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2019 Texans draft
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Well, lets get it going. I'd liken to start with a recommendation. I think the NFL should adjust their draft positions based solely on the 16 game results. The playoffs are simply another season all together. WC teams have gotten hot in the playoffs and went on to win it all, they should have their draft position penalized b/c of it.
ummm, the SB winner picks 32nd? If a WC team makes it to the SB, they pick no higher than 31st?
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
It does seem somewhat unfair that a team gets penalised for winning the SB.
What about moving their second round pick to the top of the second round?
In effect, they would have picks 32 and 33.
Just spitballing here.
What about moving their second round pick to the top of the second round?
In effect, they would have picks 32 and 33.
Just spitballing here.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
What penalty? In theory you just proved you're the best team in football. Seems a bit ridiculous to then turn around and say "well we're not really that good."
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I mean its like a reward for proving yourself the best team in football.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Injuries to the top teams may have made the mission easier for the #12 WC team.....doesn't mean they would beat the best team if healthy.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
And they may not. Guess we can put an asterisk in the record book and draft your way in the seasons AP writers decide the best team didn't win.
Better to keep it purely objective.
The current system is fine.
Give me the Lombardi and I would happily pick 32nd every yr.
ahh, that one little word makes all the difference
A snake draft?... that has problems of it's own towards competitive balance
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Their reward is a trophy that says they're the best.
The Texans won't be getting any compensatory picks this year. The signed more free agents than they lost to other teams.
Free agency is so damn inefficient that you don't really want to play unless you believe yo are close or just cant fill that position otherwise , it can be cap crippling.
Just look at Colvin last year …. $8.5m for hot garbage that didn't even suit up in the last two games. Not a lot of money for a quality corner but way too much for an average or worse corner.
The only OT's worth their salt who changed teams were Solder and Norwell …. all the rest stayed put for the most part. The quality Corner market was just as thin … that's why they paid Colvin more than he was worth.
If it were up to me , the only guys I'd attempt to sign in free agency are proven high quality players and bargain bin types that if they work out will outperform their contracts. I'm not messing around with the middle types , they just aren't cost efficient.
There might be a few exceptions to that rule but not many ….
Also the timing of the use of free agency is important - you don't want to cripple yourself cap wise when you don't have most of the pieces in place …. the last free agency period is a good example of that. They were lacking talent at OT , OG , CB , TE and S … not a real good idea to handcuff yourself going forward when you have so many needs , especially when those positions lack quality talent in the FA pool - particularly OT and CB.
Agreed on the middling type of FA's except when they fit an exact need. Example: WR John Brown is a guy you can use when Fuller goes down again and your offense doesn't miss a beat.
What do you think about signing a middle of the pack FA OT like Donovan Smith or Trent Brown? I like the Idea of signing a vet LT and drafting a young guy that played both LT/RT in college and letting him start out at RT and that way you're covered if your LT gets hurt. Cajuste/Dillard/Scharping come to mind as these types of guys.
At CB Claiborne/Melvin are the only CB that I would consider an upgrade, but there will be some rebuilding teams looking to trade vets for picks and you have to consider doing everything possible to upgrade the CB position, particularly when the Texans are going to be facing the QB's they're going to be facing next yr.
Shishkabob
All Pro
I think if you're serious about upgrading the Oline this offseason you have to get a vet OT in FA. It's a tall order to ask for 1 rookie tackle to come in and make an impact, let alone 2. Colleges don't coach up these guys how they use to so they take time to adjust in most cases. Smith or Brown is a must for this team IMO.
Same goes with Corner, we need multiple corners this off season and if 2/3 of your top corners are rookies you're in for a long season. Claiborne/Melvin are decent options. Another guy I'd keep my eye on if the money is right is Jason Verett. Easily the most talented corner in FA, he can man up and be a true shut down corner when healthy. But thats the thing can he stay healthy? That's the biggest qualifier with him, which makes him a big risk/reward candidate, but if the money is right it makes it very tempting
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Talented vets are a must if you have rookies and can still offer guidance off the field but you must have one that can stay on the field and be field generals. We have been bitten too many times by injury prone guys. Let's go after durable types - even if they are a little below the top tier guys. Save money too.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I had a moment and wanted to check out the updates on the Draft Simulator sites. There has been quite a bit of players movement. Anyhow, the most up to date information was on Fanspeak. Fanspeak of course offers no trades unless you pay for the upgrades....I choose not to, so I did a draft with no trades.
FANSPEAK DRAFT
23: R1P23 Fanspeak Format, I adjusted my draft.
RD1-23-023: Dalton Risner / RT / Kansas State
RD2-21-053: Julian Love / CB / Notre Dame
RD2-23-055: Isaiah Johnson / CB / Houston **Big jump...must be size and speed**
RD3-22-086: Mitch Hyatt / LT / Clemson
RD4- No Picks
RD5-23-162: Corbin Kaufusi / EDGE / BYU **Check this guy out!**
RD6-22-197: Trayveon Williams / RB / Texas A&M **I'm sold after that Bowl Game, guy has game**
RD7-06-222: Matt Sokol / TE / Michigan State **Big blocking TE who helped make the Spartans running game go...even though he wasn't used much as a receiver, he can catch**
This would be a solid draft that addresses several needs. I would still make a big attempt to sign the following FA's to help mold this team:
NON-TEXANS FA
1. LT / Donovan Smith / Tampa Bay / Penn State / Age- 26 / 2018: 1.5M / PFF: Rank- 47 Grade- 66.0: I think he could be the best fit out there since he's already familiar with OB and his offense. Could be a smooth transition.
2. CB / Jason McCourty / New England / Rutgers / Age- 32 / 2018: 3.0M / PFF: Rank- 05 Grade- 83.1: If they could get him for the right money, he'd be a hell of an addition. JJo might be expendable with this signing.
TEXANS To RE-SIGN
1. SS / Kareem Jackson
2. DT / Christian Covington
3. K / Ka'imi Fairbairn
4. FS / Tyrann Mathieu
5. RT / Seantrel Henderson
6. DE / Angelo Blackson
7. DE / Brandon Dunn
8. OLB / Brennan Scarlett
9. ILB / Josh Keyes
TAG and/or TRADE
1. OLB / Jadeveon Clowney
FANSPEAK DRAFT
23: R1P23 Fanspeak Format, I adjusted my draft.
RD1-23-023: Dalton Risner / RT / Kansas State
RD2-21-053: Julian Love / CB / Notre Dame
RD2-23-055: Isaiah Johnson / CB / Houston **Big jump...must be size and speed**
RD3-22-086: Mitch Hyatt / LT / Clemson
RD4- No Picks
RD5-23-162: Corbin Kaufusi / EDGE / BYU **Check this guy out!**
RD6-22-197: Trayveon Williams / RB / Texas A&M **I'm sold after that Bowl Game, guy has game**
RD7-06-222: Matt Sokol / TE / Michigan State **Big blocking TE who helped make the Spartans running game go...even though he wasn't used much as a receiver, he can catch**
This would be a solid draft that addresses several needs. I would still make a big attempt to sign the following FA's to help mold this team:
NON-TEXANS FA
1. LT / Donovan Smith / Tampa Bay / Penn State / Age- 26 / 2018: 1.5M / PFF: Rank- 47 Grade- 66.0: I think he could be the best fit out there since he's already familiar with OB and his offense. Could be a smooth transition.
2. CB / Jason McCourty / New England / Rutgers / Age- 32 / 2018: 3.0M / PFF: Rank- 05 Grade- 83.1: If they could get him for the right money, he'd be a hell of an addition. JJo might be expendable with this signing.
TEXANS To RE-SIGN
1. SS / Kareem Jackson
2. DT / Christian Covington
3. K / Ka'imi Fairbairn
4. FS / Tyrann Mathieu
5. RT / Seantrel Henderson
6. DE / Angelo Blackson
7. DE / Brandon Dunn
8. OLB / Brennan Scarlett
9. ILB / Josh Keyes
TAG and/or TRADE
1. OLB / Jadeveon Clowney
AngryNateFTW
Veteran
As an MSU fan, pass on Sokol. Stone hands and an above average blocker.
Dropped countless TD's/1st downs. Do not want him anywhere near Watson.
Dropped countless TD's/1st downs. Do not want him anywhere near Watson.
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
I think draft positions should be preassigned on a rotational basis independent of records. I think there should be rough parity every draft, i.e. the team with the 1st pick should choose 32nd in round 2. Then there would be no incentive to tank a season for a once-in-a-lifetime QB prospect, etc.
You can kiss league parity goodbye with a snake draft and how do you establish the order if you are ignoring record?
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
The Texans have 2 TE's who can be amazing receiving threats. I want Sokol strictly for blocking purposes. Texans can work on his hands but he's primarily there as a big body blocker.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
If you want soneone "strictly for blocking purposes" might as well run an OT out there.
And it is a resounding fail if the coaches can't make 280 lb Thomas into a decent blocker.
Yeah, using a TE 'strictly for blocking purposes' kinda destroys the value of having a TE on the field. Defense no longer has to guess if he's going out on a route or not
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
To loop back to the FB discussion...
A blocking TE is committed to one side and can be schemed against. He's also forward so can't see pressure except right in front of him. A FB can see the entire line and swing to any threat or release as a safety valve.
But that hope is probably pissin' in the wind.
Probably, but perhaps the moon will turn blue in June and while it's snowing Gaine will sign an UDFA that turns into the next Moose
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
So I'll admit a bit of a Cowboys perspective here. Grew up to Roger Newhouse. Always wanted to see him stand next to Earl because the two of them had the biggest thighs in the NFL. But he was a terror, rushing for 500-930 yds while obliterating people as a blocker. And then Moose came along. He was part of a team that gave up less than 200 sacks in a decade. Both should be HoF.
Obviously that's a high bar, but I think it is foolish to eliminate the position.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Sokol is 6-6 @ 250 lbs+ and he did make some catches but is primarily viewed as a sound blocker. Griffin is 6-6 @ 250 lbs+ and cannot block and has superb hands of stone...not to mention an uncanny ability to commit drive killing penalties....yet he was OB's primary TE all season long. Hell,Sokol would be a major upgrade if he were competing against Griffin. So drop Griffin and replace him with Sokol. At least if OB's OC wants to run a 2 TE set in the RZ, he should have 2 blocking TE's (Thomas and Sokol) to use as an option.
Yeah, but it was Robert, I don't know Roger
Using Griffin as a comparison is weak sauce. Besides, you stated that you wanted Sokol 'strictly for blocking purposes' and that would defeat it's own purposes... maybe as a cheap UDFA that perhaps can find a pair of hands
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Before your time, but Walt Garrison was a great FB for the Cowboys in the 60's and early 70's. Dallas had quite the run on the position.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Yeah, he was Cowboy before my time to a way. His drawl and Lilly defined. And Landry's fedora.
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Walt Garrison (The Cowboy's cowboy) was my favorite player as a kid, followed by Charlie and Cliff. Walt was also a champion cowbouy on the rodeo circuit
Shishkabob
All Pro
I don't think the position is obsolete, 3/4 teams still left have FBs and use them fairly frequently. Especially not obsolete if you want a power run game like OB says he wants. I think our FB was just obsolete, he really did not do anything well at all, he wasn't a very good blocker, he had stone hands, and he was bad on STs. Like all the things you need your FB to be good at, he was bad at.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Are you older?
Older than dirt (57).
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
That's my year of birth.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Well damn, you win
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I'll be 57 this year.....it's going too fast.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
How Kyler Murray's decision could help the Texans' draft prospects
Aaron Wilson , Houston Chronicle Jan. 15, 2019
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Hoping that helps us pursue OT Ford
Aaron Wilson , Houston Chronicle Jan. 15, 2019
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Hoping that helps us pursue OT Ford
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Players the Texans met with at the East-West Shrine Game
Ole Miss safety Zedrick Woods
Purdue Wide Receiver Terry Wright
Elon's OG Olisaemeka Udoh
Auburn WR Ryan Davis
Texas A&M Defensive Lineman Daylon Mack
Ole Miss safety Zedrick Woods
Purdue Wide Receiver Terry Wright
Elon's OG Olisaemeka Udoh
Auburn WR Ryan Davis
Texas A&M Defensive Lineman Daylon Mack