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Your 2019 Houston Texans.....So Far:

OptimisticTexan

OptimisticTexan

2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
OFFENSE
WR- Hopkins, DeAndre / Carter, DeAndre / Whitney, Isaac
WR- Fuller, Will / Smith, Vyncint / Weah, Jester
WR- Coutee, Keke / Mitchell Jr., Steven

LT- Davenport, Julie'n / Rankin, Martinas / Leonard, Rick
LG- Kelemete, Senio / Steinmetz, David
OC- Martin, Nick / Mancz, Greg
RG- Fulton, Zach / Shakir, Maurquice
RT- Henderson, Seantrel / Johnson, Roderick

TE- Griffin, Ryan / Akins, Jordan
TE- Thomas, Jordan / Adams, Jerell

QB- Watson, Deshaun

RB- Miller, Lamar / Foreman, D'Onta / Howell, Gregory / Ferguson, Josh

DEFENSE
DE- Reader, DJ / Blackson, Angelo / Heath, Joel
NT- Dunn, Brandon
DE- WATT, JJ / Watkins, Carlos

SB- Mercilus, Whitney / Scarlett, Brennan / Landrum, Chris
WB- Cunningham, Zach / Cole, Dylan / Kalambayi, Peter
MB- McKinney, Benardrick / Adams, Tyrell
JB- Clowney, Jadeveon / Ejiofor, Duke / Bellamy, Davin

CB- Joseph, Jonathan / Bademosi, Johnson U/NE

SS- Hendy, AJ / Tyson, Mike
FS- Reid, Justin / Hal, Andre / Gipson, Tashaun / Moore, AJ

CB- Roby, Bradley / Colvin, Aaron / Kelly, Jermaine / Burton, Deante

SPECIAL TEAMS
P- Daniel, Trevor

K- Fairbairn, Ka'imi

LS- Weeks, Jonathan

I'm trying to get the best updates but it's difficult. If anyone has better updates just add the information.

The roster is looking a little shaky folks.....Cal, Gaine and OB better find another gear in the draft.
 
Mr teX

Mr teX

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banned1976 said:
I’m ok with Gipson replacing HB but the Roby for Jackson is a significant downgrade.
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Overall upgrade imo & I like the swap out...

Hated to see K-jax let go....thought he was the most underrated player on our team. Loved the Mathieu acquisition also. but both those guys were at their best coming up in run support. K-jax was suspect in coverage, Mathieu was just ok, but could be exploited by bigger WR's and TE b/c he was so small........ as we saw teams start to attack him more later in the season with TE's and bigger WR's.

Roby & Gipson are guys that are at their best when in coverage/space & you'd rather have that in your secondary as opposed to what K-jax & Mathieu bring as great run support guys & average in coverage. Collectively, we also get younger, a little faster & guys with better overall measurables without losing that veteran leadership that Reid flourished under last year. Also doesn't hurt that we got both these guys 8 mil cheaper than what it would've cost us to keep K-jax and Mathieu.
 
steelbtexan

steelbtexan

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Seegara said:
Key losses in free agency with no corresponding gains make things look bad for the Texans. Unless the draft comes out much better than average, it's looking like 7-9 for the season.
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At best with the schedule they have. At worst Watson goes down and we have 2 yrs ago all over again.
 
Mangler

Mangler

Toro de España
Seegara said:
Key losses in free agency with no corresponding gains make things look bad for the Texans. Unless the draft comes out much better than average, it's looking like 7-9 for the season.
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Rebuild mode, here we come. Unless our draft picks pan out. I actually like our chances of that taking place, as Gaine showed (last draft) that he knows what he’s doing.
 
xtruroyaltyx

xtruroyaltyx

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Mangler said:
Rebuild mode, here we come. Unless our draft picks pan out. I actually like our chances of that taking place, as Gaine showed (last draft) that he knows what he’s doing.
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I like the players we drafted last year, but what exactly did they do last season outside of Reid?

Maybe I’m just blanking because I stopped paying much Attention to the games.
 
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76Texan

Hall of Fame
Mr teX said:
Overall upgrade imo & I like the swap out...

Hated to see K-jax let go....thought he was the most underrated player on our team. Loved the Mathieu acquisition also. but both those guys were at their best coming up in run support. K-jax was suspect in coverage, Mathieu was just ok, but could be exploited by bigger WR's and TE b/c he was so small........ as we saw teams start to attack him more later in the season with TE's and bigger WR's.

Roby & Gipson are guys that are at their best when in coverage/space & you'd rather have that in your secondary as opposed to what K-jax & Mathieu bring as great run support guys & average in coverage. Collectively, we also get younger, a little faster & guys with better overall measurables without losing that veteran leadership that Reid flourished under last year. Also doesn't hurt that we got both these guys 8 mil cheaper than what it would've cost us to keep K-jax and Mathieu.
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I've watched all the Broncos games for several years now (from the days of Os).
Roby is quite shaky in coverage.
 
Mr teX

Mr teX

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76Texan said:
I've watched all the Broncos games for several years now (from the days of Os).
Roby is quite shaky in coverage.
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Well then you probably already know He’s a young guy & Last year was his 1st year starting. He’s still got room to grow and get better. In any event he’s still probably as good or a little better than KJ was in coverage.
 
R

Revrat

Waterboy
I'll miss what KJ brought in run support, but seeing him in coverage always made me cringe. He always sucked with his back to the LOS. It was usually good for one of three things....DPI, holding, or a completion. He was never a good cover corner. Certainly not one worth what Denver is going to pay him.
 
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76Texan

Hall of Fame
Mr teX said:
Well then you probably already know He’s a young guy & Last year was his 1st year starting. He’s still got room to grow and get better. In any event he’s still probably as good or a little better than KJ was in coverage.
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On the first part, probably.
On the second part, a big NO.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-2019-free-agency-profile-bradley-roby
In coverage, he was rated 102nd (among 131 qualifying corners).

Kareem was ranked 14th or 16th, depending on the metrics used.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-2019-free-agency-profile-kareem-jackson

KJax was definitely much better in coverage.

Also, KJax was rated 2nd in run support; Roby can't touched that.

In that ranking, KJax was rated as the 5th best CB overall.
In the most current ranking, he was bumped up a notch.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-the-top-101-players-from-the-2018-nfl-season

The Broncos front 7 is arguably the equivalence as that of the Texans.

The one place that was in Roby's favor is that the Broncos faced better QBs overall - and that could make a difference.
It's hard to quantify that so I won't even try.

Another factor is all the injuries that the Broncos had overall; which put more burden on the remaining players, including Roby.
So there's also that.
......

In the meantime , if we look at the QBs the Texans will face in 2019; Roby will have to improve a heck of a lot or it could be a nightmarish season, I'm afraid.

Hopefully the Texans improve as a whole as well; and that could help the defense.
 
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76Texan

Hall of Fame
Revrat said:
I'll miss what KJ brought in run support, but seeing him in coverage always made me cringe. He always sucked with his back to the LOS. It was usually good for one of three things....DPI, holding, or a completion. He was never a good cover corner. Certainly not one worth what Denver is going to pay him.
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KJax' contract with the Broncos is hardly out of range
He's guaranteed for $23M , which is exactly the total payout for the first 2 years, an average of $11.5M
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/kareem-jackson-6529/

That puts his annual salary at #12 in the league at the moment.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/cornerback/

This could change in the coming days (a couple of CBs may get a pay raise).

Roby is going to get paid $10M, basically a one-year prove-it contract..
 
Mr teX

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
76Texan said:
On the first part, probably.
On the second part, a big NO.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-2019-free-agency-profile-bradley-roby
In coverage, he was rated 102nd (among 131 qualifying corners).

Kareem was ranked 14th or 16th, depending on the metrics used.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-2019-free-agency-profile-kareem-jackson

KJax was definitely much better in coverage.

Also, KJax was rated 2nd in run support; Roby can't touched that.

In that ranking, KJax was rated as the 5th best CB overall.
In the most current ranking, he was bumped up a notch.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-the-top-101-players-from-the-2018-nfl-season

The Broncos front 7 is arguably the equivalence as that of the Texans.

The one place that was in Roby's favor is that the Broncos faced better QBs overall - and that could make a difference.
It's hard to quantify that so I won't even try.

Another factor is all the injuries that the Broncos had overall; which put more burden on the remaining players, including Roby.
So there's also that.
......

In the meantime , if we look at the QBs the Texans will face in 2019; Roby will have to improve a heck of a lot or it could be a nightmarish season, I'm afraid.

Hopefully the Texans improve as a whole as well; and that could help the defense.
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K-jax as a safety would of course be much better in run support than Roby. But how much man & zone you play also plays a part in that too. We know Crennel is zone-heavy & i think that's at least in part b/c his personnel dictated that. K-jax, Tyrann, J-jo...Colvin were all better in zone but not so good The little bit of tape I've seen of the Broncos they seem to do a good job of mixing it up. If Crennel moves more to the middle in terms of the type of coverage he favors & with better safety play over the top with Gipson & Reid, I believe Roby is an upgrade coverage wise over K-jax simply b/c his measureables are better & he wouldn't be a total liability in coverage like K-jax would be if we had to play more man.
 
Mr teX

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
Texecutioner said:
WTF are these college coaches doing with TE's these days? It seems like less and less of them coming around now days. Finding one that can block and catch passes is like finding a unicorn. I find that ridiculous.
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Even HOF TE's have had problems learning how to block in the NFL. I've heard Shannon Sharpe, Tony Gonzalez both talk about their struggles early on learning how to block on the NFL level. But i still agree overall with what you're saying & I think Its these spread offenses that's hindering the development of both the o-line and TE's. They simply don't have to hold blocks as long & TE's are out in route.
 
Texecutioner

Texecutioner

Hall of Fame
Mr teX said:
Even HOF TE's have had problems learning how to block in the NFL. I've heard Shannon Sharpe, Tony Gonzalez both talk about their struggles early on learning how to block on the NFL level. But i still agree overall with what you're saying & I think Its these spread offenses that's hindering the development of both the o-line and TE's. They simply don't have to hold blocks as long & TE's are out in route.
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It just seems like we stopped getting a lot of good TE's like 8 years ago. There have been a few here and there that have flourished as glorified receivers, but not many who can do both. Just surprised by it. Smart coaches will go the opposite of the spread strategy at some point and go back to old formations when defenses aren't built well to stop it I would assume. If we get a good big blocking one, there's been a shortage on ones like that who can run routes and be a play maker as well.
 
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76Texan

Hall of Fame
Mr teX said:
K-jax as a safety would of course be much better in run support than Roby. But how much man & zone you play also plays a part in that too. We know Crennel is zone-heavy & i think that's at least in part b/c his personnel dictated that. K-jax, Tyrann, J-jo...Colvin were all better in zone but not so good The little bit of tape I've seen of the Broncos they seem to do a good job of mixing it up. If Crennel moves more to the middle in terms of the type of coverage he favors & with better safety play over the top with Gipson & Reid, I believe Roby is an upgrade coverage wise over K-jax simply b/c his measureables are better & he wouldn't be a total liability in coverage like K-jax would be if we had to play more man.
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I plan on going back to rewatch the Broncos games in the upcoming days.
I did rewatch some, but that was before we sign him.
 
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281Texan

Waterboy
I'm expecting Clowney to be dealt for a high first round choice this year. From there, I suspect we trade down multiple times and fill a ton of positions in the back end of the first round and second. Hence, saving all that cap for draft picks. That's the only thing I could think of at this point
 
Texansphan

Texansphan

Football connoisseur
281Texan said:
I'm expecting Clowney to be dealt for a high first round choice this year. From there, I suspect we trade down multiple times and fill a ton of positions in the back end of the first round and second. Hence, saving all that cap for draft picks. That's the only thing I could think of at this point
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If they get a high first for him, they may just take his replacement along the Dline.
A really good opportunity to get a quality pass rusher and we can still trade back with #23
 
Texansphan

Texansphan

Football connoisseur
281Texan said:
I'm expecting Clowney to be dealt for a high first round choice this year. From there, I suspect we trade down multiple times and fill a ton of positions in the back end of the first round and second. Hence, saving all that cap for draft picks. That's the only thing I could think of at this point
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If they get a high first for him, they may just take his replacement along the Dline.
A really good opportunity to get a quality pass rusher and we can still trade back with #23.
 
steelbtexan

steelbtexan

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281Texan said:
I'm expecting Clowney to be dealt for a high first round choice this year. From there, I suspect we trade down multiple times and fill a ton of positions in the back end of the first round and second. Hence, saving all that cap for draft picks. That's the only thing I could think of at this point
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Hope you're right.

They could use some young blood.

Mercilus could go back to playing the position he should be playing. He's not as good as Clowney but he's more than serviceable at a much cheaper price than Clowney.
 
steelbtexan

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76Texan said:
I plan on going back to rewatch the Broncos games in the upcoming days.
I did rewatch some, but that was before we sign him.
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Looking forward to your review

The NYJ game may make you throw up in your mouth a little bit. I know it made me queasy.
 
steelbtexan

steelbtexan

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Texecutioner said:
It just seems like we stopped getting a lot of good TE's like 8 years ago. There have been a few here and there that have flourished as glorified receivers, but not many who can do both. Just surprised by it. Smart coaches will go the opposite of the spread strategy at some point and go back to old formations when defenses aren't built well to stop it I would assume. If we get a good big blocking one, there's been a shortage on ones like that who can run routes and be a play maker as well.
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This is what Belichick did against lighter defenses like K.C's and the Chargers. Run the ball
 
Seegara

Seegara

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Lucky said:
Which is why the Texans won't get a high 1st round pick for Clowney. Those teams could just use that pick on a much cheaper pass rusher without Clowney's injury history. Right?
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Right. If we could get a top 5 1st for Clowney, wouldn't that be peachy? But it's doubtful.
 
JPPT1974

JPPT1974

April Showers and Easter 2024!
Yeah as really in the NFL lottery win thing. As it is doubtful but keep it optimistic.
 
Texansphan

Texansphan

Football connoisseur
Lucky said:
Which is why the Texans won't get a high 1st round pick for Clowney. Those teams could just use that pick on a much cheaper pass rusher without Clowney's injury history. Right?
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Heh, I think I might have said something along the same lines in the last few days.
The only scenario I can see is the team that trades a high first for him might offer next year's first or have multiple firsts, or offer their 2nd and 3rd.
Pricey whichever way you dice it.
 
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