TripleTap
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Call me crazy but I doubt OB had much to do with Gronk or, for that matter, the whole NE offense. He was a water boy wearing a costume designed by BB.
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Call me crazy but I doubt OB had much to do with Gronk or, for that matter, the whole NE offense. He was a water boy wearing a costume designed by BB.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Hope was he fell off the same tree
Of course he was.
These are the kinds of things you have to do when you have a bunch of backups playing on the OL.
In my opinion the thing that makes O'Brian a bad head coach is he has consistently lost against teams with a winning record. His regular season record against teams above 500 is very close to his playoff record. No matter who he has as QB or GM or owner, the one constant is he can beat bad teams and almost always chokes against good teams. At this point O'Brian is the only common denominator left.
His record against teams above 500:
11/27 .289
His playoff record:
1/3 .250
His record against teams above 500:
11/27 .289
His playoff record:
1/3 .250
That is a valid argument to a point. All teams & coaches deal with similar problems but to quote Clint Eastwood from Heartbreak Ridge the good ones "Improvise, Adapt and Overcome". I just don't see much flexibility in O'Brian's approach to the offense. He seems to enjoy forcing square pegs into round holes.
I just think comparing OB to a war time hero is a bad analogy
agreed... he uses guys as he wants them to be instead of what they are
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
are you serious? LMAO you gonna call Clint Eastwoods CHARACTER a war time hero? God Almighty that is GRAND! @mws I thought it was a good analogy! Shows how leaders have to do the best with what they have instead of just running a full charge up the middle 20 times a game! LOL OMG some people on this site truly do give me the chuckles at times nice job JB!
are you serious? LMAO you gonna call Clint Eastwoods CHARACTER a war time hero? God Almighty that is GRAND! @mws I thought it was a good analogy! Shows how leaders have to do the best with what they have instead of just running a full charge up the middle 20 times a game! LOL OMG some people on this site truly do give me the chuckles at times nice job JB!
The character he was portraying was a true war time hero. Not Eastwood himself of course but that don't matter to you does it?
HaveMercy
Passing Through
Managing is as much art as it is science. OB is a good coach (note that I didn't say head coach or OC) but may be better suited to be a position coach. A position coach can get lost in the details. A head coach has to be able to get down in the details, too, but not get lost there...he has to always keep a bigger picture perspective. It goes back to the saying about Can't see the forest for the trees. I think that's one of OB's weaknesses. That could account for his apparent inability to see Devlin the way most of us do, or see that the flip flopping with Rankin & Davenport last year made little sense, or see that time and game management need more of his attention.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
So now this site is about the fantasy war time hero stuff? And accusing others who dont agree about being 'anti fantasy war time hero MAGA munching flag burners? LMAO. Too funny.
fantasy? You think the Korean war was fantasy?
I don't think he really ever developed past QB coach in NE. He got that OC title for one year, then he went to Penn State because Belichick wanted McDaniels back.
HaveMercy
Passing Through
And none of us think he was really pulling the strings as OC in New England. You're making the point that he really wasn't seasoned enough before becoming HC here. I agree. But I think it also runs deeper than that. Few folks are mentally equipped to see the forest and the trees with equal clarity...at the same time. We see OB on the sideline...he's really getting into play calling (and he's not especially good at that, either), but that's what gets his blood flowing. He's more of a lost in the details guy. He loses his feel for the forest.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
I still think using a war time character a bad analogy for a football coach. Never said OB was good at his job, but c'mon man.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Lol who are u ...or we as fans to say whether guys are being used right though? Why are u as an outsider who doesn’t work with these guys on a daily basis more qualified to say whether or not a guy is being used and or evaluated properly?
Did you think Rankin starting at LT and moving Davenport to RT was a good idea? Do you think Lamar Miller up the middle is the best use of his skills? Should we use Watt in the redzone?
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Given how bad Davenport was playing at LT at the time, it couldn’t have gotten any worse trying Rankin at LT ...a position he played in college and was most comfortable at..and a guy with more overall talent than the incumbent.
Running Lamar Miller up the middle has been the best way to keep him involved in the offense and the running game viable when u can’t set the edge for off tackle stuff b/c your tackles/o-line has been trash. Still, the Dude was able to rip off a 95 yd TD and when u look at it from a statistical standpoint, he’s been putting up numbers very close to his career year in Miami.
Using JJ in the offense that year didn’t hurt us not 1 bit..it actually helped. Don’t see how u can see this as a bad thing.
Regardless, you expect this dude to be perfect in his decisions about everything & that’s just not realistic.
results tell the tale
points to 11-5 in 5... 4... 3... 2...
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
So now this site is about the fantasy war time hero stuff? And accusing others who dont agree about being 'anti fantasy war time hero MAGA munching flag burners? LMAO. Too funny.
Just proves we’ll go on for 175 pages about anything.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
You would have to give credit to OB for winning 9 straight after a potential catastrophic 0-3 start. Iow, he adjusted and turned it around.results tell the tale
points to 11-5 in 5... 4... 3... 2...
Last year was the best record O'Brian has achieved and even then he was unable to win even half of the games against winning teams.
Record against teams over 500 in 2018:
3/4 .429
Until he can consistently challenge the better teams we are just spinning our wheels & wasting valuable years of our best players career.
Record against teams over 500 in 2018:
3/4 .429
Until he can consistently challenge the better teams we are just spinning our wheels & wasting valuable years of our best players career.
I'm not sure who should get the 'credit' at this point.... right now I'm thinking the vet players sucked it up and played harder and brought the rest with 'em. but I can't prove that either.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Wel there are objective ways to look at it too.
For example:-
1. last season was our shiny new qbs 2nd year. His next I think will see even more maturity.
2. Our oline has been turrible, but showed a glimmer of improvement towards the end od of last season.
3. Our running game left a lot to be desired last season - partly due to #2.
4. Our secondary play was not as good as the previous year.
I would have to say there is more reason to be optimistic than the opposite.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
You act like we were out there getting lit up every game with no chance to win against winning teams. We do consistently challenge & the only game against a winning team you can say we were soundly defeated in last year was the 1st game of the season against the Pats. All the others we had chances to win or tie late and the on-field talent failed in 1 fashion or another. Whether it was the defense failing to stop Foles after we took the lead in Philly.............or JD Clowney jumping offsides against the Colts on a 3rd & 1 late...the games were there to be had. That's why the saying is "players make plays..." not "coaches make calls".
I can't argue with this. You are completely right. But this time I'll quote an actual football coach not a fictitious war hero so I won't offend anybody. "You are what your record says you are." – Bill Parcells. And our record under O'Brian against winning teams says that when we play an above 500 team there is a 70% chance that we will lose. Last year no matter how close we were we still lost 62% of the time (including playoffs).
Having said that I'm always optimistic at this time of year that it could change. It just gets harder & harder to believe that O'Brian is really a good coach that has had some bad breaks after 5 years of the same thing. I'll gladly be proved wrong though.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Five years in and we're still dealing in moral victories.
Its ok, we consistently challenge
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
This year will be the year we don't get our assholes plunged in the playoffs after disgustingly underwhelming performances throughout the regular season! Honest!
One theme every year on offense is that the guys OBrien wants can be very strange picks and signings. Crennels defensive acquisitions tend to be more "textbook" or even "moneyball" in terms of value.
How can we be surprised after Obrien brought in Matt Khalil and Seantrel Henderson, for example? Or his only speed off-season? Or two nonblocking TEs last year?
Howard is no different. But I feel I would have loved him in the 2nd so maybe it works out.
How can we be surprised after Obrien brought in Matt Khalil and Seantrel Henderson, for example? Or his only speed off-season? Or two nonblocking TEs last year?
Howard is no different. But I feel I would have loved him in the 2nd so maybe it works out.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
And both sucked when it counted most last year.
Gaine interview 1st round
https://www.houstontexans.com/video/brian-gaine-on-drafting-alabama-state-tackle-tytus-howard
https://www.houstontexans.com/video/brian-gaine-on-drafting-alabama-state-tackle-tytus-howard
@evansilva
#Texans so fortunate to have luckboxed into Deshaun Watson being a hit. Not a well-run team.
#Texans so fortunate to have luckboxed into Deshaun Watson being a hit. Not a well-run team.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
I’ll be honest I find posts like this pointless. For every talking head out there saying one thing you can find another saying the exact opposite. It doesn’t prove or add anything to a discussion beyond showing that someone else has the same opinion you do.
Can you really find a lot of talking heads saying the Texans are a well run franchise?
I think it's relevant to the thread and to the draft.
We just saw the Texans say they would take bpa, but after allegedly failing to trade up and take their guy, they panic and take the next OT. Then after a run of CBs they take the next CB.
And they add their 4th TE in two years.
And they can't figure out if rankin is a guard or ot.
This isn't new. We see crap like this every year.
Is that because we will not be in the playoffs?
With our brain trust they don't see things until it is TOO LATE.
Last year
OL bad
WR weak and still depending on Fuller
Secondary weak
RB below average
This year
OL bad. Bad luck that Watson injured. Bull **** with our OL it will be a miracle if he isn't
WR weak and still counting on Fuller and Coutee Bad luck they got hurt again. Bullshit what did you expect.
RB is an issue again. Brain trust says "Don't know what happened" Miller hurt and lost a step. Bullshit
Not trading Clowney this year ( Comes into camp out of shape and it takes 4 games to get game ready and then he has many minor no major injuries that affect his play this year ) Less value in trade next year plus after this season do they even dare franchise again. Bad luck says the Brains. Bullshit
Texans end up in lower quarter and we are told bad luck and injuries. BULLSHIT.
Last year
OL bad
WR weak and still depending on Fuller
Secondary weak
RB below average
This year
OL bad. Bad luck that Watson injured. Bull **** with our OL it will be a miracle if he isn't
WR weak and still counting on Fuller and Coutee Bad luck they got hurt again. Bullshit what did you expect.
RB is an issue again. Brain trust says "Don't know what happened" Miller hurt and lost a step. Bullshit
Not trading Clowney this year ( Comes into camp out of shape and it takes 4 games to get game ready and then he has many minor no major injuries that affect his play this year ) Less value in trade next year plus after this season do they even dare franchise again. Bad luck says the Brains. Bullshit
Texans end up in lower quarter and we are told bad luck and injuries. BULLSHIT.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
This draft hasn’t been exciting, especially since I saw Philly take two players I liked right before us. OB is untouchable. If these picks don’t pan out they’ll just get another GM to get aligned with the coach.
Ob's not going anywhere. He has a knack for grooming scapegoats. This year Devlin will be to blame. Next up? The new oc. That's assuming ofcourse he cant play the injury card.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I wonder if OB having a OC this year is a coincidence, a product of Cal, of Easterby, or something else.
vtech9
All Pro
Well, I didn't expect it to happen this fast, but it looks like you were right.This draft hasn’t been exciting, especially since I saw Philly take two players I liked right before us. OB is untouchable. If these picks don’t pan out they’ll just get another GM to get aligned with the coach.
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