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2017 Texans Free Agents/Salary Cap Situation: Where do we stand?

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Obviously our highest priority free agent is AJ Bouye who stands to make a lot of money this offseason.

We also have to find a way to re-sign Hopkins to a long term deal.

Where are we at in terms of cap space? Wilfork's contract is expiring and looks like he's retiring. We can slide Reader into his spot and save $ adding another rookie for depth.

Possible cap casualties? Cushing stands out with his high dollar contract and Mckinney seeming to take his title as top ILB on a rookie contract.

Do we sacrifice Jo Jo or Kareem to get Bouye a long term deal before he hits free agency?

Contracts in need of restructuring:

Possibly put Jo Jo and Kareem in this category as well.

Obviously we didn't get our money's worth with Jeff Allen and Osweiller. We would not save much by cutting them outright and not sure how likely we can restructure them to a more team-friendly deal. They'll probably just play on the same contract and if they still are underperforming be cut outright the following season when it's more economically feasible.

Other than re-signing Bouye and extending Hopkins. Is there any wiggle room for us to go out and sign an impact free agent? Any stellar Olinemen available?
 
I'm not too interested in signing Bouye depending on the money. I mean he did play well this season but .... I've never seen a guy with so many defensive pass interference plays, both the ones he was flagged for and the ones he wasn't. If he wants a large amount of money I'd let him walk.

Kareem needs to move to safety. We've been horrible at trying to get a safety in the draft, the best ones the Texans have are a converted CB (Hal) and a FA (Demps)
 
From what I can tell we are going to have about $25M in cap space. These are our FA's...

Oday Aboushi (OG)
A.J. Bouye (CB)
Quintin Demps (S)
Akeem Dent (LB)
Ryan Griffin (TE)
Jonathan Grimes (RB)
Akeem Hunt (RB) [*ERFA]
Don Jones (S)
Shane Lechler (P)
Nick Novak (K)
David Quessenberry (OG)
John Simon (LB)
Antonio Smith (DL)
Devon Still (DL)
Vince Wilfork (DL)
 
Brandon420tx said:
I'm not too interested in signing Bouye depending on the money. I mean he did play well this season but .... I've never seen a guy with so many defensive pass interference plays, both the ones he was flagged for and the ones he wasn't. If he wants a large amount of money I'd let him walk.

Kareem needs to move to safety. We've been horrible at trying to get a safety in the draft, the best ones the Texans have are a converted CB (Hal) and a FA (Demps)
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I think it's going to take $7-8M a year minimum to retain him. As far as I can tell he's the #3 CB on the market behind Stephon Gilmore and Trumaine Johnson. Somebody is going to offer him money.
 
Keep Bouy, Demps, Hunt, Simon and the special teams guys. Draft two offensive lineman and a qb with the first 3 picks. Later in the draft maybe get a big safety who can move to linebacker to help cover on passing downs. Hope Brock retires and get ready for next year.
 
Lechler will probably retire and maybe Wilfork. Still won't be resigned and Novak may lose the job

Smith wont be back, hopefully Demps loses his job and Dent and Aboushi will be cheap or gone. They'll probably restructure Cushing unless they convince him to retire. The team will be ok
 
Brandon420tx said:
I'm not too interested in signing Bouye depending on the money. I mean he did play well this season but .... I've never seen a guy with so many defensive pass interference plays, both the ones he was flagged for and the ones he wasn't. If he wants a large amount of money I'd let him walk.

Kareem needs to move to safety. We've been horrible at trying to get a safety in the draft, the best ones the Texans have are a converted CB (Hal) and a FA (Demps)
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From comments I've read and/or heard on TV, there's been a rule change that has allowed more contact.by a defensive back. Bouye has taken full advantage of this. So many of the IP's that you may have thought occurred, actually may have been OK under the new rules.
 
Somebody wise me up about Osweiler. As I look at it, if we keep him we pay him and he's wasted space. If we cut him we pay him but we gain a slot to use on a helpful player of some kind. So--why not cut him? We lose the money either way. why is this wrong?
 
TripleTap said:
Somebody wise me up about Osweiler. As I look at it, if we keep him we pay him and he's wasted space. If we cut him we pay him but we gain a slot to use on a helpful player of some kind. So--why not cut him? We lose the money either way. why is this wrong?
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According to Over The Cap's Salary Cap Calculator: http://overthecap.com/calculator/houston-texans we are currently $25 mil under the cap, but if we cut Brock now, we will only be $19 mil under the cap. So, that's the penalty for cutting Brock now according to that site.
 
Admit your mistake, take the Osweiler hit and get it over with. As was said elsewhere he is a negative impact by taking up a roster spot. You only get 46 active players, it makes no sense tie a hitch to Oz just because he's expensive.
 
Scooter said:
Admit your mistake, take the Osweiler hit and get it over with. As was said elsewhere he is a negative impact by taking up a roster spot. You only get 46 active players, it makes no sense tie a hitch to Oz just because he's expensive.
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I agree with this, but wouldn't it be better to designate him a post June 1st cut?
 
We are pretty much guaranteed to have Os on the roster next year, even if he's inactive for games.

Draft a rookie early and let Savage, Weeden, and Os battle it out for starter. If the rook shows promise, put him in midseason. If not, draft another next year, dump Os and Savage (keep him if his contract is team friendly), bring in a quality vet if possible, and repeat the process.

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According to Over The Cap's Salary Cap Calculator: http://overthecap.com/calculator/houston-texans we are currently $25 mil under the cap, but if we cut Brock now, we will only be $19 mil under the cap. So, that's the penalty for cutting Brock now according to that site.
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I can't remember a time that 6 mil was better spent. Dump him, his subtraction off roster is instant team improvement


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This is off the top of my head, so I definitely could be wrong. But I think it's higher because of future years on his contract. Say his salary is 19 mil this year but Texans must spend a portion of future years salary. Initial hit is harder ( first year ) but future years are much lower or even 0 against the cap.


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Possibly the one link in our defense which might need addressing is an ILB who can cover RB's and TE's. The Pats exposed this with two TD passes to the RB.

Akeem Dent did not play. He also is an UFA. When healthy, is he adequate for the coming year (if we focus on the OL) and do we resign him? Or do we need to go after someone else?
 
if I recall correctly all the guaranteed money for Os will be paid this year. so either way (cut him or keep him) we are going to spend those money.

my question is:

if we keep him as a backup, do we need to pay him more money? like "active bonusses" or crap like that?
and how much will that be?

if that's a lot of money, could we cut him and use those money to get a better backup?

if keeping him costs the same as cutting him I am fine with keeping him as the backup. why bother cutting him to spend even more money on a backup which will be a crappy QB ?

unless you expect the Texans to suddently get 2 good QBs so if the starter gets injuried we still have a good backup QB to carry the team into the playoffs (lol)
 
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Sigma said:
if I recall correctly all the guaranteed money for Os will be paid this year. so either way (cut him or keep him) we are going to spend those money.

my question is:

if we keep him as a backup, do we need to pay him more money? like "active bonusses" or crap like that?
and how much will that be?

if that's a lot of money, could we cut him and use those money to get a better backup?

if we keeping him costs the same as cutting him I am fine with keeping him as the backup. why bother cutting him to spend even more money on a backup which will be a crappy QB ?

unless you expect the Texans to suddently get 2 good QBs so if the starter gets injuried we still have a good backup QB to carry the team into the playoffs (lol)
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I prefer cutting Os so he isn't a distraction to the team. I'm good with Savage, Weeden and a draft pick going forward.
 
DocBar said:
I prefer cutting Os so he isn't a distraction to the team. I'm good with Savage, Weeden and a draft pick going forward.
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yes I know many would like to cut him no matter the cost.

I just would like to know what the cost would be :)

I'm not sure how to read the table posted above. to me it seems that Os will get 19M next year no matter if he plays or not. the only difference being that if we cut him we need to pay him 7M more now, if we keep him we need to pay him those 7M next year when we cut him.

weeden has no guaranteed money left on his contract so cutting him won't lose us any money, but he has a very low salary anyways.

savage does have some guaranteed left, but it's peanuts.


so I guess it all comes down to how much do we need those extra 7M this year.

if we need them, keep Os as third QB behind savage and Lechler
if we don't REALLY need those 7M, I'm all for cutting him and move on.

EDIT: I meant 6M not 7M (in addition to the 19M this year)
19+6 = 25
 
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We wont cut Osweiler next year it will cost 6 million on top of his already guaranteed 19 million. That wont happen when we only have 25 million Cap Space which we will need for free agents (Bouye, Simon, e.t.c) and next years draft picks.

One guaranteed addition to our cap space will be cutting Bergstrom which shall free up almost 3 million in cap space. I'd probably cut Kareem Jackson Post June 1st as that will save almost 7 million in cap space. I'd also cut Chris Clark or Derek Newton which shall free up another 3 million.

We aren't in a great position next year in terms of Cap Space and with Hopkins contract needing renewal I think we are inevitably going to see some players we don't want to leave.
 
Sigma said:
yes I know many would like to cut him no matter the cost.

I just would like to know what the cost would be :)

I'm not sure how to read the table posted above. to me it seems that Os will get 19M next year no matter if he plays or not. the only difference being that if we cut him we need to pay him 7M more now, if we keep him we need to pay him those 7M next year when we cut him.

weeden has no guaranteed money left on his contract so cutting him won't lose us any money, but he has a very low salary anyways.

savage does have some guaranteed left, but it's peanuts.


so I guess it all comes down to how much do we need those extra 7M this year.

if we need them, keep Os as third QB behind savage and Lechler
if we don't REALLY need those 7M, I'm all for cutting him and move on.
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$25 million
 
TexCas said:
We wont cut Osweiler next year it will cost 6 million on top of his already guaranteed 19 million. That wont happen when we only have 25 million Cap Space which we will need for free agents (Bouye, Simon, e.t.c) and next years draft picks.

One guaranteed addition to our cap space will be cutting Bergstrom which shall free up almost 3 million in cap space. I'd probably cut Kareem Jackson Post June 1st as that will save almost 7 million in cap space. I'd also cut Chris Clark or Derek Newton which shall free up another 3 million.

We aren't in a great position next year in terms of Cap Space and with Hopkins contract needing renewal I think we are inevitably going to see some players we don't want to leave.
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I'd be drafting Cushing's replacement in the draft and saying good bye to him, JJo and a few others to clear up cap space.
 
DocBar said:
$25 million
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the number I wanted is 6M
which is the difference between keeping or cutting him

sometimes players get a bonus for each game they play, I don't know if Os has any kind of bonus like that. from the site you link it doesn't seem there is any, but I'm not sure I'm reading it right
 
Sigma said:
the number I wanted is 6M
which is the difference between keeping or cutting him

sometimes players get a bonus for each game they play, I don't know if Os has any kind of bonus like that. from the site you link it doesn't seem there is any, but I'm not sure I'm reading it right
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I wouldn't quibble over $6M if it means getting passed this fiasco.
 
DocBar said:
I wouldn't quibble over $6M if it means getting passed this fiasco.
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honestly I have no idea how much 6M could change to be honest.

but it looks like we are going to pay those 6M regardless if we cut him or not, the difference is just that we will pay those next year if we keep him.

if there were any roster bonus or stuff like that I would definitely cut him. no way I would want to pay him to be part of the team.
give him the guaranteed and the boot.

even better, opt to keep him and make him so miserable that he opts out of his contract, if that's even possible.

not that I would expect that to happen :D
 
Sigma said:
honestly I have no idea how much 6M could change to be honest.

but it looks like we are going to pay those 6M regardless if we cut him or not, the difference is just that we will pay those next year if we keep him.

if there were any roster bonus or stuff like that I would definitely cut him. no way I would want to pay him to be part of the team.
give him the guaranteed and the boot.

even better, opt to keep him and make him so miserable that he opts out of his contract, if that's even possible.

not that I would expect that to happen :D
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The difference in doing it the following season is that the dead money is $6m whilst saving ~$20m.

You actually free up more cap space the following year by doing it now though.

Horrific contract to be stuck with but at the time it was a good deal because we could get out after 2 and nobody foresaw that he'd be so bad that we'd be desperate to get out after 1.

I mean FitzPatrick made everyone long for Schaub, Hoyer/Mallet made everyone long for Fitz, and Os made Hoyer look good by comparison.

I think we need to see next season as a semi-rebuild. That is we need to rebuild our Oline, hope we can rely on the running game, and hope to keep this D together moving forward.

If we can do that this off-season then we can hope to see an improved regular season record, probably similar results come the playoffs, and be in position to give the next guy at QB themail best possible chance of success starting the following year.

You hope at that point that things fall into place and the cap $ saved allow us to tie up or priority FAs, of which we'll have a few next off season.

Theres a little glimmer of hope in me that though next year may once again not be pretty, there is a chance to turn this cluster **** of a QB situation into something that can set us up to go for it all at some point in the near future. Hopefully.
 
welsh texan said:
The difference in doing it the following season is that the dead money is $6m whilst saving ~$20m.

You actually free up more cap space the following year by doing it now though.

Horrific contract to be stuck with but at the time it was a good deal because we could get out after 2 and nobody foresaw that he'd be so bad that we'd be desperate to get out after 1.

I mean FitzPatrick made everyone long for Schaub, Hoyer/Mallet made everyone long for Fitz, and Os made Hoyer look good by comparison.

I think we need to see next season as a semi-rebuild. That is we need to rebuild our Oline, hope we can rely on the running game, and hope to keep this D together moving forward.

If we can do that this off-season then we can hope to see an improved regular season record, probably similar results come the playoffs, and be in position to give the next guy at QB themail best possible chance of success starting the following year.

You hope at that point that things fall into place and the cap $ saved allow us to tie up or priority FAs, of which we'll have a few next off season.

Theres a little glimmer of hope in me that though next year may once again not be pretty, there is a chance to turn this cluster **** of a QB situation into something that can set us up to go for it all at some point in the near future. Hopefully.
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Isn't that why teams do the post June 1 cuts? To move a portion of the dead money to the next season? I'm far from a cap expert and honestly don't care how much it costs to be rid of him. It's going to suck listening to broadcaster's talking about the fiasco of Os, but not as much as it will suck if he's on the sidelines getting zoomed in on at the time.
For the record, I'm against trading for Jimmy G.
 
welsh texan said:
The difference in doing it the following season is that the dead money is $6m whilst saving ~$20m.

You actually free up more cap space the following year by doing it now though.

Horrific contract to be stuck with but at the time it was a good deal because we could get out after 2 and nobody foresaw that he'd be so bad that we'd be desperate to get out after 1.

I mean FitzPatrick made everyone long for Schaub, Hoyer/Mallet made everyone long for Fitz, and Os made Hoyer look good by comparison.

I think we need to see next season as a semi-rebuild. That is we need to rebuild our Oline, hope we can rely on the running game, and hope to keep this D together moving forward.

If we can do that this off-season then we can hope to see an improved regular season record, probably similar results come the playoffs, and be in position to give the next guy at QB themail best possible chance of success starting the following year.

You hope at that point that things fall into place and the cap $ saved allow us to tie up or priority FAs, of which we'll have a few next off season.

Theres a little glimmer of hope in me that though next year may once again not be pretty, there is a chance to turn this cluster **** of a QB situation into something that can set us up to go for it all at some point in the near future. Hopefully.
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On the left we should be solid with Brown and Sua-Filo. Martin should be our starting center and if he can't displace Mancz then that will be a disappointment. If he can then RG/RT is the side we're working on and if we can draft one of those (preferably RT) then maybe our RG situation will stabilize. I can't imagine Jeff Allen is proud of the shitstorm his 2016 season was and even if we've seen the best he can do Aboushi isn't garbage. If he's the only JAG we have on the line we're not in as bad a shape as many.
 
Hervoyel said:
On the left we should be solid with Brown and Sua-Filo. Martin should be our starting center and if he can't displace Mancz then that will be a disappointment. If he can then RG/RT is the side we're working on and if we can draft one of those (preferably RT) then maybe our RG situation will stabilize. I can't imagine Jeff Allen is proud of the shitstorm his 2016 season was and even if we've seen the best he can do Aboushi isn't garbage. If he's the only JAG we have on the line we're not in as bad a shape as many.
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I was just looking at the situation at OG. Just a quick look shows Allen at 6'-4" and 306 lbs. Mancz is listed as 6'-4" and 311 lbs. I don't know what size OB wants for the guard position (X shown as 6'-4"/320 lbs), but Mancz could slide over and replace Allen. This would possibly leave only RT as a critical upgrade. Unfortunately we wouldn't know how this would work until training camp.

Mancz has graded out very high this past year. He and DB were the only bright spots on the OL.
 
Brock second year development in O'Brian system is worth 6 million hit, if after that & it doesn't unfold in positive terms he can be released from his contract adding value to salary cap room.
 
Time 2 go younger at cb I like them but it's going to happen sooner or later were jjoe and Jackson are not on this team

Arecthere best days behind them ....???? That's the question
 
Was talking to a friend of mine earlier who is a Bears fan and he was asking me about Bouye. He said the Bears are interested in signing Bouye, I Googled it but didn't find anything. Take it FWIW.
 
Scooter said:
Admit your mistake, take the Osweiler hit and get it over with. As was said elsewhere he is a negative impact by taking up a roster spot. You only get 46 active players, it makes no sense tie a hitch to Oz just because he's expensive.
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DocBar said:
I agree with this, but wouldn't it be better to designate him a post June 1st cut?
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I agree with Scooter and the Jimmy Johnson principle of admit your mistakes and move on, DO NOT let them linger.

I disagree with a June 1 cut. Odds are in favor that O'Brien will not be the Texans head coach after 2017. Why saddle a new head coach with Osweiler dead money in 2018. Take all of your medicine in 2017 and move on.

That said, I highly doubt that Bob McNair has the intestinal fortitude to admit that he made such a colossal expensive mistake. Therefore I expect Osweiler to be a Texan in 2017, if not the starter.

Sadly if O'Brien is done after 2017 which I suspect will be the case, that makes the 2017 NFL Draft an exercise in futility. A head coach drafting players in 2017 who will most likely not fit the new system that will be in place in 2018. Texans way of doing business, the Cogen Boardroom SNAFU or FUBAR.
 
Texian said:
I agree with Scooter and the Jimmy Johnson principle of admit your mistakes and move on, DO NOT let them linger.

I disagree with a June 1 cut. Odds are in favor that O'Brien will not be the Texans head coach after 2017. Why saddle a new head coach with Osweiler dead money in 2018. Take all of your medicine in 2017 and move on.

That said, I highly doubt that Bob McNair has the intestinal fortitude to admit that he made such a colossal expensive mistake. Therefore I expect Osweiler to be a Texan in 2017, if not the starter.

Sadly if O'Brien is done after 2017 which I suspect will be the case, that makes the 2017 NFL Draft an exercise in futility. A head coach drafting players in 2017 who will most likely not fit the new system that will be in place in 2018. Texans way of doing business, the Cogen Boardroom SNAFU or FUBAR.
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Why do you expect bob to go after next season?
 
What's the deal with Jeff Allen. Here we are moaning about poor OL performance. But the team obviously thinks the same - and went out and got a premium UFA.

Allen was a high draft pick - 2/44 - at the end of his rookie contract. We give him an really nice contract to come to Houston. He should be in the prime of his career giving us quality performance. And he's not.

Why?

It seems to me that the organization really made the effort to get us quality lineman. Is it complacency, becoming a millionaire and being set for life? Is he just not that good? How did he perform in KC? Has he been hurt? What are the chances we see improved play next year?

Opinions, anyone?
 
Number19 said:
What's the deal with Jeff Allen. Here we are moaning about poor OL performance. But the team obviously thinks the same - and went out and got a premium UFA.

Allen was a high draft pick - 2/44 - at the end of his rookie contract. We give him an really nice contract to come to Houston. He should be in the prime of his career giving us quality performance. And he's not.

Why?

It seems to me that the organization really made the effort to get us quality lineman. Is it complacency, becoming a millionaire and being set for life? Is he just not that good? How did he perform in KC? Has he been hurt? What are the chances we see improved play next year?

Opinions, anyone?
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Guys on 610 were talking about him a couple of weeks ago and 3 rings talked about him getting a concussion early in the season and not being the same since.
 
WolverineFan said:
From what I can tell we are going to have about $25M in cap space. These are our FA's...

Oday Aboushi (OG)
A.J. Bouye (CB)
Quintin Demps (S)
Akeem Dent (LB)
Ryan Griffin (TE)
Jonathan Grimes (RB)
Akeem Hunt (RB) [*ERFA]
Don Jones (S)
Shane Lechler (P)
Nick Novak (K)
David Quessenberry (OG)
John Simon (LB)
Antonio Smith (DL)
Devon Still (DL)
Vince Wilfork (DL)
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I'd re-sign Aboushi, Hunt, and Simon.

I'd test Griffin, Novak, Lechler and Bouye. I'd re-sign Griffin if he is cheap, but I wouldn't re-sign Bouye unless he's paid way less than I think he'll be offered ($8-11M per year).

I'd look at the rest for fill-ins at near minimum.

That leaves us with 5 contracts when you factor in a punter and kicker. I think Aboushi will probably sign for about what Bergstrom signed for, around $3M per year. Simon could actually be offered a pretty decent contract and might not make sense for us to re-sign given that he wouldn't be a starter. Let's assume that we can re-sign him for $3M per year. Punter is going to cost us between $1-2M, depending on if we draft one. We have another kicker on roster that is not Novak, so I won't factor in another kicker being signed.

To cuts:

I'd cut Jonathan Joseph and save $6.5M.

I'd cut Derek Newton and save $3.25M.

I'd cut Tony Bergstrom and save us $2.875M

I'd cut Weeden and save $2.15M or cut Brock and lose $6M.

I don't see us cutting Cushing. He saves us $5.5M or $6.75M if we cut him after June 1, but it would be difficult to replace him with that and feel good about whatever contract we give up. I'd have to see who was available.

Given that we are cutting Newton, I'd keep Clark around. I'd also keep Duane Brown around unless there is a quality FA to acquire long-term. Cutting Brown would save $9.65M, so cutting him would give us ample room to sign a FA LT or even RT, if there are any available.

That leaves us with about $32M if we keep Brock and cut Weeden. If we cut Brock and keep Weeden, that leaves us with about $24M.

That leaves us the following needs:

Starting or nickel-level CB
Starting/Backup QB
Starting RT
Starting/Backup RG
Backup LT
Backup coverage LB
Starting S
Starting/Backup DL
Backup TE

I don't think we will be going after a QB in FA. OL needs might be better filled via draft, unless there is a good candidate to start right away at LT or RT, in which I'd probably cut Brown. I'd love to sign a safety, if available.
 
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How Much Will It Cost for A.J Bouye to Stay With the Houston Texans
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A.J. Bouye wants back to Houston and Bill O'Brien wants him back with the Houston Texans. Plus potential deal needed to keep him in Houston.

The Houston Texans are going into the off season with one top end unrestricted free agent who they need to bring back: A.J. Bouye With the league changing, having 4 or more cornerbacks on the roster is a necessity in this day. Bouye has been an interesting asset to the Texans. Originally undrafted out of UCF, battling injuries and up and down play, Bouye was able to put together an impressive 2016 season for the defense.

Playing in spots at outside cornerback, dime linebacker, and safety this season, Bouye made himself one of the intriguing options for the Texans defense moving forward.

“I’ve been through a lot here with the organization, a lot of ups and downs,” Bouye said of his four years with the Texans. “But they never gave up on me. I’m appreciative of that. Me and the DBs especially were very close. Like I said the day before, I just would like to be back. We’ll see what happens, though.”

Bill O’Brien knows what is in store with the free agency process concerning Bouye.

“Free agency is tough and I can tell you that we want A.J. Bouye back. He’s one of us, you know what I mean?” O’Brien said in his final press conference for the season. “We really want him back and hopefully we can get something done where he can be back, but it’s tough. These decisions are personal decisions, but all of them are tough on both sides, but we would love to have A.J. back.”

Bouye bought into the coaching of defensive back coach John Butler and did what Romeo Crennel asked him to do in the defense. He learned a lot about himself and is convinced he showed the team what he can do and knows he is worth a bigger deal in Houston.

“That I could play. That’s the main thing,” Bouye said of what he proved in 2016. “That I’m also a team player, that I’m a hard worker. Main thing was just to play as many games this season as I can even though I missed like one. Just like I said, just wanted to prove to everybody that I could play. That was the main thing.”

Where does Bouye’s potential contract appear to be headed? Texans Cap gave us a quick insight on where his contract could fall.

The Projection….

"This contract is probably on the low end of what A.J. Bouye would receive but should provide an idea of where the market may value him…….."

"The agreement between the two parties is a 4-year contract worth $46,000,000 with $22,500,000 fully guaranteed upon signing. In other words, 49% of the contract would be guaranteed upfront. The initial guarantee includes a $12,000,000 signing bonus and $10,500,000 in guaranteed salary in the first two years."

(READ THE ENTIRE ARTICLE HERE) http://texanscap.com/2017/01/16/a-j-bouye-contract-projection/

Bouye showed that he was one of the top defenders for the Texans in 2016, appearing in 15 games with 63 total tackles, 1 sacks, 16 pass deflections, and one interception. In the playoffs, Bouye had 7 total tackles and 6 pass deflections with 2 interceptions, plus a forced fumble.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Yeah, he's not worth that. I really hope we don't do that deal.
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Depends on cutting Joseph and/or Jackson. The 3rd Cb is really a starter and some games the 4th is on the field more that fat NT starter. I would be surprised all the four current top CBs (bouye, joseph, johnson jackson) are all here, but I would think and bet quite a bit that 3 of them are.
 
Sign him. This is our big FA signing this year.

We have three primary goals going into the off season: QB, OL and keep our defense as intact as possible.

We go with Savage and Weeden, already under contract; we draft OL; we use our available cap money to sign our own defensive FA's and kickers.
 
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I think Bouye is worth it. It will sting, but you gotta keep the players that pan out. These guys are rolling craps on draft days and how long would it be before there is the same quality player to replace him?

There are plenty more places to trim the fat before you get stingy with a quality player. He was our best defensive back this last year. Move JJo to FS. Start Kareem and AJ outside, and draft a SS and maybe overtake Denver as best pass defense, while adding Watt?

I wouldn't mess with the defensive chemistry.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Depends on cutting Joseph and/or Jackson. The 3rd Cb is really a starter and some games the 4th is on the field more that fat NT starter. I would be surprised all the four current top CBs (bouye, joseph, johnson jackson) are all here, but I would think and bet quite a bit that 3 of them are.
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If it's between signing Bouye or keeping Joseph for one more season, I am keeping Joseph. Bouye will get worked as a full-time starter next year. Pats keyed in on him this past Saturday after Bouye's honeymoon period ended in the regular season. He showed he's a grabber and his downfield coverage, if not grabbing, is poor.

To do this deal would scream making a move just to make a move. Let him go and get the comp pick, use that pick on a CB that can play nickel either in 2017 or 2018.

This is the kind of signing that sets the team back. They can sign a CB this FA period if he's worth it, but Bouye is not that guy. This has Derek Newton written all over it.

Uncle Rico said:
I think Bouye is worth it. It will sting, but you gotta keep the players that pan out. These guys are rolling craps on draft days and how long would it be before there is the same quality player to replace him?

There are plenty more places to trim the fat before you get stingy with a quality player. He was our best defensive back this last year. Move JJo to FS. Start Kareem and AJ outside, and draft a SS and maybe overtake Denver as best pass defense, while adding Watt?

I wouldn't mess with the defensive chemistry.
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JJo can't withstand a season at FS. If anything, moving Jackson to FS makes more sense.
 
Number19 said:
Possibly the one link in our defense which might need addressing is an ILB who can cover RB's and TE's. The Pats exposed this with two TD passes to the RB.

Akeem Dent did not play. He also is an UFA. When healthy, is he adequate for the coming year (if we focus on the OL) and do we resign him? Or do we need to go after someone else?
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Pepper's? He would solve 3 issues at once. Return man, safety and Nicole lb to cover TEs and RBs.
 
Look at this table:

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Anything jumping out at you? Look at the penalties per snap. He got away with a ton as well, he won't be so lucky in the future.

Letting Bouye go is actually beneficial not only in that we don't get locked into a horrible contract, but we'll get a nice comp pick. The opportunity here is in letting him walk.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Look at this table:

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Anything jumping out at you? Look at the penalties per snap. He got away with a ton as well, he won't be so lucky in the future.

Letting Bouye go is actually beneficial not only in that we don't get locked into a horrible contract, but we'll get a nice comp pick. The opportunity here is in letting him walk.
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Look at the table. It covers a 3 year span, 2014 - 2016. Bouye was an UDFA. He was coached up. It's acknowledged that this year he emerged into the upper echelon.
 
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