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Richard Smith as DC

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Lets face it, many fans were hoping for a big name signing at the DC spot. However, we should not be so quick to dismiss Richard Smith. He has 18 years of NFL coaching experience, so he is not exactly new to the League. He was the Dolphins DC last year and got to learn under Saban who is a defensive guru and Belichek disciple. Prior to this he was Assistant Head Coach/Linebacker Coach with the Lions. He is an ex-college player that likely knows how to motivate players. He has made a living coaching linebackers, and area of desparate need.

The guy actually has pretty impressive credentials. He is young and motivated, which I like.
 
He was here with the Oilers back in the late 80's and early 90's. As far as motivating players, he used to allow his special teams players (guys like Robert Lyles, Eugene Seale, etc.) walk up and down the field wearing fatigues and army helmets before games. It was supposed to intimidate the opponent I guess. It usually just pissed them off or made them laugh. It was part of that whole House of Pain thing and the Glanville circus.

Hey, you can never have enough Fresno Staters on your team.
 
This is personal opinion, however, I am hearing his name come up.

Speculation: He will be a part of the defensive staff in some capacity. It is looking more and more like he will be offered the DC job.
 
Yawn. Wake me up when we get a real staff. This is a bunch of lightweights, who seem to be picked by mepotism or connection more than for what they can do. I hear the towel boy at St. Pius is up for a key spot.
 
Porky said:
Yawn. Wake me up when we get a real staff. This is a bunch of lightweights, who seem to be picked by mepotism or connection more than for what they can do. I hear the towel boy at St. Pius is up for a key spot.
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so we're defining lightweights as someone that's moving into a position through a promotion (regardless of the number of years of experience in the league) examples: Ron Rivera, Charlie Weiss, Marvin Lewis, Gary Kubiak, Romeo Crennell, Sean Payton, ...
 
Richard Smith is partly responsible for making the Oilers actually play some football in the late 80s.
 
This guy is going to be coaching Andre Johnson next year. I got that pic from the Bucs site just now. Nothing against the kid but this worries me a bit.

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http://www.buccaneers.com/team/coachdetail.aspx?listid=coaches&coach=Shanahan,Kyle
 
wow yall are harsh :)

Give it a chance folks.

Im not too thrilled about the lack of BIG names and proven coaches coming our way.. but im not gonna knock it till I see it in action.
 
R. Smith is a talented teacher of LBs and DBs. Him and Hoke should do a bang up job with those two levels of defense. I would think our turnover and pressure count would definately go up. even though 37 sacks was not bad this year just came at the tail end of the season. Consistency is all I want from the assistant coaches. Also, Kyle Shanahan is kid of a big time NFL coach of course he is gonna get a job.
 
I will say that even guys like Lovie Smith were position guys before someone gave them a shot and made them a coordinator so you can't judge all new hires like that BUT it is scary to an extent where we really don't have the luxury of being able to just to let caution fly.
 
The way I see it is that Shanahan has been around football his entire life. I'm sure from the time he could crawl his father was preaching X's and O's and diciplin to him. I'll give him a chance before tossing him his pink slip... besides.. Alexander the Great conquored the known world by the time he was 25...
 
Richard Smith's the reason that we're losing out on Jim Bates. Bates doesn't want to be "CO-coordinator" with anyone and he doesn't HAVE to. He's proven himself in this league and Gary's really screwing up by doing the "Co-coordinator" thing on the Defensive side. Bates doesn't HAVE to coach either. The Packers STILL have to pay him $900,000/yr for the next 2 yrs. Hell I'd sit on the couch and watch the NFL on DirecTv for $900,000/yr. THEN I MIGHT think of getting a job? :twocents:
 
That kid (Shanahan) is also the one who coached up Matt Jones at last year's senior bowl. He also got arrested for PI at the Combine. Gruden has good things to say about him, also. Nad he calls he dad alot, who I think is a pretty good coach.

I'm also willing to bet Kubiak is going to be very hands on with all the players on offense, espically the skill guys. I really don't think Kyle is going to the sole source of input into the receivers.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
That kid (Shanahan) is also the one who coached up Matt Jones at last year's senior bowl. He also got arrested for PI at the Combine. Gruden has good things to say about him, also. Nad he calls he dad alot, who I think is a pretty good coach.

I'm also willing to bet Kubiak is going to be very hands on with all the players on offense, espically the skill guys. I really don't think Kyle is going to the sole source of input into the receivers.
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No one gets coached up by a coach over a couple of days. Under that standard even Kubiak would fail with Carr.
 
jetdoc said:
Richard Smith's the reason that we're losing out on Jim Bates. Bates doesn't want to be "CO-coordinator" with anyone and he doesn't HAVE to. He's proven himself in this league and Gary's really screwing up by doing the "Co-coordinator" thing on the Defensive side. Bates doesn't HAVE to coach either. The Packers STILL have to pay him $900,000/yr for the next 2 yrs. Hell I'd sit on the couch and watch the NFL on DirecTv for $900,000/yr. THEN I MIGHT think of getting a job? :twocents:
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Actually I think it is Jon Hoke and Marciano is why we are not getting Bates. Bates wants to hire his own staff and pretty much be the HC of Defense like Gary Williams is in Washington. He is gonna make a hell of lot of cash the next two years so he really just has to wait on his shot. I mean with all the assistants hired this year he will get a good shot in two years. My guess it will likely be with the Packers because Mike Mcarthy just does not impress me, he did not do much with the QBs in SF.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
No one gets coached up by a coach over a couple of days. Under that standard even Kubiak would fail with Carr.
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Coached up may be a bit strong, ut it was Shanahan that most certainly help Matt Jones have a good Senior Bowl, and the Senior Bowk is why he got pick by Jax.

Did his name play a part in why he got a job? Most certainly. Is it the only reason? I doubt it. And if it was the only reason we're in worse chape then we were before Capers was fired.

And with that I'm done with K. Shanahan debates.
 
It IS very curious that Mr. McNair basically gives Kubiak a blank check to go hire who he wants, and this is the crew he comes up with.

That being said, I believe the head coach of any team should be given free reign to hire who he thinks will get the job done. Ultimately Kubiak will live or die by these hires. So I will give the benefit of the doubt until I see reason not to.
 
chall8 said:
It IS very curious that Mr. McNair basically gives Kubiak a blank check to go hire who he wants, and this is the crew he comes up with.

That being said, I believe the head coach of any team should be given free reign to hire who he thinks will get the job done. Ultimately Kubiak will live or die by these hires. So I will give the benefit of the doubt until I see reason not to.
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Agreed, but the current hiring, once again I want to see the work completed, gives a little less room for forgiveness.
 
I like how all these message board people know much more than Kubes does when it comes to the type of staff he wants.

A coaching staff is much like any sports team. Sure you can put together a bunch of all stars,but that is not what is always best. Just like with teams coaching staffs can have ego get in the way.

It is very important for Kubiak to be able to mix and match and put together a staff that he likes, and that will stay here awhile. Keep in mind he is all about loyalty. Jim Bates will be looking for a head coaching job at the end of the season, and then we have to start all over with another DC.

I see nothing wrong with giving a young coach a chance.
 
SnakeOilTanker said:
I like how all these message board people know much more than Kubes does when it comes to the type of staff he wants.

A coaching staff is much like any sports team. Sure you can put together a bunch of all stars,but that is not what is always best. Just like with teams coaching staffs can have ego get in the way.

It is very important for Kubiak to be able to mix and match and put together a staff that he likes, and that will stay here awhile. Keep in mind he is all about loyalty. Jim Bates will be looking for a head coaching job at the end of the season, and then we have to start all over with another DC.

I see nothing wrong with giving a young coach a chance.
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There is validity to your statements. But when Bob McNair says that the checkbook is open I find it hard to believe that Kubiak would think Kyle Shanahan is at the top of his list.

Now if we are talking about Kubiak in year two or three, I am more than fine taking his mentors kid.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
I'm also willing to bet Kubiak is going to be very hands on with all the players on offense, espically the skill guys. I really don't think Kyle is going to the sole source of input into the receivers.
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This is just thinking out loud now, and not actual knowledge about stuff, so here goes.

I have had a sense that the Texans have tended to be very segregated as a team. That the various positions and position coaches spent a lot of separate time away from each other. Doing their own things. If you visit the meeting rooms, there is a hall way, with different small rooms for the different positions. QBs, RBs, etc. And then one big room for big meetings.

After Palmer got fired last year, Pendry took over and one of the things that the Oline guys were talking after that happened was watching film as an entire offense, not just the Oline guys. And that watching it as a group was helpful.

Anyhow, with Kube's getting his guys in, I am wondering if we will be seeing a more team oriented approach in the coaching and less segregated pieces and parts. And that by working with coaches who understand what he is trying to do, he is creating a shorthand to help communicate his way of doing things.

And from what I read, a lot of the on-field time won't just be drills in full pads, but more hands on teaching time, which by its nature is more group oriented.

Anyhow, am I way off base with this or is this something that other people sense as well????

Boy, though I know I can't wait for the season to start, they have their work cut out for them understanding their personnel and getting stuff in place. Not just the Xs and Os but creating a new environment for winning and confidence.

:texflag:
 
Texans_Chick said:
Anyhow, with Kube's getting his guys in, I am wondering if we will be seeing a more team oriented approach in the coaching and less segregated pieces and parts. And that by working with coaches who understand what he is trying to do, he is creating a shorthand to help communicate his way of doing things.

And from what I read, a lot of the on-field time won't just be drills in full pads, but more hands on teaching time, which by its nature is more group oriented.

Anyhow, am I way off base with this or is this something that other people sense as well????
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Excellent observation.
 
Texans_Chick said:
This is just thinking out loud now, and not actual knowledge about stuff, so here goes.

I have had a sense that the Texans have tended to be very segregated as a team. That the various positions and position coaches spent a lot of separate time away from each other. Doing their own things. If you visit the meeting rooms, there is a hall way, with different small rooms for the different positions. QBs, RBs, etc. And then one big room for big meetings.

After Palmer got fired last year, Pendry took over and one of the things that the Oline guys were talking after that happened was watching film as an entire offense, not just the Oline guys. And that watching it as a group was helpful.

Anyhow, with Kube's getting his guys in, I am wondering if we will be seeing a more team oriented approach in the coaching and less segregated pieces and parts. And that by working with coaches who understand what he is trying to do, he is creating a shorthand to help communicate his way of doing things.

And from what I read, a lot of the on-field time won't just be drills in full pads, but more hands on teaching time, which by its nature is more group oriented.

Anyhow, am I way off base with this or is this something that other people sense as well????

Boy, though I know I can't wait for the season to start, they have their work cut out for them understanding their personnel and getting stuff in place. Not just the Xs and Os but creating a new environment for winning and confidence.

:texflag:
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Excellent post.
 
Vinny said:
This guy is going to be coaching Andre Johnson next year. I got that pic from the Bucs site just now. Nothing against the kid but this worries me a bit.

Shanahan_Kyle.jpg


http://www.buccaneers.com/team/coachdetail.aspx?listid=coaches&coach=Shanahan,Kyle
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Now we are judging our coaches by what they look like? Wow! Come on everyone. Shall we go through our lesson again on not judging a book by its cover? What does his picture tell me? He's young? I knew that when I saw he was 24. Let's give this coaching staff a chance.
 
AJ is a class guy and will listen to Kyle.

Age doesnt make you a good coach. I'm sure there is a ton of people on this board that are older than KS, should the Texans hire them?...I mean they are older and must be better coaches.
 
SnakeOilTanker said:
the dude is 35 or 36....

Shanahan is the young one
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Ya, and our new OC has exactly 16 games of experience as an offensive coach. Prior to that, he was a defensive coach. This staff is a friggin train wreck. :brickwall
 
Vinny said:
This guy is going to be coaching Andre Johnson next year. I got that pic from the Bucs site just now. Nothing against the kid but this worries me a bit.

Shanahan_Kyle.jpg


http://www.buccaneers.com/team/coachdetail.aspx?listid=coaches&coach=Shanahan,Kyle
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I believe the Patriots just hired a 29 year old as their OC. I'm sure when that dude was 26 or 27 he was a position coach some where. Look age shouldn't matter if you have expierence. Koobs didn't just hand a guy off the street a job. Kyle has lived and breath football his whole life. He played wide out at UT, just because he was physically talented doesn't mean he doesn't know the position. Look what he did for Simms this year. Yes it has been stated that Kyle was one of the big factors for Simms success. I know he isn't coaching our QBs but atleast that says he can coach.

Bottom line all of the "high profile" names started somewhere at some age. Would it really make the difference if he had the same credentials but was 35? Look this "kid" has been talked up highly around the league and as far as I'm concerned we might just have the next offensive genius on our hands.
 
Porky said:
Ya, and our new OC has exactly 16 games of experience as an offensive coach. Prior to that, he was a defensive coach. This staff is a friggin train wreck. :brickwall
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And? Kubiak thinks enough of his football knowledge that he wants to groom him as his offensive coordinator. Do you have a better football mind than Kubiak?
 
SnakeOilTanker said:
AJ is a class guy and will listen to Kyle.

Age doesnt make you a good coach. I'm sure there is a ton of people on this board that are older than KS, should the Texans hire them?...I mean they are older and must be better coaches.
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Is Kyle going to teach AJ how to dislodge from a jam at the line??? I dont think so...

I want some experience on this staff...
 
Jack Bauer said:
And? Kubiak thinks enough of his football knowledge that he wants to groom him as his offensive coordinator. Do you have a better football mind than Kubiak?
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So on top of being head coach, and having to teach Carr everything there is to know about pocket presence, Kubiak now has to teach his OC to run an NFL offense... :brickwall
 
Porky said:
Ya, and our new OC has exactly 16 games of experience as an offensive coach. Prior to that, he was a defensive coach. This staff is a friggin train wreck. :brickwall
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Ya, and our new OC was hand picke dby teh HC, who knows a little sumthin' sumthin' abuot succesful NFL offenses.

Rumor has it Kubiak had his choice of Calhoun or Dennison, and he choose Calhoun; probaly not the choice most would have made. But I doubt anybody on this baord knows the strenghts and weeknesses fo these two like Kubes, and I'll trust his judgement.

For the time being atleast.
 
Fiddy said:
Is Kyle going to teach AJ how to dislodge from a jam at the line??? I dont think so...

I want some experience on this staff...
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If AJ doesn't know how to do this, he would not be in the NFL...
 
Fiddy said:
So on top of being head coach, and having to teach Carr everything there is to know about pocket presence, Kubiak now has to teach his OC to run an NFL offense... :brickwall
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The plan all along has been for Kubiak to call the plays.
 
Jack Bauer said:
The plan all along has been for Kubiak to call the plays.
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Well that's great...we are taking the exact opposite route of the Patriots who took play calling away from the HC and gave it to 2 excellent coordinators...
 
SnakeOilTanker said:
I just am wondering how the hell Kubiak didnt hire Fiddy?...I mean you know more than Calhoun and KS put together right?:rolleyes:
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He didnt hire me because I dont have any ties to Shanahan...
 
Fiddy said:
Please let me see AJ's face when that "coach" tries to tell this guy how to play in the NFL:

AJ's arms are bigger than Shanny II's neck...
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I'm sure AJ's face will not show as much disappointment as it did w/ the coaches he had last year. The fact that this guy has actually played the position before (although not physically talented enough to make it big-time) probably makes him a well-liked and respected coach b/c he can relate to the players. I think our team could learn from a little comradre (sp) and actually learn to play as a TEAM.

Just b/c AJ is physically bigger/stronger doesn't mean he'll have a bad attitude and not take directions from someone of lesser stature. If that was the case then all OL coaches would have to be 6'5" 330 lbs to get respect; DL coaches 6'7" 275lbs, etc.

All I'm saying is give Kubes a chance. Most seem to be happy of Kubiak's hiring b/c of his offense insight, talent evaluation, etc. If you believe he has these things, then why should you question his coaching decisions just b/c they are either not big names or too young (age discrimination?) If you don't like the Kubiak hiring at all, then I guess I can see where you'd question these hirings b/c you are wanting a big name to passify you.:)
 
Those oc's and dc's had to get there start somewhere, they didnt just come out of thin air.

and btw, everything doesn't have to be done the Pats way.
 
Fiddy said:
He didnt hire me because I dont have any ties to Shanahan...
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He didn't hire you because you are even younger than K. Shanahan even though I guess you seem to have more experience!?!? :)
 
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