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Lol, Kelly was the only draftee that didn’t contribute last year. Great draft and he didn’t have much time to prepare for it. RS left with this team gutted. BG’s record is 11-5 with that OL. Not a bad start.
I dont see a well run Astros org getting bashed.
They take chances on guys and participate in FA as well as make trades that improve their nucleus,
Pressly/Cole/Osuna/Diaz trades. Notice how they took a chance on a top tier closer like Osuna despite the heat they knew they would take for making thie trade.
FA's Brantley/Chirinos/Miley
Even though they have a great core Luhnow is constantly trying to improve his team through ALL avenues. I wish other teams in this town would take notice and follow Luhnow's lead.
Ask yourself why FA's dont want to come play with Watson/Hopkins.When you're pretty darn good it's really easier to acquire top level players. After the Astros won it all they're fortunate to pick from top of the liter. FA wants to come here now.
Ask yourself why FA's dont want to come play with Watson/Hopkins.
Watt/Clowney.
Do you ever see the Texans org making trades/or taking chances on guys like Osuna like Luhnow does? I dont
How many championships had the Rams won before they added Woods/Whitworth/Sullivan/Cooks/Suh/Talib/Peters in trade/FA?They haven't won skit that's why. When you're winning championships it's easier to acquire certain players.
All sorts of reasons for choices, medical care for a child, family location, climate, city, championship record... That's assuming equal offers and not simply outbid.Ask yourself why FA's dont want to come play with Watson/Hopkins.
Watt/Clowney.
Are you trying to say the Texans are constantly doing everything possible to upgrade the talent on their team like the Astros do?The Rams are not getting upgrades consistently like that every year. Terrible example.
They dont want to play for the Texans and that was TB's premise.All sorts of reasons for choices, medical care for a child, family location, climate, city, championship record... That's assuming equal offers and not simply outbid.
There's not one player or shred of evidence to say anyone has chosen because they simply don't want to play for the Texans.
The Astros shut their detractors up with a WS - taking out 3 of the most storied franchises in the process.I dont see a well run Astros org getting bashed.
They take chances on guys and participate in FA as well as make trades that improve their nucleus,
Pressly/Cole/Osuna/Diaz trades. Notice how they took a chance on a top tier closer like Osuna despite the heat they knew they would take for making thie trade.
FA's Brantley/Chirinos/Miley
Even though they have a great core Luhnow is constantly trying to improve his team through ALL avenues. I wish other teams in this town would take notice and follow Luhnow's lead.
In football, a swing and a miss may cost the team more than the missed swing alone. It may cost them a real chance at the plate the next time around.The Astros shut their detractors up with a WS - taking out 3 of the most storied franchises in the process.
I'm sure I don't need to run through the shopping lists of the Texans and the Rockets over the years.
A swing and a miss is better than not swinging at all.
Adding to what I just posted, I want Gaine to swing when it's the winning thing to do and NOT to swing when that's the winning thing to do.The Astros shut their detractors up with a WS - taking out 3 of the most storied franchises in the process.
I'm sure I don't need to run through the shopping lists of the Texans and the Rockets over the years.
A swing and a miss is better than not swinging at all.
But pro football a very different aminal... different prime ages and longevity for oneAdding to what I just posted, I want Gaine to swing when it's the winning thing to do and NOT to swing when that's the winning thing to do.
Don't swing just to swing. All in baseball metaphors, of course.
Are you trying to say the Texans are constantly doing everything possible to upgrade the talent on their team like the Astros do?
Texans are just entering where the Astros were around 2013- 2014 when the nucleus of their current team was being formed. The only piece missing at that point was Bregs. But there was also some luck involved in how that team was built as well. Altuve wasn't supposed to be the monster he was. We also had Verlander drop in our lap at the trade deadline. The moves the Astros made to become what they are go far beyond these signings you're talking about.They dont want to play for the Texans and that was TB's premise.
I'm asking why and it's mostly because the Texans org doesn't number 1 goal isn't trying to put the best team possible on the field each yr, vets know this and dont want to be a part of this unless they're getting top $$$$ which the Texans org hasn't been willing to pay for over a decade. IMHO
They either A. want to play for a contender, or B. want to make the most $$$$ possible. The Texans org doesn't give vets the opportunity to accomplish either one of these goals.
Timeline is also huge... Astros didn't add a 'Verlander' until they were right thereTexans are just entering where the Astros were around 2013- 2014 when the nucleus of their current team was being formed. The only piece missing at that point was Bregs. But there was also some luck involved in how that team was built as well. Altuve wasn't supposed to be the monster he was. We also had Verlander drop in our lap at the trade deadline. The moves the Astros made to become what they are go far beyond these signings you're talking about.
Time will tell if some of these draft picks and moves BG have made will result in us becoming serious contenders. This is only BG's 2nd offseason.
Verlander didn't fall in their laps The aggressively made a trade.Texans are just entering where the Astros were around 2013- 2014 when the nucleus of their current team was being formed. The only piece missing at that point was Bregs. But there was also some luck involved in how that team was built as well. Altuve wasn't supposed to be the monster he was. We also had Verlander drop in our lap at the trade deadline. The moves the Astros made to become what they are go far beyond these signings you're talking about.
Time will tell if some of these draft picks and moves BG have made will result in us becoming serious contenders. This is only BG's 2nd offseason.
Verlander didn't fall in their laps The aggressively made a trade.Texans are just entering where the Astros were around 2013- 2014 when the nucleus of their current team was being formed. The only piece missing at that point was Bregs. But there was also some luck involved in how that team was built as well. Altuve wasn't supposed to be the monster he was. We also had Verlander drop in our lap at the trade deadline. The moves the Astros made to become what they are go far beyond these signings you're talking about.
Time will tell if some of these draft picks and moves BG have made will result in us becoming serious contenders. This is only BG's 2nd offseason.
Or notEvery team attempts to upgrade their roster. It finally worked out for the Rams. But guess what the Rams could pull a Jaguars trick and fall back to the end of the pack.
AmenThe Astros shut their detractors up with a WS - taking out 3 of the most storied franchises in the process.
I'm sure I don't need to run through the shopping lists of the Texans and the Rockets over the years.
A swing and a miss is better than not swinging at all.
It is well chronicled how that trade came down seconds before the deadline which is atypical for how trades are consumated on that level. Aside from that, Verlander had a full no-trade clause. So in essence, All it would've taken was a jacked up fax machine, someone missing a phone call or Verlander simply nixing the trade & it very likely wouldn't have happened despite their efforts to land him in the days weeks prior.Verlander didn't fall in their laps The aggressively made a trade.
Losing Aiken and getting Bregs was luck.
Recently adding Brantley/ Osuna/Pressley/Chirnos/Diaz thru trade/fa doesn't seem like a Texans type move.
Or at least it hasn't been for the last 15 years.
Zero? The same amount they’ve won after adding all them players.How many championships had the Rams won before they added Woods/Whitworth/Sullivan/Cooks/Suh/Talib/Peters in trade/FA?
Trying to confuse with facts?It is well chronicled how that trade came down seconds before the deadline which is atypical for how trades are consumated on that level. Aside from that, Verlander had a full no-trade clause. So in essence, All it would've taken was a jacked up fax machine, someone missing a phone call or Verlander simply nixing the trade & it very likely wouldn't have happened despite their efforts to land him in the days weeks prior.
Luck in that he chose to come here.
IMO he wanted a ring and we were his best chance.It is well chronicled how that trade came down seconds before the deadline which is atypical for how trades are consumated on that level. Aside from that, Verlander had a full no-trade clause. So in essence, All it would've taken was a jacked up fax machine, someone missing a phone call or Verlander simply nixing the trade & it very likely wouldn't have happened despite their efforts to land him in the days weeks prior.
Luck in that he chose to come here.
Randy Johnson says hiIt is well chronicled how that trade came down seconds before the deadline which is atypical for how trades are consumated on that level. Aside from that, Verlander had a full no-trade clause. So in essence, All it would've taken was a jacked up fax machine, someone missing a phone call or Verlander simply nixing the trade & it very likely wouldn't have happened despite their efforts to land him in the days weeks prior.
Luck in that he chose to come here.
At least they went for itZero? The same amount they’ve won after adding all them players.
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We're not talking about "deadline deals" we're talking about the type of deals that happen with only seconds to spare. You named 1 similar deal that happened 28 years ago. Quick name another.Randy Johnson says hi
These types of trades happen all of the time in baseball at the deadline every year.
Bumgarner will be moved this year at the deadline. Hopefully to the Astros and luck won't be involved.
Verlander didn't fall in their laps The aggressively made a trade.
Losing Aiken and getting Bregs was luck.
Recently adding Brantley/ Osuna/Pressley/Chirnos/Diaz thru trade/fa doesn't seem like a Texans type move.
Or at least it hasn't been for the last 15 years.
These guys say hiAmen
When have the Texans org ever swung and missed?
Ryan Pressly trade was under the radar for two low-level prospects.I dont see a well run Astros org getting bashed.
They take chances on guys and participate in FA as well as make trades that improve their nucleus,
Pressly/Cole/Osuna/Diaz trades. Notice how they took a chance on a top tier closer like Osuna despite the heat they knew they would take for making thie trade.
FA's Brantley/Chirinos/Miley
Even though they have a great core Luhnow is constantly trying to improve his team through ALL avenues. I wish other teams in this town would take notice and follow Luhnow's lead.
Lol, don’t let a few facts get in the way of bashing the Texans FO. Under Lunhow the Astros were the worst team in baseball for a few years while they (finger italics) “built through the draft” to restock a depleted roster and farm system left by the past GM(s). Sound familiar? He got bashed for years with that plan but some of us saw and agreed with his model. When they were poised to make a run THEN they started getting aggressive to find the guys to get them over the top. BG’s clearly stated goal is to constantly improve the roster year round. Wish other posters in this town would take notice because I believe we are following his lead.I dont see a well run Astros org getting bashed.
They take chances on guys and participate in FA as well as make trades that improve their nucleus,
Pressly/Cole/Osuna/Diaz trades. Notice how they took a chance on a top tier closer like Osuna despite the heat they knew they would take for making thie trade.
FA's Brantley/Chirinos/Miley
Even though they have a great core Luhnow is constantly trying to improve his team through ALL avenues. I wish other teams in this town would take notice and follow Luhnow's lead.
Ed Reid, Brock O.Amen
When have the Texans org ever swung and missed?
Brock Osweler was a 3 swing miss. Strike 1 when he was signed to a crazy contract. Strike 2 when he actually QB'ed. Strike 3 when the team traded and got horribly screwed in the process.Amen
When have the Texans org ever swung and missed?
How about Price to the Blue JaysWe're not talking about "deadline deals" we're talking about the type of deals that happen with only seconds to spare. You named 1 similar deal that happened 28 years ago. Quick name another.
You're also still discounting the fact that JV chose the Astros. IOW, the Astros could've offered the Tigers their entire farm system and could've been as aggressive as they wanted to.. it wouldn't have mattered. JV had to approve. All it could've taken for that deal to fall apart was JV's dislike of orbit.
Once in 17 yrs.Brock Osweler was a 3 swing miss. Strike 1 when he was signed to a crazy contract. Strike 2 when he actually QB'ed. Strike 3 when the team traded and got horribly screwed in the process.
You want more misses? Point is they swung.Once in 17 yrs.
LMAO
More like accidentally tripped over their d!cks.You want more misses? Point is they swung.
No, but it is diverse with different opinions. Yours always seem to come with, shall I say, a control element.More like accidentally tripped over their d!cks.
So lets stop trying.
F'n Great
This fanbase has been properly conditioned.
Control element. LMAO The McNair's set the agenda for how they want their franchise to be run. For years people said they were young owners and would learn how to build a contender. At some point you have to ask yourself if building a contender is important to them, since they are making money hand over fist.No, but it is diverse with different opinions. Yours always seem to come with, shall I say, a control element.
In no way was I critiquing what you stated but merely adding that the Osweiler debacle was one instance. There are enough misses from the draft, free agency and the re-signing of Texans to fully explain why this franchise has firmly remained in their rut of mediocracy. I hope the 2018 and 2019 NFL Draft and FA period finally give the Texans some traction to crawl out of this 17 year rut.Once in 17 yrs.
LMAO
Not having a first and second last draft hurt us as well.In no way was I critiquing what you stated but merely adding that the Osweiler debacle was one instance. There are enough misses from the draft, free agency and the re-signing of Texans to fully explain why this franchise has firmly remained in their rut of mediocracy. I hope the 2018 and 2019 NFL Draft and FA period finally give the Texans some traction to crawl out of this 17 year rut.
The mistake you're making is acting like your method is the only way of building a contender & that luck isn't a big part of that which is bad logic. The team that's been dominating the NFL the last 20 years was built almost ENTIRELY by luck. Go ask Pats fans who were around back then what they thought about their new owner when he hired a HC that had 36-44 record & 0 track record of winning anything. Obviously you're familiar with the sheer luck of landing arguably the greatest qb of all time in the 6th round.........and the series of events that got him into the starting gig.Control element. LMAO The McNair's set the agenda for how they want their franchise to be run. For years people said they were young owners and would learn how to build a contender. At some point you have to ask yourself if building a contender is important to them, since they are making money hand over fist.
You didn't answer my question about quitting trying.
Yes it takes luck. Luck as in getting Brady in the 6th Rd type luck. Hiring BB wasn't luck, just somebody doing g a a great job of knowing who would be a great hireThe mistake you're making is acting like your method is the only way of building a contender & that luck isn't a big part of that which is bad logic. The team that's been dominating the NFL the last 20 years was built almost ENTIRELY by luck. Go ask Pats fans who were around back then what they thought about their new owner when he hired a HC that had 36-44 record & 0 track record of winning anything. Obviously you're familiar with the sheer luck of landing arguably the greatest qb of all time in the 6th round.........and the series of events that got him into the starting gig.