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Im Starting to Think Its On The Owner

nice enough guy, but doesnt seem like he cares about winning. i guess i wouldnt care too much if i was that rich and getting pockets stuffed by a losing product.
 

Thorn

Dirty Old Man
Oh Jesus Christ, here we go again.

At least we have a NFL team to ***** about. And don't think for a second I'm defending anyone. Because I'm not.
 

Lucky

Ride, Captain, Ride!
Staff member
nice enough guy, but doesnt seem like he cares about winning.
I think McNair wants to win. Who wants to sit in a luxury box and watch your team get booed? The question is, does McNair know what it takes to win? I don't see it. The people around him don't know what it takes, and he picked those people. McNair needs to find one guy that knows the NFL, and step back. Way back.
 

DocBar

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I think McNair wants to win. Who wants to sit in a luxury box and watch your team get booed? The question is, does McNair know what it takes to win? I don't see it. The people around him don't know what it takes, and he picked those people. McNair needs to find one guy that knows the NFL, and step back. Way back.
Maybe he should call Coughlin while he's in town. Just sayin...
 

eriadoc

Texan-American
This is
Posted on another thread
Immediate problem may be poor coaching
Longer term problem Rick Smith
Longest term problem Owner. I like McNair as a person but he needs to hire qualified personnel and then get the hell out.
This is your solution?

He has hired people and tried to get out of the way. He's tried to be patient with those people (too much so, IMO), but has cycled through coaches after giving them an appropriate period of time, or maybe a year too long. He hasn't meddled much, isn't a blowhard like Jerry Jones, and doesn't fire his people every year or two like Cleveland or NY. His hires for head coach have been praised at the times of hire.

McNair really only has one failing, and that's being too patient with one single person in his employ. Every other person has been given a fair shot to provide results and then let go.
 

Wolfiegrrl

Fan of NFC Seahawks & AFC Texans
No, I'm firmly calling this loss on Rick Smith. He stood by and did nothing as Brown refused to show up for work. His mentality of 10% - 60% - 30% is over the top bad. (If I remember that right, read an article years ago and I can't find it now.) That's your top 10% you do whatever to keep around, 60% are your blue collar type workers, you extend if they are doing well and the bottom 30% is constantly churning. Rick is terrible at finding people that fit what the coach wants on the field. He can hit some stellar picks in the first round, but for the love of all that is Texans, he is crap when filling in the depth.

This game was an embarrassment on all sides of the ball. Gah, I can't believe I got suckered into spending another $200 for NFL Sunday Ticket this year. I feel for you folks with PSLs.
 

Carr Bombed

Hall of Fame
nice enough guy, but doesnt seem like he cares about winning. i guess i wouldnt care too much if i was that rich and getting pockets stuffed by a losing product.
Christ almighty not this stupid **** again.

I'll tell you what when Bob McNair rolls his near 80 year old ass out of bed and craps the bed, then we can blame him. Houston laid a egg today, but that yoke is not on McNair. Fire the damn Offensive genius of a head coach.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
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Christ almighty not this stupid **** again.

I'll tell you what when Bob McNair rolls his near 80 year old ass out of bed and craps the bed, then we can blame him. Houston laid a egg today, but that yoke is not on McNair. Fire the damn Offensive genius of a head coach.
Who hired the offensive genius to be HC?

Who hired the GM who put the talent on the OL that allowed 10 sacks? I repeat 10 sacks? It's kinda hard to be an offensive genius when your OL allows 10 sacks because your GM failed to address that area of need in not only the draft but in FA and failed to get his best OL in camp and ready to start game 1 of the regular season. These chickens are beginning to come home to roost.

But it's easier to blame BOB. It's all his fault no matter I called what was going to happen this season before it happened. At this point I want everybody fired.
 

TheKDog

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Who hired the offensive genius to be HC?

Who hired the GM who put the talent on the OL that allowed 10 sacks? I repeat 10 sacks? It's kinda hard to be an offensive genius when your OL allows 10 sacks because your GM failed to address that area of need in not only the draft but in FA and failed to get his best OL in camp and ready to start game 1 of the regular season. These chickens are beginning to come home to roost.

But it's easier to blame BOB. It's all his fault no matter I called what was going to happen this season before it happened. At this point I want everybody fired.
I blame them all.

It's almost poetic how a trio of idiots found each other like this.
 

JB

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Was McNair out there at LT? Maybe LG? Or even RG?

This is on Ricky first and foremost, and secondly on OB for not complaining loudly enough about the shaft job and then failing to make any efforts to mitigate the effects.

I still think the OL coaching sucks, but perhaps it's tough to coach a cowpattie to smell like a rose
 

TheKDog

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Maybe we need to do one of those Twitter outrage things to get rid of him.

He was for that bathroom bill right?

Regardless of your politics, this could get him out.
 

steelbtexan

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Lol

And who was the Bob nut hugger, oh that's right YOU WERE what a joke
Is this directed at me?

I said before the season that BOB would be gone after this season one way or the other. If it's me you're talking too, then think of me what you wish. You need to admit your boys the McNairs are a bunch of idiots when it comes to roster building and that's had very little to do with BOB. BOB wanted to hire Ceasario as GM and kick Ricky upstairs. McNair nixed what BOB wanted to do. I guess this is what you mean by BOB nut hugging?
 

RTP2110

All Pro
Nobody wants to win more than Bob McNair, he just doesn't know how. In fact he's pretty bad at it. His EGO believes he has the answers and the know how to win. He doesn't.
I agree 100%. To me, the fact that this team is always up against the cap shows that he at least makes an effort to build a winner. The problem, IMO, is just that he has put the wrong people (person) in charge, and is too slow/scared to make a change. I still remember the famous interview he gave about how firing Kubiak would have been too "traumatic". I think the 2-14 season was the very next year.
 

Carr Bombed

Hall of Fame
Is this directed at me?

I said before the season that BOB would be gone after this season one way or the other. If it's me you're talking too, then think of me what you wish. You need to admit your boys the McNairs are a bunch of idiots when it comes to roster building and that's had very little to do with BOB. BOB wanted to hire Ceasario as GM and kick Ricky upstairs. McNair nixed what BOB wanted to do. I guess this is what you mean by BOB nut hugging?
Yes short answer yes troll
 

steelbtexan

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You absolutely hate the ******* owner we get it
I don't hate anybody

I hate that winning is very low on McNair's priority list. I've been saying this since 2010 and nothing has been done to change my mind on this subject.

BTW, If you want to discuss this with me use the quote function. If you want to drive by disparage my line of thinking then knock yourself out. The one thing you cant do is change the facts of how the Texans org was built, or the results that have ensued.
 
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Carr Bombed

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I don't hate anybody

I jhate that winning is very low on McNair's priority list. I've been saying this since 2010 and nothing has been done to change my mind on this subject.

BTW, If you want to discuss this with me use the quote function. If you want to drive by disparage my line of thinking then knock yourself out. The one thing you cant do is change the facts of how the Texans org was built, or the results that have ensued.
Trolling since 2007
 

steelbtexan

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I agree 100%. To me, the fact that this team is always up against the cap shows that he at least makes an effort to build a winner. The problem, IMO, is just that he has put the wrong people (person) in charge, and is too slow/scared to make a change. I still remember the famous interview he gave about how firing Kubiak would have been too "traumatic". I think the 2-14 season was the very next year.
Yep, it takes 2-14 to get any semblance of change in the Texans org. This yrs 5-11, 6-10 will probably get BOB fired and Ricky will stay on using the excuse of having a rookie QB and then a YES man HC will be the next HC of the Texans. Come on down Lovie you're the perfect HC for this org.
 

Chance_C

All Pro
Yep, it takes 2-14 to get any semblance of change in the Texans org. This yrs 5-11, 6-10 will probably get BOB fired and Ricky will stay on using the excuse of having a rookie QB and then a YES man HC will be the next HC of the Texans. Come on down Lovie you're the perfect HC for this org.
I don't see 5-11 or 6-10 in today's teams future.
 

steelbtexan

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Go ahead troll
Awesome

See how I'm not calling you names? I find your act really sad. Too bad you've chosen to stoop to this level. I guess that's what you've got to do when you wear blinders.

The Texans on the field product is speaking loudly and clearly for me.

I'm done here.
 

Mangler

Toro de España
nice enough guy, but doesnt seem like he cares about winning. i guess i wouldnt care too much if i was that rich and getting pockets stuffed by a losing product.
Now this is just stupid. If he didn't care about winning he wouldn't have stood for drafting a QB in the first round (like you all demanded) or resigning our best WR, and taking the team to West Virginia so they could practice comfortably. It's more of him not really knowing that much about football and believing in the guys he has around him.
 

JB

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Every owner in the league is rich and stuffing their pockets in this game. Can we stop with that stupid ass narrative already?
Yeah, kind of like complaining about McDonald's selling hamburgers. They thing they are, they want to sell good hamburgers at a good price.

They just don't know how
 

Texian

Hall of Fame
I agree 100%. To me, the fact that this team is always up against the cap shows that he at least makes an effort to build a winner. The problem, IMO, is just that he has put the wrong people (person) in charge, and is too slow/scared to make a change. I still remember the famous interview he gave about how firing Kubiak would have been too "traumatic". I think the 2-14 season was the very next year.
The fact that they are always up against the cap every year and every year they have virtually no depth to speak of. The real weakest link of this organization. The depth of this team is made up mostly of veteran minimums and rookie salaries. Doesn't speak well of their salary cap management.
 

Texian

Hall of Fame
Let me say this about yesterday's game. See what happens when you hire someone who knows how to win more games than others in the league and give them full complete authority and responsibility for all football operations. (One decision maker)

Tom Coughlin, Executive Vice President of Football Operations, Jacksonville Jaguars

I have to admit I thought it would take Tom a little longer to turn things around but I'm not surprised. Bad news for Texans and the AFC South, Coughlin's Jaguars are only going to get better and they were pretty good yesterday.
 
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EVOLVIST

Kid A
Nobody wants to win more than Bob McNair, he just doesn't know how. In fact he's pretty bad at it. His EGO believes he has the answers and the know how to win. He does not.
McNair is too timid when it comes to football and the people he puts around him. McNair's ego has every right to sit on a high pedestal, only when it dovetails into football it's such a different animal compared to Cogen Tech, Cogene Biotech, that he loses himself in what brought him to football in the first place, an escape for his other business ventures. It was supposed to be fun, adventurous, and money-making. Well, it's all of those things, but when you join a good ol' boy's club, you can't quite be the good ol' boy behind closed doors as you are when you're in the public eye.

These days, it's 16-years in, with a 79-year old man, and that zebra won't change those stripes. He hasn't learned. He'll be the same man (and same owner) to his grave.

It's the trickle-down effect, and it's killing this team. It always has. Same conversation, different year.
 

Texian

Hall of Fame
McNair is too timid when it comes to football and the people he puts around him. McNair's ego has every right to sit on a high pedestal, only when it dovetails into football it's such a different animal compared to Cogen Tech, Cogene Biotech, that he loses himself in what brought him to football in the first place, an escape for his other business ventures. It was supposed to be fun, adventurous, and money-making. Well, it's all of those things, but when you join a good ol' boy's club, you can't quite be the good ol' boy behind closed doors as you are when you're in the public eye.

These days, it's 16-years in, with a 79-year old man, and that zebra won't change those stripes. He hasn't learned. He'll be the same man (and same owner) to his grave.

It's the trickle-down effect, and it's killing this team. It always has. Same conversation, different year.
McNair is running the Texans like he ran Cogen because that is what he knows how to do. When his Cogen Boardroom mentality fails because it's not conducive to coaching and managing a football team and it's operations, Bob's at loss of what to do next. Instead he resorts to what always worked well for him at Cogen. Unfortunately he's doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. The best way to become successful at something is to surround yourself with people who are a lot smarter than you. Bob has not done that. He has Cal and Rick. Say no more....
 
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steelbtexan

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Was McNair out there at LT? Maybe LG? Or even RG?

This is on Ricky first and foremost, and secondly on OB for not complaining loudly enough about the shaft job and then failing to make any efforts to mitigate the effects.

I still think the OL coaching sucks, but perhaps it's tough to coach a cowpattie to smell like a rose
This is what things look like when there's dissension in upper mgmt within an org.
 
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