There's a time for everything.
This is coach firing season.
We get to talent acquiring season we'll address talent acquisition .
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State of the O-line
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There's a time for everything.
This is coach firing season.
We get to talent acquiring season we'll address talent acquisition .
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
That's kinda my point. We aren't firing OB or Devlin. Best we can do is add ol talent.
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Something Witty !
So if I offered a plea bargain right now of Jonah Williams and Davids Edwards in the 1st and 2nd round would you take it ?
I want more talent on the OL. I'd also like to stop wasting OL talent. I know we have never had elite OL talent & it's about time we got some.
But we could have 5 potential HOF linemen on the team & the clowns we have calling the shots would put them on defense.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
I'm not familiar with either of them.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
The hope is, with enough ol talent coaching has a smaller impact.
Well I hope we draft 10 1st round Olmen. Then maybe we'll get lucky & three will make the starting line.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
I hope we draft 2 quality te's and use them. Oh, wait.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Lol they got rid of the elite talent there. Remember the line was pretty good before Obrien dismantle it.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
I imagine Austin is a simple guy like me. A bud light or Corona would suffice. Dont go asking for 40 year old scotch cak.
austins23
Hall of Fame
Absolutely....Cak would have to bring his own if he wishes to partake in the upscale stuff.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I'm perfectly happy with just about any beer. Prefer Tecate or Dos Equis to Corona but it's all good. Lone Star is fine (gets drunk a whole lot more in Austin than Houston).
Can't say I don't like a good scotch. But there are excellent reasonable priced ones. Famous Grouse blended is about $17 & Aberlour single malt 10 yr old is about $30. No friggin ice cubes.
Money much better spent than stupid vodkas with almost no flavor difference. No reason to pay more than Tito's.
Please tell me what OL talent was wasted last yr?
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Not familiar with them either. Jeez
I'm just a draftnik
It's draft season
If you get some time check out Cajuste. Big tough guy with a nasty streak.
Dillard is very good in pass pro and was Leach's LT for the last 2 yrs. Strong, Good base, avg to good feet.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
As time goes by I watch less and less. I'll read Scouting reports but watch little college ball.
I love watching college ball.
The atmosphere is awesome.
The Tx high school state championship Saturday is must watch TV for me.
True football
Difference is the Colts jumped out to a 14 pt lead and the Texans failed to hit on a 4th and 4. That and the 4th and 1 pass that Watson missed were the biggest plays of the game. To think just a couple of weeks ago people were criticizing BOB for not going for it on 4th downs. (Which I agreed with then and still do.)
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I like going to HS football games.
I'm just starting on the Olinemen, and I like Cajuste.
Great feet and bend.
It doesn't matter.
We're not all that great in pass pro. 14 points early is nothing.
Besides, O'Brien started the game passing the ball and continued on all the way.
From 0-0, 0-7, to the end.
I wish that would happen but the reality of the situation is that BOB likes Devlin and has no intention of firing him. We can only dream of having Munch here coaching the Texans O-line! Hmm! I wonder what he could get out of Davenport!
There are 2 O-linemen I hope the Texans have their eyes on, Dillard and Lindstrom. My only concern is that after the Combine they will both rise up the draft boards and be gone by the time we pick at #23. Right now both are considered 2nd to 3rd rounders but I don't think that will last. This is considered a weak class for O-linemen but these 2, I think, could turn out to be the cream of the crop. Lindstrom is already rated the 2nd best OG by walterfootball.com. It's still early and there's a long way to go before the Combine and Draft but I'll be keeping my eyes on these two to see how they do. Hope the Texans do the same and maybe if they are lucky can draft one or even both of them!
I wish that would happen but the reality of the situation is that BOB likes Devlin and has no intention of firing him. We can only dream of having Munch here coaching the Texans O-line! Hmm! I wonder what he could get out of Davenport!
Yeah, our best hope is for Daniel C. McNair to over-rule him and forces a change
I wish that would happen but the reality of the situation is that BOB likes Devlin and has no intention of firing him. We can only dream of having Munch here coaching the Texans O-line! Hmm! I wonder what he could get out of Davenport!
Hopefully BO'bs statements about Devlin are coach speak for, "We're going to fire him if a better candidate becomes available. I'm stubborn & particular & I'm not going to hire just anyone. I'm still trying to woo Brian Ferentz to the NFL. He's just one guy I have in mind, but there are a few others. I understand Devlin has limitations, & we're working on them. I'm not going to start over unless it's with one of the guys we've previously identified."
hopefully....
you believe in magic, right?
nice fantasy
Right, I doubt that offensive lineman with potential entering the NFL Draft this Spring will go unnoticed by 31 NFL teams.
AggiebyMarriage
Waterboy
The problem is that we only have (1) 1st Rounder and (2) 2nd Rounders this year.
As I have stated previously " Around 50% of OL drafted in the 1st Round are busts (I will quote sources, for proof if needed).
If we want to try to fix the OT disaster that we experienced last year, we better pick up at least one serviceable OT in FA (I would like to get two), and then draft two OT's in the first two rounds. Yes, we will end up wasting draft picks by overdrafting the OT position, but that is what must be done to fix this problem.
What OT's to sign in FA, and who to draft, I will leave to those who know player evaluaton much better than I do.
But statistics say that by a combination both signing FA OT's and drafting OT's. the Texans should have a good chance of keeping Deshauan out of the intensive care unit next year.
PS: And yes they better Sign FA CB's and Draft CB's also.
A plan I'm on board with. Sign Donovan Smith and draft Cajuste/Dillard and the OL would rival the Colts in just 1 offseason. Imagine how good Watson could be behind a top 5 OL.
Then draft a CB and a WR and call it a day. I know they would be missing out on a RB but you can only fix so much in 1 offseason and fixing these to areas should take priority.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
You can repeat all day and it's still false. At best it is 50% don't end up at their projected position. That is not synonymous with bust. There are very few can't find a home on the OL busts in the 1st.
They signed two guards in FA & drafted a guy most suited to play Guard & stuck him at LT.
Makes it hard for me to believe these guys know what they're doing. We could draft the best linemen in the entire draft & I'm convinced the team would be better with a better offensive coach.
If we win 14 games we probably should have won 16. If we get to the Divisional round we probably should have won the Super Bowl.
I know you're excited about Brian Gain. But what makes you think BO'b could do better with more talent is beyond me. He has not shown to be a competent coach in 5 years.
They signed two guards in FA & drafted a guy most suited to play Guard & stuck him at LT.
Makes it hard for me to believe these guys know what they're doing. We could draft the best linemen in the entire draft & I'm convinced the team would be better with a better offensive coach.
If we win 14 games we probably should have won 16. If we get to the Divisional round we probably should have won the Super Bowl.
I know you're excited about Brian Gain. But what makes you think BO'b could do better with more talent is beyond me. He has not shown to be a competent coach in 5 years.
I'm not playing this game with you anymore. If you cant figure out what I'm thinking by reading the last 1,000 posts or more I cant help you.
Let's just agree to disagree and just wait and see what happens.
ColeThornton
Waterboy
I've seen enough of OB too, but we're stuck with him. It's why we had such a lively debate a year ago when there were those who actually defended the extension. There's no franchise tag for coaches, but he said he'd coach this year without an extension and the team was too stupid to do it. The majority of coaches still in the playoffs have an average of two years at head coach. The older guys left, had more success than OB early on. I've listed over 20 head coaches who made it to the AFC or NFC championship game in less time than OB has had, just during the Texans era. I don't know who the next coach is that can take this team to the next level. But just like we had to go through Mallet, Keenum, Hoyer, Yates, Weedon, Osweiler and Savage before we found Watson, if we don't start the process, we'll end up like Cincinnati some day looking back at all the years that were wasted with a head coach who never could do it. I would ask those who don't think five years is enough to know what you've got in a head coach, how many does it take, 7, 10, 15?They signed two guards in FA & drafted a guy most suited to play Guard & stuck him at LT.
Makes it hard for me to believe these guys know what they're doing. We could draft the best linemen in the entire draft & I'm convinced the team would be better with a better offensive coach.
If we win 14 games we probably should have won 16. If we get to the Divisional round we probably should have won the Super Bowl.
I know you're excited about Brian Gain. But what makes you think BO'b could do better with more talent is beyond me. He has not shown to be a competent coach in 5 years.
It's yr 1 with BOB's guy (Gaine) in place. A very promising yr at that.
Just as an example of how coaching matters.
Eric Ebron. Little hoopla when drafted. High expectations. Eh... in Detroit. Goes to the Colts, same guy. Maybe he had a come to Jesus moment, decided to get serious about his career. Maybe.
But I think having a coach who can see your strengths & is able to coach to those strengths make a world of difference.
Eric Ebron. Little hoopla when drafted. High expectations. Eh... in Detroit. Goes to the Colts, same guy. Maybe he had a come to Jesus moment, decided to get serious about his career. Maybe.
But I think having a coach who can see your strengths & is able to coach to those strengths make a world of difference.
Most seem to be advocating for major changes on the o-line but I would prefer a more incremental approach. Keep Davenport (who was always considered a project and started playing better in the second half of the season), Martin and Fulton. Substitute Rankin for Kelemete and draft a plug-and-play RT (maybe Edwards from Wisconsin).
Combine that with a new o-line coach, an additional year of growth from Watson and mix in a few more quick hitches and slants from a healthy Coutee and we should see major improvement.
Combine that with a new o-line coach, an additional year of growth from Watson and mix in a few more quick hitches and slants from a healthy Coutee and we should see major improvement.
ColeThornton
Waterboy
Promising? We finished the season 2-3 while the Colts won 5 straight. The Colts just embarrassed us in our building. Our QB with the weight of the franchise on his shoulders ends up 15th QBR and has the worse game of his career in the biggest game of his NFL career. Now he's pointing fingers at team mates. All of a sudden instead of being a QB away, the team has needs in 3-5 areas depending on who you ask and for the first time in O'Brien's career he's got a tough NFL schedule ahead of him next year instead of one of the easiest.
Promising?
Sure, that's all we've ever gotten from this organization... promises!
Texansballer74
The Marine
Now look at the offensive line of the Colts now. Straight trash but jokers on here given them all types of praise.
RAC didn't bring any type of heat. That's why Luck looked so good against us.
Now can we all agree both coordinators failed us.
RAC didn't bring any type of heat. That's why Luck looked so good against us.
Now can we all agree both coordinators failed us.
So you aren't a Sentrel Henderson fan?
If it is true BO'b & BG are on the same page, Kelemente, Fulton, & Henderson are more likely part of our future than not.
I can see being disappointed in Kelemente's availability, but with Rankin now considered a guard, I doubt we'll bring in another.
I don't think Davenport is the future at LT, but unless they get the guy they want he probably won't be replaced.
I can see bringing in a center.
Or not. I still wonder if Watson was simply confusing everyone with the way he was calling protection.
Texansballer74
The Marine
They signed two guards in FA & drafted a guy most suited to play Guard & stuck him at LT.
Makes it hard for me to believe these guys know what they're doing. We could draft the best linemen in the entire draft & I'm convinced the team would be better with a better offensive coach.
If we win 14 games we probably should have won 16. If we get to the Divisional round we probably should have won the Super Bowl.
I know you're excited about Brian Gain. But what makes you think BO'b could do better with more talent is beyond me. He has not shown to be a competent coach in 5 years.
That's the problem Thunder dude is messing these linemen up moving them out of their natural element. I can see if he was only using a few backups like that. But his starters should play their true position.
ColeThornton
Waterboy
They sure did. Is that another area of concern for the Texans... after all they've devoted to the DL. Worse than that, the team that just embarrassed us was taken apart by the Chiefs. The more the playoffs develop, the more it looks like that 11-5 was a product of a weak schedule(again), then indicative of the strength of the Texans.
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you'd love Bruce Arians... check out what he says at the 8:30 mark.
The Chiefs didn't get close to Luck when they were only rushing 3 or 4. They got to him by changing things up and having corners that could cover. It was more a failure by Crennel in the first half than anything the players did or didn't do
To me, football is about match ups, and I think the Colts whipped us because they are a bad match up for us given how our team was constructed this year. We’ve got older slower DBs, we cannot cover TEs, our poor OL allowed their pretty good pass rushers to look elite and their OL is good enough to stifle our pass rush (at least the way we tried to play).
The Chiefs, as JB mentioned, had DBs that were good in coverage, and they were able to generate a better pass rush, particularly from the inside with Chris Jones. I don’t remember him getting sacks but he was pushing the pocket into to Lucks lap all night and he knocked several passes down. On offense the Chiefs have a better line and more weapons, which made the Colts defense look average to me.
I can’t understand what RAC was doing with regards to our pass rush. We were 26th in 3rd down defense and I remember us giving up numerous 3rd and longs in multiple games. In obvious passing situations I would have liked to have seen Watt and Covington inside with Clowney and Mercilus at DE. There’s no way Glowinski can handle Watt 1 on 1, they’d have to double team him which would create 1 on 1 match ups for the other guys. I would also like to have seen a 3-4 align with Watt and Clowney at DE, Covington at NG and Mercilus and either McKinney or Ejiofor at OLB with Cunningham and Cole- who is our best cover LB inside. With our secondary, we have to get to the QB in a hurry or we’ll be in trouble.
Mercilus was completely miss used this year. We effectively took a good player and made him mediocre. If they are going to continue to use him this way they should just trade him, and sign an ILB that can cover TEs. I also wouldn’t be opposed to McKinney being moved to SOLB. He’s a terrific blitzer so I think he would be a plus pass rushers and I think playing him at SOLB would help him in coverage (less of the field to cover)
The Chiefs, as JB mentioned, had DBs that were good in coverage, and they were able to generate a better pass rush, particularly from the inside with Chris Jones. I don’t remember him getting sacks but he was pushing the pocket into to Lucks lap all night and he knocked several passes down. On offense the Chiefs have a better line and more weapons, which made the Colts defense look average to me.
I can’t understand what RAC was doing with regards to our pass rush. We were 26th in 3rd down defense and I remember us giving up numerous 3rd and longs in multiple games. In obvious passing situations I would have liked to have seen Watt and Covington inside with Clowney and Mercilus at DE. There’s no way Glowinski can handle Watt 1 on 1, they’d have to double team him which would create 1 on 1 match ups for the other guys. I would also like to have seen a 3-4 align with Watt and Clowney at DE, Covington at NG and Mercilus and either McKinney or Ejiofor at OLB with Cunningham and Cole- who is our best cover LB inside. With our secondary, we have to get to the QB in a hurry or we’ll be in trouble.
Mercilus was completely miss used this year. We effectively took a good player and made him mediocre. If they are going to continue to use him this way they should just trade him, and sign an ILB that can cover TEs. I also wouldn’t be opposed to McKinney being moved to SOLB. He’s a terrific blitzer so I think he would be a plus pass rushers and I think playing him at SOLB would help him in coverage (less of the field to cover)
Exactaly!
Great post,
I agree with everything but moving Watt inside. That's a bad idea with Watt's injury history. RAC did use Clowney inside a few times every game and he was usually quite effective.
I absolutely love the idea of moving McKinney outside sometimes. There's nothing terribly wrong that a couple of fast cover CB's wouldn't do to make this defense a top 5 defense. If it was me I would sign Claiborne and draft Ballentine in the 2nd and Blace Brown in the 3rd. Although after the combine I could see Ballentine going in the 1st right around the time the Texans are picking. He's a small school guy who's going to be really good once he gets used to the NFL's speed.
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