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otisbean

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I’d love to see a base defense with Watt, Reader and Clowney on DL with Whitney, Cole, Cunningham and McKinney at SOLB. This gets our best front seven on the field imho.

During nickel I’d replace Reader with Covington.

Against run heavy teams like Jax I’d like to see a 4-3 front of Watt and Clowney at end with Covington and Reader inside with Whitney, McKinney and either Cunningham or Cole at wlb

I’d like to see any other CB then KJo.

I’d like to see more 2 TE sets. I want to see what the 2 Jordans can do. Plus I’d like to see the TEs chip on edge rushers to help our young OTs

In 3 WR sets I’d like to see the backs and TEs chipping on the edge rushers as well

Also props to Miller, Blue and Ervin for their performances at NE. Hopefully it’s a sign of things to come

Go Texans!
 
Commitment to running the ball. Much quicker routes, ball has to come out quick with this line. A new head coach that understands clock management.
 
I'd really like to start a thread called 'Why didn't any of us think of that - BoB's a genius'. But here we are again trying to come up with ideas for how BoB should 'do his job'. It's getting tiresome -- not directed at you otisbean, just reflecting on where we're at w/ BoB.
 
PapaL said:
Did we watch different games? Run game was the only thing we had success with. 34 carries 167 yards 4.9 ypc. Miller was hair under 5.0 ypc and Blue was well over.
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I agree with you, I don't have a clue what he was talking about. Not only more play action but roll outs off of it too would help IMO. I don't think Watson's strength is in the pocket and I understand you don't want him running the ball often but roll him out to buy him some time couldn't have hurt.
 
Id like to see more McKinney blowing up the middle runs. I'd like to see more Colvin and Reid on defense. I'd like to see less RPO bullshit. More designed runs for Deshaun (GAAAAASP!!) in order to free up the defense. If you dont have to fear Watson running, then all they need to do is clog the box. Without field stretchers in Fuller or Coutee then its easy to stop the Texans. Wait for the dive play on the first 2 downs and then the 8 yard curl. PUNT.

Its only week 2 though so still in my Zen mode.
 
PapaL said:
Did we watch different games? Run game was the only thing we had success with. 34 carries 167 yards 4.9 ypc. Miller was hair under 5.0 ypc and Blue was well over.
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Yeah on that 1 drive in the 3rd........when we committed to it for that drive. We didn't commit to it the entire game is what i think he means.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Id like to see more McKinney blowing up the middle runs. I'd like to see more Colvin and Reid on defense. I'd like to see less RPO bullshit. More designed runs for Deshaun (GAAAAASP!!) in order to free up the defense. If you dont have to fear Watson running, then all they need to do is clog the box. Without field stretchers in Fuller or Coutee then its easy to stop the Texans. Wait for the dive play on the first 2 downs and then the 8 yard curl. PUNT.

Its only week 2 though so still in my Zen mode.
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That RPO bullshit is what Watson lit Seattle up with last year so i don't have a problem with that...I just think Watson has to take what's in front of him & stop looking for the homerun ball like he was in this past game.
 
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Mr teX said:
That RPO bullshit is what Watson lit Seattle up with last year so i don't have a problem with that...I just think Watson has to take what's in front of him & stop looking for the homerun ball like he was in this past game.
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And it also caused the opening fumble THIS WEEK. Either pass it or throw it, no need for all the smoke and mirrors, the NFL has caught up to the RPO and wildcat .. JET formations are only still in use because of the ridiculously fast and gifted skill players, but a decent DC will scheme to minimize the damage from those gimmick offenses.
 
If I’m not mistaken, the Eagles killed the Patriots with tons of RPO in the SB. I felt like we were watching the Clemson offense in the first have and it seemed like everything took too long to develop. In the SB the RPOs seemed to happen quicker then what we were trying to do. I liked what I saw in the second half offensively much better. We definitely had guys open that unfortunately DW missed. I’ll give BOB credit for that, but as others have mentioned repeatedly, I’d also like to see competent clock management
 
Bulls on Parade said:
I'd like to see Will Fuller stay healthy and catch the ball. My friend already calls him a bust. I always defend Fuller and point to his potential when he's healthy. But at some point even I'm going to lose patience with him if he can't stay on the field and help the team win games.
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I think Fuller will be really good. Hopefully the medical staff can get him on the field.
 
Uncle Rico said:
And it also caused the opening fumble THIS WEEK. Either pass it or throw it, no need for all the smoke and mirrors, the NFL has caught up to the RPO and wildcat .. JET formations are only still in use because of the ridiculously fast and gifted skill players, but a decent DC will scheme to minimize the damage from those gimmick offenses.
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When used correctly, RPO's are just fine. Cam & the Panthers have been running it for years now....SB run. And as Otisbean pointed, Philly used tons of it in their run to the SB. The RPO play itself didn't cause the fumble, WATSON DID....... b/c he was indecisive with what he wanted to do. Something that seemed to be the theme of the day for him.
 
We removed the backfield motion and rollouts that worked great last year and a lot of the rpo was under center in the NE game and worked to get the ball to DHop in the seam. The only time I saw us with the backfield motion was the time that Romo pointed it out. The problem I have with removing the backfield motion and rollouts is that it's hampering Watson's ability to escape bad blocking by asking him to stay in a traditional pocket and you also can't pull one of those motion plays randomly and if it doesn't work give up on it. They're designed to be built on each other (last time we did this with this look, but this time we're doing something different). So yes, I'd like to go back to the same offense we were running last year. Teams have film now, but make them prove that they can stop it instead of overthinking things and giving up on it because you're guessing that they'll stop it.
 
Max said:
We removed the backfield motion and rollouts that worked great last year and a lot of the rpo was under center in the NE game and worked to get the ball to DHop in the seam. The only time I saw us with the backfield motion was the time that Romo pointed it out. The problem I have with removing the backfield motion and rollouts is that it's hampering Watson's ability to escape bad blocking by asking him to stay in a traditional pocket and you also can't pull one of those motion plays randomly and if it doesn't work give up on it. They're designed to be built on each other (last time we did this with this look, but this time we're doing something different). So yes, I'd like to go back to the same offense we were running last year. Teams have film now, but make them prove that they can stop it instead of overthinking things and giving up on it because you're guessing that they'll stop it.
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The RPO's were fine imo. The only thing that messed them up was Watson not taking what was being given/misreading/trying to do too much. I'm not even going to say the o-line was a problem b/c he had plenty of time to get rid of the ball most times off the RPO's and he was only sacked twice i believe. On the mess point fumble, he just flat out read it wrong; Van Noy came down pretty damn hard. You also see Griffin come across the formation fake block & then go out in a shallow route to the flats, Hopkins standing out wide on a hitch; If he pulls it like he was supposed to, it's an easy 3+ yd rip for him or Griffin b/c the db out there has to pick between the 2 . Now, Just based off of that play alone, which was designed at min to open Watson's right side up where he could roam if need be.... I don't think BoB was/is asking Watson to stay in the pocket.

Apart from that, Watson MANY times tried to escape & he couldn't b/c the Pats mixed up what they were doing but were extremely disciplined in their rush lanes; that's what you do with qb's that like to escape & create those "houdini" plays like Watson killed them with last year.
 
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Speedy said:
Small sample sizes, but Watson and Fuller on the field together, 40.5 points per game. Watson with no Fuller, 22 points per game.
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He hung 33 on NE without Fuller. The glaring outlier that brings the average down is the only other game without Fuller against Cinci. We didn't have a healthy TE in that game, and the only healthy receivers we had were Hopkins and Braxton Miller.
 
Shishkabob said:
He hung 33 on NE without Fuller. The glaring outlier that brings the average down is the only other game without Fuller against Cinci. We didn't have a healthy TE in that game, and the only healthy receivers we had were Hopkins and Braxton Miller.
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It also includes yesterday.
 
Mr teX said:
The RPO's were fine imo. The only thing that messed them up was Watson not taking what was being given/misreading/trying to do too much. I'm not even going to say the o-line was a problem b/c he had plenty of time to get rid of the ball most times off the RPO's and he was only sacked twice i believe. On the mess point fumble, he just flat out read it wrong; Van Noy came down pretty damn hard. You also see Griffin come across the formation fake block & then go out in a shallow route to the flats, Hopkins standing out wide on a hitch; If he pulls it like he was supposed to, it's an easy 3+ yd rip for him or Griffin b/c the db out there has to pick between the 2 . Now, Just based off of that play alone, which was designed at min to open Watson's right side up where he could roam if need be.... I don't think BoB was/is asking Watson to stay in the pocket.

Apart from that, Watson MANY times tried to escape & he couldn't b/c the Pats mixed up what they were doing but were extremely disciplined in their rush lanes; that's what you do with qb's that like to escape & create those "houdini" plays like Watson killed them with last year.
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I re-watched the first half w/ the coaches view and I agree with the bolded. It doesn't look like it was the offense as much as Watson just didn't look good -- forced the ball too many times, made the wrong read and missed wide open receivers, threw late and several inaccurate throws. But I disagree on the Oline statement -- felt like there were also several plays where there was no way to even make the right read because of pressure. Rankin struggled as well as Davenport (not nearly as much, but too much). I'm feeling a lot better about our offense knowing that Watson's going to play better, but we have to get better play from our OT's. If they play better, shuffle the deck and find a lineup that works, or make a trade for a good tackle, I think we can be a good team this year.
 
Less indecision. On that senseless fumble that cost us not only the game but maybe the season, it looked like Watson couldn't decide whether to hand the ball off or change his mind and pull it out. He got caught compromising between the two.
 
nytexan said:
I agree with you, I don't have a clue what he was talking about. Not only more play action but roll outs off of it too would help IMO. I don't think Watson's strength is in the pocket and I understand you don't want him running the ball often but roll him out to buy him some time couldn't have hurt.
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Go back and watch the first half, the run play distribution. We ran the ball in the second half when new England was up two scores and playing soft six man box to give us underneath time killing drives. We were calling mostly pass plays first half until Obrien settled down. Just dumb given the circumstances. Jr qb and inexperienced line, you gotta run to open up play action later. Not the other way around.
 
But that is OB's plan... "run to open up the passing game, that's what everyone is expecting!" goes right along with "they will never expect Miller up the middle on the first play of the game for the 26th game in a row! It's gonna be a TD for sure"
 
If Fuller was healthy and starting last Sunday that would affected play calling dramatically. First play, quick drop and throw over the top to Fuller, opening up the box.
 
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