MorKnolle
All Pro
I went to the message boards of the Jets, 49ers, Bills, and Cardinals a couple days ago to get their fan's opinions on the possibility of their team trading up to the #1 spot, and to see what players they are looking at getting. Just to give you guys an opinion on what they think, here's most of what I've found so far (I've bolded some interesting comments):
49ers Fans:
http://49ers.hosttown.com/index.php?showtopic=42280
Jets Fans:
http://nyjetsfan.com/forum2/index.php?showtopic=7251
49ers Fans:
http://49ers.hosttown.com/index.php?showtopic=42280
there's no real interest from the team trading up. it's pure speculation built around the HS teammate connection of A. Smitty and R.bush
Truth of the matter is, unless the texans were crazy enough to give up the #1 pick for just one player on the niner squad and not touch the #7 pick
the niners have no one that the texans would even view as being worthy of that #1 pick.
The niners, need players (plural for a reason) so going after the #1 pick doesn't help them at all. Much like the texans you don't have just one need and i tend to think the texans want Bush but don't want to upset the locals by not picking young so they are hoping someone else takes #1 and takes young
I am personally not for it, it would take to much to trade up.
i.e. 2 first rounders, probably a second and a third as well
I do not believe that the 49ers would give very much to trade up. It would have to be a hell of deal for them to do so.
considering the niners needs trading up to #1 makes no sense.
we know it's not for a QB
and if for some reason they wanted a 1st round RB the RB depth is enough in that if you don't take Bush, so what there's enough other RB's that will get the desired affect.
d'Brick would be nice but you don't have to have the #1 pick (imo) to get him.
NO. We'd rather trade down, there's no way we trade up to #1.
I agree never will trade up if that was the case the niner's should of lost on purpose like the texan's did
While no doubt this board will be flooded with young fans who will say "trade up, trade up" the reality of the situation is Nolan and crew have no need to trade up.
The 49ers do not need a QB, and do not really need a RB. With Bush, V Young, Leinart and possibly Jay Cutler all projected to be picked ahead of the #6/7 spot, the 49ers will almost near have the #1 choice of all non-QB non-RB players without needing to trade.
Good points.
IMO if Mario Williams or AJ hawk are not there at our pick were trading down; hell we might do it anyways regardless of who is there.
Agreed. Originally, if we had gotten the "Bush pick". I think I'd advise we take him. However, after watching more college games, he SB practices and game, reading about guys on the net, watching video. There are too many good young player in this draft to trade our first and probably at least 2 more first day picks either this year or next year. That's really gonna be three players. The Texans wouldn't want players off our roster. WE don't really even want players on our roster.
I can't see giving up what the Texans are gonna want. Kinda like last year when we had Smith, his value was lower but we weren't expecting as much so we couldn't trade down. Now, it appears that what the Texans would ask for in a trade is so high that no one will do it. Unless it's a semi-established team who thinks they are a Stud RB away from a Super Bowl. Say Minny, NE, Carolina. Or Indy (If James is gone). Purely Speculation though.
Like others have said, the chance of San Francisco trading up to the number one spot is pretty much slim to none.
There is no reason for them to give up so much to move to the top. Why, for Bush? If they want a back they could go DeAngelo Williams or White or someone else..no need to move up. Its defiantly not for a QB. So its really pointless for the Niners to trade up, especialy giving the asking price to make the jump.
I was even one to say when they had chance at getting number one pick that they should trade down if that happened. They still might trade down with the sixth or seventh pick.
that's the thing, gore did a good job so no need to get a #1 rb and as you mentioned theres DeAngelo so Bush isn't a must have so trading up for him is absurd.
vernon davis is another player that gets alot of hype on this board
In my opinion:
The Niners don't need to trade up. Niners already have good running backs with Barlow and Hicks backing up Gore - We already have our qb for next season and hopefully beyond.
Needs:
1) Finish OLine upgrade
2) Dominant pass rush on the end
3) Deep threat WR
4) Corner back
5) TE
6) Full Back
I don't think trading up would help the team shore these needs
Mor--after last year lots of 9er fans view the first pick as more of a liability than an asset. You guys have much better players on the board this year than we did last year, but I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that I am happy we don't have the first pick.
Mike Nolan and the FO have mentioned more than once their desire to have as many picks as possible. Trading up would not allow for that.
Nolan and co. have mentioned that they want to use a lot of draft picks. Trading up would both start to threaten the team with future cap issues (something that finally looks to be in the past), and require losing a couple of picks. Moreover, while Bush looks promising to many, the Niners have a solid corp of backs with Barlow, Gore and Hicks scheduled to be back next year, plus the possibility of drafting any number of rising college players in the draft (e.g., DeAngelo Williams, LenDale White, Joseph Addai, Jerome Harrison, Terrence Whitehead, etc.). There is a lot of depth at RB in the draft, and there will be some good/great RBs available in rounds 2-5, if the Niners go that direction.
I don't expect the team to trade up, and see no real benefit to doing so.
we definately do not trade up in this situation everybody who picks before us will be concentrating on takin QBs and RBs so hopefully when we get to pick at 6/7 we will have the option of hopefully a dbrickashaw ferguson AJ Hawk or vernon davis
i say we trade up and do what ever we can to get BUSH !!!!!!
david carr gets killed behind that o-line now there going to bring in a rookie running back i know reggie is a great runner but he better work on picking up blocking assingnments or car will keep getting killed.
the texans need d'brick more than any other team in the leauge. if they had an ounce of stability on that line they would be in the playoffs. they dont need bush or young. if the texans really want to win and win convincingly they need the BRICK anyone else will just sell tickets and jerseys they wont win games
The Brick got beat bad on one play in the Senior Bowl. He was great in practice but didn't do all that great in the game. I agree with you though, the Texans need OL help more than RB or QB.
The Brick will be a pro bowler and one time being beat does not a bad player make. He is awesome, and will be a great addition to any team, more so the Texans, whose line is sad to say the least.
The Texans should shop the pick. The 49ers are not one of the teams that will be interested. High price tag, and we need more players, not one.
I think the Texans are taking Bush or trading, not many great picks for them otherwise at #1.
if they had a brain they would pick da brick at 1 if they cant trade down
what good is bush when he has no oline he will be much more explosive with some blocking.
he would be the sickest running back in history if he ran behind the seahawks line.
JMO
he would only be "good" behind thier current line
Stick to your guns and take the Best player available.
By the way? Are you firing or enshrining Kris Brown?
The Niners should trade down unless AJ Hawk , D'brick, or a top flight DL is available. No way would we trade up.
We may go in many directions: Mario Williams (to replace the aging Bryant Young), AJ Hawk (to bolster our LB corps that will suffer at least 1 loss this offseason), Vernon Davis (the best offensive weapon not named Reggie Bush), DeAngelo Williams (whom Mike Nolan reportedly likes), trade down and get Michael Huff, Ferguson (yes, still a possibility), Haloti Ngata... etc etc.
Thats what I've been thinking. Especially if we go #7 Hawk and Williams will almost certainly be gone, unless Jay Culter slips in the top 6 going to either NO, TEN, NYJ, or maybe even the faiders, Hawk and Williams will most likely be off the board.
Some possible trading partners for us:
MIA-if Cutler is around, and if his he continues to skyrocket, MIA won't way till #16 to grab him
DET-if they decide Harrington is done for and want to ensure they will get him over MIA by
After that, it becomes iffy because the only guy left I could see some one trading up for is Cutler, and no other team picking after us is in dire need of a QB, barring Ferguson falling out of the top 6.
we can draft what we need from the 6/7th spot
I used to think that it would be worth it to trade up to get him. Now after realizing the talent pool at RB I actually think that DeAngelo Williams would be a better fit to the system we will be playing behind Norv Turner.
I would be a happy niner fan if any one of these guys are picked: AJ Hawk, Vernon Davis, DeAngelo Williams, or Mario Williams. I really like Vernon Davis and DeAngelo Williams as my favorites though.
Jets Fans:
http://nyjetsfan.com/forum2/index.php?showtopic=7251
I would absolutely NOT trade up and I can all but guarantee you that Terry Bradway won't either. With the #4 overall, the Jets will most likely take Ferguson & knowing our ******* GM Bradway, he'll also trade DE John Abraham to Oakland for the #6 in order to take Mario Williams.
I for one will attend the draft in order to smack Bradway upside his head if he trades away Abe for an unproven Williams who I predict will tear a knee ligament during his 1st or 2nd season & then TB can simply say "Who could have seen this happening?" in order to keep his job as Oakland bumps the Jets out of the playoffs once again in the 1st round that year.
But to get back on topic......in short.......hell no. The Jets do not trade up.
It would be a real steep price to trade up.
While Bush is a foregone conclusion to be the 1st overall pick, I get the fealing that some luster has come off him since the Rose Bowl. I don't know, maybe I'm imagining things. Plus, the unbelieveable performance by Texas local kid Vince Young has mainly contributed to this situation. Before the RB, it seemed that the Texans were set on Bush, but now everything has changed and it doesn't seem so sure.
In the end, I think the Jets need at LT is greater than the need to get Bush.
If the Texans get an OLine that knows how to protect a QB then Carr will probably be a Pro Bowler so I think the Texans will select Bush even though, as you stated, Dominick Davis is still in Houston.If they do trade down I think the Texans will want 2 1sts - the only team that you can get that from is Denver who have picks in the middle and lower end of the 1st round. I think Houston will at least want a top 12 pick and another lower 1st rounder for the no.1 overall so I dont see Houston trading down unless a player is involved in the package.
Our GM, Terry Bradway, isn't this gutsy. If anything, we need to trade down and get more picks, we're not missing one big thing, we're missing alot of things, and getting more picks to fill more holes makes more sense.
Well of course immediate holes to fill are Oline,Q.B,N.T, WR. Although the first 3 before the WR. I can almost guarentee you we will take either D'Brickshaw, Leinart (if he falls), Or Jay Cutler. Those 3 are the one's who will be drafted.
John Abraham is definately worth a 1st round pick and then some, so I would expect that we are going to trade him. We are extremely over the cap stting at an anstonishing 29 Mill over. So there are player's on the Jets who are going to have to get axed as well as restructure (if possible). With this thinking I don't think we will be in a position to trade up. We need picks more then anything and signing proven free agents in the situation were in are costly and would have a negitive effect on a payroll we are so desperately trying to minimize. Even with trading Abe it would seem kinda dumb to replace him with Mario when we have another 1st rounder backing him up in Bryan Thomas not to mention using the critical 1st from Abe on a more needy position.
I'm sorry for any team that get's Vince. The guy is going to be a huge project. Can we say J.P Losman. Just like Losman he had WR's, TE a great HB and FB with a decent online and although he showed promise he is just to much of a project. The same goes for Vince but it get's worse. In order for you guy's to become respectable again it's going to take years. Vince Young will have Dominick and Andre and a makeshift oline and Vince is very raw for drop back's to throwing motion it's all going to need tutoring. I personally don't think the Texans will take him. If they do it will take even longer.
Let me ask you a question why in the hell are fans calling for Bush when they have a badass running back like Dominick?. Why are the fans calling for Vince when David Carr has shown he can take punishment and stand in the pocket and make some beatiful throws?. Why wouldn't they look to take D'Brickshaw and trade down for more picks to further improve that oline? And I haven't even touched the defense yet. I think the Texan fans are in for a rude awakening if that get Bush or Vince. Trading down would be the best senario. Just my opinion.
Right now, the big thing is getting either D'Brickshaw Ferguson or Jay Cutler.
But are the Texans locked on to Bush? I think that's the wrong move, getting Ferguson is the smartest option.
j/w for every1 that is saying we shouldn't: where were u during the last week of the season. we all wanted the #1 pick to get reggie. i would most certainly do this, i wish their was actual talks of this happening.
