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So the FA date is Mar. 3rd if i'm not mistaken, what rumors are floating around as to who they are talking to?
Personally i'm hoping they can add someone w/some strong leadership on D, preferibly a LB. Another solid d-back would be nice too, maybe an aggresive DE if available at the right price. On offense maybe a solid #2 or #3 WR and an O lineman or 2.
 
A FA QB would be interesting too, that would somewhat put a big hole through the VY theory. Who knows, we'll see in a couple of days :)
 
Texas said:
I think the Carr extension already put a big hole through the VY theory.
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You would have thought, but the Vince Young fans are pretty committed to their delusions.
 
Tony Banks getting sent to the chopping block at least gives the impression that they could take a QB 1st overall .

As for trades , I think the most desirable trade involving the #1 pick would be a package which would include the Jets 4th overall and next years #1 .
The most probable trade partner I think would be the Raiders who own the 7th pick.
 
To go from first to seventh, I would expect a boatload of compensation, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't do it.
 
I don't know if anybody else heard it on 610, but they said the Texans told Walker he might not be back next yr. I think this means he might be put on the trade block otherwise they would have cut him along with everybody else yesterday.
 
dat_boy_yec said:
I don't know if anybody else heard it on 610, but they said the Texans told Walker he might not be back next yr. I think this means he might be put on the trade block otherwise they would have cut him along with everybody else yesterday.
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Walker has been cut.

Edit: Nevermind, I may have spoke too soon. Sorry.
 
corrosion said:
Tony Banks getting sent to the chopping block at least gives the impression that they could take a QB 1st overall .

As for trades , I think the most desirable trade involving the #1 pick would be a package which would include the Jets 4th overall and next years #1 .
The most probable trade partner I think would be the Raiders who own the 7th pick.
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Actually I think it would be SF at #6 this way we still have a shot at any of the big five that might fall and if not we can take Vernon Davis as a consolation prize. I think the 49ers might do it if the asking price isn't to high, but this yr and next yrs first as well as maybe a third this yr. and a second next yr. outside of that I don't really have any Ideas what might happen.
 
dat_boy_yec said:
I don't know if anybody else heard it on 610, but they said the Texans told Walker he might not be back next yr. I think this means he might be put on the trade block otherwise they would have cut him along with everybody else yesterday.
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Not that they wouldnt entertain offers for him on a trade, but the reason that he was not cut yesterday, wasnt trade related IMO. If the CBA was done the cap for 06 would be almost $10 MM higher than without. So if the CBA gets done they will let him go immediately. If not, they will wait until after june 1 so that only 1/2 of the cap hit rolls into the 06 cap figure. At least that is the way I understand what they are doing.
 
corrosion said:
Tony Banks getting sent to the chopping block at least gives the impression that they could take a QB 1st overall .
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Could be that the Texans don't think Ragone is anywhere near being a rookie anymore. Why have two "journeyman" back-ups?
 
there is going to be a lot of trade rumors flying around but i wouldn't pay that much attention to them...remember without a CBA in place trades are harder to come by without any certainty about the cap
 
dat_boy_yec said:
Actually I think it would be SF at #6 this way we still have a shot at any of the big five that might fall and if not we can take Vernon Davis as a consolation prize. I think the 49ers might do it if the asking price isn't to high, but this yr and next yrs first as well as maybe a third this yr. and a second next yr. outside of that I don't really have any Ideas what might happen.
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Vernon Davis would be my target at the 7 spot or anywhere below the 4th pick for that matter ..... I Highly doubt that the 49er's would be a viable trade partner . They are in the same boat as the Jets as far as talent goes . Both teams need more picks not less.... which is why i say the most desirable trade is with the Jets but it is also the least likely to happen.

feebleminded said:
Not that they wouldnt entertain offers for him on a trade, but the reason that he was not cut yesterday, wasnt trade related IMO. If the CBA was done the cap for 06 would be almost $10 MM higher than without. So if the CBA gets done they will let him go immediately. If not, they will wait until after june 1 so that only 1/2 of the cap hit rolls into the 06 cap figure. At least that is the way I understand what they are doing.
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an explination of the reason for waiting until after June 1 from todays Chronicle
Link: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/3692603.html
Waiving Walker before June 1 will cost them $1.5 million against the cap. If they wait until after June 1, the remainder of his prorated signing bonus would come out of the 2007 cap with a new collective bargaining agreement. Without an extension of the collective bargaining agreement, 2007 will be an uncapped year, and teams can spend whatever they want on players.
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Keldar said:
Could be that the Texans don't think Ragone is anywhere near being a rookie anymore. Why have two "journeyman" back-ups?
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I think Kubiak has some faith in Ragone being a capable back-up .... But in general most teams carry at least 3 QB's with their top back-up having more game experience than Ragone . With so many QB's on the FA market this offseason Banks is easily replaced . So there is little risk in cutting him.
Banks would have cost just over $1Mill against the cap for the coming season , Im not sure they can find a game tested QB for that cost . This probably does move Ragone up in the pecking order .... Pending they dont take a QB in the first round. ( I dont really think they will .... But they gave themselves the option by cutting Banks)
 
Cutting Carr would have given them an option to draft a QB in the first. Cutting Banks gives them the option to pick up a cheap FA or draft a QB in the second day.
 
corrosion said:
I think Kubiak has some faith in Ragone being a capable back-up ....
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I wouldn't be surprised if Ragone was the backup .... assuming Young isn't drafted of course .... we're assuming Kubiak can "coach up" Carr in additon to protecting him, so why can't he do that for Ragone?
 
Hulk75 said:
And also on ESPN insider they say that LeCharles Bentley really likes the Vikings and they go on and on about how much he would like to go there.

Please Mr.McNair give him more money then they do.
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Vikings are one if, if not the most under the cap in spending money.
 
tulexan said:
Cutting Carr would have given them an option to draft a QB in the first. Cutting Banks gives them the option to pick up a cheap FA or draft a QB in the second day.
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Why would you cut a veteran back-up QB who's cap hit was $1,053,000 when its likely going to cost more than that to replace him via FA.

Its simply a smoke screen to increase the value of the #1.

To replace Banks Via FA would likely cost more than that $1,053,000 .... Drafting a second day QB either moves Ragone up the depth chart or you sign another veteran.

What veteran QB on the FA market would you sugguest the Texans bring in that would cost less ?
 
I think Ragone is moving up in the depth chart. He played great in NFLE last year. He's still not starter material, but he is a good back up. They will replace Ragone's former spot with a cheap FA or a project QB who is drafted in the late rounds.

The Texans don't need teams to think that they are drafting a QB to drive up the value. This pick already has tons of value and the the threat of the Saints picking Leinart or another team trading up to get Leinart is big enough.

No team is going to look at the Texans cutting Banks as a signal that they are now going to draft one of the big 3 QB's. If they cut Carr or didn't extend him to a 3 year contract that would be a different story, but they didn't.

Carr is staying, Bush is coming, the Texans aren't trading.
 
something kind of new from sportsline.com

Since the Texans have quarterback David Carr and Domanick Davis and Vernand Morency at running back, they are unlikely to draft quarterback Vince Young or running back Reggie Bush. The Houston Chronicle reports that the Texans could be looking at defensive end Mario Williams, who ran the 40-yard dash in 4.66 at the combine.

link: http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/NFL_SC-RUMOR

also on the same link, see:

According to Bergen Record, the N.Y. Jets could seek a trade with the Houston Texans for the first overall pick in the April draft. It is believed that the Jets would select quarterback Matt Leinart with that pick. However, the Jets might have to trade another high pick, or even include defensive end John Abraham in the trade.
 
tulexan said:
I think Ragone is moving up in the depth chart. He played great in NFLE last year. He's still not starter material, but he is a good back up. They will replace Ragone's former spot with a cheap FA or a project QB who is drafted in the late rounds.

The Texans don't need teams to think that they are drafting a QB to drive up the value. This pick already has tons of value and the the threat of the Saints picking Leinart or another team trading up to get Leinart is big enough.

No team is going to look at the Texans cutting Banks as a signal that they are now going to draft one of the big 3 QB's. If they cut Carr or didn't extend him to a 3 year contract that would be a different story, but they didn't.

Carr is staying, Bush is coming, the Texans aren't trading.
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You may be right, but a Carr 2 or 3 year extension doesn't mean they aren't going to trade him. I believe they really haven't decided anything yet. I think they are leaning towards a trade down, but have not closed the book on Young/Bush. If you were planning to draft Young you wouldn't let Carr walk, as he would likely be the most highly regarded QB available. Culpepper wants more money and is badly hurt. Brees has been better, but has a minor shoulder issue. If Pennington takes a paycut, our trade down options get dimmer, and we can only hope Tennessee/NO get into a bidding war for Leinart.

I'm not saying the Texans actually want Young, but the Carr option doesn't mean a thing other than smart business. You have leverage if you want to deal him, as you take that cap hit, and he becomes affordable for a suitor at 3 years, $16 million.

We've been said to want a Godfather deal for the #1, and I think that extends to Carr too. If Kubiak gets smitten with Young, I think the Texans would deal Carr to Miami (with maybe the later 3rd rounder) if they could get Miami's #1 in return. Cutler's recent move up the boards has facilitated that option. Obviously, this possibility also requires the ability to get all that under the cap.

The first three picks could look like Young, Justice, #33 (Pope? TE? DE?). That package with DD looks decent compared to the Carr, Bush, #33 lineman. Although, it might not be as stout as the potential Abraham, Ferguson, #33, Carr, DD package.
 
we might as well forget about bentley...every quote from him i've seen has him either wanting to go to the vikes or the browns...both teams are way under the cap and with hodgdon still on the roster with some potential and centers in the draft like eslinger and mangold who would cost a lot less than bentley why would you over pay for a guy like that
 
keyfro said:
we might as well forget about bentley...every quote from him i've seen has him either wanting to go to the vikes or the browns...both teams are way under the cap and with hodgdon still on the roster with some potential and centers in the draft like eslinger and mangold who would cost a lot less than bentley why would you over pay for a guy like that
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Mawae may get cut too.
 
66cobra said:
something kind of new from sportsline.com

Since the Texans have quarterback David Carr and Domanick Davis and Vernand Morency at running back, they are unlikely to draft quarterback Vince Young or running back Reggie Bush. The Houston Chronicle reports that the Texans could be looking at defensive end Mario Williams, who ran the 40-yard dash in 4.66 at the combine.

link: http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/NFL_SC-RUMOR

also on the same link, see:

According to Bergen Record, the N.Y. Jets could seek a trade with the Houston Texans for the first overall pick in the April draft. It is believed that the Jets would select quarterback Matt Leinart with that pick. However, the Jets might have to trade another high pick, or even include defensive end John Abraham in the trade.
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I wonder who the Saints would take if NYJ traded with us and took Lienhart. If they took Young I would be happy with our move because it means Vince wont go to Tenn. However, they way this all sounds is that if we did trade for some dude named Mario Williams, we would end up doing the whole Sam Bowie/Michael Jordan thing.
 
tulexan said:
Carr is staying, Bush is coming, the Texans aren't trading.
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That's your merry-go-round and you're welcome to it. I wouldn't mind.

But instead, we drop to 4 with the Jets, get #4, Abraham and a third [?], and looy there, at #4 VY is still available, and the Raiders come calling. I think we make a trade there as well and go to 7 where we (finally) make our 1st pick. If we're lucky it's Davis.
 
I actually see it differently. I believe that the Texans want Reggie Bush. They wanted him before the Rose Bowl, they wanted him after the Rose Bowl, and they still want him now. Kubiak also wants him. There is that Peter King report of him telling Shanahan that he plans on taking Reggie Bush, there is that interview where he said that DD will be more effective if they add another quality back, I believe I heard Lance say that he has heard that the team has made up their mind and they want Bush. I heard Richard Justice on PTI saying that they are going to take Reggie and that they aren't going to trade. It goes on and on. Casserly has been talking recently about how they are shopping the pick around (why this is all of the sudden news I don't know). I believe that this is just GMspeak. Sure he is taking offers, but unless it is a Ricky Williams or Herschel Walker type deal he and the team isn't interested. And they aren't going to get a deal like that because the teams right below them have just as many holes as the Texans.

I don't think it will happen because Benson is cheap, but I could see the Saints swapping picks if they are truly in love with Leinart like some of the reports claim and fear that the Texans will trade with the Jets who will take Leinart right above them. I think in that case, the Texans would accept less because they are still guaranteed to get their guy. But I don't think the Saints have much to offer pick-wise because we already own their 3rd round pick. I can't see them giving up their 2nd round pick and having no more first day picks in a deep draft. But if they did offer that, I would take it.

If they wanted to trade Carr and draft Young they would have either franchised him or transition tagged him because then he would still have trade value and it wouldn't cost the Texans anything cap-hitwise. Signing him to a 3 year extension and then trading him months later makes no sense because then you incur an $8 million cap hit this season, which means that they would have close to no money to spend on free agents.

I would say that there is an 85% chance that they stay where they are and draft Reggie Bush, a 14.999% chance that they trade down, and a .001% chance that they draft Vince Young.
 
tulexan said:
I actually see it differently. I believe that the Texans want Reggie Bush. They wanted him before the Rose Bowl, they wanted him after the Rose Bowl, and they still want him now. Kubiak also wants him. There is that Peter King report of him telling Shanahan that he plans on taking Reggie Bush, there is that interview where he said that DD will be more effective if they add another quality back, I believe I heard Lance say that he has heard that the team has made up their mind and they want Bush. I heard Richard Justice on PTI saying that they are going to take Reggie and that they aren't going to trade. It goes on and on. Casserly has been talking recently about how they are shopping the pick around (why this is all of the sudden news I don't know). I believe that this is just GMspeak. Sure he is taking offers, but unless it is a Ricky Williams or Herschel Walker type deal he and the team isn't interested. And they aren't going to get a deal like that because the teams right below them have just as many holes as the Texans.

I don't think it will happen because Benson is cheap, but I could see the Saints swapping picks if they are truly in love with Leinart like some of the reports claim and fear that the Texans will trade with the Jets who will take Leinart right above them. I think in that case, the Texans would accept less because they are still guaranteed to get their guy. But I don't think the Saints have much to offer pick-wise because we already own their 3rd round pick. I can't see them giving up their 2nd round pick and having no more first day picks in a deep draft. But if they did offer that, I would take it.

If they wanted to trade Carr and draft Young they would have either franchised him or transition tagged him because then he would still have trade value and it wouldn't cost the Texans anything cap-hitwise. Signing him to a 3 year extension and then trading him months later makes no sense because then you incur an $8 million cap hit this season, which means that they would have close to no money to spend on free agents.

I would say that there is an 85% chance that they stay where they are and draft Reggie Bush, a 14.999% chance that they trade down, and a .001% chance that they draft Vince Young.
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Agreed. :headbang:
 
tulexan said:
I actually see it differently. I believe that the Texans want Reggie Bush. They wanted him before the Rose Bowl, they wanted him after the Rose Bowl, and they still want him now. Kubiak also wants him. There is that Peter King report of him telling Shanahan that he plans on taking Reggie Bush, there is that interview where he said that DD will be more effective if they add another quality back, I believe I heard Lance say that he has heard that the team has made up their mind and they want Bush. I heard Richard Justice on PTI saying that they are going to take Reggie and that they aren't going to trade. It goes on and on. Casserly has been talking recently about how they are shopping the pick around (why this is all of the sudden news I don't know). I believe that this is just GMspeak. Sure he is taking offers, but unless it is a Ricky Williams or Herschel Walker type deal he and the team isn't interested. And they aren't going to get a deal like that because the teams right below them have just as many holes as the Texans.

I don't think it will happen because Benson is cheap, but I could see the Saints swapping picks if they are truly in love with Leinart like some of the reports claim and fear that the Texans will trade with the Jets who will take Leinart right above them. I think in that case, the Texans would accept less because they are still guaranteed to get their guy. But I don't think the Saints have much to offer pick-wise because we already own their 3rd round pick. I can't see them giving up their 2nd round pick and having no more first day picks in a deep draft. But if they did offer that, I would take it.

If they wanted to trade Carr and draft Young they would have either franchised him or transition tagged him because then he would still have trade value and it wouldn't cost the Texans anything cap-hitwise. Signing him to a 3 year extension and then trading him months later makes no sense because then you incur an $8 million cap hit this season, which means that they would have close to no money to spend on free agents.

I would say that there is an 85% chance that they stay where they are and draft Reggie Bush, a 14.999% chance that they trade down, and a .001% chance that they draft Vince Young.
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Carr loses a lot of value if he's franchised, costs you tons of money if you can't move him, and sours the situation if you keep him.
 
tulexan said:
I actually see it differently. I believe that the Texans want Reggie Bush. They wanted him before the Rose Bowl, they wanted him after the Rose Bowl, and they still want him now. Kubiak also wants him. There is that Peter King report of him telling Shanahan that he plans on taking Reggie Bush, there is that interview where he said that DD will be more effective if they add another quality back, I believe I heard Lance say that he has heard that the team has made up their mind and they want Bush. I heard Richard Justice on PTI saying that they are going to take Reggie and that they aren't going to trade.
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Knowing Kubiak personally and talking with him on multiple occasions since his hiring..... I know for a fact that they are not settled on Bush at this point in time. (He happens to be my step-dad's first cousin and close friend) .

As of now the staff has been completed for about a month , they have had time to evaluate the current roster . The combine was completed just yesterday . The evaluation process of those prospects has just begun .

Bush may well end up being their pick but that is far from a foregone conclusion inside the orginization .....There are several players they are interested in other than Bush .

You tend to get different answers having a conversation with a person sitting across the dinner table from you than some reporter shoving a mic in someone's face begging for a story.
 
Well, Kubiak is my sister's boyfriend's brother-in-law, so listen here...

Seriously, Carr is staying put. You cannot afford to trade him this year as you would have over $8 million counting toward this year's cap. Additionally, in light of the CBA situation, nobody is going to be able to afford to make that move. We are either going with Bush or trading down. The problem is that the two most likely trading partners - the Jets and Raiders are already well over their cap limit and have as many, if not, more holes to fill than us. I really don't think we are going to get a good enough trade offer to move down to take the Brick.
 
corrosion said:
You tend to get different answers having a conversation with a person sitting across the dinner table from you than some reporter shoving a mic in someone's face begging for a story.
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You've got that right.
 
Nighthawk said:
That's your merry-go-round and you're welcome to it. I would mind.

But instead, we drop to 4 with the Jets, get #4, Abraham and a third [?], and looy there, at #4 VY is still available, and the Raiders come calling. I think we make a trade there as well and go to 7 where we (finally) make our 1st pick. If we're lucky it's Davis.
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I wouldn't mind that happening. I think that might be one of those draft day deals, not one that's worked out even 2 days ahead of time. I think the Raiders would be willing to give up some good players. According to that link that someone posted, they are $26 million over the cap. Maybe they'll trade Joey Porter for the #1 or whatever pick we trade down too, if we do it! Imagine:

WR1: Andre Johnson
WR2: Joey Porter
TE: Vernon Davis

I don't know what the chances are, probably slim to none, but I can always dream.
 
tulexan said:
I actually see it differently. I believe that the Texans want Reggie Bush. They wanted him before the Rose Bowl, they wanted him after the Rose Bowl, and they still want him now. Kubiak also wants him. There is that Peter King report of him telling Shanahan that he plans on taking Reggie Bush, there is that interview where he said that DD will be more effective if they add another quality back, I believe I heard Lance say that he has heard that the team has made up their mind and they want Bush. I heard Richard Justice on PTI saying that they are going to take Reggie and that they aren't going to trade. It goes on and on. Casserly has been talking recently about how they are shopping the pick around (why this is all of the sudden news I don't know). I believe that this is just GMspeak. Sure he is taking offers, but unless it is a Ricky Williams or Herschel Walker type deal he and the team isn't interested. And they aren't going to get a deal like that because the teams right below them have just as many holes as the Texans.

I don't think it will happen because Benson is cheap, but I could see the Saints swapping picks if they are truly in love with Leinart like some of the reports claim and fear that the Texans will trade with the Jets who will take Leinart right above them. I think in that case, the Texans would accept less because they are still guaranteed to get their guy. But I don't think the Saints have much to offer pick-wise because we already own their 3rd round pick. I can't see them giving up their 2nd round pick and having no more first day picks in a deep draft. But if they did offer that, I would take it.

If they wanted to trade Carr and draft Young they would have either franchised him or transition tagged him because then he would still have trade value and it wouldn't cost the Texans anything cap-hitwise. Signing him to a 3 year extension and then trading him months later makes no sense because then you incur an $8 million cap hit this season, which means that they would have close to no money to spend on free agents.

I would say that there is an 85% chance that they stay where they are and draft Reggie Bush, a 14.999% chance that they trade down, and a .001% chance that they draft Vince Young.
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I think the safest move is to flip spots with N.O.,take their 2nd and 4th round picks and give them back their 3rd round pick.
That gives you:

Bush
#33
#34
#65
and first 2 picks of the 2nd day, always a good value on someone overlooked.

with 33,34 & 65 take DE,OL,LB if still needs after FA
 
So I'm not exactly on Young boat, but here's something to think about. Carr just got extended for 3 years, take a rookie QB how long to be NFL ready? 2-3 years? :spy: Hmmm.....
 
LCROD said:
So I'm not exactly on Young boat, but here's something to think about. Carr just got extended for 3 years, take a rookie QB how long to be NFL ready? 2-3 years? :spy: Hmmm.....
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Better yet for this year. How about uniting Farve and Sherman instead and getting a rookie QB in next years drat?
 
HomeBred_Texan said:
Better yet for this year. How about uniting Farve and Sherman instead and getting a rookie QB in next years drat?
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LOL....that's just as likely as us drafting VY. :pigfly:
 
tulexan said:
I would say that there is an 85% chance that they stay where they are and draft Reggie Bush, a 14.999% chance that they trade down, and a .001% chance that they draft Vince Young.
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Well, I would NOT mind this, but my guess is there's a 1 in 10 chance we'll stay at #1 and take Bush, and we'll only do it because we can't get a package that's sweet enough, but I don't think the pkg has to be ridiculous (Walker/Williams). The Jets at #4 could offer Abraham and a 2nd, and maybe a 2nd next year (I haven't done the math), and that ought to be enough, or close to it. We'd even go to #7 directly if the pkg is very sweet.

Bush is, get this . . . UNNECESSARY . . . and that's why we won't take him. At some point down the pecking order Bush (and Young, for that matter) become great values, and you take them lower down just because they're there. Bush won't go past #3, I don't think. VY might slide because he really has been beaten up since the combine. If we get to #7 and VY is there we will take him in spite of Carr and our other needs. At #4, if Bush falls to us after a trade with the Jets, we would probably take Bush.

ANd there are several other players we might end up with various scenarios.

If I were a betting man, and I am, I'd say we will not end up with Bush or Young.
 
On the issue of the Saints trading with us: dont't forgett how good the Saints were two seasons ago. They have a lot of talent, certanly the most of any team in the top 10 of the draft. What this means is that they may value Leinart over the rest of their draft. If they feel they are in danger of losing Leinart, they may be willing to give up their 2nd and 4th, or something like that, to trade up to 1 and make sure they get their man.
 
Anyone pay attention to the waiver wires today? Putzier was waived by the Broncos. I think we may find a pass receiving TE fairly soon. I also think we'll make a play for Abraham from the Jets that doesn't have to be that rich. The guy wants out of there. I should think we could offer them our #2 and they would consider it. It's a heck of a lot better than our 2 and 3 for Buchanon for us and close to a #1 for a disgruntled player for them.
 
HomeBred_Texan said:
Better yet for this year. How about uniting Farve and Sherman instead and getting a rookie QB in next years drat?
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lol:
Sorry but I have to ask....are you for real?

His time to ***** or get off the pot is the 8th. I am one who wants another season from Brett! A little proof to show he will go out in Green and Gold-

Favre is coming off his worst season as a pro. He was intercepted a career-high 29 times and finished with a career-low passer rating of 70.9.

Hold told a Milwaukee television station this week that he has no desire to play for another team.

“It doesn’t even cross my mind,” Favre said. “I just can’t envision myself playing anywhere else.”
http://packers.scout.com/2/504146.html
 
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