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Possible Cap Casualties

TexanBacker93

TexanBacker93

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I'm interested to see who anyone thinks might or should be cap casualties. It's been pointed out to me that it is risky to let veterans go when they impact the leadership of a team, but sometimes a team has to make decisions that will help a team.

I think there a few needs that need to be addressed.

Walker/Payne/Johnson/Smith is too much money tied up in DTs when a switch to a 4-3 means only 2 can start. Johnson and Smith are the younger and healthier players so I don't think they go. Payne is only 31 and would provide a good 3rd DT. He's also more cap friendly and less injury prone. So...

Walker is signed through 2009. His accelerated cap hit would be $7.3 million. He is due for $5.8 this season. It would cost the Texans $1.5 million to cut him, but would definitely help out over the next 3 years.

Marcus Coleman lost his starting spot and probably a lot of supporters with his lackluster play. He made mental mistakes and showed a lack of effort at many times. He's signed though 2007. His accelerated cap hit would be $2.5 million against a salary of $3 million. It's a no brainer when you save money.

Steve Mckinney doesn't need to necessarily get cut unless he refuses to renegotiate. He's in the last year of the contract that is due to pay him $4.7 million this season. His allocated bonus is $800k so it would save the team almost $4 million to release him. $4 million a year could get the team LeCharles Bentley. Hmm...I'd rather go that route. I think they can restructure, keep him and still save the $4 million.

Todd Wade is due a ton of money over the next 4 years. No really, if you weigh it out it equals 2000 lbs. Can he handle a regular zone blocking scheme? He struggled a lot last season and I think the team would be much better served looking to the draft for a starting RT. His accelerated cap hit would be $6.7 million. He is due $5.1 this season and who knows how much more the following. It would cost $1.6 million to release him and the team would get better.

With those 4 changes the Texans save about a million and a half this season. Now, if they wait until after June 1 for Walker and Wade they could push $7 million to next season's salary cap...hmmm...possibly no cap next year. You might see a lot of June 1 cuts this year if they can push half the cap hits onto 2007. If the Texans save $8 million off that cap to add to the $9 they have available now they could look to add a LeCharles Bentley and a Chris Hope possibly.
 
if i was on the texans squad, i'd take less money this year to be able to play under the superb new coaching staff. Esp. if i was on offense.
 
Marcus Coleman should be gone, not so much as a cap casualty but because he quit on the team and isn't worth the money we're paying him, and getting rid of him frees up $500k against the cap. I could see Walker or Payne going since we have $15+ million against the cap tied up in four DTs. Cutting Walker costs us $1.5 million while cutting Payne saves us $540k, so Payne would be the more likely candidate there, although outside of salary considerations I'd rather see Walker leave. Steve McKinney needs to take a serious pay cut or he's gone. I had heard a while ago he said he would take a pay cut, but on the radio this morning they said he wouldn't take a pay cut. Either way, if we cut him he gets paid nothing for this year and it saves us $3.9 million against the cap, so we have some pretty good leverage to negotiate a salary cut with him, not to mention he didn't play very well last year. If he doesn't want to cut his salary at least in half, then cut/trade him. I wish we could get rid of Wade and I don't want him to be playing next year (the guys on 610 this morning agreed with that point) but he is real expensive to get rid of so we probably can't cut him and hope he takes a pay cut, but I don't know if he will. That said, we could possibly package Steve McKinney, Marcus Coleman, and Seth Payne/Gary Walker to a team for a 5th round pick, and I would definitely take that rather than cutting them and getting nothing like we did with Sharper, Glenn, and Foreman last year. However, with their high base salaries I'm not sure someone would take all three of them, but we can hope.
 
cap casualties are going to be coleman, mckinney(if he won't restructure) and weigert (if he won't restructure)

trades will likely come from gary walker and peek(restricted free agent but what will likely happen is we'll offer him enough to get atleast a 3rd round pick compensation for him)...payne is another option...one teams like new england, pittsburgh, and miami wouldn't mind looking at...gary walker though is probably our best option to trade...before we re-signed him baltimore was looking hard at him...cleveland needs quality people as well as arizona...peek is probably going to get attention from the new teams running the 3-4 defense...i could see san fran, cleveland, miami, and oakland taking a long look at him

i know peek is a fan favorite...heck he's one of my favorite players but he simply does not fit the 4-3 defense...he doesn't have the coverage skills to be a linebacker and he doesn't have the size to be a DE...remember he has problems keeping his weight around 250...he showed up the OTA's this past year at 260lbs and by the end of the season he was almost to 245lb again...if he could show the ability to cover in pass he would be a great strongside linebacker
 
Mork I like your plan there are a couple of guys of other guys that would be gone also, but that was discussed on our FA thread. Walker, Wade, Weigert, and McKinney have to be restructured or let go. Save Weigert because he can mentor a rookie getting ready to take his job. McKinney said on 610 after the season ended that he was willing to restructure, but not take a pay cut, so either he does not understand or he wants to go play for another team. Either way no big problem. One thing that is a must is Coleman has to go, his apathy can no longer poison the team.

Keyfro dont see Peek going anywhere this year. We need all the athletes we can use on defense. He showed up at OTA's at 260 and they wanted him to drop a little, he ended the year at 248 which if he goes to 260 again and ends the year about the same as a pass rush specialist or weakside pass rusher i have no problem with that.

TexanBacker your avatar is a big need for us, and if we are smart and want to turn this team around quickly he would go a long way to doing that.
 
I would say that Walker and Wade could definetely be cap casualties. To be honest I think we could unload them and come off way better in a trade. Look at Arizona as a possible trade partner. They need help on both lines and their running game. If we give them Walker and Weigart we would actually save maybe 1.5 to 2 mill. as opposed to keeping them. You want to make it enticing for Arizona throw in Morency. (As much as I might like this guys potential he said himself that if the Texans got Bush he would ask for a trade. I'm not saying the Texans will get Bush, but Morrency's comment just struck the wrong nerve with me.) We could get help in our wide receiver corps. and another player or maybe a pick next year. I think the Texans are in a great position to improve this yr. this is just one scenario where they could come out on top. I'm sure they can manage to unload cap space without many problems.
 
Coach C. said:
Mork I like your plan there are a couple of guys of other guys that would be gone also, but that was discussed on our FA thread. Walker, Wade, Weigert, and McKinney have to be restructured or let go. Save Weigert because he can mentor a rookie getting ready to take his job. McKinney said on 610 after the season ended that he was willing to restructure, but not take a pay cut, so either he does not understand or he wants to go play for another team. Either way no big problem. One thing that is a must is Coleman has to go, his apathy can no longer poison the team.

Keyfro dont see Peek going anywhere this year. We need all the athletes we can use on defense. He showed up at OTA's at 260 and they wanted him to drop a little, he ended the year at 248 which if he goes to 260 again and ends the year about the same as a pass rush specialist or weakside pass rusher i have no problem with that.

TexanBacker your avatar is a big need for us, and if we are smart and want to turn this team around quickly he would go a long way to doing that.
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Do you have a link to that FA thread?
 
I hope we can clear up some more space. Especially on the OLine. We pay our OLine way too much for the product they put on the field. And if we can clear up some of money, we can afford to bring in a Bentley. We have some big holes that need to be fixed before we go into the draft. :twocents:
 
Coach C. said:
TexanBacker your avatar is a big need for us, and if we are smart and want to turn this team around quickly he would go a long way to doing that.
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Alright, I am not really educated on some of the guys in the draft. Who is the player in his avatar.
 
Thanks, I just think that our team can manuever our personnel to improve alot this yr. more than we could expect and free up or use the cap more efficiently. However your deal sounds real good too, I think I would pull the trigger on that deal as well.
 
If McKinney is willing to renegotiate, but not take a pay cut, they could spread what is due to him out over 3 years and give him a little bigger bonus.

Give him $6 million over 3 years and a $2.1 million signing bonus.
2006 - $900,000 salary $700,000 bonus + $800 from last contract
2007 - $1.3 million salary $700,000 bonus
2008 - $1.7 million salary $700,000 bonus

Chances are slim that after this year or if he was cut that he would get a contract for anything more than the vet minimum at this time. He wouldn't get a signing bonus, so if he didn't make the team he would have only the $800k he got when we cut him. With this renegotiated contract he would still get that $800 and then get at least a guaranteed $2.1 million which could be as good as he could get on the free market. It still saves the Texans $2.2 million this season.

I think he could still be a valuable part on the line. I'd prefer him at guard and let either Hodgden take over or draft someone like Mangold or Eslinger.
 
cap1 said:
Alright, I am not really educated on some of the guys in the draft. Who is the player in his avatar.
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It is Mario Williams stud DE from NC State. 6'6" 285-290 compared to Ju Pep. Has played DT, DE, and OLB for NC State through his career there. He is a horse the kind I want taking blocking away from Peek, Babin, and Orr so they can blitz and rush freely.
 
cap1 said:
I hope we can clear up some more space. Especially on the OLine. We pay our OLine way too much for the product they put on the field. And if we can clear up some of money, we can afford to bring in a Bentley. We have some big holes that need to be fixed before we go into the draft. :twocents:
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Bringing in Bentley is enticing, but I would rather go with Enslinger. If we can get him, because Bentley is very expensive, we already have a serviceable center, and Enslayer fits the Zone Blocking scheme well. Also they can both play guard. The main reason I wouldn't go after Bentley is because while he may be an upgrade. He might not be the best money spent at this point.
 
cap1 said:
Alright, I am not really educated on some of the guys in the draft. Who is the player in his avatar.
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It's Mario Williams, DE extraordinaire from North Carolina St.

Dude's a monster. He'd be our Dwight Freeney, Julius Peppers, Jevon Kearse.


The only thing I wonder about trading guys like Wade/Walker is if their salaries are bad enough to keep another team away. The Texans pay the bonus, but the Cards would still be on the books for a lot. At least they could dump them for free if they didn't live up to the billing. Plus, as we found with Sharper and the Eagles will find with T.O. If teams know we want to get rid of someone and will release them outright, it's stupid to trade for them unless you are afraid someone else will sign them first. We're the only team dumb enough to do that lately when we traded for Buchanon. They were going to let him go, but we thought Washington would grab him first or beat us to a trade. Oh well, if we can trade them and get a couple of late draft picks that can be used to move up even, the more the merrier.
 
Now see dat boy, I feel the exact opposite on that. I think Bentley at G fits the zone scheme and he brings a toughness to the line. Which means we can get Eslinger or Mangold and they are there to replace Weigert if need be or help out Hogdon who got injured after a couple of games.
 
Coach C. said:
Now see dat boy, I feel the exact opposite on that. I think Bentley at G fits the zone scheme and he brings a toughness to the line. Which means we can get Eslinger or Mangold and they are there to replace Weigert if need be or help out Hogdon who got injured after a couple of games.
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If he was brought in to play guard I would have no problem with that, and if we were able to get Enslayer or mangold. I would probably be ecstatic. I was saying that because I've heard alot of talk about him coming in to play center. Thinking about it, if he did come in though I think I would rather get Setterstorm to play guard opposite of him. I think that would really balance our line out.
 
dat_boy_yec said:
If he was brought in to play guard I would have no problem with that, and if we were able to get Enslayer or mangold. I would probably be ecstatic. I was saying that because I've heard alot of talk about him coming in to play center. Thinking about it, if he did come in though I think I would rather get Setterstorm to play guard opposite of him. I think that would really balance our line out.
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now we can agree on that
 
TexanBacker93 said:
It's Mario Williams, DE extraordinaire from North Carolina St.

Dude's a monster. He'd be our Dwight Freeney, Julius Peppers, Jevon Kearse.


The only thing I wonder about trading guys like Wade/Walker is if their salaries are bad enough to keep another team away. The Texans pay the bonus, but the Cards would still be on the books for a lot. At least they could dump them for free if they didn't live up to the billing. Plus, as we found with Sharper and the Eagles will find with T.O. If teams know we want to get rid of someone and will release them outright, it's stupid to trade for them unless you are afraid someone else will sign them first. We're the only team dumb enough to do that lately when we traded for Buchanon. They were going to let him go, but we thought Washington would grab him first or beat us to a trade. Oh well, if we can trade them and get a couple of late draft picks that can be used to move up even, the more the merrier.
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See I think the situation would be different, because shopping a guy would be to our advantage. We don't have to get rid of them they could still play a significant role on our team. Sharper wanted out as did T.O. so with the guys we would shop our situation wouldn't be the same.
 
If you packaged a couple guys together you could maybe trade for a 5th or 6th, but cutting/trading Gary Walker and Todd Wade each cost us an additional $1.5 million against the cap so that reduces the amount of cap room we have. I'd like to release both of them but I don't know how viable of an option that is this year. Depending on who else we release and sign, we could probably afford to dump one of them but not both.
 
dat_boy_yec said:
If he was brought in to play guard I would have no problem with that, and if we were able to get Enslayer or mangold. I would probably be ecstatic. I was saying that because I've heard alot of talk about him coming in to play center. Thinking about it, if he did come in though I think I would rather get Setterstorm to play guard opposite of him. I think that would really balance our line out.
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This would be a studly OLine upgrade for us next year and is possible if we trade down to the #4/5 pick and add their 2nd round pick and whatever else to even out the deal:

LT Chester Pitts (already on roster)
LG Zach Wiegert (already on roster)
C Nick Mangold (#36/37 pick)
RG LeCharles Bentley (free agent sign, 6 years, $26-28 million with $12 million bonus)
RT Eric Winston (#33 pick)
 
MorKnolle said:
If you packaged a couple guys together you could maybe trade for a 5th or 6th, but cutting/trading Gary Walker and Todd Wade each cost us an additional $1.5 million against the cap so that reduces the amount of cap room we have. I'd like to release both of them but I don't know how viable of an option that is this year. Depending on who else we release and sign, we could probably afford to dump one of them but not both.
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What I alluded to earlier was cutting or trading in pairs. If you cut Walker and Weigart you would save money, because the amount you would save on Weigart is greater than what you would loose with Walker. If you cut Wade, you could cut McKinney and have a similar effect. There are moves like that accross the board. Wether the Texans would do it is another question.
 
dat_boy_yec said:
See I think the situation would be different, because shopping a guy would be to our advantage. We don't have to get rid of them they could still play a significant role on our team. Sharper wanted out as did T.O. so with the guys we would shop our situation wouldn't be the same.
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The Texans just need to make sure teams don't think they definitely want to get rid of them. Play it up as, "With a switch to a 4-3 and a more traditional zone blocking scheme, we have extra DTs and Todd Wade doesn't fully fit in the scheme." Maybe they could get a pick out of it.
 
MorKnolle said:
This would be a studly OLine upgrade for us next year and is possible if we trade down to the #4/5 pick and add their 2nd round pick and whatever else to even out the deal:

LT Chester Pitts (already on roster)
LG Zach Wiegert (already on roster)
C Nick Mangold (#36/37 pick)
RG LeCharles Bentley (free agent sign, 6 years, $26-28 million with $12 million bonus)
RT Eric Winston (#33 pick)
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I like the looks of that line. I think Bentley wants to play center, but I'm sure for the right money he will play guard.
 
MorKnolle said:
This would be a studly OLine upgrade for us next year and is possible if we trade down to the #4/5 pick and add their 2nd round pick and whatever else to even out the deal:

LT Chester Pitts (already on roster)
LG Zach Wiegert (already on roster)
C Nick Mangold (#36/37 pick)
RG LeCharles Bentley (free agent sign, 6 years, $26-28 million with $12 million bonus)
RT Eric Winston (#33 pick)
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The line I think would or should start next yr. would be as follows.

LT Pitts (already on roster) He's shown he's capable of handling this possition.
LG Bentley (FA) I'm not sure about the money, but this guy is way better than Weigart and should get this position.
C Hodgdon (already on roster) He showed promise last yr. and would be more comfortable there this yr.
RG Setterstorm or Mangold (Draft) I think a rookie could come in an handle this position and these two guys I think would definetely hold it down here.
RT Wand (FA) He could be had at a great price and I feel he got a bum deal this yr. even if we drafted a tackle I think Wand would hold this position at the start of the yr.
 
Wand is someone that hasn't been mentioned, but you are right, he could be a darkhorse candidate. He was a project that was oddly enough the starting LT during the year that the team had the least number of sacks if I remember correctly. Maybe it was year 2. Still, he struggled with the Freeney's of the NFL. Well, who doesn't? He has quick feet and long arms. Maybe at RT he could do well with someone like Sherman working with him. He's a RFA and should be able to come back for a decent price.
 
TexanBacker93 said:
Wand is someone that hasn't been mentioned, but you are right, he could be a darkhorse candidate. He was a project that was oddly enough the starting LT during the year that the team had the least number of sacks if I remember correctly. Maybe it was year 2. Still, he struggled with the Freeney's of the NFL. Well, who doesn't? He has quick feet and long arms. Maybe at RT he could do well with someone like Sherman working with him. He's a RFA and should be able to come back for a decent price.
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It was year #3
 
MorKnolle said:
This would be a studly OLine upgrade for us next year and is possible if we trade down to the #4/5 pick and add their 2nd round pick and whatever else to even out the deal:

LT Chester Pitts (already on roster)
LG Zach Wiegert (already on roster)
C Nick Mangold (#36/37 pick)
RG LeCharles Bentley (free agent sign, 6 years, $26-28 million with $12 million bonus)
RT Eric Winston (#33 pick)
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I like this but i think Bentley is making it clear he wants to go home and play with the Browns,if that is the case how about this scenario:
LT- D'brick #4
LG- Pitts
C- Mangold #33
RG-Setterstrom #36 (If Winston not available)or McKinney
RT-Winston #36 (If available) or M. Brown
 
TexanBacker93 said:
I like the looks of that line. I think Bentley wants to play center, but I'm sure for the right money he will play guard.
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Mangold could probably also play OG, so between him and LeCharles you have two guys that could interchange at C/OG.
 
whiskeyrbl said:
I like this but i think Bentley is making it clear he wants to go home and play with the Browns,if that is the case how about this scenario:
LT- D'brick #4
LG- Pitts
C- Mangold #33
RG-Setterstrom #36 (If Winston not available)or McKinney
RT-Winston #36 (If available) or M. Brown
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That would also be a really nice OLine, but using our top 3 picks on OL isn't likely going to happen and I wouldn't want to do that, I would leave out D'Brick and take Mario for our DLine then Winston at #33, Mangold at #36 (Winston is more of a danger of being taken at 34/35 so I take him first), Setterstrom or Davin Joseph would be nice but both will be available in the 3rd, and I think Wiegert is still fine for one more year.
Line without Bentley:
LT Chester Pitts/Eric Winston
LG Zach Wiegert
C Nick Mangold/Drew Hodgdon
RG Davin Joseph/Mark Setterstrom/other draft pick (maybe Mangold/Hodgdon)
RT Eric Winston/Chester Pitts
 
I would agree with you on that mork did you get that web address?
:yahoo:
 
So there are those who think we should start two or even three rookies on the o-line next year? I think that is more than a little risky. Even Pitts, who most think highly of on this board, stated he finally started playing instinctively just this past season - his 4th. (Sorry, no link to the quote. I believe there was a post about that early this season).
 
dat_boy_yec said:
You want to make it enticing for Arizona throw in Morency. (As much as I might like this guys potential he said himself that if the Texans got Bush he would ask for a trade. I'm not saying the Texans will get Bush, but Morrency's comment just struck the wrong nerve with me.) We could get help in our wide receiver corps. and another player or maybe a pick next year. I think the Texans are in a great position to improve this yr. this is just one scenario where they could come out on top. I'm sure they can manage to unload cap space without many problems.
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Don't matter what Morency said. He's one guy the Texans definitely need to keep.
 
Runner said:
So there are those who think we should start two or even three rookies on the o-line next year? I think that is more than a little risky. Even Pitts, who most think highly of on this board, stated he finally started playing instinctively just this past season - his 4th. (Sorry, no link to the quote. I believe there was a post about that early this season).
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I think we can agree next year we are not going to the playoffs so why not get good young talent in here and let them learn and start our run in 2007?
 
whiskeyrbl said:
I would agree with you on that mork did you get that web address?
:yahoo:
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Yeah, I've seen it a lot before, I haven't read thru many of the player profiles as they've been posting more of them recently and I didn't look at the specific guys you mentioned yet. I have used that site a lot though in putting together a lot of my offseason ideas.
 
whiskeyrbl said:
I think we can agree next year we are not going to the playoffs so why not get good young talent in here and let them learn and start our run in 2007?
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True, and we have to start at some point. We can't keep bringing in overpriced free agents and hope to patch together a good OLine from that. Most good OLines are built thru the draft, we have a lot of problems in our OLine, and this is a great year for OLine talent to bring in and build around. We have to start somewhere and we obviously haven't built it with talent to this point other than Pitts and then the aging Wiegert and McKinney. I think we can keep Wiegert as a starter for next year, we'll have to keep Wade because of his contract, and we have some other guys that are decent for backups (Milford Brown, Drew Hodgdon could be a legitimate starter, Todd Washington) so if our rookies can't beat these guys out at the start of the year then they can sit for as long as it takes them to be ready and better than our other guys, which shouldn't be very long at all in most cases, especially if we can bring in guys like Winston, Mangold, and Joseph/Setterstrom.
 
Runner I agree with you, but I think that the two rookies that Mork is talking about are very NFL ready. That will add alot to the situation, I mean Khalif Barnes was not that good this year, but find a person that would not have preferred him over Wade, Riley, or whoever else we trotted out there at RT. It always takes time, just got to go for NFL readiness.
 
whiskeyrbl said:
I think we can agree next year we are not going to the playoffs so why not get good young talent in here and let them learn and start our run in 2007?
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Well, IMO:

1) I want to try to win next year
2) We have some good talent on the team; the coaching will now take advantage of the talent
3) The draft is still a crapshoot - if 1 or 2 of those rookies don't pan out we are back where we started

4) (I don't really care about this one other than it is irritating) the fans of this team expect top notch performance the player's first year, or the word bust get pulled out faster than a "fire somebody" thread.

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5) We need to use some of those picks to fill other holes too.
 
Big B Texan Fan said:
It was year #3
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I just looked it up. I could have done it earlier, but my research guy was on break.

Year 1 - 76 sacks given up
Year 2 - 36 sacks given up
Year 3 - 49 sacks given up
Year 4 - 68 sacks given up

Year 2 was the best. I'm not sure what this all means except they were still much better in year 3 than last season and that was with Wand starting.
 
Coach C. said:
I mean Khalif Barnes was not that good this year, but find a person that would not have preferred him over Wade, Riley, or whoever else we trotted out there at RT.
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Don't know where you get Khalif Barnes was not that good. For a 2nd round rookie he played well enough to have most Jags fans thinking they have their LT for the future. I mean, sure 3.5 sacks given up and 2 penalties (12 games started) is nothing by Texans standards...oh, wait improvement is less than that. Never mind.
 
well my thinking on this is if you try to rebuild with FA on our OL your looking at a quick fix for 2-3 years then what?Back to square one.I guess it just depends on what your looking for.I'm looking to have a solid team for years to come not just the next 2-3.
 
whiskeyrbl said:
well my thinking on this is if you try to rebuild with FA on our OL your looking at a quick fix for 2-3 years then what?Back to square one.I guess it just depends on what your looking for.I'm looking to have a solid team for years to come not just the next 2-3.
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I understand that it is all good for the o-line if the picks all pan out, but there is no guarantee. Most pros - good, bad, average - looked good on draft day, that's why they were picked.

Also, if we are looking for a solid team as opposed to just a solid o-line in the long term we have lots of other holes we need to fix. The defense is in serious need of some young talent, and young talent seems to perform better faster on the defensive side of the ball.

However, over the next few weeks we'll see how the coaches feel about this as contracts are offered, cuts are made, and free agents are picked up. The draft will just be the final piece of the puzzle before camp, depth charts, and the other really good stuff happens.
 
I agree here is how i would address the draft if we trade down to the Jets for a 1st and 2nd this year:
#4 Mario Williams DE(instead of D'Brick)
#33 N.Mangold C
#36 Joseph CB (SC)
#65 V.Adejanu DE (Indiana)
#66 Setterstrom OG (MINN)
#97 C.Humes RB (Virg. Tech)
#129 S.Green WR (LSU)
#161 R.Harper S (ALA)
#193 Bieneman TE (Wash.St.)
 
whiskeyrbl said:
well my thinking on this is if you try to rebuild with FA on our OL your looking at a quick fix for 2-3 years then what?Back to square one.I guess it just depends on what your looking for.I'm looking to have a solid team for years to come not just the next 2-3.
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I think you can get a mix. It's why I lean towards restructuring McKinney's deal, try and bring in someone like Bentley, who's still young, and then draft a couple of young good linemen.

The line this year could have Pitts/McKinney/Bentley/Weigert/Winston, with Hodgden and Eslinger, Setterstrom, or Mangold in the fold as well. I wouldn't start more than one rookie if possible and 3 of those on the line are already familiar with the offense. Maybe start Hodgden and keep Weigert as the first lineman on the bench. It's a group they can grow with and then when Weigert goes or McKinney goes they have good young players to take their place. By that next year you could have Pitts/Setterstrom/Eslinger/Bentley/Winston and they are all young enough to be around for awhile.
 
TexanBacker93 said:
The line this year could have Pitts/McKinney/Bentley/Weigert/Winston, with Hodgden and Eslinger, Setterstrom, or Mangold in the fold as well. I wouldn't start more than one rookie if possible and 3 of those on the line are already familiar with the offense. .
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So of these 8 or 9 lineman, and counting Pitts as a tackle, we'd have two tackles on the team? I don't think the new coaching staff is going to act like any player can play any position on the line like the previous brain trust did.
 
whiskeyrbl said:
I agree here is how i would address the draft if we trade down to the Jets for a 1st and 2nd this year:
#4 Mario Williams DE(instead of D'Brick)
#33 N.Mangold C
#36 Joseph CB (SC)
#65 V.Adejanu DE (Indiana)
#66 Setterstrom OG (MINN)
#97 C.Humes RB (Virg. Tech)
#129 S.Green WR (LSU)
#161 R.Harper S (ALA)
#193 Bieneman TE (Wash.St.)
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I didn't watch enough college football or read enough draft reports to comment on most of these guys, but it is a nice mix of positions. Since I'm no draftnik, I'll leave it at that.
 
Runner said:
So of these 8 or 9 lineman, and counting Pitts as a tackle, we'd have two tackles on the team? I don't think the new coaching staff is going to act like any player can play any position on the line like the previous brain trust did.
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I'm assuming Wand is still around. Weigert played tackle last season for the final few games, playing well, so he can play there as well. I didn't mention him since he wouldn't be a new addition and I don't think he'll start. He might get looks again, though.
 
TexanBacker93 said:
I'm assuming Wand is still around. Weigert played tackle last season for the final few games, playing well, so he can play there as well. I didn't mention him since he wouldn't be a new addition and I don't think he'll start. He might get looks again, though.
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Wand is a guy I really hope they keep. He showed he could handle the LT position before they devised help for the LT so I'm sure he could compete for the LT spot and if nothing else man the RT spot. I could see Weigart as a backup for Gs and Ts if he restructures otherwise I think he would be a cap casualty, or involved in a trade.
 
TexanBacker93 said:
I'm assuming Wand is still around. Weigert played tackle last season for the final few games, playing well, so he can play there as well. I didn't mention him since he wouldn't be a new addition and I don't think he'll start. He might get looks again, though.
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Ok.

They usually only carry about 8 lineman (I think); that was the point I didn't state clearly. So your original list will have to be a little shorter.
 
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