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Drumk Epitome about the QB situation

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It's the off-season, I'm bored and wanting to get drumk like I was when I had this epitome of out qb situation. Think i'm gonna do

this TK style if I have the patience. It's too long, but it was a fascinating conversation with myself.


BOB was hired before 2014 with the understanding that he would have his choice of qb's. He decides Fitz is his best option as a

veteran backup. Fitz is a smart guy and while nothing special, ain't gonna lose you many games with a decent roster around him.

2014 draft approaches:
Bob comments: " I think that young kid from S. Carolina would be a no-brainer selection at 1-1. He's the best player in the draft".

(Williams wasn't near as terrible as Carr so this is probably a safe pick.)

During pre draft meetings both RS and BOB understand that pleasing the boss is a good thing and that with the top selections in both

rounds 2 & 3, Bill can certainly get his choice of either Bridewater or Garropolo. Clowney is obviously the choice to make.

Dang, out of nowhere Minnesota trades up into the bottom of the first and selects Bridgewater at #32. NO ONE saw that coming.

BOB: "Damn! At least we can still get Jimmy G. Do it Rick!"
RS: "We can do it Bob but he will still be there at #65 and X-man has fallen and is still available. You know guard is a need and we

had him rated really high, he's the best available guard.

Bob (new guy trying to believe) " Ok Rick, just get me JG at #65.

NE trades up to #62 and take Garropolo

RS: "Damn, that wasn't supposed to happen! You said there was lots close Bob, we'll get one of the others later to develop and wait

until next year"
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Thomas gets taken at #120 after RS takes another fallen star in Nix, moving up to do so. Savage is the only QB left but Bob takes him

knowing it's gonna take a few years. We're stuck with Fitz for the year.

2015, two quality QB's in the draft that go 1&2

Bob: Well get me Hoyer. Mallet too if cheap we'll have some competition and mentoring for Savage.

RS happy to do this with a breath of relief. Neither will be expensive.

Not a great season but made the playoffs somehow. But all agree the season was a disaster, summed up in the brutal playoff game at home no less.

2016

Knowing that BOB has stated a strong desire that he wants the QB situation fixed, RS and Bob know that something has to be done. With the 2 decent QB's going very high and the 3rd QB rated high similar to Savage hopes not high for the draft

Rick: Bob, we have to do something or we'll both lose our jobs.
Bob: Nothing you've promised has come to pass so... what are you suggesting?
Rick: I think I can get the top FA QB, that both Elway and Kubiak are high on. He's got an arm and he's smart.
Bob: I don't know the kid but ok.

We all know what happened next.

BOB: GET ME A DAMN QUARTERBACK IN HERE!

KC traded up for Mahomes, to RS's delight ( because the boss likes Clemson also ). We take no chances but move up for Watson.
 
A few things....

What do you mean "Williams wasn't as bad as Carr"

Who is Williams?

And they'd have had to be really dumb is they didn't think someone trading up to get Bridgewater wasn't an option Or they weren't sold on him being the guy.

Also, your timeline is fuzzy with the Mallett thing. Mallett was here his first year. He was traded for kind of late but got a chance against the Browns. He played well, not so much the next game. The excuse given was the pectoral injury from him lifting weights.

In the off season they got rid of Fitz and brought in Hoyer. Hoyer was the guy he wanted and he got rid of Fitz to get him.

From there yeah...Hoyer stunk when it counted most, Os was brought in, he stunk...

So here we are.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
A few things....

What do you mean "Williams wasn't as bad as Carr"

Who is Williams?

And they'd have had to be really dumb is they didn't think someone trading up to get Bridgewater wasn't an option Or they weren't sold on him being the guy.

Also, your timeline is fuzzy with the Mallett thing. Mallett was here his first year. He was traded for kind of late but got a chance against the Browns. He played well, not so much the next game. The excuse given was the pectoral injury from him lifting weights.

In the off season they got rid of Fitz and brought in Hoyer. Hoyer was the guy he wanted and he got rid of Fitz to get him.

From there yeah...Hoyer stunk when it counted most, Os was brought in, he stunk...

So here we are.
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Williams is Mario who was a much better 1-1 than Carr

yeah my timeline a bit fuzzy, but the whole post is. My point was that Mallett/Hoyer competition defined the 2015 season, and that's sad

It is a drumk epitome after all... and I'm old almost like Obi and Thorn.

I'd say memory sucked if I had any
 
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TheKDog said:
I don't see where this conspiracy of Rick Smith screwing O'Brien comes from. Rick Smith just says yes to whatever.
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It would seem odd to me if a then 8 year NFL GM would be saying "yes" to a first year NFL Head Coach. Especially considering the owner and his son have such a good relationship with said GM.

If RS is as you infer just a yes man for the HC why even have a GM? All the negative comments (such as BoB screwed up the o-line when he decided not to retain Brooks and Jones) you've made about O'Brien comes across, to me anyway as RS isn't doing his job either. Do you think both should be fired?

BTW, I don't think there's a conspiracy at all. I think both men are trying to build a championship caliber team, they're just not there yet in large portion to Osweiler and every QB brought in pretty much since the franchise began (minus a few good years from pick six, injury riddled Matt Schaub).
 
banned1976 said:
It would seem odd to me if a then 8 year NFL GM would be saying "yes" to a first year NFL Head Coach. Especially considering the owner and his son have such a good relationship with said GM.

If RS is as you infer just a yes man for the HC why even have a GM? All the negative comments (such as BoB screwed up the o-line when he decided not to retain Brooks and Jones) you've made about O'Brien comes across, to me anyway as RS isn't doing his job either. Do you think both should be fired?

BTW, I don't think there's a conspiracy at all. I think both men are trying to build a championship caliber team, they're just not there yet in large portion to Osweiler and every QB brought in pretty much since the franchise began (minus a few good years from pick six, injury riddled Matt Schaub).
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That's how the Texans are set up. The coaches make the decisions on who they want. Kubiak and Wade chose their guys, now Obrien and Crennel choose theirs.

Rick Smith adds his opinions, but ultimately defers to the coach. O'Brien said Rick never gets a guy they don't want.

Why would Rick want more control? His job is safer this way, McNair won't fire him for just doing his role.

And no I'm not a fan of Rick, I'd prefer we start with a new GM and head coach.
 
TheKDog said:
...Why would Rick want more control? His job is safer this way, McNair won't fire him for just doing his role.

And no I'm not a fan of Rick, I'd prefer we start with a new GM and head coach.
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Did you see the movie Draft Day. I see RS as this type of GM.
 
I didn't intend this as a RS bashing thread... just how I think things have gone down. I think RS was able to convince OB that he could get his guy later and then it didn't work in the '14 draft and things have gone downhill from there largely due to circumstance
 
TheKDog said:
And no I'm not a fan of Rick, I'd prefer we start with a new GM and head coach.
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I'd prefer a GM who picks his head coach. A GM with the guiding vision of the direction he wants the team to go & puts the people in place to get us there.

But... this is what we got & I hope for the best.
 
TheKDog said:
That's how the Texans are set up. The coaches make the decisions on who they want. Kubiak and Wade chose their guys, now Obrien and Crennel choose theirs.

Rick Smith adds his opinions, but ultimately defers to the coach. O'Brien said Rick never gets a guy they don't want.

Why would Rick want more control? His job is safer this way, McNair won't fire him for just doing his role.

And no I'm not a fan of Rick, I'd prefer we start with a new GM and head coach.
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I want to see what Watson has before that decision is made.

My prediction is that O'Brien will be exiting after his contract is up

& Rick Smith will be here until at least 2020.

McNair doesn't like throwing money out of the window.
 
I got a pretty good buzz going out here in Destin and as much **** as I talk I'm ready for the season.

I don't think Bob is our best option but he can change my mind. I don't think Smith is the best GM, but I appreciate him taking some risks and having a sense of urgency. We tried to coach up 2nd string vets, tried the 'splash' free agent. He had to pull the trigger in the draft. Only thing left. Catch lightning in a bottle and with this defense make a little noise. Strong run game. Talented wideouts. Hell yes I'm worried about the line, I'm just hoping training camp sorts it out. There has to be some dude out there better than Clark and Giacomini.

Defense? Top 3 easy, might be the best all year. Lots of nice players on that side of the ball.

I'm gonna throw down some more Yuengling and hope that Bob gets his **** together on offense this year.
 
Smith just doesn't know how to pick a QB. I'm sure Watson was his idea and Watson is going to be an epic failure due to that worst possible fault among NFL signal callers—inability to scan the coverage quickly and consequent staring down of intended receiver.
 
Seegara said:
Smith just doesn't know how to pick a QB. I'm sure Watson was his idea and Watson is going to be an epic failure due to that worst possible fault among NFL signal callers—inability to scan the coverage quickly and consequent staring down of intended receiver.
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I don't agree with this. I believe Watson was BOB's pick and I think RS approved. Before the Draft they brought in Mahomes for 2 days and then Watson for 2 days. I think that's when they made their final decision. Watson is BOB's guy all the way but I think RS is in lock step with him on the pick, and it must have been agreed on to move up in the Draft and go get him if there was a run on the QB's. If Watson fails it will be on BOB!
 
Insideop said:
I don't agree with this. I believe Watson was BOB's pick and I think RS approved. Before the Draft they brought in Mahomes for 2 days and then Watson for 2 days. I think that's when they made their final decision. Watson is BOB's guy all the way but I think RS is in lock step with him on the pick, and it must have been agreed on to move up in the Draft and go get him if there was a run on the QB's. If Watson fails it will be on BOB!
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Are you forgetting or ignoring that RS first saw Watson at the 2016 championship game and it was at that time became enamored with him. RS had his eye and attention on Watson since that game. OB may have come on board with the pick, but Watson is the QB RS has wanted since January of 2016.
 
Number19 said:
Are you forgetting or ignoring that RS first saw Watson at the 2016 championship game and it was at that time became enamored with him. RS had his eye and attention on Watson since that game. OB may have come on board with the pick, but Watson is the QB RS has wanted since January of 2016.
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Something's wrong if our GM isn't at the NC game.

For all we know he created that story retro actively, after the selection was made.

I bet, had we selected Mahomes, Rick wouldn't have been talking about that game.

I mean, if he fell in love with Watson when he said he did, would he be on board with Osweiler at $32M guaranteed? Or would he be more likely to sell Savage as the answer for 2016?
 
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Number19 said:
Are you forgetting or ignoring that RS first saw Watson at the 2016 championship game and it was at that time became enamored with him. RS had his eye and attention on Watson since that game. OB may have come on board with the pick, but Watson is the QB RS has wanted since January of 2016.
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It's kind of the job of the GM to be far more aware of college football than the HC.
 
http://houston.cbslocal.com/2017/06/19/bill-obrien-with-mad-radio-part-one/


"When I come into the building on draft night I want to be sharp in giving him a snapshot opinion when he asks me what I think of this player. He’s not gonna draft guys we don’t want"

On the process and discussions leading up to the selection of Deshaun Watson: “This year when we came here there were a number of quarterbacks we liked, but I can tell you there was a consensus that Deshaun Watson was the number one quarterback that we liked and for a lot of reasons. We loved his demeanor, we loved that he played in a lot of big games in college and won, he’s a winner, I mean the guy’s a winner. So when he (Rick Smith) turned to me and said give me your final evaluation of the guy I said the guy’s a winner, the arm strength, the accuracy, he’s accurate, he can fire the football, he’s got escapability so whatever your decision is that’s it and so Rick made the move and this kid has come in here and done what we’ve asked him to do."

" One of the things that it states in our contract is we go to Bob (McNair) if we have a disagreement, we have never had to do that, we just work it out."
 
thunderkyss said:
Something's wrong if our GM isn't at the NC game.

For all we know he created that story retro actively, after the selection was made.

I bet, had we selected Mahomes, Rick wouldn't have been talking about that game.

I mean, if he fell in love with Watson when he said he did, would he be on board with Osweiler at $32M guaranteed? Or would he be more likely to sell Savage as the answer for 2016?
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Your first sentence is a valid point but says nothing to the point. The rest is subjective conjecture.

I was making the point that RS was the first in the organization to focus on the Clemson QB. I'm not disputing that by the time of the draft, and after all the evaluations, everyone was on the same page, as indicated by the O'Brien quote, that Watson was at the top of the QB list.

This quote, by the way, only appears to address which QB they had ranked highest, not which pick should be selected #1.

There's been plenty of comment on the apparent demeanor inside the war room after the selection.

The argument is that the decision to go QB with that pick was RS's, but once that decision was made, O'Brian was on board with Watson.

There is also the comment that the two did not go to McNair. So possibly McNair had already made his thoughts known.

What we do know for a fact, as shown by the shots of the war room, is that RS was the only one exuberant over the selection at that precise moment it was made.

Explain this.
 
Seegara said:
Smith just doesn't know how to pick a QB. I'm sure Watson was his idea and Watson is going to be an epic failure due to that worst possible fault among NFL signal callers—inability to scan the coverage quickly and consequent staring down of intended receiver.
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It is nice how some are projecting Watson to be a failure, or at best mediocre, and we haven't even seen him play in training camp much less a preseason or regular season game.
 
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When you've been beat over the head with the failure stick as many times as Houston fans have, it becomes second nature to be cautious with your predictions.

I'm solidly at the point now where I'll only believe it when I see it. And 2017 is unseen at this point. "Hope" is still in my vocabulary, can't be a sports fan without it, but that sort of thing awaits something we haven't seen on the field yet.
 
Thorn said:
When you've been beat over the head with the failure stick as many times as Houston fans have, it becomes second nature to be cautious with your predictions.

I'm solidly at the point now where I'll only believe it when I see it. And 2017 is unseen at this point. "Hope" is still in my vocabulary, can't be a sports fan without it, but that sort of thing awaits something we haven't seen on the field yet.
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My last glimmer of hope has me projecting at least five wins this season.

"Beat over the head with the failure stick"...:spit: I was wondering where all those dents in my cranium came from. :)

:coffee:
 
Thorn said:
When you've been beat over the head with the failure stick as many times as Houston fans have, it becomes second nature to be cautious with your predictions.

I'm solidly at the point now where I'll only believe it when I see it. And 2017 is unseen at this point. "Hope" is still in my vocabulary, can't be a sports fan without it, but that sort of thing awaits something we haven't seen on the field yet.
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Regardless of how many times we've been beaten over the head, taking a wait and see approach about a player NO ONE has a clue how they will turn out, is one thing. Declaring a player a failure, or success even, and in some cases vehemently so, just because they think they're some talent evaluating guru or just thought they should have gone in a different direction, is another matter altogether. People take themselves way too seriously on the latter.
 
Speedy said:
Regardless of how many times we've been beaten over the head, taking a wait and see approach about a player NO ONE has a clue how they will turn out, is one thing. Declaring a player a failure, or success even, and in some cases vehemently so, just because they think they're some talent evaluating guru or just thought they should have gone in a different direction, is another matter altogether. People take themselves way too seriously on the latter.
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And those that are making that prediction have been wrong more than they've been right.

Makes you wonder if they're not just setting up for a hopeful " I told ya so"
 
Number19 said:
Your first sentence is a valid point but says nothing to the point. The rest is subjective conjecture.

I was making the point that RS was the first in the organization to focus on the Clemson QB. I'm not disputing that by the time of the draft, and after all the evaluations, everyone was on the same page, as indicated by the O'Brien quote, that Watson was at the top of the QB list.

This quote, by the way, only appears to address which QB they had ranked highest, not which pick should be selected #1.

There's been plenty of comment on the apparent demeanor inside the war room after the selection.

The argument is that the decision to go QB with that pick was RS's, but once that decision was made, O'Brian was on board with Watson.

There is also the comment that the two did not go to McNair. So possibly McNair had already made his thoughts known.

What we do know for a fact, as shown by the shots of the war room, is that RS was the only one exuberant over the selection at that precise moment it was made.

Explain this.
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O'Brien may have been on board with taking Watson but based on his demenour after the pick was announced...he may not have been on board with what RS gave up to draft him.

The 2 biggest positions of need for this upcoming season was RT and QB, in that order if I have to place a QB in either the 1 or 2 spot. Worse yet, the 2 weakest positions in the 2017 Draft was QB and OL according to almost every analyst. If I'm going to roll the dice on which position might develop over a 1-3 season period, I probably go OL since it doesn't have the same overall demands to become successful.

If RS had focused on signing a FA veteran RT it might have allowed the team to focus the draft in a different direction...such as a trade back for an additional pick versus a trade up and a loss of pick(s). The team doesn't have an immediate need for a LT, Brown probably has another couple of seasons as a top 5 LT. They also, imho have answers for 4 of their starting 5 OL positions. So, had the Texans drafted Robinson his 1st season would have been more of a developmental year while the team determines which OT position his talent best answers. Davenport was a solid pick and may have the tools to develop into a future LT provided Brown stays healthy for another couple of seasons. I also liked Pocic immensely b/c of his versatility and the way he plays the game. Pocic will make an impact sooner than later.

By the way, I'm not anti-Watson or QB b/c I was fully onboard when Derek Carr was there for the taking and the Texans let him slide by...and man, I always hoped it wasn't b/c of what his brother did with the organization. That would be far too stupid to even comprehend.
 
Number19 said:
Your first sentence is a valid point but says nothing to the point. The rest is subjective conjecture.

I was making the point that RS was the first in the organization to focus on the Clemson QB. I'm not disputing that by the time of the draft, and after all the evaluations, everyone was on the same page, as indicated by the O'Brien quote, that Watson was at the top of the QB list.

This quote, by the way, only appears to address which QB they had ranked highest, not which pick should be selected #1.

There's been plenty of comment on the apparent demeanor inside the war room after the selection.

The argument is that the decision to go QB with that pick was RS's, but once that decision was made, O'Brian was on board with Watson.

There is also the comment that the two did not go to McNair. So possibly McNair had already made his thoughts known.

What we do know for a fact, as shown by the shots of the war room, is that RS was the only one exuberant over the selection at that precise moment it was made.

Explain this.
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O'Brien may have been on board with taking Watson but based on his demenour after the pick was announced...he may not have been on board with what RS gave up to draft him.

The 2 biggest positions of need for this upcoming season was RT and QB, in that order if I have to place a QB in either the 1 or 2 spot. Worse yet, the 2 weakest positions in the 2017 Draft was QB and OL according to almost every analyst. If I'm going to roll the dice on which position might develop over a 1-3 season period, I probably go OL since it doesn't have the same overall demands to become successful.

If RS had focused on signing a FA veteran RT it might have allowed the team to focus the draft in a different direction...such as a trade back for an additional pick versus a trade up and a loss of pick(s). The team doesn't have an immediate need for a LT, Brown probably has another couple of seasons as a top 5 LT. They also, imho have answers for 4 of their starting 5 OL positions. So, had the Texans drafted Robinson his 1st season would have been more of a developmental year while the team determines which OT position his talent best answers. Davenport was a solid pick and may have the tools to develop into a future LT provided Brown stays healthy for another couple of seasons. I also liked Pocic immensely b/c of his versatility and the way he plays the game. Pocic will make an impact sooner than later.

By the way, I'm not anti-Watson or QB b/c I was fully onboard when Derek Carr was there for the taking and the Texans let him slide by...and man, I always hoped it wasn't b/c of what his brother did with the organization. That would be far too stupid to even comprehend.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
O'Brien may have been on board with taking Watson but based on his demenour after the pick was announced...he may not have been on board with what RS gave up to draft him...
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Good point and a possibility. The cost of all the dealing was a factor in the back of my mind, but not something I had given any attention to.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
O'Brien may have been on board with taking Watson but based on his demenour after the pick was announced
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Yep, because if there is one thing Billy is known for, its his happy go lucky demenour... some of you folks are "reaching"...

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It wasn't just OB, but the whole war room other than RS. But, yes, I'm aware of OB's normal stone face demeanor. You still expect some twitch of emotion at certain times.
 
The war room was unhappy, but it was the scouts and other front office personnel who were unhappy. There were some people tweeting that he wasn't the first QB on our board.

Then O'Brien talks about how much of a winner he is, how he's accurate (contradicting scouts) and how they had him consensus #1 (contradicting scouts again).

As said earlier, Rick gets the guys the coaches want.

It might not always be the guy the scouts want though.

Now the scouts don't really have much reason to scout first and second rounders for next year.
 
Number19 said:
Your first sentence is a valid point but says nothing to the point. The rest is subjective conjecture.

I was making the point that RS was the first in the organization to focus on the Clemson QB. I'm not disputing that by the time of the draft, and after all the evaluations, everyone was on the same page, as indicated by the O'Brien quote, that Watson was at the top of the QB list.

This quote, by the way, only appears to address which QB they had ranked highest, not which pick should be selected #1.

There's been plenty of comment on the apparent demeanor inside the war room after the selection.

The argument is that the decision to go QB with that pick was RS's, but once that decision was made, O'Brian was on board with Watson.

There is also the comment that the two did not go to McNair. So possibly McNair had already made his thoughts known.

What we do know for a fact, as shown by the shots of the war room, is that RS was the only one exuberant over the selection at that precise moment it was made.

Explain this.
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So, if Watson turns out to be a great QB and the Texans win a Super Bowl or two with him, does that mean RS was really a better GM than most people on this MB think and that they were all wrong for ever doubting him? And, do you think any of those people would ever admit they were wrong?

:stirpot:
 
TheKDog said:
The war room was unhappy, but it was the scouts and other front office personnel who were unhappy. There were some people tweeting that he wasn't the first QB on our board.

Then O'Brien talks about how much of a winner he is, how he's accurate (contradicting scouts) and how they had him consensus #1 (contradicting scouts again).

As said earlier, Rick gets the guys the coaches want.

It might not always be the guy the scouts want though.

Now the scouts don't really have much reason to scout first and second rounders for next year.
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This is what I've thought and believed all along that RS gets the guys the coaches want. I don't know about the scouts and how much input they have. I'm sure they might "pound the table" for their guy but in the end it has to be the coaches, and more likely BOB and RAC, that RS gets the pick for. As for Watson being Rick's guy first, maybe he was, who knows, but I still go back to the 2 days they had a visit with him and with Mahomes before the Draft. I still believe that's where they, both BOB and Rick, made their final decision. I also believe that a decision was made before the Draft that if they had to move up get their QB then that's what they would do, and I believe they had McNair's approval. JMO.
 
Insideop said:
So, if Watson turns out to be a great QB and the Texans win a Super Bowl or two with him, does that mean RS was really a better GM than most people on this MB think and that they were all wrong for ever doubting him? And, do you think any of those people would ever admit they were wrong?

:stirpot:
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After winning a SB, Houston fans would be happy with Bugs Bunny at QB. It's the trophy that matters, not the QB or the coach or GM.
 
Insideop said:
This is what I've thought and believed all along that RS gets the guys the coaches want. I don't know about the scouts and how much input they have. I'm sure they might "pound the table" for their guy but in the end it has to be the coaches, and more likely BOB and RAC, that RS gets the pick for. As for Watson being Rick's guy first, maybe he was, who knows, but I still go back to the 2 days they had a visit with him and with Mahomes before the Draft. I still believe that's where they, both BOB and Rick, made their final decision. I also believe that a decision was made before the Draft that if they had to move up get their QB then that's what they would do, and I believe they had McNair's approval. JMO.
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Yes, that's pretty much how I see it.

I think all this stuff about Rick somehow overruling the coaches and doing his own thing is smokescreen from guys talking to the media and controlling perception in case someone needs to find a new job.
 
Insideop said:
So, if Watson turns out to be a great QB and the Texans win a Super Bowl or two with him, does that mean RS was really a better GM than most people on this MB think and that they were all wrong for ever doubting him? And, do you think any of those people would ever admit they were wrong?

:stirpot:
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If Watson turns out to be this QB, I'll give full credit to RS. I do believe Watson is the QB he wanted, to run the type of offense he wants the Texans to run. If, as some believe, OB is gone after this season, I believe RS will be looking for coaching that can get the most out of Watson.

I was one who would rather have drafted OT first and a QB later. I am on board with Watson now. If he turns out to be The Man, I'll have no problem admitting RS got it right.
 
Thorn said:
After winning a SB, Houston fans would be happy with Bugs Bunny at QB. It's the trophy that matters, not the QB or the coach or GM.
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Thorn, are you implying that all those who rail against Rick Smith and think he's a bad GM are just windbags blowing hot air? You really don't think we have anyone like that around here, do you? :shades:
 
Insideop said:
As for Watson being Rick's guy first, maybe he was, who knows, but I still go back to the 2 days they had a visit with him and with Mahomes before the Draft. I still believe that's where they, both BOB and Rick, made their final decision. I also believe that a decision was made before the Draft that if they had to move up get their QB then that's what they would do, and I believe they had McNair's approval. JMO.
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The draft is a crapshoot. Nobody really knows who will be taken where. They may have a good idea, but I bet there were 31 teams that were surprised as heck when Chicago traded up to get Trubisky.

So you can't say we're going to get this guy, that guy, then this guy... You have to wait & see what's what, & who's left.

Just like the Peterson/Aldon Smith/Watt trade deal. The Texans had made provisions to trade up to a certain spot & planned to execute that trade if PatPat was there. He wasn't, so they had to decide if they wanted to give up the required capital to get Aldon Smith.

I doubt Jj Watt still being on the board was a major factor. That Watt & Farley were on the board. Maybe. But there's no way they could have known Watt would be there at 11.

Aldon Smith was the best pass rusher in that draft & if we owned the 6th pick outright, we probably would have taken him. But the Texans decided he wasn't worth the following years 1st, or whatever it would have taken to move up.

Same thing happened here. I don't think their first pick was there. We know they had a discussion on whether to make the trade or not, then about who they'd pick if they did.

It's the hand they were dealt & they decided to make the trade & get Watson.

Whether he was first on their board or not is irrelevant. At the time the decision had to be made, they said yes, & they picked Watson.

Now it's on O"Brien to figure out if we've got Kyle Bowler, or Joe Flacco.
 
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thunderkyss said:
The draft is a crapshoot. Nobody really knows who will be taken where. They may have a good idea, but I bet there were 31 teams that were surprised as heck when Chicago traded up to get Trubisky.

So you can't say we're going to get this guy, that guy, then this guy... You have to wait & see what's what, & who's left.


Now it's on O"Brown to figure out if we've got Kyle Bowler, or Joe Flacco.
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I think the question is more like did we get Young or Kaepernick, Mariotta or Gabbert
 
Insideop said:
Thorn, are you implying that all those who rail against Rick Smith and think he's a bad GM are just windbags blowing hot air? You really don't think we have anyone like that around here, do you? :shades:
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Well, if you include me in that, I would have to say yes. But, you see, Rick Smith really is a bad GM, so even if I am a windbag, I'm still correct. :D
 
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