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Is Bradford Gone? update: Bradford signs with Lions

cuppacoffee

cuppacoffee

Resident Grouch
New York Giants wish list:

• WR Corey Bradford. The Giants made a run at him last year, but didn't land him. With Tim Carter set to leave via free agency and Jamaar Taylor's health always in question, the Giants need a new burner for their third receiver. Bradford could be that guy.

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Would make a few posters around here happy...:)

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The Giants made a run at him last year, but didn't land him.
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Yeah, the Giants must have really 'made a run at him' last year since the Texans signed him to a deal barely over the minimum (800k) a few days after Bradford visited NY.
 
I would not be against having bradford on the roster next season. not in the least.

There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with Bradford.. seriously..think back on all the games we have played with Bradford.. is there really any reason to hate him?

The problem isnt Bradford..its the way our old coaches used him.. he shouldnt be the #2 receiver. He is a #3 or #4.. someone you bring out to throw a hail mary to.

Hes "fairly" cheap.. and I think our new staff would use him correctly.
 
aj. said:
Yeah, the Giants must have really 'made a run at him' last year since the Texans signed him to a deal barely over the minimum (800k) a few days after Bradford visited NY.
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You hit that right on the spot.
 
I'd be ELATED to see this guy sign ..... SOMEWHERE ELSE !



At one time I was a Bradford backer .... back when this board was at the old site ..... Since that time Ive come to my senses and realized Bradford is a track guy trying to make it as a football player ..... and doing a very poor impersonation at that.

As for the Giants making a run at him last year .... Why didnt they offer him a contract ??!!?? .....
 
Grid said:
I would not be against having bradford on the roster next season. not in the least.

There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with Bradford.. seriously..think back on all the games we have played with Bradford.. is there really any reason to hate him?

The problem isnt Bradford..its the way our old coaches used him.. he shouldnt be the #2 receiver. He is a #3 or #4.. someone you bring out to throw a hail mary to.

Hes "fairly" cheap.. and I think our new staff would use him correctly.
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I like Bradford ...He has made some great memorable clutch catches in the Texans uniform ...I think he's been our best receiver since the inaugural season. I have no idea of what the WR stats are ...but I'd like to see how he ranks in All-Time Texans History. Pretty darn good I suppose (Yeah I know he's been here tha whole time but u get my point)
 
Bradford last season.

16 games, 34 receptions, 436 yards, 12.8 average, 5 TDs


Brandon Stokely last season

15 games, 41 receptions, 543 yards, 13.2 average, 1 TD


How about Matt Jones, the rookie WR in Jacksonville.

16 games, 36 receptions, 432 yards, 12 average, 5 TDs


Nate Burleson

12 games, 30 receptions, 328 yards, 10.9 average, 1 TD


Mark Clayton

14 games, 44 receptions, 471 yards, 10.7 average, 2 TDs

Antwan Randel El

16 games, 35 receptions, 558 yards, 15.9 average, 1 TD




This is the class that Bradford is in. He is a good backup WR.. he shouldnt be key to the offense..he should just be there for when we CAN use his speed and experience.
 
lol dude are you seriously saying bradford should see playing time?

all of those guys were either A)rookies or B) had the worst season of their career.
 
man bradford is one of the most uncoordinated recievers i have ever seen(usually because they dont get PT) nice guy, but we need a upgrade
 
corrosion said:
I'd be ELATED to see this guy sign ..... SOMEWHERE ELSE !



At one time I was a Bradford backer .... back when this board was at the old site ..... Since that time Ive come to my senses and realized Bradford is a track guy trying to make it as a football player ..... and doing a very poor impersonation at that.

As for the Giants making a run at him last year .... Why didnt they offer him a contract ??!!?? .....
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Hopefully for a division rival im sure he can help them alot.:sarcasm:
 
Malloy said:
Am I the only one that did not miss the REALLY interesting stuff in this thread ?:)

Oh well, Bradford gone is nice too!
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He's not old enough to get in the bar ..... he's buying soda's :stirpot:
 
Bradford caught 52% of his passes last season.

that puts his catch percentage close to players like Ashlie Lelie, Jerry Porter, Justin McCareins, Plaxico Burress, Drew Bennett, Isaac Bruce, Antwan Randel El, Andre Johnson, and Roy Williams.


so.. again.. he doesnt have the hands of a superstar.. but he does have the hands of an average player. His infamous "hands of stone" was the reputation he came to us with from Green Bay... for the most part, with us, he has been AVERAGE when it comes to hauling in passes.. not BELOW average.

But whatever.. some fans just have to have someone that they can dog on. Ignorance is bliss and whatnot.
 
I do not see the value in keeping the guy. He has averaged over his 8 year career less than 2 catches and 30 yards per game. He does have a nice yards per catch percentage at 15.8.

I think we pretty know what we are going to get and in my opinion it is not worth what we should be paying for him at league minimum.
 
Grid said:
Bradford last season.

16 games, 34 receptions, 436 yards, 12.8 average, 5 TDs


Brandon Stokely last season

15 games, 41 receptions, 543 yards, 13.2 average, 1 TD


How about Matt Jones, the rookie WR in Jacksonville.

16 games, 36 receptions, 432 yards, 12 average, 5 TDs


Nate Burleson

12 games, 30 receptions, 328 yards, 10.9 average, 1 TD


Mark Clayton

14 games, 44 receptions, 471 yards, 10.7 average, 2 TDs

Antwan Randel El

16 games, 35 receptions, 558 yards, 15.9 average, 1 TD




This is the class that Bradford is in. He is a good backup WR.. he shouldnt be key to the offense..he should just be there for when we CAN use his speed and experience.
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Out of all the guys you mentioned, how many of those would hit the FA market, get basically no offers, and have to come crawling back to their original team for a near min contract?
 
I think that Bradford is an okay 3rd reciever and if we can sign him to a reasonable deal then keep him. Then again we have a lot of talented young recievers that I want to see get some playing time.
 
Bradford is out of here, the combine showed that the draft has some speed at the WR position and that they will be going later in the draft. We can get a fast guys with better hands on the second day that would be better than bradford.
 
I think Bradford is probably gone due to increased competition at the WR spot but I also think that Grid is dead on in his assessment of him. The majority of you guys just have to have someone to rag on and since Matt Stevens hit the road Bradford has been the guy.

He's not a #1 or a #2. He's not really even a #3 if you start three wide a lot. He's a weapon when he's coming off the bench and trying to prove that he can be a starter in this league. He can't and everyone knows it except for Bradford himself but that's beside the point. You throw a couple of long passes to him per game and some days he gets hot and kills the defense. Other days he doesn't do much of anything. Mostly in this role he's a luxury type of player who you keep if you have the roster spot to give.

If he got on the field as often as Armstrong did last year everyone would be talking about how we don't use his speed and how the coaches were fools. I don't think we'll keep Bradford another year but he'll catch on with someone. The biggest problem with Bradford here was that the coaches had nobody else so he became our #1 right off the bat. Then he drifted down to the #2 spot and our old coaching staff would always start a lousy veteran over any kind of rookie if they got the chance.
 
He is 31 years old which means his speed is mostly on the decline while he is not a candidate to be of help on Special Teams. A roster position is just a valuable as the cap implications. Moreover, due to the CBA uncertainty there may be more WR FA's available that are more talented or can offer more than just 2 receptions and 30 yards per game.
 
i figure if we lose bradford i have a big mossy stone in my back yard that will play for less cash and will deliver the same results
 
Spoda said:
i figure if we lose bradford i have a big mossy stone in my back yard that will play for less cash and will deliver the same results
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Don't know if I would put it at WR but we could maybe replace a lineman with it. Might be better to have something that might stub a d-lineman's toe as he steps over rather than just a fleshy stomach.
 
Coach C. said:
Bradford is out of here, the combine showed that the draft has some speed at the WR position and that they will be going later in the draft. We can get a fast guys with better hands on the second day that would be better than bradford.
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The "house cleaning" (Hollings, Coleman) missed Bradford so far somehow. I sure hope you are correct. I would rather see Mathis in the #3 spot than Bradford.

Speaking of "house cleaning", does anyone know if we are talking to McKinney and/or Wiegert about significant contract restructures?
 
humbleone said:
The "house cleaning" (Hollings, Coleman) missed Bradford so far somehow. I sure hope you are correct. I would rather see Mathis in the #3 spot than Bradford.

Speaking of "house cleaning", does anyone know if we are talking to McKinney and/or Wiegert about significant contract restructures?
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The FO doesnt have to cut him since he is UFA. Just dont resign him.
 
humbleone said:
The "house cleaning" (Hollings, Coleman) missed Bradford so far somehow. I sure hope you are correct. I would rather see Mathis in the #3 spot than Bradford.

Speaking of "house cleaning", does anyone know if we are talking to McKinney and/or Wiegert about significant contract restructures?
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The guys you mentioned were cut. The Texans simply do not have to resign Bradford.
 
Tha_Tinman said:
I like Bradford ...He has made some great memorable clutch catches in the Texans uniform ...I think he's been our best receiver since the inaugural season. I have no idea of what the WR stats are ...but I'd like to see how he ranks in All-Time Texans History. Pretty darn good I suppose (Yeah I know he's been here tha whole time but u get my point)
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Have you ever accually watched a Texans game? Your kidding,right?

*walks away shaking head and laughing hysterically
 
jmerog said:
Have you ever accually watched a Texans game? Your kidding,right?

*walks away shaking head and laughing hysterically
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Have you?

I'd stop laughing and look at the stats* for a second. He's scored more career points for the Texans than anyone other than Domanick Davis and Kris Brown (and it's not like kickers really count IMO). He's second in career touchdowns as well. Despite being 5th on the Most Receptions list with 86 he's 2nd in Career Receiving Yards.

In Yards per game he's second (127) and third (126) behind Andre Johnson's 170. He's first in receiving touchdowns with 13.

Despite the fact that Andre Johnson is "the beast" here Corey Bradford has 5 of the 7 longest pass completions in team history and he's caught the four longest touchdown passes in team history.

Why is it always feast or famine with so many of you guys. Players are either going to be the answer to everything or they're worthless and the fact that they earned a roster spot on an NFL team is a travesty.

You can "not" want a guy on your team without hating him. Better all around receivers than Corey Bradford will probably displace him this year but you don't have to denigrate what he's done for us. Everyone but the hopelessly optimistic knew what we were getting when we went out and signed Corey Bradford.

*All of the stats in here come from the Texans team history/records page which I do not believe has been updated to include the 2005 season. Just FYI.
 
Battle Red Flash said:
I hope he's gone.
Armstrong has been held back long enough.
.....and TEXANS! Sign David Givens!
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Amen I say to Armstrong! If given playing time he will be a star IMHO.
Besides, I must admit I had to nickname Bradford last year, " Butterfingers" he dropped way too many passes.
 
Hervoyel said:
Have you?

I'd stop laughing and look at the stats* for a second. He's scored more career points for the Texans than anyone other than Domanick Davis and Kris Brown. He's second in career touchdowns as well. Despite being 5th on the Most Receptions list with 86 he's 2nd in Career Receiving Yards.

In Yards per game he's second (127) and third (126) behind Andre Johnson's 170. He's first in receiving touchdowns with 13.

Despite the fact that Andre Johnson is "the beast" here Corey Bradford has 5 of the 7 longest pass completions in team history and he's caught the four longest touchdown passes in team history.

Why is always feast or famine with so many of you guys. Players are either going to be the answer to everything or they're worthless and the fact that they earned a roster spot on an NFL team is a travesty.

You can not want a guy on your team without hating him. Better all around receivers than Corey Bradford will probably displace him this year but you don't have to denigrate what he's done for us. Everyone but the hopelessly optimistic knew what we were getting when we went out and signed Corey Bradford.
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I think it is resepctful with the way you are framing what Bradford has meant to franchise in a historical view. But the question is whether or not he deserves a position on the team moving forward. I don't see him worthy of a position or better yet how does he make us better moving forward as his greatest asset, speed, declines with age.
 
Stats dont tell the whole story on Bradford.

The biggest problems with Bradford are effort and consistancy.
he gives up un plays too often and just doesn't show up half the time. every now and then,He has a great game but it is ussually after several stinkers and he is in fear for his job or rep or whatever.
Yes,He is fast and stretches defenses but that is his only quality. As such, when he does burn a defense and accually manages to catch a ball,(53% of the time?) its for long yardage. That 53% of the time isn't as (good) as it sounds when you consider that he is supposed to be the fast one who stretches the defense and catches the ball out in front of the defense.That is what the fast burners are for. He doesn't even fill this one dementional role well.

As far as his touchdown numbers, that has more to do how he was used on that play and doesn't reflect what happened up to that point.In many instances, it was dd's rushing or Aj's passes that got them into that position and Bradford was the unlikely recipient of the scoring pass.
 
As far as total yards, he has been with the team longer and was the # 1 reciever the first year and was the #2c at all other times. He aught to be first by far. That DD is ahead of him says alot. Also AJ has been double teamed since he showed up halfway through his rookie year opening up even more opportunities for bradford.

Please be honest when using stats. Numbers can be used in deceptive ways.

besides, its his undefended drops and lack of effort that are my main issues with him.

Did you notice that when we got rid of him last year, noone wanted him?....except good ol' capers

BTW- you have me all wrong. In general,i'm not a hater. I am, for the texans and look for the good but i dont cut slack for those who dont put out thier full effort for the team. Our team can be really good and i want to see them succeed and an attitude that lacks effort is contageous and we dont need a desease like that spreading.

I want to cut bad players but dont hate them just because they suck. I dont hate anyone but i do have a bad taste for any player (even good ones) that dont give the team thier all on the field.
 
That brings me to armstrong. I've heard it said that the reason he isn't used is because he doesn't have the footwork/speed to make seperation. Well, i wish i knew enough to evaluate if that is true of not because that guy gives effort. Effort isn't the only thing that matters but it is very important.In addition to effort,his hands are amazing.when he is thrown the ball, his moniker,"mr. automatic" truely fits. I'm not saying he is the answer to all our prayers or that he is even necessarily our #2 reciver even but i would definatly like to see his attitude and hands on the field more. Slot maybe, #3/#4?
what do yall think?

Question, Kaiser-or anyone else,do you think MATHIS is likely to become a good reciever? a #2? A bradford replacement?
 
jmerog said:
That brings me to armstrong. I've heard it said that the reason he isn't used is because he doesn't have the footwork/speed to make seperation. Well, i wish i knew enough to evaluate if that is true of not because that guy gives effort. Effort isn't the only thing that matters but it is very important.In addition to effort,his hands are amazing.when he is thrown the ball, his moniker,"mr. automatic" truely fits. I'm not saying he is the answer to all our prayers or that he is even necessarily our #2 reciver even but i would definatly like to see his attitude and hands on the field more. Slot maybe, #3/#4?
what do yall think?

Question, Kaiser-or anyone else,do you think MATHIS is likely to become a good reciever? a #2? A bradford replacement?
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I do not see Mathis as the #2 in the short term. I do not think we will see him often until we get our core down - zone blocking scheme, reading defenses, calling audibles and executing (not paying homage to Capers, but very accurate). Once we can get these down as a unit then I could see Kubiak mixing in the special sauce that is Mathis.
 
Hey jmerog I want to tell you right up front that I responded to your post in particular but most of my comments were directed at the majority of posters before you. That was somewhat misleading on my part.

Some points I'd like to make.

1. Bradford does drop some passes. I'm not arguing that he doesn't drop some passes. It's been shown clearly in a number of threads before this though that Bradford is not the "Drop Machine" that a lot of posters like to make him out to be. The biggest problem with Corey dropping the ball has been his timing. He doesn't drop as many as most of you think but you can be forgiven for feeling like it because he drops the ones that just break your heart. He's got a sense of timing when it comes to that I admit. Those hurt but when we brought Bradford in he was what we had and he did his best for us. I'm satisfied with that and unlike a lot of the people who seem to relish getting to kick the man on his way out the door I appreciate the job he did while he was here.

2. If "dd's rushing or Aj's passes" get them down the field when Bradford is the lucky recipient of the TD then how does that work with him being the deep threat and having all of the longest TD's in Texans history? It's one way or the other for the most part, it can't be both all the time. In 2002 when this team couldn't keep a drive alive for the length of the field to save their lives Bradford and his 50+ yard TD's sometimes made the difference between a beat down and a respectable showing or (on that rare day) a win.

I just think we should be good enough fans to be able to send a player on his way without being insulting. Sure we've got better receivers now and I'm glad we do but I'd like to see us send the original Texans on their way with a pat on the back and not a kick in the ***.
 
HERVOYEL-

well, i dont completely agree with you but i can respect an honest diference of opinion. Its clear from your post that your intentions are good and that your opinions are not the frivolous rantings of a madman as i had first supposed.
As i said in my earlier post, its about effort for me with him.

Clarification. I was addressing two different things with him getting the long yards and with him getting Td's as a result of other's efforts. as for the latter,that is common and to be expected and that is where the majority came from these last couple of years. as to the former-I would expect to have our burner and longest time starting veteran to have the longest td catches.

we simply disagree on the interpretation of it all...and we both apparantly flet strongly enough about our positions to defend then strongly.

I do now respect that you have thought out your opinions rather than spout off regurgitated nonsense as some do, even if i dont agree with your conclusions.

I'm glad you are a fan and wish the best for the team. I do too.
 
I just think we should be good enough fans to be able to send a player on his way without being insulting. Sure we've got better receivers now and I'm glad we do but I'd like to see us send the original Texans on their way with a pat on the back and not a kick in the ***.[/QUOTE said:
Also- As i said, I am not knocking a guy for being less than the best(although i do want better)
I view Bradford in terms of my perception of his attitude above all. If i felt he had given his best then i would undoubtedly feel as you do and be making similer statements. I have defended others(not sure on this board) in similer fashion. But i see bradford as a 'do only what i have to do in oder to get by' kind of guy and i'll kick that kind of player in the butt every time no matter what. If i am wrong (and neither of us will ever know) and bradford really gave us his best them my apologies to him for the railing and thanks for playing (although he would still need replacing because of ....) but i dont think so.
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lilwills30 said:
corey bradford is the **** and he was the best wr we had last year and he caught more tds than our number 1,2,3 wr
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hmmm ok, i dont know if i agree with that, i mean sometimes we see heart out of bradford, like last season when he juked 2 defenders on his way to the end zone. i mean a good NON-typical bradford play. BUT yes he did help us stomp the cowboys in our first ever game, so i'll always love him for that, but that was 4 years ago, and his speed has declined, he doesnt have very good hands IMO. i think mathis could be our #2 reciever, only because of his speed though, but he does need a little work.
 
Tough to believe that this topic warranted 50 posts... Corey is this year's Aaron Glenn... best of luck, nothing personal, time for us to go another way.

If he is back, what a great #4 receiver.
 
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