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It's official: O'Brien is gone!

bigmck

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76Texan

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I don't think it will happen in the OB case, but how often have you heard an Owner say "Our coach is doing a find job and look forward to next year", then the coach is fired the next week. An endorsement is usually the path to firing.
True. Happens all the time.
 
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76Texan

Hall of Fame
Ask yourself this; "Is Rick Smith still the GM?". If the answer to that is "yes", then what ******* difference will a new head coach make?
Get a coach with some balls.

When Belichick got to Foxboro, he had the gut to play Brady over Bledsoe even when Bledsoe come back healthy.
 

PapaL

Loose Screw
What "guts"? They were winning. You don't screw with success.
But don't take my word for it, just ask this year's Cowboys.
Takes some balls to bench your $72M QB and start the oft injured backup too.

Aside from play calling, I have no issues w OBrien. Our team is tough and usually hangs with most teams...until the offense shits the bed that is; ref play calling.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
What "guts"? They were winning. You don't screw with success.
But don't take my word for it, just ask this year's Cowboys.
By all standards, Bledsoe was a success at the time of his injury.
Pro Bowler in his third year.
Led the team to the SB in his fourth.
Youngest QB to reach 10K yard.
30K yard and 136 TDs.
Belichick was his third HC, and he was under his 4th OC.

In case of Osweiler; he's not anywhere near success. It's just his contract.
 

GoCoogs

Waterboy
By all standards, Bledsoe was a success at the time of his injury.
Pro Bowler in his third year.
Led the team to the SB in his fourth.
Youngest QB to reach 10K yard.
30K yard and 136 TDs.
Belichick was his third HC, and he was under his 4th OC.

In case of Osweiler; he's not anywhere near success. It's just his contract.
You think Tom Savage is the next Tom Brady?
 

Texansphan

Football connoisseur
Takes some balls to bench your $72M QB and start the oft injured backup too.

Aside from play calling, I have no issues w OBrien. Our team is tough and usually hangs with most teams...until the offense shits the bed that is; ref play calling.
Precisely.
No sane owner is going to fire a successful coach winning despite struggling to find an answer at the most important position on the team.
O'Brien is tough, but the team seems to like him and these factors seem to be working with three out of three winning seasons and improving one more game each year.
IF Osweiler keeps improving, next season could be quite interesting - get him another weapon in the backfield and an improved passing game + running game will make this team very dangerous next season.
 

infantrycak

Hall of Fame
By all standards, Bledsoe was a success at the time of his injury.
Pro Bowler in his third year.
Led the team to the SB in his fourth.
Youngest QB to reach 10K yard.
30K yard and 136 TDs.
Belichick was his third HC, and he was under his 4th OC.

In case of Osweiler; he's not anywhere near success. It's just his contract.
Horse crap stats from a long time before the decision was made. Bledsoe was a sub 80 rating QB for years before he went down. Belichick was not Wiley Coyote on that move.
 

Marcus

Windmill cancer survivor
Contributor's Club
You think Tom Savage is the next Tom Brady?
I would like to think so, if he could manage to stay on his feet long enough to get enough experience for me to find out. But now, I don't think that's ever gong to happen.

I happen to like durable QBs, and that's a quality of Osweiler that I can't ignore.
 

Lucky

Ride, Captain, Ride!
Staff member
I happen to like durable QBs, and that's a quality of Osweiler that I can't ignore.
And he's undefeated in playoff game starts. Unfortunately, the MVP voters can't take postseason accomplishments into consideration.
 

thunderkyss

Just win baby!!!
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Precisely.
No sane owner is going to fire a successful coach winning despite struggling to find an answer at the most important position on the team.
The thing to remember here is the "mutual parting of ways" that usually means the employee is not happy, wants to leave, & management isn't thrilled and would allow employee to leave.

It's not that McNair was going to fire O'Brien. It's that O'Brien wanted to leave & McNair wasn't going to force him to stay.

I would like to think so, if he could manage to stay on his feet long enough to get enough experience for me to find out. But now, I don't think that's ever gong to happen.

I happen to like durable QBs, and that's a quality of Osweiler that I can't ignore.
Savage looked more fluent in the offense. He looked more in sync with the receivers. He looked like he was already on the anticipation stage, where Osweiler is still in the WTF open stage.

But Savage was still in the learning stage.

I don't see him giving us a better chance to win & he made some of the same bone headed, should have been picked off throws. Yeah, he needs more playing time to see what he can be. After which he may be a much better option. But as is, there's very little difference between the two except Osweiler appears to be a tank by comparison.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
Horse crap stats from a long time before the decision was made. Bledsoe was a sub 80 rating QB for years before he went down. Belichick was not Wiley Coyote on that move.
Nobody said about Wiley Coyote.
Brady wasn't exactly killing it.
He had a top ten rushing game (between yards and scoring) and a defense that was 6th in points allowed.

The point is Brady was still a young and unproven QB with just 10 games under his belt while Bledsoe just re-upped for a 10-yr contract earlier that year.
 

Texansphan

Football connoisseur
The thing to remember here is the "mutual parting of ways" that usually means the employee is not happy, wants to leave, & management isn't thrilled and would allow employee to leave.

It's not that McNair was going to fire O'Brien. It's that O'Brien wanted to leave & McNair wasn't going to force him to stay.
Bill has a 5 year contract and is owed $10m next year.
No sane person will walk away from that and a winning formula.
I would fancy if there is disharmony between Rick and Bill, there could be some pressure on Rick...
 

thunderkyss

Just win baby!!!
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Bill has a 5 year contract and is owed $10m next year.
No sane person will walk away from that and a winning formula.
No, none of this makes sense. Sanity has nothing to do with this.


This is why there has been speculation about O'b getting consideration for the six current openings for HCs in the league. With a "mutual parting of ways" Bill can be excused of his contractual obligations & get another job.
 

CloakNNNdagger

Hall of Fame
Bill has a 5 year contract and is owed $10m next year.
No sane person will walk away from that and a winning formula.
I would fancy if there is disharmony between Rick and Bill, there could be some pressure on Rick...
Isn't the $10m figure for 2017 and 2018............$5m per year? Bellichick is get $8m per year, I believe.
 

Seegara

Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
The title was suspicious because no announcement would be made while we are involved in the playoffs.
Can you imagine the screaming that would have taken place if I had posted a scam title like this? And it would have been justified.
 
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TheRealJoker

Hall of Fame
I wish I could be a fly on the wall in the Texans' meeting rooms this week. These boys are gonna be ready to pay and we're missing out on some amazing motivational speeches by coach OB!
 
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humblegeo

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He's not going anywhere. Won the division 2 years in a row and now made it to the second round of the playoffs. No 0-30 performance by Hoyer this year. Mcnair wonders where these rumors come from, they come from the frustrated fans. We're going to the second round but our Offense this year has been pretty bad most of time with very little improvement from last season despite the new quarterback and all the new draft picks, thus the frustration by the fans. McNair knows that. Idiot!!
 

Seegara

Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
No, none of this makes sense. Sanity has nothing to do with this.


This is why there has been speculation about O'b getting consideration for the six current openings for HCs in the league. With a "mutual parting of ways" Bill can be excused of his contractual obligations & get another job.
And with a mutual parting of the ways the owner doesn't have to pay next year's salary. Bud Adams used it to get rid of coaches he didn't want. When Bum Phillips wouldn't play ball, Adams ran a public smear campaign against him.
 
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ObsiWan

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Nobody said about Wiley Coyote.
Brady wasn't exactly killing it.
He had a top ten rushing game (between yards and scoring) and a defense that was 6th in points allowed.

The point is Brady was still a young and unproven QB with just 10 games under his belt while Bledsoe just re-upped for a 10-yr contract earlier that year.
Bledsoe signed that deal in 2001. After seeing Brady run the offense after Bledsoe got hurt that year, the Pats promptly traded Bledsoe to the Bills the next year.
...for a draft pick.
 

thunderkyss

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I hope O'Brien has all his coaches calling all their players & telling them to tune in & watch this NYG vs GB game. It is clear that one of these teams want this more than the other.
 
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texanhead08

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It was never said that the Texans were unhappy with Obrien the word is Obrien isn't happy with the power structure with the Texans. It seems he thought he was going to have more power in terms to team personnel. If he leaves I say its because he has decided to resign not because he has been fired by the Texans.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
Bledsoe signed that deal in 2001. After seeing Brady run the offense after Bledsoe got hurt that year, the Pats promptly traded Bledsoe to the Bills the next year.
...for a draft pick.
We all know that.

The point is that it takes gut to bench a long time starter that just resigned a freaking ten-year contract just because he was hurt.

Don't forget that Bledsoe did come in for Brady in the Conference Championship game with 1:40 to go before the half with the Pats leading by just 4 (7-3).
The ball was at the Pitts 40, and they scored a TD before the half ended.
They won that game 24-17.
If Bledsoe had chit the bed, Brady wouldn't have that SB ring.

Also, don't forget that Bledsoe went on to the Pro Bowl the next year with the Bills.
 

Mr. White

Retired OLine Coach
Does nobody read PFT anymore? This article was up right after McNair's post-game vote of confidence.

Yes, Texans owner Bob McNair won’t be firing coach Bill O’Brien. But that doesn’t mean O’Brien will be coming back in 2017.

The chatter that emerged last week couched the potential divorce as the product of a mutual decision. Per multiple sources, the situation is much more about O’Brien not being happy with the Texans than the Texans not being happy with O’Brien.
 

Marcus

Windmill cancer survivor
Contributor's Club
I hope O'Brien has all his coaches calling all their players & telling them to tune in & watch this NYG vs GB game. It is clear that one of these teams want this more than the other.
Really? How so? I watched the entire game so I'm curious.
 

ObsiWan

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We all know that.

The point is that it takes gut to bench a long time starter that just resigned a freaking ten-year contract just because he was hurt.

Don't forget that Bledsoe did come in for Brady in the Conference Championship game with 1:40 to go before the half with the Pats leading by just 4 (7-3).
The ball was at the Pitts 40, and they scored a TD before the half ended.
They won that game 24-17.
If Bledsoe had chit the bed, Brady wouldn't have that SB ring.

Also, don't forget that Bledsoe went on to the Pro Bowl the next year with the Bills.
my reply wasn't to imply that Bledsoe sucked. He was a pretty decent QB. It was to point out that Belichick decided not only to roll with a younger, cheaper Tom Brady over Bledsoe for that season but to cut ties with him altogether and roll with Brady from 2002 forward. I don't think it was guts. It was business. Simply put, Belichick decided he could win with Brady and his 6th round QB contract instead of Bledsoe and his record-setting 10 year deal.
Not guts, pure business. :)
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
my reply wasn't to imply that Bledsoe sucked. He was a pretty decent QB. It was to point out that Belichick decided not only to roll with a younger, cheaper Tom Brady over Bledsoe for that season but to cut ties with him altogether and roll with Brady from 2002 forward. I don't think it was guts. It was business. Simply put, Belichick decided he could win with Brady and his 6th round QB contract instead of Bledsoe and his record-setting 10 year deal.
Not guts, pure business. :)
You're arguing for me, thank you.

Even as he was also a GM, 2001 was only his second year.

The move to keep rolling with Brady right after Bledsoe came back and again in the SB after Bledsoe had take his team there only shows more gut.

It could have cost him both job.

He believes in Brady.

Kubiak didn't believe in Osweiler enough so he rolled with Manning.

The Packers rolled with Favre the year they won the SB, delaying Rodgers' reign.

The two previous years, Favre' QB rating averaged 71.5

They could have justified it had they decided to go with Rodgers earlier, but they may not have won that SB.
Bledsoe was still playing at a higher level, so to bench him shows a whole lot more confidence in Brady early.
 

infantrycak

Hall of Fame
Kubiak didn't believe in Osweiler enough so he rolled with Manning.
Manning is in the discussion for GOAT. Everyone knew he was coming back at some point. In fact there was some controversy that week he didn't get the start but Kubiak said they were going to give him another week of rest. There was even some talk Manning was pissed about that. But Kubiak had the confidence to delay a week and give Oz the start. Then Oz threw 2 ints. Pissed off HoF QB on the bench - inevitable just came half a game earlier.
 

thunderkyss

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Really? How so? I watched the entire game so I'm curious.
There were a lot of 2nd & 3rd effort plays from the Packers, breaking tackles, same 2nd & 3rd effort on the defensive side, rallying to the ball. I didn't see as much effort from the Giants, I wouldn't say they quit, but the effort wasn't as consistent as what I saw from Green Bay.
 

jradMIT

Veteran
OB wants out, McNair doesn't fire coaches, all this media speculation,"leaks", is OB putting the word out for teams to know he could be available so that they don't move until his season is over. This is all about not having a qb, the notion of some sort of power struggle between him and Smith is a smokescreen, OB is extremely frustrated that his incredibly complicated offense can't be run by sub par QB's so he'd rather move to a team with a QB who could possibly do it.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
Manning is in the discussion for GOAT. Everyone knew he was coming back at some point. In fact there was some controversy that week he didn't get the start but Kubiak said they were going to give him another week of rest. There was even some talk Manning was pissed about that. But Kubiak had the confidence to delay a week and give Oz the start. Then Oz threw 2 ints. Pissed off HoF QB on the bench - inevitable just came half a game earlier.
Thank you, you're arguing for me also.
Manning was having a nightmare year with QB rating so low he deserved to benched by your book.
Yet, Kubiak wanted his experience in the play-offs rather than with Osweiler, who had a rating that was nearly 30% higher.
 

Double Barrel

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And with a mutual parting of the ways the owner doesn't have to pay next year's salary. Bud Adams used it to get rid of coaches he didn't want. When Bum Phillips wouldn't play ball, Adams ran a public smear campaign against him.
Bud Adams straight up fired Bum Phillips after three consecutive playoff seasons. I do not recall any kind of "smear campaign" by Adams, because everyone in Houston hated him by that point for firing Saint Bum.
 

Marcus

Windmill cancer survivor
Contributor's Club
Bill is using a power play to get more control or so the guys on 610 think so .
The "guys on 610" don't want to be anymore wrong than some of the folks on this board.

McNair shot down months of what turned out to be totally erroneous speculation here, and on the radio, and now everyone is covering their ass saying it was O'Brien all along that wasn't happy.

:dontknowa
 
Precisely.
No sane owner is going to fire a successful coach winning despite struggling to find an answer at the most important position on the team.
O'Brien is tough, but the team seems to like him and these factors seem to be working with three out of three winning seasons and improving one more game each year.
IF Osweiler keeps improving, next season could be quite interesting - get him another weapon in the backfield and an improved passing game + running game will make this team very dangerous next season.
9-7 all 3 years.
 

gafftop

All Pro
I think the question of who wanted Brock has been answered. McNair/Yes man Rick. I for one is not sold on Miller either. His speed seems to be gone. No big plays then Miller isn't all that much. Dancing to the hole and then down after one hit. I think BOB can't do any worse than Ricky has. Get rid of Rick.
 
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