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Neiter will fall..........its D'BRICK all the way....Maddict5 said:now that we've got weaver and passed on schaffer-the only serviceable LT(that isnt 30+), i presume that rules mario out of our plans and makes it a straight choice between reggie and D'brick. i think we'll take reggie and hope winston or justice falll to #33
Maddict5 said:now that we've got weaver and passed on schaffer-the only serviceable LT(that isnt 30+), i presume that rules mario out of our plans and makes it a straight choice between reggie and D'brick. i think we'll take reggie and hope winston or justice falll to #33
Maddict5 said:you never know..they're are alot of varying mock out there. from 15 on its a toss up..lots of talented cbs,wrs,lbs and safeties some1 will have to fall
There is still a chance that we trade with the Titans...They want a QB...They tried getting Culpepper but failed...im convinced that they are targeting either Leinart or Bush.....Maddict5 said:i still hope to get a trade but NO taking brees will screw that up. if that happens a trade-down is too dodgy imo unless its some1 like miami that takes it(ie.for leinart)
mario more than likely wont be a bust but i see your point. im not as down on weaver or the contract as many others as he was the only SDE i would've wanted to go after in FA and we have to overpay(not that much i think but anyway). peek is probably gone so babin will be WDE. 1 of our major needs is filled so now we can concentrate on o-line, fs, mlb, te, cb#2, wr #2 in the draft.nunusguy said:One very important factor to consider about Weaver - he won't be a bust in the NFL. Probably won't go to the Pro Bowl anytime real soon, but won't be a bust either. Who knows about "Super Mario": might go to the HOF or might be a bust. So in the all important 4-3 strong side DE position, we've effectively eliminated the upside potential but also the downside risk with the Weaver acquisition. And we've also now rounded out our starters in the DLine: Weaver,TJ,R.Smith,Peek/Babin/someone else we might draft in April in rounds subsequent to the 1st.
A couple of things. I highly doubt Peek is gone as anyone taking him gives up a 1st round pick.....would you? With Weaver's selection it seems relatively clear that the FO believes that a trade down is unlikely, so Mario is no longer in the picture (just can't sell him at #1) and they took the best YOUNG DE available. Our first is amost certain at this point to be Bush and I suspect the next will be the best tackle available.Maddict5 said:mario more than likely wont be a bust but i see your point. im not as down on weaver or the contract as many others as he was the only SDE i would've wanted to go after in FA and we have to overpay(not that much i think but anyway). peek is probably gone so babin will be WDE. 1 of our major needs is filled so now we can concentrate on o-line, fs, mlb, te, cb#2, wr #2 in the draft.
mlb will be the hardest position to fill i think. who else is realistically possible to fill those needs durin FA
Yes it is negotiable, but if they were happy with a 3rd they would have low tendered him and saved $800k in cap room.Maddict5 said:like i said in another thread- that 1st rounder is negotiable- if the team is only offered a 3rd rounder- and is happy with that- hes gone
I'm with you still.BuffSoldier said:Lets go get that big Brick. I want him, the Texans want him, so whats the problem.
D'Brick won't happen at #1, and I doubt they look to trade down and get him. Like Dunta said and I've been saying for a while, the Texans seem satisfied with Pitts at LT and have been high on Bush all along, so #1 is going to be Bush unless they decide to grab Mario to play RDE for us and then we're somewhat stuck with what to do with Peek, so I think it's Bush. They could look for a RT at #33 (Daryn Colledge would fit pretty well although I don't think he's a great value at #33), or we could definitely go defense at #33 since we're going offense at #1 (Johnathan Joseph would be a good pick at #33 if he falls to that spot).YoungTexanFan said:I'm with you still.
But I'll be honest, Mario was starting to look REALLY good.
D'brick at #1!!!
Every team has been satified with Bush, you wont find a draft board that doesnt have him as the #1 rated player, but there are a lot of draft boards that have D'Brick as a close second. Ferguson may not happen at #1 but he is still a huge possibility for the Texans who are in dire need of a franchise LT, no matter how satisfied they seem to be with Pitts.MorKnolle said:D'Brick won't happen at #1, and I doubt they look to trade down and get him. Like Dunta said and I've been saying for a while, the Texans seem satisfied with Pitts at LT and have been high on Bush all along, so #1 is going to be Bush unless they decide to grab Mario to play RDE for us and then we're somewhat stuck with what to do with Peek, so I think it's Bush. They could look for a RT at #33 (Daryn Colledge would fit pretty well although I don't think he's a great value at #33), or we could definitely go defense at #33 since we're going offense at #1 (Johnathan Joseph would be a good pick at #33 if he falls to that spot).
I don't think Ferguson is rated the #2 overall player on anyone's draft board. Mario Williams is a pretty clear #2 for most teams and maybe even a #1 on some. We have our franchise LT in Chester Pitts and we're paying him a OG's salary rather than a LT's salary, and the team from all appearances is satisfied with him as their LT, so D'Brick is basically out of the picture. Ever since the Combine I think the decision was basically Reggie Bush vs. Mario Williams, and with Weaver's signing it looks like Mario is a definite long shot now and it's all Bush at #1. The Texans could very well look for a RT in free agency or in the first day of the draft, but they won't be looking at D'Brick.BuffSoldier said:Every team has been satified with Bush, you wont find a draft board that doesnt have him as the #1 rated player, but there are a lot of draft boards that have D'Brick as a close second. Ferguson may not happen at #1 but he is still a huge possibility for the Texans who are in dire need of a franchise LT, no matter how satisfied they seem to be with Pitts.
we're "stuck" with bush?big homey said:It looks like we're suck with Bush at #1. The staff seems to like Pitts at LT and McKinney at LG, so no D'Brick. Our SDE spot is covered by Anthony Weaver, so no Mario. With Brees and Culpepper hurting Leinart's stock, our trade down options are slimming. What choice do we have?
WHAT OTHERS SAY:big homey said:It looks like we're suck with Bush at #1.
Y'all took that WAY out of context. What I meant is that our options are shrinking, and it looks more and more certain that we're getting Bush. I don't mind - he is an elite prospect, but I just want us to really go for an elite lineman.stevo3883 said:we're "stuck" with bush?
He's the highest rated prospect in years, jeeze...
Scouts Inc top 100:MorKnolle said:I don't think Ferguson is rated the #2 overall player on anyone's draft board. Mario Williams is a pretty clear #2 for most teams and maybe even a #1 on some. We have our franchise LT in Chester Pitts and we're paying him a OG's salary rather than a LT's salary, and the team from all appearances is satisfied with him as their LT, so D'Brick is basically out of the picture. Ever since the Combine I think the decision was basically Reggie Bush vs. Mario Williams, and with Weaver's signing it looks like Mario is a definite long shot now and it's all Bush at #1. The Texans could very well look for a RT in free agency or in the first day of the draft, but they won't be looking at D'Brick.
Can somebody point me to where the staff said this? I keep seeing it on the board but can't find out:big homey said:The staff seems to like Pitts at LT and McKinney at LG...
Way to pick out four sites that support your opinion. Casserly has said before that they think Pitts is their LT, Kubiak and Sherman both like Pitts at LT, and they have never really mentioned drafting Ferguson in the last couple months. I didn't say Pitts was a great franchise LT, but they consider him their long-term solution at LT, hence I called him the franchise LT because they plan for him to be the man, in the same way David Carr is their franchise QB. Pitts was a OT in college and has played OT for half of his pro career, they initially thought he might be an OG because he was relatively small for an OT, but obviously he has played well enough to change their minds.BuffSoldier said:Scouts Inc top 100:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/index
etc...
- Reggie Bush
- D'Brickashaw Ferguson
- Matt Leinart
- Vince Young
- Mario Williams
Mario Williams #5
NFL DraftCountdown.com:
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/rankings.html
etc...
- Reggie Bush
- D'Brickashaw Ferguson
- Matt Leinart
- Mario Williams
Mario Williams #4
NFLDraftShowcase.com: http://www.draftshowcase.com/top10006.htm
etc...
- Reggie Bush
- D'Brickashaw Ferguson
- AJ Hawk
- Mario Williams
Mario Williams #4
OTC.com: http://2006.ontheclockdraft.com/group_list.php?method=top100
etc...
- Reggie Bush
- D'Brickashaw Ferguson
- Mario Williams
#3 Mario Williams
http://www.nflanswers.com/
There are tuns more, and I doubt that you could find many boards that have Williams rated over Ferguson. One is Mel Kiper, but other than that I havent found any. So do some research before you speak on something like that.
Thats because he was drafted as an OG(http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/2002#round2 Chwck the site, he was an OG) and will NEVER be a franchise LT, and to call him that questions your intelligence about what the word frachise player is. I guess you could call every average player in the league a franchise player. Why draft Reggie. I think DD is a better RB than Pitts is a LT so doesnt that make DD a franchise RB. Yeah and we just signed a franchise DE in FA, so now we have a Franchise RB, LT, QB, WR, CB, DE,and DT yessssss. Superbowl here we come.:brickwall
Thank you Mr. Casserly, I bet you really know their draft board.
Considering that the Bowns signed Schaffer for a 7 year deal worth more than $5mil a year,and Hutchinson is getting $6Mil a year,i'll be happy to get a OL in the draft.I think we can get a solid OL at #33.Maddict5 said:now that we've got weaver and passed on schaffer-the only serviceable LT(that isnt 30+), i presume that rules mario out of our plans and makes it a straight choice between reggie and D'brick. i think we'll take reggie and hope winston or justice falll to #33
Have you got a link for that, did you hear it on the radio, or where did they say it?MorKnolle said:Casserly has said before that they think Pitts is their LT, Kubiak and Sherman both like Pitts at LT ... they consider him their long-term solution at LT
True, the top OLinemen in this free agent market got paid and it goes to show the value of having great OLinemen. Hutchinson is supposed to be getting $7 million a year ($49M for 7 years) which is way more than I'd pay for him, same with LeCharles Bentley. I would have like to see us be more active with targeting one top player on each side of the ball, but it appears we're continuing with our past trend of targeting mid-level players and paying them top 15-20 money at their position.whiskeyrbl said:Considering that the Bowns signed Schaffer for a 7 year deal worth more than $5mil a year,and Hutchinson is getting $6Mil a year,i'll be happy to get a OL in the draft.I think we can get a solid OL at #33.
Mainly on the radio, it was a frequent topic towards the end of the regular season before Vince Young took over the local airwaves, and they haven't mentioned Ferguson in a long time, lately it's mainly been Bush, some on Mario, and an occasional comment on Vince.Runner said:Have you got a link for that, did you hear it on the radio, or where did they say it?
MorKnolle said:Mainly on the radio, it was a frequent topic towards the end of the regular season before Vince Young took over the local airwaves, and they haven't mentioned Ferguson in a long time, lately it's mainly been Bush, some on Mario, and an occasional comment on Vince.
Ditto. After watching the combine and seeing the "freak" Mario at work, there is no way in hell that D'brick can be rated higher. This guy is the real deal. I use to be in the Reggie camp but I would not be upset whatsoever if we selected this guy.......trading down or AT #1.MorKnolle said:Way to pick out four sites that support your opinion. Casserly has said before that they think Pitts is their LT, Kubiak and Sherman both like Pitts at LT, and they have never really mentioned drafting Ferguson in the last couple months. I didn't say Pitts was a great franchise LT, but they consider him their long-term solution at LT, hence I called him the franchise LT because they plan for him to be the man, in the same way David Carr is their franchise QB. Pitts was a OT in college and has played OT for half of his pro career, they initially thought he might be an OG because he was relatively small for an OT, but obviously he has played well enough to change their minds.
As for Mario Williams, if you read most articles from the Combine or many draft analysts from after the combine they'll say Mario is the second if not the best player in this draft, and if you actually talk to people in the league then you'll find many more people that favor Mario over Ferguson than the other way around.
As for the draft board, I'm pretty sure I have a better idea of it than you do, and I can guarantee we won't be drafting D'Brickashaw Ferguson, or Vince Young for that matter.
No, Casserly on several interviews on the radio.Runner said:So it was the radio announcers and callers rather than Casserly, Kubiak, or Sherman?
MorKnolle said:No, Casserly on several interviews on the radio.
Quite understandable, I wish I had a more concrete link for it because I also generally prefer to see some deeper credibility on such issues.Runner said:OK, thanks. Since you said that was mostly before the end of the season in your previous post, I'm going to assume Kubiak and Sherman didn't weigh in on the subject then. I really don't beleive they've released a depth chart yet.
By the way, I wasn't just questioning you on this subject. I've seen it all over and I've started to challenge it because I don't think it's true, even if it has reached urban legend proportions. You're just the only one that has responded at all.
No one has asked them about Ferguson, all they have talked about is Vince and Reggie, and trading down. They didnt say who they would tradedown for, what NFL GM tells everyone who he is going to move up/down for, that would be stupid. They hadnt said anything about Mario Williams either, but we all thought that he was an option. So what does them talking about him have to say bout anything. Plus GMs and coaches love to blow smoke, thats what they do this time of year, so them not talking about Ferguson may actaully be an indicator that they are really interested in him. AND EVERY ONE KNOWS THAT PITTS INST A FRANCHISE LT, NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY. HE IS SERVICABLE, BUT NOT IN ANY WAY AN TOP NFL CALIBER TACKLE.MorKnolle said:Way to pick out four sites that support your opinion. Casserly has said before that they think Pitts is their LT, Kubiak and Sherman both like Pitts at LT, and they have never really mentioned drafting Ferguson in the last couple months. I didn't say Pitts was a great franchise LT, but they consider him their long-term solution at LT, hence I called him the franchise LT because they plan for him to be the man, in the same way David Carr is their franchise QB. Pitts was a OT in college and has played OT for half of his pro career, they initially thought he might be an OG because he was relatively small for an OT, but obviously he has played well enough to change their minds.
As for Mario Williams, if you read most articles from the Combine or many draft analysts from after the combine they'll say Mario is the second if not the best player in this draft, and if you actually talk to people in the league then you'll find many more people that favor Mario over Ferguson than the other way around.
As for the draft board, I'm pretty sure I have a better idea of it than you do, and I can guarantee we won't be drafting D'Brickashaw Ferguson, or Vince Young for that matter.
Why can't the Texans trade DOWN with NY Jets.....with John Abraham thrown in the mix.....THEN select Ferguson?Texans>Colts said:I say trade down to the Jets and pick D'Brick with the 4th overall pick
HeadlyLemar said:Why can't the Texans trade DOWN with NY Jets.....with John Abraham thrown in the mix.....THEN select Ferguson?
It still may happen, because if they did want to trade up, then they would have to give up a first rounder next year, so it would be kinda like they were getting a first rounder by keeping the one they will have next year, but I dont think that they will go for that, especially if they sign ramsey, if the dont sign him, then I think that we still have a chance.Trenches said:that was my initial thought as well and would upgrade BOTH lines. but the Jets want a 1st rounder for Abraham and going up to #1 probably isnt enough. I'm sure they talked about it and I would find it hard to believe (even for our group of clowns) that we would have walked away from that deal.
ExactlyCoach C. said:wow, i just wish that i could send a picture and post it on this message board to make all the naysayers just feel dumb about some of their post. But we cant and we wont. Ferguson is a hell of a player and on almost every website or media draft board he rated higher than Mario Williams.
Talking to several scouts and player personnel guys after the combine they feel that Mario is the better prospect now. That may change as soon as Virginia holds its pro day though.
BuffSoldier said:It still may happen, because if they did want to trade up, then they would have to give up a first rounder next year, so it would be kinda like they were getting a first rounder by keeping the one they will have next year, but I dont think that they will go for that, especially if they sign ramsey, if the dont sign him, then I think that we still have a chance.
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This assumes that they are both expected to reach "franchise" status. If franchise LTs have a higher value the franchise DEs, it is because it is harder to be one.edo783 said:In the grand scheme of things, if there is a franchise level LT and a franchise level DE, the LT typically will have a higher over all value, hence DBrick is typically rated ahead of Mario. Which team is picking at what time will dictate what the value of each is at that moment and that will be who they will pick to best benifit their respective team. Doesn't mean one is better nessicarily better than the other, just worth more to that team at that moment.