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Brian Gaine Thread
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Quote stats all you want, still doesn't mean anything.
It's not like the Texans have a rich history of leading the league in points. 2nd highest points scored in Patriots history would be impressive. Texans history, not so much. 2nd in the NFL in points scored for 2018 would be impressive.
The Texans weren't even top 10 in that category in 2018. But hey, use them stats the way you want to.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2018/
I think his point is if we're happy with Kubiak's offense we should be happy with BO'bs offense which is as productive based on points scored.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
It's a simplistic point at best. Kubiak successfully did what OB wants, grind out the clock. Look back and we had tons of 12 play 7+ minute drives. Now we score on Watkins (Watson & Hopkins). We're dangerous but that does jack to rest the D or shorten the game.
When OB orchestrates back to back 99 yd & 95 yd drives (both over 10 plays) to 15 pts call me about scoring.
I've seen little data to indicate this bunch (O'Brien, Devlin, at. al.) can identify talent or develop it.
and if this O'Brien/Gaine "alignment" means Gaine gets only the guys O'Brien/Devlin pick out, what will make this draft will produce a better O-line?
You guys, what did you expect with the talent on the offense. They scored the 2nd most points in franchise history and y'all want Kubiak back. LOL
We dont know how they will do, but we're going to find out. I'm with you on Devlin, he's the guy who worked out Davenport and probably recommended him.
Surreal McCoy
Rookie
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
To me, the most important job for Gains is getting under the radar players from other teams who fit and will play well at a price for the Texans. Just like BB gets Van Noy and guys like that on the cool, then people look at their production which exceeds their price. That's the mastery
Some of the points were defensive scoring.
Some were due to the fact that the defense gave the offense good field position.
2 OT games.
Lots of factors.
This, but he really needs to hit in the draft and FA this year.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
And unfortunately, he didn't do too well in the first season. Colvin, Kelemete, Henderson, Fulton, Webster were the under the radar players he acquired, but none of them exceeded their price. I know, some of these guys were hurt, but simply stating they did not exceed their price.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
O'Brien doesn't really manage games. He tries to, but then it devolves into big-play moments by his elite players who cover up his deficiencies.
Proof is in the lack of rhythm, the absence of strategy for timeouts, and an inability to impose the run consistently by the 4th quarter.
Oh, and if the press asks him about those concerns, they get an eye roll from him. Just be happy with the 11 wins, ok guys? Well, like Watt said, the regular season record means nothing after a one-and-done playoff appearance. So Bill can stop ignoring deficiencies just because we're a notch higher in the pecking order than the class nerds we bullied.
Parcells was only half right when he said "You are your record." You are actually your record vs .500 and above teams.
The FA well was dry last year. We pretty much had to get players off of Craigslist.
No they don't happen every season.
For example, look at 2008.
The Texans had one pick six and no fumble recovered for a TD. That's 7 points scored by the defense.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense/year/2008/seasontype/2
This year, the defense scored 28 points.
Then, you look at the average starting field position that the defense and special team combine to give to the offense.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/htx/2018.htm
This past year, the Texans' average starting field position was from the 31.3 yd line while the opponents' was from their 25.5 yd line.
That's the best on both sides of the ball for the Texans in franchise history except for 2005 (on offense only).
The short field always help in scoring.
I believe there were at least two instances where the defense got the ball back for the offense in FG range already.
Middle of the pack.
Very well done considering the injuries at wr, rb, this ol and last but not least a rookie qb
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
The Texans gave up the most tackles (1178) in the NFL. I’m not sure what this means but it sure doesn’t sound good.
On the flip side, while we led the NFL in giving up sacks (62), Watson did well on containing the yards lost. We were third in yards lost but we did that despite giving up 11 more sacks than #1 and #2. That’s pretty good awareness on Watson I think.
On the flip side, while we led the NFL in giving up sacks (62), Watson did well on containing the yards lost. We were third in yards lost but we did that despite giving up 11 more sacks than #1 and #2. That’s pretty good awareness on Watson I think.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Yep. Fantastic. Staying right in line with mediocrity.
Plenty of teams with injury problems (especially to their QB), and then there are those that are in rebuilding mode or in turmoil for various reasons.
When you take those teams out, it's more like 16 out of 24 or so, not middle of the pack.
Mediocrity is rather too optimistic of a term, IMO.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
It's always the combo of both or your team gets top heavy. The problem with this team is player development on the oline. This coaching staff haven't been good with that group. So, they probably need sign Juwan James or Donavan Smith at RT and move Rankins in at guard. Also, they need another high quality wr. Much like AJ, Hopkins has the Texans spoiled. Hopkins haven't missed games, but Fuller can stay on the field. As much as I like DT, that injury and his age probably means he's done. Who will Watson throw to if Hopkins misses games?
So let me get this straight, if Brady bails out BB that's them working well together
If Watson bails out BOB , he's Jesus in cleats
Yes, the offense did better than I expected with the backup ol
If Watson bails out BOB , he's Jesus in cleats
Yes, the offense did better than I expected with the backup ol
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
I think the difference is that the pats have a proven track record with those two. We’ve seen those two together have multiple years of successful offense. We’ve even seen BB have success without TB.
Every team wants star players that can make plays outside of what the coaches scheme, however that shouldn’t account for too large a percentage of the team’s/units success. That’s just playing with Fire.
I’m not going to act like I’m an expert level NFL offensive mind, but I know a little bit. I’m still trying to figure out what it is scheme wise or playcalling wise OB does to make things easier on the offense?
maverick512000
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Ok I have to point out changing the variables around until you get the results you want is not objectively looking at it. When you start doing that then the other side can do the same to support their argument. For example take out all the teams that aren't starting a QB with less than two full seasons. Awesome, now we are ranked either 2 or 3, see how you can frame the facts to fit any argument you want when you don't consider everything as a whole.
It was steelb that brought up the injuries, not I.
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
Still, stats can be used to prove anything, IF you let me put some ifs in. With some research I could find the Texans were #1 in offensive something with some ifs. In general, trust the overall stats, offense is not good enough. Defense is not good enough against elite QBs.
leebigeztx
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Nothing that I see. He has a space runner in Miller, yet the Texans led the nfl in 1st and 2nd down up the middle runs. How is that predictable offense helping. If anyone care to chart the game vs just watching, their personnel gives all their clues in run vs pass. The Texans were like 97% strong side run in 3 tes. If I know this sitting at home eating fajitas, what about the dc getting 2m? How many rb screens did we see this year? What about the action to distract the defense? Look at what the rams do with the compressed formations and how their right there ready to go.
Give the Texans the Rams talent and We can talk.
Give the Texans the Rams talent and We can talk.
leebigeztx
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What does the Rams personel got to do with deception,formation, and sets?
Some folk think talent alone trumps installing an effective scheme and good play-calling.
Which is weird because the HC they admire the most has made himself a legend by taking guys no one has heard of and making them stars because of his coaching, scheme, and play-calling.
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leebigeztx
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Pretty much. OBrien seems to me to be a coach who needs everything. I dont think he's the kind of coach who can outcoached or out scheme a coach with better talent. Even if its marginally better. I'm not saying the Cardinals of this year winning 10 games. He coaches and thinks complimentary football vs maximizing talent/winning football. Between the Jets, Broncos, Redskins, Browns, Bill's, and 1st Colts game, those could've been losses. Hr coaches to keep the game close. The Bears and Matt Nagy with Trubisky scored as many points as the Texans. Let that sink in.
If you can't see the difference in talent I can't discuss this with you
He didn't a very good job maximizing the talent. The Ol sucked and look at the skill position talent vs the Bears skill position talent. Then look at the difference in talent of the Bears OL vs the Texans OL.
leebigeztx
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How many times did he move the pocket? What about screens and misdirection? How much of that did you see? What about passing early to get ahead of the chains? They led the league in 1st down up the gut runs.
Texansballer74
The Marine
You have to understand they are too busy defending to the point of being blinded by the obvious.
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You have to have a much better OL than the Texans did to run slow developing plays. The 1st down runs were maddening to me also, but that was part of the run the ball, shorten the game and let the defense win the game for you.
That's been the strategy for 5 years
And it's worked for 3 of those 5?
leebigeztx
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So CJ Anderson comes from Golden Corral and run the blood out the ball, but he doesn't fit Obrien and Gaine system once Miller got hurt? Oh yeah, Blue is still on the roster
Shishkabob
All Pro
probably helped him that Rams RBs average something absurd like 3 yards before first contact.
austins23
Hall of Fame
Exactly. I can't remember the last time a color commentator took out his "yellow pen" and broke down one of the Texans' offensive plays because of the imaginativeness (not a word, but you get what I mean) behind the play.
Maddening isn't it.
So I did some research....Longest TD drive of the season was the 97 yd TD run by Miller. But we won't count that, obviously.
Not counting that 1 play drive, the longest SCORING drive the Texans had this year was a nine play, 84 yard drive ending in a FG. Against the Bills.
There were two, 15 play TD drives. One was 79 yds, the other 75 yards. Both against the Colts, one in each game.
The LONGEST TD drive was 82 yards (10 plays). Also against the Colts, 2nd game.
I didn't do a lot of research on this but, the Pats have also had pretty damn good OC's since 1998. Of course I am excluding the one year OB was there. They have had McDaniels, Weis, and Zampese since that time. 3 SB wins with Weis, and 2 with McDaniels.
dream_team
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Depends on your definition of "worked".
I think why people are getting impatient, though, is that during the first 4 years... that has been the strategy because we didn't have a QB. Fans feel like BOB has a QB now, so why still the same strategy? I know the answer to this, it's the OL. So what's maddening is that it seems like it's always going to be something holding BOB's offense back.
leebigeztx
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Ok, at any point in their career have Alfred Blue or Foreman played better than CJ Anderson? When Miller was hurt, the backups were garbage. The Chiefs cut the 3rd leading rusher, put in Williams and doesn't miss a beat. Yet, they did nothing in the offseason to improve the rb room.
leebigeztx
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While we're at it, we can talk about how much better Peterson was than any of our backs except Miller. Even with Miller he had more rush yds and more TDs. He was sitting at home even while Foreman was getting eating Cheetos and Blue was being Blue
After realizing that mistake you'd have thunk they would have jumped all over Cj Anderson. Not that he's all that, but solely because Blue is not.
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