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Who should the Texans target for the OC job?

Mangler

Mangler

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I think the Texans should go after Clemson’s Tony Elliot. While I’d rather they hire an experienced NFL OC, I wouldn’t mind seeing a succesful college OC have a go. Hell, I’d even settle for Jeff Scott. Anyone but O’Brien, please!

Anywho, who’s your pick for the vacant OC position?
 
powda

powda

The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
If he were to do it (and I dont think he will) it would be inhouse...

Sean Ryan- qb coach.
 
infantrycak

infantrycak

Hall of Fame
powda said:
One would think if they had such a high opinion of the te coach they might use 2 rookie stud te's a bit more.

Not dispelling any rumors I know nothing about but - use the Jordan's ob. Please.
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Oh it gets better. He played defense and most of his coaching has been on defense. But he's a friend of OB.
 
powda

powda

The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
infantrycak said:
Oh it gets better. He played defense and most of his coaching has been on defense. But he's a friend of OB.
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I dont see how a guy like this wouldn't conform to anything OB wants. That's why I want an outside party to be oc.

I always loved Kyle Shanahan's route combos downfield. I love watching some play designs from Andy Reid and nagy.

Our offensive design is uninspired and the timing of the calls (2 back to back wr screens) is inept.
 
austins23

austins23

Hall of Fame
I'm gonna be pissed if it's an in house pick for OC. Apparently NOBODY there knows offense or OB is just a big egoed ass hole that won't take any input from anyone.

I hear Bill Callahan wants out of Washington. I'd like him to help the Oline and or the running game. Get on it OB!

EDIT: I'm gonna really be pissed if OB keeps the job for himself....
 
Mangler

Mangler

Toro de España
austins23 said:
I'm gonna be pissed if it's an in house pick for OC. Apparently NOBODY there knows offense or OB is just a big egoed ass hole that won't take any input from anyone.

I hear Bill Callahan wants out of Washington. I'd like him to help the Oline and or the running game. Get on it OB!

EDIT: I'm gonna really be pissed if OB keeps the job for himself....
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What?! You don’t have faith in our QB guru? Well, be prepared to be upset! O’Brien is reportedly keeping the same coaching staff intact. He has also made claims that he will “fix everything” for 2019, and going forward.” I pray that Cal forces him to hire someone to call the plays on offense cause surely he watches other teams play football. He should be able to see that his team looks nothing like the teams that have advanced to round 2 of the playoffs. (Skill-wise)
 
welsh texan

welsh texan

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That Heck guy is OL coach in KC.

His line has done what's needed to get a running game producing and has given Mahomes time to do his thing.

He's also had a front row seat to what Reid has in his playbook also.

IDK how these things work with the coaching trees etc whether it's realistic though.
 
maverick512000

maverick512000

Hall of Fame
I think BoB is doing a fine job as the OC. The problem is we haven't gotten him what he needs to be successful at it. Like Belichick as HC and Tom Brady as QB. Really without those two things how can anybody be expected to succeed.

Seriously though I wouldn't be against Tony Elliot though why the hell would he leave Clemson. They've had several good years now and he's most likely making as much as the Texan's would offer. Only reason I can see it is because he could see working with Watson, who he knows how to win with, as a great way to build his resume for later. Hell it worked for BoB working with Brady.
 
JB

JB

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amazing80 said:
If McCarthy doesn’t get a HC job maybe OB can lure him over. Doubtful though
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After 13 years coaching the Green Bay Packers, Mike McCarthy is taking a break.

McCarthy told ESPN that he’s decided to take 2019 off from coaching. But only one year — he said he’ll be “locked and loaded and ready to go for next year.”

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link
 
Shishkabob

Shishkabob

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infantrycak said:
Oh it gets better. He played defense and most of his coaching has been on defense. But he's a friend of OB.
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yup which is why if it was an internal hire I rather it be Ryan, Ryan at least has coached under other people in this league. So he carries some outside perspective. Kelly is just like Godsey, followed OB here worked with him at PSU and will probably have the same fate is promoted.

But yea from the rumblings they aren't going to promote Ryan, so he will probably leave and go coach the Jags as they are rumored to be interested in him. Which is awesome because he knows Watson as well as anyone so he can give them the blue print on him
 
Surreal McCoy

Surreal McCoy

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I am vehemently against hiring any OC, in house or otherwise. Why? Because when it all goes tits up in 2019, and it most definitely will, an OC will just be another in the litany of excuses for this failure of a HC.
 
JB

JB

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Surreal McCoy said:
I am vehemently against hiring any OC, in house or otherwise. Why? Because when it all goes tits up in 2019, and it most definitely will, an OC will just be another in the litany of excuses for this failure of a HC.
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So, in other words you are hoping the Texans fail miserably? GTFO!
 
Brisco_County

Brisco_County

Apples and roadmaps
powda said:
Our offensive design is uninspired and the timing of the calls (2 back to back wr screens) is inept.
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He calls that screen two or three times a game. The Colts shut it down last time. At this point it's a setup for a pick six.

maverick512000 said:
I think BoB is doing a fine job as the OC. The problem is we haven't gotten him what he needs to be successful at it. Like Belichick as HC and Tom Brady as QB. Really without those two things how can anybody be expected to succeed.
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Belichick won 11 games with Matt Cassel at QB. I'd like to see what a Belichick-coached Texans team would do to the Colts right now.

A coach must strategize with the resources he has, not the resources he wants. O'Brien has repeatedly demonstrated an inability to accurately assess his players' strengths, weaknesses, and development, then strategize accordingly. In my opinion, it's due to a gap in the transfer of knowledge between players and coaches. My suspicion was supported by an episode of Hard Knocks when a dysfunctional, Mallet-led Texans team suffered an embarrassing pre-season loss. The failures were not only on Mallet; the defense was inept. At practice the following Monday, O'Brien told Romeo to let the players tutor each other on each play call, then we see O'Brien yelling to coaches, "I want to see what they know!" It was the right idea because the defense improved, but why didn't O'Brien already know what they knew? Why the vast disconnect? We saw that disconnect again that season during the infamous route by Miami where the players again looked lost (they used the bye week to recalibrate and bounce back). But now in 2018 we're again seeing evidence of a disconnect where players fail to execute the system (as RAC has stated). Why does this disconnect between players and coaches keep emerging?

Now I do blame many of the problems on the limitations on the players, but the transfer of knowledge is not a one-way street. The coach must also be assessing the player, then gameplan accordingly.
 
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Texazan

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Mangler said:
I think the Texans should go after Clemson’s Tony Elliot. While I’d rather they hire an experienced NFL OC, I wouldn’t mind seeing a succesful college OC have a go. Hell, I’d even settle for Jeff Scott. Anyone but O’Brien, please!

Anywho, who’s your pick for the vacant OC position?
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Rumor is Tony Elliot may be going to Georgia Tech as HC but that doesn't matter.

BOB will have a figure head at OC or keep it himself. Give him credit, he figures if he goes down he goes down doing it HIS WAY in a spectacular ball of fire.
 
Honoring Earl 34

Honoring Earl 34

Something Witty !
https://www.amazon.com/Lombardi-Landry-Footballs-Greatest-Launched/dp/1616084413


Vince Lombardi and Tom Landry could not have had two more divergent personalities. Yet, while working for the New York Giants in the mid-1950s under head coach Jim Lee Howell, the pair formed what still stands as the greatest set of coordinators on one team. Given their personalities, one might have likened Howell’s job to that of Dwight Eisenhower’s as the general struggled to control the egos and politics of his allied subordinates during WWII. But for some reason, Lombardi and Landry worked almost seamlessly, leading the Giants to the top of the NFL. In the five seasons the two men coached together between 1956 and 1959, the Giants appeared in three championship games, winning the NFL title in ‘56.
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infantrycak

infantrycak

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Honoring Earl 34 said:
https://www.amazon.com/Lombardi-Landry-Footballs-Greatest-Launched/dp/1616084413





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You win.

Need to point out Landry actually became DC in 1954 while still a player. In fact he was a probowl & all pro safety in 1954. Did everything. 1st gig was punter and he ended up starting both safety (32 INTs) and punter. Became an unofficial coach from day one. Rare coach who created schemes on both sides of the ball. Invented the 4-3 defense and flex variant (specifically to counter Lombardi). Popularized motion, shotgun & shift on offense in the NFL.
 
Honoring Earl 34

Honoring Earl 34

Something Witty !
infantrycak said:
You win.

Need to point out Landry actually became DC in 1954 while still a player. In fact he was a probowl & all pro safety in 1954. Did everything. 1st gig was punter and he ended up starting both safety (32 INTs) and punter. Became an unofficial coach from day one. Rare coach who created schemes on both sides of the ball. Invented the 4-3 defense and flex variant.
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He was in the military wasn't he ?
 
infantrycak

infantrycak

Hall of Fame
Honoring Earl 34 said:
He was in the military wasn't he ?
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Quit UT (he was from Mission, TX) to volunteer Air Corps. Completed 30 B-17 missions in Europe.

Just wasn't thinking that far back in my original list. Good argument to be made it should be the Landry trophy. From player to coach he was the man.
 
Shishkabob

Shishkabob

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Assistant shocker: Gary Kubiak will not be Denver’s offensive coordinator, league sources tell ESPN.

After lengthy discussions, Denver and Kubiak had different ideas on staffing and offensive philosophies. Both sides going in different directions.

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) January 11, 2019

Sure was nice of John to deny Kubs the ability to interview for other OC jobs, and then decide that things aren't going to work out after those jobs have been filled...
 
W

Wolf6151

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I don't know that hiring any OC would help this team, O'Brien is steadfastly determined (ego) that his system is the way to go and determined to hammer the square peg into the round hole.
 
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