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A backup or replacement for Will Fuller?

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Earl34

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Let me begin, by saying that I love what Will Fuller brings to the offense. I appreciate how hard he has worked to improve his hands.

However, the way this offense struggles when he's unavailable and his inability to stay healthy, I was looking at John Brown who played with the Cardinals and Ravens as a free agent pickup.

He brings similar a similar skillset as Fuller and between them, we have an insurance policy opposite Hopkins. Thoughts?
 
Reasonable suggestion who most likely won't cost a silly amount... Brown has never put it together in total and has his own health issues though
 
I like Brown and Tyrell Williams. I'm sure some fast guys will get cut. Also the 2nd yr leap most WR's make from V. Smith could happen.

Antione Wesley and Dionte Jonson are guys I like in the draft.
 
steelbtexan said:
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Antione Wesley and Dionte Jonson are guys I like in the draft.
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Toledo's Diontae Johnson is a real sleeper that could go 2nd day. He's small, but explosive. And more polished than you would think.

I really like the depth of this receiver class. It doesn't have the superstars like Beckham and Evans. But it has value from mid 1st round well into the 3rd day.
 
steelbtexan said:
I like Brown and Tyrell Williams. I'm sure some fast guys will get cut. Also the 2nd yr leap most WR's make from V. Smith could happen.

Antione Wesley and Dionte Jonson are guys I like in the draft.
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I mentioned Tyrell Williams in another thread. I would position myself as if Fuller isn't coming back full strength for a yr and a half. Not to mention, they need someone in case Hopkins is hurt. Tyrell has deep speed, plus he has that large catch radius and is a red zone threat. Plus he's still young and productive.
 
Earl34 said:
Let me begin, by saying that I love what Will Fuller brings to the offense. I appreciate how hard he has worked to improve his hands.

However, the way this offense struggles when he's unavailable and his inability to stay healthy, I was looking at John Brown who played with the Cardinals and Ravens as a free agent pickup.

He brings similar a similar skillset as Fuller and between them, we have an insurance policy opposite Hopkins. Thoughts?
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They would both be riding the pine at the same time. We need to forget Fuller and find a full time replacement.
 
Seegara said:
They would both be riding the pine at the same time. We need to forget Fuller and find a full time replacement.
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Is this Fuller's "option year" or does he have another year left on his Rookie contract? Whatever the case, I wouldn't "forget" him. We still need him here. However, that wouldn't stop me from finding someone in the Draft or FA that could replace him if he goes down again this season!
 
Seegara said:
They would both be riding the pine at the same time. We need to forget Fuller and find a full time replacement.
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There's aren't enough 4.3 WR out there for us to just "forget" him. Yes he has an injury history and we need to add some more depth to deal with that and then maybe if he goes down again look at moving on but right now without Fuller we are back to being a one WR team. We already have to many "must haves" in this draft to add a WR to the mix if we don't have to and looking at the F/A list for WR I'm not seeing any that I'm ready to open the wallet for the prices they will want. I say add some depth if we can but right now its sort of the case of go to war with the army you have as far as WR go.
 
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maverick512000 said:
There's aren't enough 4.3 WR out there for us to just "forget" him. Yes he has an injury history and we need to add some more depth to deal with that and then maybe if he goes down again look at moving on but right now without Fuller we are back to being a one WR team. We already have to many "must haves" in this draft to add a WR to the mix if we don't have to and looking at the F/A list for WR I'm not seeing any that I'm ready to open the wallet for the prices they will want. I say add some depth if we can but right now its sort of the case of go to war with the army you have as far as WR go.
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After seeing the offense with and without Fuller, I've gotta disagree.
 
steelbtexan said:
After seeing the offense with and without Fuller, I've gotta disagree.
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I know you are disagreeing with the 'we don't need to add another WR' part. Texans certainly need a speed (or dynamic) receiver added to the mix. Perhaps Smith can be that guy
 
JB said:
I know you are disagreeing with the 'we don't need to add another WR' part. Texans certainly need a speed (or dynamic) receiver added to the mix. Perhaps Smith can be that guy
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This is what I'm hoping for. BOB/Ryan must've seen real promise in him after keeping the talented guy from a tiny college around over highly drafted guys. Smith certainly has the size and speed. Hopefully he makes the 2nd yr jump most rookie WR's do. With that said I would still bring in another WR either thru the draft or FA. Gotta add some depth to the WR group.
 
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infantrycak said:
Fuller has turned into more than just a speed guy. You aren't replacing him with some 3rd rounder who can run a 40.

You don't stretch the field without a threat. Running fast isn't good enough.
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You said the same thing when Fuller was drafted

Go check out Dionte and tell me what you think.
 
a guy playing Toledo's schedule with 750 ish yards for the season, 8 td's. Watched some tape, nothing like the impact WF had at a much larger school

Will had 500 more yards, 5 more per catch and 14 TD;s against real competition and looked it. I guess we wait for the combine but you can usually see a stud at Toledo
 
a guy playing Toledo's schedule with 750 ish yards for the season, 8 td's. Watched some tape, nothing like the impact WF had at a much larger school

Will had 500 more yards, 5 more per catch and 14 TD;s against real competition and looked it. I guess we wait for the combine but you can usually see a stud at Toledo
 
infantrycak said:
I was wrong. Fuller has surprised me and become more than a speed guy. He hits. Not every speed guy will do that. Boy is a baller.
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There's a first, LOL

Check out Dionte Johnson, dudes a baller too.

I also like Antoine Wesley. Skinny tall string bean but very talented. You can't go wrong taking Texas Tech WR's

Probably can get these guys in the 3rd Rd.
 
I cannot give up on WF yet, dude has kept proving people wrong with hands, avoids contact etc. Yes, he needs to be healthy, let's see. We do have V Smith as a backup policy, and Keke should be more ready to be a pro
 
Rich Schmidt said:
I cannot give up on WF yet, dude has kept proving people wrong with hands, avoids contact etc. Yes, he needs to be healthy, let's see. We do have V Smith as a backup policy, and Keke should be more ready to be a pro
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I agree that we should not give up on Fuller. He has trouble staying on the field, but when he is healthy he is a difficult player to replace. He is not just a speed receiver, he has made himself into a complete receiver who can run good routes and plays with a bit of hard-edged attitude.
 
Texas Jake said:
I agree that we should not give up on Fuller. He has trouble staying on the field, but when he is healthy he is a difficult player to replace. He is not just a speed receiver, he has made himself into a complete receiver who can run good routes and plays with a bit of hard-edged attitude.
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This is why I believe going veteran replacement level ...i.e. John Brown is a way to go. Fuller is cheap to keep, no matter what his injury risk is, but having someone ready to play at a reasonable cost if there is an injury. If all are well then the Texans have a deep roster of WRs.
 
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ArlingtonTexan said:
This is why I believe going veteran replacement level ...i.e. John Brown is a way to go. Fuller is cheap to keep, no matter what he is injury risk is, but having someone ready to play at a reasonable cost if there is injury. If all are well then the Texans have a deep roster of WRs.
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I agree that we need to add depth and insurance if Fuller can't stay on the field.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
This is why I believe going veteran replacement level ...i.e. John Brown is a way to go. Fuller is cheap to keep, no matter what his injury risk is, but having someone ready to play at a reasonable cost if there is an injury. If all are well then the Texans have a deep roster of WRs.
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I'm for this and if Smith develops like I think he's going to the WR corps will be very deep. I see Smith as a Tyrell Williams type talent that is only going to improve. That kid has special athletic ability. For him to do as well as he did under the circumstances he had to perform under, coming from the small school he came from, I think his future is very bright.
 
Just give me a late round WR that's really fast …. if its just an insurance policy.

When healthy DHop , Fuller and QT are as good as any trio in the league.

I think they need a better strength and conditioning coach … keep all these hamstrings from blowing up via flexibility / stretching
 
I wonder if Andy Isabella can play on the outside. I am not sold he can but he has similar size and traits to Tyreek Hill and Steve Smith so it makes me think that he might be able to. I would pull the trigger no earlier than the 3rd round for him.
 
Corrosion said:
Just give me a late round WR that's really fast …. if its just an insurance policy.

When healthy DHop , Fuller and QT are as good as any trio in the league.

I think they need a better strength and conditioning coach … keep all these hamstrings from blowing up via flexibility / stretching
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What happens when Nuk is hurting, then what? The Chiefs had Tyreke and Kelce, but added Watkins. You can't over weaponize the offense. If Fuller comes back 100% ,cool. Again, I would sign Tyrell Williams
 
leebigeztx said:
What happens when Nuk is hurting, then what? The Chiefs had Tyreke and Kelce, but added Watkins. You can't over weaponize the offense. If Fuller comes back 100% ,cool. Again, I would sign Tyrell Williams
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You don't replace guys like DHop - no matter how many "weapons" you have ….

I'm not against adding talent to the position but we have more pressing needs - most notably CB & OT. I'm for fixing them and then intelligently using the remaining resources elsewhere - RB / WR / OLB.

Really need to see what they do with our own FA's and how much we have to spend on those two most critical positions , then worry about the luxuries of another WR / RB / OLB.
 
steelbtexan said:
I would give that up for John Brown.

Of course I would trade a 2019 second and a 2020 1st for Antonio Brown and a 2019 fourth.
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Could the Texans spice that offer up a bit and save the 2020 RD1 by offering William Fuller V (FA 2021) and Lamar Miller (FA 2020)?

I have no idea if that would be enough but that frees up some cap space so the pain of AB's contract isn't so severe. Texans would be plenty strong with Hopkins, Brown, and Coutee as the three primary WR weapons. The Steelers get an often injured WR who's capable of taking the top off defenses when healthy....a perfect weapon to go with their stud receiver, Ju-Ju Smith-Schuster. James Washington is expected to make a big push this season as a solid WR2 weapon now that his rookie season is in the books. Miller could be a nice inclusion since the Steelers are losing Bell and would have a need for a solid RB2 for Conner.

TEXANS
WR- Antonio Brown

STEELERS
WR- Fuller
RB- Miller
2020 RD2 or maybe 2020 RD1
 
OptimisticTexan said:
JB, I'm not jumping your response but would like to get your insight.
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Texans have much bigger needs than a 2nd WR whose a diva. The cost of AB alone is prohibitive. Cap of close to 60 mil for next 3 seasons. May be a cancer. While Fuller has injury concerns, he's young and cheap. Miller is replaceable, but is hardly trash to be a throw in on a trade. Draft picks (even future ones) too valuable to give up so easily.

If you want another WR, go a different route. WR2 is not that big of a need, especially not for a 30+ year old one
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
Could the Texans spice that offer up a bit and save the 2020 RD1 by offering William Fuller V (FA 2021) and Lamar Miller (FA 2020)?

I have no idea if that would be enough but that frees up some cap space so the pain of AB's contract isn't so severe. Texans would be plenty strong with Hopkins, Brown, and Coutee as the three primary WR weapons. The Steelers get an often injured WR who's capable of taking the top off defenses when healthy....a perfect weapon to go with their stud receiver, Ju-Ju Smith-Schuster. James Washington is expected to make a big push this season as a solid WR2 weapon now that his rookie season is in the books. Miller could be a nice inclusion since the Steelers are losing Bell and would have a need for a solid RB2 for Conner.

TEXANS
WR- Antonio Brown

STEELERS
WR- Fuller
RB- Miller
2020 RD2 or maybe 2020 RD1
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Why would the Steelers want Miller at his price tag? Also the Steelers are very good at finding and developing young WR's. I doubt they would want a WR like Fuller that cant be depended on due to injury.

Mollywhopper said:
I'm not giving up a first, in any package, for Antonio Brown.
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Me either but I would give up a 2nd and a 2020 2nd.

I wonder what a guy like Tyrell Williams will cost in FA?
 
steelbtexan said:
Why would the Steelers want Miller at his price tag? Also the Steelers are very good at finding and developing young WR's. I doubt they would want a WR like Fuller that cant be depended on due to injury.



Me either but I would give up a 2nd and a 2020 2nd.

I wonder what a guy like Tyrell Williams will cost in FA?
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Williams has made it known he wants to be a #1 guy, I think he signs somewhere on a 1 year prove it deal so he can showcase he can be that guy
 
steelbtexan said:
Why would the Steelers want Miller at his price tag? Also the Steelers are very good at finding and developing young WR's. I doubt they would want a WR like Fuller that cant be depended on due to injury.



Me either but I would give up a 2nd and a 2020 2nd.

I wonder what a guy like Tyrell Williams will cost in FA?
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This is pretty much what I've settled on as my best possible offer.
 
Fuller and one of our seconds would be a great deal for us for AB. Salary isn’t a problem. The next three years are very reasonable. You’re talking about combining arguably the best WR in football with arguably the best WR in football. Who you going to double? I guarantee you safeties aren’t going to be cheating up with those two in the game. Everything Fuller brings to this offense Brown would bring much more.

Hell I just talked myself into another 2nd rounder in 2020.
 
mussop said:
Fuller and one of our seconds would be a great deal for us for AB. Salary isn’t a problem. The next three years are very reasonable. You’re talking about combining arguably the best WR in football with arguably the best WR in football. Who you going to double? I guarantee you safeties aren’t going to be cheating up with those two in the game. Everything Fuller brings to this offense Brown would bring much more.

Hell I just talked myself into another 2nd rounder in 2020.
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Surely you aren't talking Antonio Brown here... Next 3 years he's due 60 Mill.
 
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