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Brainy Brian? Boy Wonder? Grainy Gainey? need something ready to go as soon as these decisions start to bite him in the ass (then again in the end arent they Buttchins decisions? So Brian would just be another fall guy like Rick)
 
Uncle Rico said:
Brainy Brian? Boy Wonder? Grainy Gainey? need something ready to go as soon as these decisions start to bite him in the ass (then again in the end arent they Buttchins decisions? So Brian would just be another fall guy like Rick)
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If the former GM was good in the draft I would agree with you. But he wasn't for over a decade and that was thru 2 different regimes. He wasn't a fall guy. He was just a guy who wasn't very good at his job.
 
dream_team said:
Also take a look at what’s going on at KC. I know a lot of people on here applaud Dorsey as a great GM because he’s willing to take on talented players with questionable character. But they lost Peters, Hunt, and now possibly Tyreek, for basically nothing.
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I would rather take chances than do nothing.

Get the best players possible and take your chances o win a SB.

Even if you're right the Chiefs are still one of the favorites to win the SB.
 
dream_team said:
Also take a look at what’s going on at KC. I know a lot of people on here applaud Dorsey as a great GM because he’s willing to take on talented players with questionable character. But they lost Peters, Hunt, and now possibly Tyreek, for basically nothing.
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KC is stacking up to go all in next season.

Hill? Why are you bringing him up? He isn't suspended at all. And even if he is, how is that their fault? He's an amazing player that has dominated for them. They can't control the violence he causes off the field which you still don't even know if its fact or not. Hunt wasn't their fault either. Peters was a good guy to get rid of and not overpay.

There are questionable moves they've made to move forward, but none of the ones that you mentioned.
 
We know teams have a board, but the team also has glaring needs on the OL and at CB. The question they will ask themselves as the picks come up is this player good enough to justify us not taking the bpa at each selection.
 
texanhead08 said:
We know teams have a board, but the team also has glaring needs on the OL and at CB. The question they will ask themselves as the picks come up is this player good enough to justify us not taking the bpa at each selection.
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The other question we have to ask is "Is 1 or 2 (subjective) percentage points enough to warrant passing on a good player at PON?"
 
In other words, if the clear cut BPA is not at a position of need but, without making a big reach, another player fits well at a position of need, do you skip the BPA and take the needed player (as long as it's a small reach only)?
If, for example, you'd be taking the player at a position of need a half dozen or so picks before he becomes the BPA...I'd say go for it.
 
Texansphan said:
The other question we have to ask is "Is 1 or 2 (subjective) percentage points enough to warrant passing on a good player at PON?"
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I wonder if there are any stats showing which position gives you the fastest return? “This is a weak O-line class” is all I hear every offseason, so isn’t the obvious answer to roll with a cornerback? For the record, I don’t believe this is a weak O-line class. In fact, it may heavier than usual giving us a better shot at finally getting one of, if not both tackle spots, or a Tackle and at a least one of the inside spots taken care of.

On the BPA question: I feel it’s only ok to pass on the BPA if a player of a need position is somehow still on the board, and it’s a tackle or guard we just can’t pass on. If the Tackle on our wish list isn’t there, go BPA.

Hell, I’d personally take a potential shutdown corner over any of the tackles or guards the Texans after thinking about selecting. I trust Crennel over Devlin any day of the week!
 
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HaveMercy said:
In other words, if the clear cut BPA is not at a position of need but, without making a big reach, another player fits well at a position of need, do you skip the BPA and take the needed player (as long as it's a small reach only)?
If, for example, you'd be taking the player at a position of need a half dozen or so picks before he becomes the BPA...I'd say go for it.
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I’d say trade down, if at all possible.
 
HaveMercy said:
In other words, if the clear cut BPA is not at a position of need but, without making a big reach, another player fits well at a position of need, do you skip the BPA and take the needed player (as long as it's a small reach only)?
If, for example, you'd be taking the player at a position of need a half dozen or so picks before he becomes the BPA...I'd say go for it.
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Who judges BPA? BPA for the Cowboys won't be the same as BPA for the Texans. All teams will assign grades according to how they view the player, and the players at a position of need will get a higher grade than those at a position of strength if equal in their eyes anywho. And they don't care how the draftniks grade them
 
Mangler said:
I wonder if there are any stats showing which position gives you the fastest return? “This is a weak O-line class” is all I hear every offseason, so isn’t the obvious answer to roll with a cornerback? For the record, I don’t believe this is a weak O-line class. In fact, it may heavier than usual giving us a better shot at finally getting one of, if not both tackle spots, or a Tackle and at a least one of the inside spots taken care of.

On the BPA question: I feel it’s only ok to pass on the BPA if a player of a need position is somehow still on the board, and it’s a tackle or guard we just can’t pass on. If the Tackle on our wish list isn’t there, go BPA.

Hell, I’d personally take a potential shutdown corner over any of the tackles or guards the Texans after thinking about selecting. I trust Crennel over Devlin any day of the week!
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According to what Gaine has stated (numerous times I believe), they consider OL, CB, IDL and to some extent RB and WR areas they need to strengthen. I think they will target their highest rated player (within reach) of those areas. If more than one available that they have graded equally (or close) then they will look to trade down
 
I wonder, if the best offensive tackles and best corners are gone by 23, would Gaine stick with the pick and draft Josh Jacobs? Who would be on board with that? I wouldn’t mind discarding Miller and running with Jacobs/Foreman.
 
banned1976 said:
I wonder, if the best offensive tackles and best corners are gone by 23, would Gaine stick with the pick and draft Josh Jacobs? Who would be on board with that? I wouldn’t mind discarding Miller and running with Jacobs/Foreman.
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Best OT's and CB's according to whom? I wouldn't scream in rage if they drafted Jacobs at #23, but I don't think they would kick Miller to the curb if they did
 
Texansphan said:
The other question we have to ask is "Is 1 or 2 (subjective) percentage points enough to warrant passing on a good player at PON?"
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I doubt one or two "percentage points" will spark a conversation. Then you're basically looking at the same player & need takes precedent.

The issue is when you aren't true to your board & pass on a player you rate worthy of the 23rd pick to select someone you have graded as the 36th rated player because of need.
 
Texans screwed the pooch in winning 11 games last season.....those 11 wins did nothing more than stick them in no man's land at 23 in the draft. Those 11 wins meant nothing after the Colts handed the Texans their arses while proving the team was closer to 5 wins versus the 11 they got.

I'm still impressed with the job Gaine did in last year's draft. I don't think Gaine is going to trade up in this draft and sacrifice any of the team's 7 picks....the team just has to many holes to plug. Since I'm stuck with guessing out loud, I could see Gaine trading back for more draft capital unless Dillard somehow drops to 23.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Texans screwed the pooch in winning 11 games last season.....those 11 wins did nothing more than stick them in no man's land at 23 in the draft. Those 11 wins meant nothing after the Colts handed the Texans their arses while proving the team was closer to 5 wins versus the 11 they got.
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I think it's obvious BO'b let Sean Ryan & Wes Welker develop & install the offense in that game & they gaffed it, hence their departure from HTown.

He showed them what he wanted the 2nd half of the Jags game & all they had to do was duplicate that. RPO, moving pocket, sweeps...

But nooo. They designed a standing pocket slow developing offense the Colts blew apart.

OptimisticTexan said:
Since I'm stuck with guessing out loud, I could see Gaine trading back for more draft capital unless Dillard somehow drops to 23.
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Is that because you think Dillard is that good, or because you expect him to go after the really good tackles?
 
thunderkyss said:
I think it's obvious BO'b let Sean Ryan & Wes Welker develop & install the offense in that game & they gaffed it, hence their departure from HTown.

He showed them what he wanted the 2nd half of the Jags game & all they had to do was duplicate that. RPO, moving pocket, sweeps...

But nooo. They designed a standing pocket slow developing offense the Colts blew apart.



Is that because you think Dillard is that good, or because you expect him to go after the really good tackles?
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Or the Colts are just better than the Texans.

Yes, Dillard is that good. IMHO
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Texans screwed the pooch in winning 11 games last season.....those 11 wins did nothing more than stick them in no man's land at 23 in the draft. Those 11 wins meant nothing after the Colts handed the Texans their arses while proving the team was closer to 5 wins versus the 11 they got.
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The moment I think spit like this, I will stop posting on message boards and never watch football again.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
The moment I think spit like this, I will stop posting on message boards and never watch football again.
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The only time I can remember thinking this way was the s.f. game. "The Bush/VY bowl." Fearing we'd miss out on a once in a lifetime prospect. Terrified one meaningless win at the end of the season might prevent a coach and gm change.

I don't feel guilty about that ,but haven't done it since.
 
powda said:
The only time I can remember thinking this way was the s.f. game. "The Bush/VY bowl." Fearing we'd miss out on a once in a lifetime prospect. Terrified one meaningless win at the end of the season might prevent a coach and gm change.

I don't feel guilty about that ,but haven't done it since.
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I actually get a team already being really bad and there is a so-called generational talent.
 
Just for a moment, I want to step away from the nuts and bolts of draft boards, trade values, and mock drafts. I need to take my optimism out of hiding. Brian Gaine? Yes, I'm very much looking forward to what he's going to pull off, beginning now. I have a gut feeling that he'll do a significantly better job than we've ever seen around here with building the team through the draft and UDFA acquisitions. When I think about the UDFA's, Arian Foster comes to mind and I'm like a kid ready to unwrap presents under the tree. Yes, I'm optimistic and almost giddy. Events may prove me wrong, wrong, wrong, but for now I'm going to enjoy some good, old fashioned optimism. Brian Gaine, you go, Buddy!
 
thunderkyss said:
I think it's obvious BO'b let Sean Ryan & Wes Welker develop & install the offense in that game & they gaffed it, hence their departure from HTown.

He showed them what he wanted the 2nd half of the Jags game & all they had to do was duplicate that. RPO, moving pocket, sweeps...

But nooo. They designed a standing pocket slow developing offense the Colts blew apart.



Is that because you think Dillard is that good, or because you expect him to go after the really good tackles?
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I think Dillard is the premium pass blocking LT in the draft and I hope he's there at 23 for the Texans. His run blocking needs to improve but the team could scheme to help him in that regard. His biggest job in Houston....keep Watson upright so the receiving group can make defenses pay.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
The moment I think spit like this, I will stop posting on message boards and never watch football again.
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More in reference to this with that statement......did you see a 11 win team playing the Colts? What I saw was a 5 win team at best who just happened to have 11 wins when they played the Colts. The Texans resembled a 5 win team versus the team that really got some lucky bounces to wind up with 11 wins. Big disappointment.

I hope Gaine has another solid draft and the team can get some solid contributions from at least 3 of their picks early on, which should indicate that the OL has gotten better......just a hope.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
More in reference to this with that statement......did you see a 11 win team playing the Colts? What I saw was a 5 win team at best who just happened to have 11 wins when they played the Colts. The Texans resembled a 5 win team versus the team that really got some lucky bounces to wind up with 11 wins. Big disappointment.

I hope Gaine has another solid draft and the team can get some solid contributions from at least 3 of their picks early on, which should indicate that the OL has gotten better......just a hope.
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I do get what you are saying but I don't agree with it fully. Yes the Colts game sucked, yes they were made to look like a high school team, yes there needs to be improvements and yes BoB showed his ceiling as an OC and it was pretty low, but why do we always point to one game and say "See, that's the real Texans right there. None of the other games matter that's the game that shows who they really are."

I mean if we are going to do that then we need to be looking for a new QB really fast because Watson sucked in that game. He wasn't the only one by any means but if that is the game we are judging the team on then we have to judge all parts of the team on it. By the way the defense wasn't looking very good either so I guess Watt, Clowney and RAC all need to go as well.

I mean in reality if the 11 wins meant nothing because they lost to the Colts then the making to the SB meant nothing to the Rams because they lost to the Pats. In fact no team's season meant anything except the Pats.
 
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[W]hy do we always point to one game and say "See, that's the real Texans right there. None of the other games matter that's the game that shows who they really are."
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Most years I agree with you. But last season when did we look like an 11-5 team? Most of the time it seemed like there was a flock of pixies cropdusting the Texans.
 
infantrycak said:
Most years I agree with you. But last season when did we look like an 11-5 team? Most of the time it seemed like there was a flock of pixies cropdusting the Texans.
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They looked about like every other Texans team. Not a true contender.
 
steelbtexan said:
They looked about like every other Texans team. Not a true contender.
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Yada, yada. You said that about the 2011 Texans too and they were exerting their will until Schaub went down. Huge difference.

Greatest failing of Kubiak/RS, not having someone better to step in.
 
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I do get what you are saying but I don't agree with it fully. Yes the Colts game sucked, yes they were made to look like a high school team, yes there needs to be improvements and yes BoB showed his ceiling as an OC and it was pretty low, but why do we always point to one game and say "See, that's the real Texans right there. None of the other games matter that's the game that shows who they really are."

I mean if we are going to do that then we need to be looking for a new QB really fast because Watson sucked in that game. He wasn't the only one by any means but if that is the game we are judging the team on then we have to judge all parts of the team on it. By the way the defense wasn't looking very good either so I guess Watt, Clowney and RAC all need to go as well.

I mean in reality if the 11 wins meant nothing because they lost to the Colts then the making to the SB meant nothing to the Rams because they lost to the Pats. In fact no team's season meant anything except the Pats.
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I actually agree with TK to an extent here... OB could have been auditioning Sean Ryan to see if he was ready to be OC knowing that a change had to be made and realizing they really had no shot at the SB. OB as HC should have reviewed game plan and nixed it beforehand, but if defense wouldn't have given up the quick 21 maybe it would have worked. Getting down like they did, he changed it up realizing Ryan had no clue... just speculation on my part but it fits imo
 
infantrycak said:
Yada, yada. You said that about the 2011 Texans too and they were exerting their will until Schaub went down. Huge difference.

Greatest failing of Kubiak/RS, not having someone better to step in.
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Yep, with hindsight it's easy to see they should have taken Wilson instead of Posey, wouldn't he have looked great in Kubiak's offense
 
infantrycak said:
Yada, yada. You said that about the 2011 Texans too and they were exerting their will until Schaub went down. Huge difference.

Greatest failing of Kubiak/RS, not having someone better to step in.
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Kubiak did his best job that year. I still thought they were paper tigers.

Really the former GM failed Kubiak there
 
steelbtexan said:
Kubiak did his best job that year. I still thought they were paper tigers.

Really the former GM failed Kubiak there
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2011 they were not paper tigers... 2012 yes. If Schaub wouldn't have been injured they are easily in at least the AFCCG, perhaps the SB. They were loaded
 
infantrycak said:
Most years I agree with you. But last season when did we look like an 11-5 team? Most of the time it seemed like there was a flock of pixies cropdusting the Texans.
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Damn Cak.....absolutely loved the, "flock of pixies cropdusting the Texans"!!!! New headline for 2018 season:

Texans 11-5 Season Up In Dust When Pixies Miss Cropdusting Effort In Playoff Game
 
infantrycak said:
Most years I agree with you. But last season when did we look like an 11-5 team? Most of the time it seemed like there was a flock of pixies cropdusting the Texans.
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At the beginning of the streak when we had Watson/Hopkins/Fuller/Coutee all on the field that was a scary offense that looked like it could light up any defense.

Trouble was when one piece of that group was removed there was no one that could step in to take their place. After that I agree we were on borrowed time.
 
JB said:
2011 they were not paper tigers... 2012 yes. If Schaub wouldn't have been injured they are easily in at least the AFCCG, perhaps the SB. They were loaded
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We will never know. Schaub wasn't exactly known for shining his brightest in big games.

What we do know is the Texans org has never even sniffed an AFCCG
 
infantrycak said:
That paper tiger had lost to 2 division winners away and was on pace for 4000 yds passing at 8.5 ypa and 2500 yds rushing at 4.5 ypc with 2 1000 yd rushers & the 4th pts/2nd yards D. Hand me the paper mache.
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Great stats,
Give me these stats,

Points scored and number of AFCCG reached.
 
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