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Texans' Cuts

interesting. could Ragone finally move up to #2? and is Hollings being cleared out for Reggie Bush?
 
tulexan said:
interesting. could Ragone finally move up to #2? and is Hollings being cleared out for Reggie Bush?
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I'm surprised about Banks at least cutting him this early.

Several things could be read into this. Ragone moving to #2. Making room for VY, and/or maybe they will sign Tim Couch maybe?

As far as Hollings goes, you could read it as making room for Bush, or just that he was yet another Casserly draft bust in the second/third rounds, that he has to finally come clean on.

Not surprised at all on Coleman. After the lackluster effort last yr, good bye and good riddance.
 
Porky said:
I'm surprised about Banks at least cutting him this early.

Several things could be read into this. Ragone moving to #2. Making room for VY, and/or maybe they will sign Tim Couch maybe?

As far as Hollings goes, you could read it as making room for Bush, or just that he was yet another Casserly draft bust in the second/third rounds, that he has to finally come clean on.

Not surprised at all on Coleman. After the lackluster effort last yr, good bye and good riddance.
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Forget VY he will never get here. Tony Banks was never going to stay he's not very good and Kubiak saw that befor he ever got here. We will be able to find a good number 2 in FA.
As far as Bush goes we will not know until draft day.
 
TEXANS84 said:
Hollings and Coleman was expected, Banks has kind of thrown me off guard.
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I expected Colemen and Banks, Hollings threw me off guard. Now that he is healthy, he will get a shot somehwere else and be just fine.
 
I figure Maddux & Brian Griesie know the system already and hear both will likely get cut. Couch is a no go. Marcus Vick? You gotta be kidding me...no way McNair touches this dysfunction.
 
From what I've seen and heard from Steeler's fans, Maddux was not a good fit with a young QB. These are diehard, go to every practice and game type people. Obviously they were never in any meetings, but I value their word. Maddux didn't help Big Ben in any way. Maybe he's changed, but not the type of guy I would like around Carr. My 2 cents, take it for what its worth.
 
Vinny said:
I figure Maddux & Brian Griesie know the system already. Couch is a no go. Marcus Vick? You gotta be kidding me...no way McNair touches this dysfunction.
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Your probably right about Couch, but since they just worked him out, and a week later cut Banks, I kind of added 2+2, which if I am an Aggie, gives me 5. :yahoo:
 
as far as the cuts go i wasn't surprised by coleman...banks and hollings i am but oh well neither were ever going to start or make that much of an impact on this team...ragone might be the #2 guy...or this might be the year that the texans staff draft yet another QB...or maybe they're going after one of the veterans vinny mentioned...either way...coleman was gonna cost us a lot of money just to sit on the bench...no reason to keep him...won't be surprised if he winds up in dallas with glenn
 
keyfro said:
as far as the cuts go i wasn't surprised by coleman...banks and hollings i am but oh well neither were ever going to start or make that much of an impact on this team...ragone might be the #2 guy...or this might be the year that the texans staff draft yet another QB...or maybe they're going after one of the veterans vinny mentioned...either way...coleman was gonna cost us a lot of money just to sit on the bench...no reason to keep him...won't be surprised if he winds up in dallas with glenn
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I won't be surprised if he is out of the league. If it's one thing Parcells demands, it 100% effort. Coleman laid a complete egg last year, and looked like he couldn't care less 90% of the time. I don't think Parcells will care for that attitude. Someone will probably give him another chance though, but I just will be shocked if it is Dallas.
 
CoachJim said:
I dunno Vin, ya don't think Kubes thinks he can make him drop that other shoe?
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That was my Vince Young blast o' the day.

Ragone is a RFA too isn't he?...so we only have one QB contracted right now?
 
Vinny said:
That was my Vince Young blast o' the day.

Ragone is a RFA too isn't he?...so we only have one QB contracted right now?
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Yep, Ragone is RFA. Things should get interesting here, especially with the labor talks shutting down today.
 
So if I am figuring right which I am probably not, it'll save us about $1 million off the cap this season by cutting these 3...
 
Vinny said:
Tommy Maddux or Brian Griesie? Who's your money on?
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Maybe Miami will release Gus Frerotte. I think he would make a good backup to Carr. He signed a two year deal last year so probably won't happen. Depends on what they do with Rosenfels i suppose.

Maybe Kitna would like to try his luck here.

Griese sounds more likely.
 
cuppacoffee said:
Maybe Miami will release Gus Frerotte. I think he would make a good backup to Carr. He signed a two year deal last year so probably won't happen.

Griese sounds more likely.
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Griese will garner more interest than being a backup qb on the texans!
 
texan279 said:
So if I am figuring right which I am probably not, it'll save us about $1 million off the cap this season by cutting these 3...
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Can anyone confirm what the cap savings will be for cutting these guys?
 
I'm calling for Josh McCown. I like local guys, I guess this brands me a homer. And the guy showed the ability to put up big numbers (alot of 300 yard games given the starts). I know he had Fitz, Boldin, a non-existent running game, and was playing from behind... but still, he showed the ability to not mess up a good thing and competence at the very least. He's young and has a big arm.

He'd be great as a backup to Carr and somebody to really push him.. we might be able to figure out if Carr is the problem. He'd be great as a 1-2 year guy while/if VY develops. So that's my Josh McCown tout for the day. He's an Ivan Drago doppelganger, which is more than a good thing (judging by his brethren in Drago looks Andrei Kirilenko).
 
Taken from: http://www.houstonprofootball.com/cap.html

Player Name Signed Base Allocated Total 2006 Cap Figure
Thru Salary Bonus Pay
Banks, Tony 2006 $850,000 $406,720 $1,256,720
Hollings, Tony 2006 $460,000 $239,970 $699,970
Coleman, Marcus 2007 $1,785,000 $1,340,153 $3,125,153

Coleman in 2007 $2,100,000 $1,340,153 $3,440,153

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These are my calculations:

So for Banks and Hollings we saved $850k and 460K. With a cap hit for both at $646,690 and a savings of $1.31 Million

Coleman we saved over 2 years 3.885 Million and took a cap hit of 2.68 Million this year.

Total Savings 4.75 Million and a Cap hit of Just under $3.327 Million this year.
 
Vinny said:
Tommy Maddux or Brian Griesie? Who's your money on?
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C'mon Vinny...Tommy Maddux? No!!! I'd say Griesie over him, even if Griesie was forced to throw left handed, still Griesie.
 
I don't like the Hollings cut. No he has not shown anything in 3 years, but what could they have watched to review him--he had zero carries last year, 11 the year before (4.3 ypc) and 38 back in 2003. Why not carry him into camp and at least watch him in person before officially blowing off a #2?
 
remember coleman is a parcells guy porky...parcells even gave him a kiss after the pre-season game...so don't count marcus out...i think he just didn't like the team after aaron glenn was released...dallas is his home town...probably wants to retire at home with glenn no big deal...i don't see him signing anywhere else...if dallas doesn't want him and they need a FS then he'll probably retire

as far as the quarterback position and the runningback position...you know i think FA will show us a lot about the upcoming draft...i think after last years horrible offseason...casserly has learned you can't simply hope for your guy to be there when you pick like he did with troy williamson...in this case they know exactly who they can get with the #1 pick but with trades and the other rounds there is no garentee
 
bigTEXan8 said:
C'mon Vinny...Tommy Maddux? No!!! I'd say Griesie over him, even if Griesie was forced to throw left handed, still Griesie.
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Just naming guys with experience in Kubiaks system. Griesie could push Carr to start, so I'd prefer someone like him if he gets the door.
 
I'd say Griesie is the best bet considering his history with the Koob. He probably wants to be a starter so instant controversy. I'd like to see McCown too or maybe even Ramsey to compete for the backup/starting job. Good cuts by the team today. Who's next?
 
Vinny said:
Just naming guys with experience in Kubiaks system. Griesie could push Carr to start, so I'd prefer someone like him if he gets the door.
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I concur...I'm just giving you ****.
 
Dr. Toro said:
I'm calling for Josh McCown. I like local guys, I guess this brands me a homer. And the guy showed the ability to put up big numbers (alot of 300 yard games given the starts). I know he had Fitz, Boldin, a non-existent running game, and was playing from behind... but still, he showed the ability to not mess up a good thing and competence at the very least. He's young and has a big arm.

He'd be great as a backup to Carr and somebody to really push him.. we might be able to figure out if Carr is the problem. He'd be great as a 1-2 year guy while/if VY develops. So that's my Josh McCown tout for the day. He's an Ivan Drago doppelganger, which is more than a good thing (judging by his brethren in Drago looks Andrei Kirilenko).
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I wouldn't mind seeing Josh McCown coming here. I thought he was better than Warner in Arizona, but Dennis Green didn't stick with him. McCown might get a chance to start somewhere else, but if not, I wouldn't mind seeing him backup Carr. He's better than Tony Banks in my opinion. If not McCown, then I'm not sure who else. Wasn't Brian Griese doing pretty good before he got hurt in Tampa Bay? He might want to be a starter also.

I'm not surprised about Hollings or Coleman. I think everyone knew Coleman was going to get cut. He could have stepped up and been the leader of the defense after Sharper and Glenn left, but nope. Lackluster effort the whole year. At least the rest of the team actually seemed to be trying to win games. Hollings was another wasted draft pick. I think he'd been injured alot, kind of like that other wasted 2nd round pick *cough*Joppru*cough*. Oh well, hopefully we'll live and learn.
 
I don't think they had any way to know that Joppru would have health problems. He was just bad luck.
 
HJam72 said:
I don't think they had any way to know that Joppru would have health problems. He was just bad luck.
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That is true. But just think...Jason Witten could have been in a Texans jersey right now :crying:
 
All I have to say is

Sweet
Sweet
Sweet

We'll never miss those guys

Put me down for Griese as a back-up- the more Michigan alums the better. Besides Greise is a born WINNER. He took Wash St. to school in the 1998 Rose Bowl to bring home the national championship. Why, he has as many championships as.....shhh...vince young.
 
Hollings and Coleman are no surprise to me. I'm somewhat surprised that Banks has been cut, but I'm glad to see him go. I think Ragone could have been #2 last year.
 
Coleman was way past his prime. No surprise he's gone.

I'm a little surprised they cut Banks, but maybe Kubiak has an ace up his sleeve with someone in mind. I would not doubt Griese showing up here if nobody wants to start him.

I thought Hollings might be around a bit longer, too. Hope the kid gets a chance somewhere, but perhaps he just didn't show us anything here because he ain't got anything to show. idonno:
 
I am kinda glad the Texans cut these guys. They will probably not contribute much this year or fit into what the Texans want. I can see more coming by the end of the week.

Like:

McKinny with his 4.7 Million cap number (if he won't redo his contract).
Wiegert with his 4.2 Million cap Number (He needs to redo his contract too)
 
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Hollings gone....check....That's one of Casserly's high round BUSTS cut.. Looks like there are more of Charlie's blunders to go on the list....wonder who's next....hard to pick just one...:cool:
 
I'm really surprised about Tony Banks. Not surprised about Hollings. Or Coleman either- not because of performance, but more because of age and the cap upside.
 
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