or even Dallas Keuchel. Astros were smart, they didn’t throw stupid money at those guys. They got cheaper (but smarter) alternatives. They also got a lot of these guys on one year deals. Sound familiar?
 

Dejaview

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I dont see a well run Astros org getting bashed.

They take chances on guys and participate in FA as well as make trades that improve their nucleus,

Pressly/Cole/Osuna/Diaz trades. Notice how they took a chance on a top tier closer like Osuna despite the heat they knew they would take for making thie trade.

FA's Brantley/Chirinos/Miley

Even though they have a great core Luhnow is constantly trying to improve his team through ALL avenues. I wish other teams in this town would take notice and follow Luhnow's lead.
Lol, don’t let a few facts get in the way of bashing the Texans FO. Under Lunhow the Astros were the worst team in baseball for a few years while they (finger italics) “built through the draft” to restock a depleted roster and farm system left by the past GM(s). Sound familiar? He got bashed for years with that plan but some of us saw and agreed with his model. When they were poised to make a run THEN they started getting aggressive to find the guys to get them over the top. BG’s clearly stated goal is to constantly improve the roster year round. Wish other posters in this town would take notice because I believe we are following his lead.
 

beerlover

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Problem with this draft is two-fold. The players drafted with exception of Scharping, are all projects. Two no successful attempt was made to add future or additional picks. So even if half these guys hit and make the 53 your going to be fighting against 31 teams for positioning again next draft without benefit of extra ammo. Like Chis Ballard says, “I don’t care how good your team is, every year you have to continue to fuel talent in. The only way you are going to do that is with the number of picks you have.”
 

steelbtexan

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We're not talking about "deadline deals" we're talking about the type of deals that happen with only seconds to spare. You named 1 similar deal that happened 28 years ago. Quick name another.

You're also still discounting the fact that JV chose the Astros. IOW, the Astros could've offered the Tigers their entire farm system and could've been as aggressive as they wanted to.. it wouldn't have mattered. JV had to approve. All it could've taken for that deal to fall apart was JV's dislike of orbit.
How about Price to the Blue Jays

Chapman to the Cubs

Darvish to the Dodgers, Gray to the Yankees
 

steelbtexan

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No, but it is diverse with different opinions. Yours always seem to come with, shall I say, a control element.
Control element. LMAO The McNair's set the agenda for how they want their franchise to be run. For years people said they were young owners and would learn how to build a contender. At some point you have to ask yourself if building a contender is important to them, since they are making money hand over fist.

You didn't answer my question about quitting trying.
 

OptimisticTexan

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Once in 17 yrs.

LMAO
In no way was I critiquing what you stated but merely adding that the Osweiler debacle was one instance. There are enough misses from the draft, free agency and the re-signing of Texans to fully explain why this franchise has firmly remained in their rut of mediocracy. I hope the 2018 and 2019 NFL Draft and FA period finally give the Texans some traction to crawl out of this 17 year rut.
 

Texansphan

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In no way was I critiquing what you stated but merely adding that the Osweiler debacle was one instance. There are enough misses from the draft, free agency and the re-signing of Texans to fully explain why this franchise has firmly remained in their rut of mediocracy. I hope the 2018 and 2019 NFL Draft and FA period finally give the Texans some traction to crawl out of this 17 year rut.
Not having a first and second last draft hurt us as well.
Two saving graces came despite losing those picks though - we got DW4 and JReid.
 

Mr teX

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Control element. LMAO The McNair's set the agenda for how they want their franchise to be run. For years people said they were young owners and would learn how to build a contender. At some point you have to ask yourself if building a contender is important to them, since they are making money hand over fist.

You didn't answer my question about quitting trying.
The mistake you're making is acting like your method is the only way of building a contender & that luck isn't a big part of that which is bad logic. The team that's been dominating the NFL the last 20 years was built almost ENTIRELY by luck. Go ask Pats fans who were around back then what they thought about their new owner when he hired a HC that had 36-44 record & 0 track record of winning anything. Obviously you're familiar with the sheer luck of landing arguably the greatest qb of all time in the 6th round.........and the series of events that got him into the starting gig.
 

steelbtexan

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The mistake you're making is acting like your method is the only way of building a contender & that luck isn't a big part of that which is bad logic. The team that's been dominating the NFL the last 20 years was built almost ENTIRELY by luck. Go ask Pats fans who were around back then what they thought about their new owner when he hired a HC that had 36-44 record & 0 track record of winning anything. Obviously you're familiar with the sheer luck of landing arguably the greatest qb of all time in the 6th round.........and the series of events that got him into the starting gig.
Yes it takes luck. Luck as in getting Brady in the 6th Rd type luck. Hiring BB wasn't luck, just somebody doing g a a great job of knowing who would be a great hire

The way I would like to see the Texans run isn't the only way to run a franchise, but it's the way every successful franchise is run. Excluding the Pats, who are the anomaly and even the Pats are more aggressive than the Texans.
 
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