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Who should start Thursday against The Bengals?
- Thread starter Chris
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Texas Jake
Rookie
I think that now they have made the change to Watson, there is no going back.
I somewhat disagree. I don't want to see Watson ruined like Carr was if the Texans can't manage to shore up the OL, which is unlikely, minus Brown returning. Watson IS much more mobile than Carr was, so I'll stew on it for a few days.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Whomever you want injured first!
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Hard to understand how this coach has gone back on his starting QB decision in the first game of the season TWICE.
I don't really think we have mucb in m Savage, but my reservation to letting Watson play is if he's going to be a tackling dummy due to our Oline.
Ive normally been a happy clapper type of fan, but can't help feeling like screaming fire everyone with this latest monumental **** up.
I mean they've taken 3 years not even trying to get a QB on the basis of putting an Oline, some receiving options and a running game around him to help him succeed. And they've missed on virtually everything except maybe the QB who now comes in to a **** situation.
I don't really think we have mucb in m Savage, but my reservation to letting Watson play is if he's going to be a tackling dummy due to our Oline.
Ive normally been a happy clapper type of fan, but can't help feeling like screaming fire everyone with this latest monumental **** up.
I mean they've taken 3 years not even trying to get a QB on the basis of putting an Oline, some receiving options and a running game around him to help him succeed. And they've missed on virtually everything except maybe the QB who now comes in to a **** situation.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
You start Watson.
He's not going to be Carr unless he sucks like Carr.
Watson should've been the starter all along.
Savage is a career back up at best. If we had an Alex Smith level of qb that has a chance of going to a super bowl then I'd go with that guy.
There's no way in hell I'd start Savage or would've ever started him. For what?
He's not going to be Carr unless he sucks like Carr.
Watson should've been the starter all along.
Savage is a career back up at best. If we had an Alex Smith level of qb that has a chance of going to a super bowl then I'd go with that guy.
There's no way in hell I'd start Savage or would've ever started him. For what?
Savage appeared to be far ahead of Watson in PS, against vanilla D's (see NO game for non vanilla), so there's that. The problem isn't necessarily Savage, but OB's vanilla offense. PS or regular season, it's the same offense. Plain old vanilla. No wonder his QBs can't compete when defenses break out the mint-pistachio. I put the vast majority of this on OB and the OL. Horrid OL play and putrid play calling that kept exposing it.
A time to chill
Waterboy
Watson should be the starter and should've been the starter from the beginning. If you put Savage in, he'll inevitably be benched again later in the season.
It really does suck for Savage though to be benched in the 1st game of the season. That was a boneheaded move by O'Brien. He should've waited until the bye week to make that move. But that's the incompetence of Bill O'Brien.
Hopefully, the Texans are talking with Duane Brown to end the holdout before we face the Bengals.
It really does suck for Savage though to be benched in the 1st game of the season. That was a boneheaded move by O'Brien. He should've waited until the bye week to make that move. But that's the incompetence of Bill O'Brien.
Hopefully, the Texans are talking with Duane Brown to end the holdout before we face the Bengals.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
OB should've known better. I said in the pre season that Savage was getting the ball out slow even against vanilla defense. I said once the regular season started and Savage couldn't go to his first read it would be ugly because he's not the guy you want behind this Oline. Even with slight improvement on the Oline Savage still is like Herman Munster in the pocket. He's too slow to process and react.
Add in a bad Oline and you get the disaster you saw today.
I never got the Savage love though. I never would've even drafted the guy but that aside, if this guy had spent his career on any other team besides the Texans, who in their right mind would be thinking "ya know who we should bring in this off season to start and lead our team....Tom Savage!!!"
I'm not even sold on Watson, but I think he's better than Savage. I don't put any stock in Savage having more tenure in this system because the system is **** and the Oline is not going to allow him to sit back and slowly process everything like he wants to do.
The Texans as per usual dropped the ball in many places.
Slower than Osweiler. Reminds one of a older, beatup David Carr. Except Savage hasn't played enough to be that punch drunk.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Is it?
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Y'all realize that Watson threw his first regular season TD pass before Savage did.
Let that sink in.
Better yet, every other shitty qb that's been on this roster including such greats as Keenum and Weeden have managed to look better and throw TD passes under OB.
Let that sink in.
Better yet, every other shitty qb that's been on this roster including such greats as Keenum and Weeden have managed to look better and throw TD passes under OB.
All we heard from BOB was that Savage was the hands down starter. Savage, Savage, Savage!!!
Only to make a change after 30 minutes. The guy is more indecisive than my wife.
I think you bring Savage back and let him play. I don't want to ruin Watson ala Carr. I don't think you bring Watson back until you can get Duane Brown on the field at the very least.
Honestly, unless you can find average O lineman as street free agents, you need to keep Watson off the field. He's going to get destroyed back there.
I was at the game today. Savage does need to get the ball out faster, but the receivers were not open. Hopkins doesn't get much separation to begin with and the other receivers were non existent. No one is really getting separation. We need a better WR coach.
Honestly, unless you can find average O lineman as street free agents, you need to keep Watson off the field. He's going to get destroyed back there.
I was at the game today. Savage does need to get the ball out faster, but the receivers were not open. Hopkins doesn't get much separation to begin with and the other receivers were non existent. No one is really getting separation. We need a better WR coach.
Jadmakaveli
Veteran
Time to go win this Super Bowl baby!!!
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Just curious, if the Texans OL is still bad or just barely improved next season are you sitting Watson again?
Jadmakaveli
Veteran
Have you did a breakdown of the game yet? Was curious to see what your take was.
Just halfway.
But it serves no purpose now.
I had wanted to fire O' Brien and Rick Smith two years ago.
As far as Watson is concerned, his plays today showed it all.
He has the talents, but he's not quite ready. And this Oline will get him killed.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Anyone not concussed?
Weeden.
fiasco west
All Pro
This ENTIRE situation is thanks to crappy drafting on that side of the ball.
Offense has 1...ONE threat on the field that's Hopkins. Our RB is mediocre as a primary back. Our TEs also mediocre. Will Fuller is hurt...and oh yes, our Oline is trash with probably one player that would be coveted by other teams and he's holding out for who knows how long.
The Texans since forever always think they can get a QB that is...Good enough, if we had drafted Derek Carr in 2014 we wouldn't be in this situation. Wouldn't have spent the money on Brock, wouldn't have traded away our future for Watson, and would have been able to focus on getting Carr more weapons in protection for the past two seasons instead.
But noooooooooooooo, BOB had to give his Patriot backup QBs a shot because...I dunno, the guy thinks he's a QB whisperer. His loyalty to Savage hurt us this game, like you, I never understood why we were writing him in for starter.
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
Savage holds the ball too long, then has to peel it and eat it or throw desperation short dink passes, but at least he isn't throwing picks. Watson's inaccuracy and failure to see the whole field is his downfall. Neither is a franchise QB, but a decent OL would help Savage more than it would Watson.
dwight pugoy
Waterboy
Savage needs to start. That o-line will get folks killed. save him for a new coach and a upgraded line next year.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Doesn't matter if Bill O'Brien is still coaching.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Dang is this deja vu all over again? I mean Brock couldn't get Hopkins the ball but as soon as Savage came in, he was hitting Hopkins everywhere. Now all of sudden Savage just couldn't hit Hopkins to save his life. Watson come in and bam Hopkins finally catches some passes. So what's really going on.
As far as who should start, it doesn't matter because every team has the blueprints on our offensive line. Thank you Coach Sean Peyton for exposing the hell out of us in the third preseason game.
As far as who should start, it doesn't matter because every team has the blueprints on our offensive line. Thank you Coach Sean Peyton for exposing the hell out of us in the third preseason game.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Agreed.
Crappy drafting compounded by crappy player development.
I can name more players that have regressed or not lived up to expectation under OB than I can name that have developed into better players. Think about it.
Hopkins hasn't really gotten any better, sua filo was largely billed a can't miss pick. He sucks. We haven't developed any young Oline into even competent back ups. Jeff Allen was thought to be a solid pickup. He comes here and sucks. Same with Lamar Miller. The qbs have all been pathetic. He drafted all these young skill players and they look the same as the day they were drafted.
I guess Fido is the best example of an offensive player getting better here?
Let me not start ranting again. This loss really didn't affect me in real life as much as it may seem on here. I was actually pretty apathetic about it. Partly because I've simply come to expect things like this.
Today's loss is not even what bothers me. It's the degree of ineptitude of the people who are supposed to be pros that just simply baffles the hell out of me.
I agree the choice is either Watson or Weeden. Savage is Savage is Savage. Coaches pet has been exposed. Please look at his past FOOTBALL performances. Seems like great guy but NFLQB on this team???
Of course this team is SO talent poor because of Ricky Bobby Baby that it really doesn't matter does it.
Yeah ZZ took my mind off football for a few hours but the memory is still there.
Knowing fans that are not Koolaid addicts have seen this for many years and it is getting fu$%ing OLD.
C'mon McNair wake up. Our Texans have no clothes on!!!!!!!!!!!
Texansballer74
The Marine
Braxton Miller is not a reciever in this league.
K. Jackson still doesn't look for the ball in coverage.
I can't believe Manc is not a stsrter on this line this season. He was our second best lineman last season.
Looks like Johnson regressed. I know his injury from last season might be the reason for that. ( Q in the Doc)
Clowney didn't look like the improved player we seen last season. He was missing easy tackles behind the line of scrimmage badly. He wasn't getting any pressure on the QB. One has to wonder is because JJ is back, so no more roaming the line of scrimmage for him.
Hmmm even a blind man can see JJ is not the same. I kept looking for him to make his usual impact play. Especially against the Jaguars. Unfortunately it never happened. He missed quite of few tackles in the back field.
Wow Cushing is completely done and done. Dude was killing the defense because he wasn't hitting his gap responsibility like he suppose too.
Finally what a first game debut for Defensive Coordinator Vrabel. His schemes just didn't work. They looked nothing like Crennel's schemes.
But hey X it's just the 1st game right.
Could it be we never draft the right people. WR can't catch a ball and doesn't have the build/body to survive in the NFL. What about the players drafted that aren't even on the team anymore or maybe not even in football for all I know. Brock anyone??? I still don't like that we took Clowney. Hopkins is what he is. Good possession receiver if given the chance. Not a superstar like the Texans paid him. Ok I have ranted long enough.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Have you noticed when these players go play for another team, they all of sudden becomes productive in some way? I wonder why is that
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fiasco west
All Pro
Did not even think about the development part of it and you're 100% right there.
Also, I didn't care about it too much honestly. This team deserves what it gets for how it has treated the QB position for basically its entire existence. Maybe I would care, but thankfully, the Rockets and Stros are well run, competent, and respected teams, so they take the edge off. They may not win championships (Astros could...Rockets have a superteam in the way) but they are at least well run teams that will probably be top 5 teams for a good while.
So I've just accepted the Texans as the runt of Houston sports.
False Start
On # 69
I know, right! It seems like it happens in every sport too, whether it be the Astros, the Texans, or the Rockets. It's like they always go to another team and become badass.
As far as who starts, I would not be surprised if OB pulls a crazy ass move and says we're going to stick with Savage for the time being, to give the rookie more time.... Or some dumb shi+ like that.
Texan in Japan
Rookie
Watson has to start. I think we give Davenport a shot at LT, he can't do worse than Lamm. Mancz needs to be starting C, move Martin to RG. "X" maybe 2nd worse pick in franchise history behind Amobi. Damn, he could have been Carr 2 if we had any real talent evaluators. Given the state of our TEs, Lamm can be that blocking TE he is more suited for to help slow the rush. I might even leave Prosch in the backfield to help keep Watson alive. We need some WRs who can get open and catch the ball. We looked pathetic. Maybe it was the Harvey Hangover, but Thursday is coming fast and I'm not sure we'll have much of a team to field.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Already
Yeah my gut feelings is telling me Savage will be the starter this Thursday.