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Official Brock Osweiler MVP Watch Thread!
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htowntexans1985
1st Round Pick
How tf was he so happy after yesterday? All smiles and hugs afterwards with his old teammates Dude has lost all respect from me
This is not in defense of Brock. He's not playing very well & hasn't since he got here. I just want to put last nights game in perspective.
Player Results Cmp ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT QBR RAT
Brock Osweiler 9-27 Broncos 22 41 131 53.7 3.2 13 0 0 36 60.1
Jameis Winston 7-27 Broncos 17 35 179 48.6 5.11 25 0 2 42.7 40.1
Andrew Luck 20-34 Broncos 21 40 197 52.5 4.93 30 1 1 60.5 64.3
Andy Dalton 17-29 Broncos 21 31 206 67.7 6.65 27 0 1 64.1 72.8
Brock is the worse of the bunch. But they were all a notch down from what they "normally" do. Look at Luck's numbers against the Broncos. (I am not saying Osweiler is in the same tier as Luck).
Player Results Cmp ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT QBR RAT
Brock Osweiler 9-27 Broncos 22 41 131 53.7 3.2 13 0 0 36 60.1
Jameis Winston 7-27 Broncos 17 35 179 48.6 5.11 25 0 2 42.7 40.1
Andrew Luck 20-34 Broncos 21 40 197 52.5 4.93 30 1 1 60.5 64.3
Andy Dalton 17-29 Broncos 21 31 206 67.7 6.65 27 0 1 64.1 72.8
Brock is the worse of the bunch. But they were all a notch down from what they "normally" do. Look at Luck's numbers against the Broncos. (I am not saying Osweiler is in the same tier as Luck).
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
After the bye, O'Brien needs to be coaching for his job and earn back some credibility for himself and his system. That's why I think Savage will get the start under the guise of a "sit and learn" period for Brock.
thetexanator
Veteran
its not brocks fault. its pudding head obrien's fault. brock is 6ft8 and has a cannon forr an arm. its obriens fault.
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
They wont bench Osweiler. It just wont happen
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Agreed. Barring injury he's going to start all 16 games for the Houston Texans in 2016. He's getting paid too much money to bench. And plus we're still in a pretty good spot within the AFC South. We have a good chance to host an AFC wild-card game just like last year. Hopefully Brock Osweiler has a good showing in the playoffs. I don't want to lose 30-0 like last year when Brian Hoyer was a disaster in that game. If big Brock has a good playoff game, maybe even more than one if we advance past the wild-card round, I would call it a success moving forward into 2017.
Based on history, don't hold your breath waiting for McNair to fire O'Brien any time soon.
He gave Kubiak 4 seasons to just get to a winning record, and 6 seasons to get to the playoffs. O'Brien has two winning seasons and one playoff season.
It took 2-14 twice for McNair to fire his head coaches. And he's on record stating that changing head coaches is a very traumatic experience (and interesting contrast when you see Elway firing a winning head coach that had already taken his team to a SB).
McNair has the patience of a cat, so I fully expect O'Brien to be here awhile longer. All he has to do is win the title of the crappiest division in football.
JWLCASPER
Waterboy
As bad as Brock has played we are 4-3 and leading our division. Is the division trash, yes. Are we the shiniest broken toy, yes. Would teams in worse situations take our broken toy, yes.
After B.OB demonstrated his knee jerk quarterback fiasco last year, there is absolutely no way McNair, Rick, and Cal allow him to do it again this year. Any deviation from Brock tells the team they have no faith in Brock and his career as a Texan is done. This regime cannot afford that to happen, and going 4-12 wouldn't change that as they will point to rookie receivers, offensive line injuries, JJ's injury, etc etc to safe face on the season, and that is worst case scenario.
As thunder keeps pointing out I am waiting this season out and seeing if growth occurs. I want a Super Bowl victory as much as the next fan, but if that is the only thing that means our team is "legitimate" then fans will continuously be let down. Even Tommy Terrific and Mastermind Belichick have gone home losers more than winners, it's the nature of the game.
What I do want to see is our uptempo offense again, because Brock seems to do much better in the flow of that "scheme" then our traditional sets.
What I do want to see is our offensive line round into form before the playoffs, which each week our line has performed better then the last.
What I do want to see is B.OB get his head out of his ass and get a bit more creative with route combinations like the Ervin Circle route following Hopkins on his drag creating a choice for the linebacker in that area.
And finally I do want to see some kind of vision for our team. What I mean by that is what will we see each and every week that we rest our hat on. Right now we seem to be a Shotgun Power running team, which sounds counter productive and what we see on the field backs that up. If we are going to be a Shotgun running team then I would like to see more drags, crosses, whips, and flat routes to make the linebackers play horizontally to create rushing lanes.
Growth is all we can ask for. If a division banner comes, great. If a conference trophy comes, great. If the Lombardi Trophy and giant rings comes, perfect. But none of that comes from a week 6 comeback or a week 7 loss. But growth individually and collectively can.
After B.OB demonstrated his knee jerk quarterback fiasco last year, there is absolutely no way McNair, Rick, and Cal allow him to do it again this year. Any deviation from Brock tells the team they have no faith in Brock and his career as a Texan is done. This regime cannot afford that to happen, and going 4-12 wouldn't change that as they will point to rookie receivers, offensive line injuries, JJ's injury, etc etc to safe face on the season, and that is worst case scenario.
As thunder keeps pointing out I am waiting this season out and seeing if growth occurs. I want a Super Bowl victory as much as the next fan, but if that is the only thing that means our team is "legitimate" then fans will continuously be let down. Even Tommy Terrific and Mastermind Belichick have gone home losers more than winners, it's the nature of the game.
What I do want to see is our uptempo offense again, because Brock seems to do much better in the flow of that "scheme" then our traditional sets.
What I do want to see is our offensive line round into form before the playoffs, which each week our line has performed better then the last.
What I do want to see is B.OB get his head out of his ass and get a bit more creative with route combinations like the Ervin Circle route following Hopkins on his drag creating a choice for the linebacker in that area.
And finally I do want to see some kind of vision for our team. What I mean by that is what will we see each and every week that we rest our hat on. Right now we seem to be a Shotgun Power running team, which sounds counter productive and what we see on the field backs that up. If we are going to be a Shotgun running team then I would like to see more drags, crosses, whips, and flat routes to make the linebackers play horizontally to create rushing lanes.
Growth is all we can ask for. If a division banner comes, great. If a conference trophy comes, great. If the Lombardi Trophy and giant rings comes, perfect. But none of that comes from a week 6 comeback or a week 7 loss. But growth individually and collectively can.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Yup, it's O'Briens fault for choosing Osweiller
The Broncos DB (Harris, I think), said all I needed to know. Well, what we already kind of knew. He basically said if they took away Brock's 1st read he'll get giddy feet and make mistakes. It's been the same thing for 7 weeks with absolutely zero improvement.
They both suck. Couple that with a crappy Dline, mediocre LBs and a banged up secondary and you get suckage across the board
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
It's possible either way. If fans start giving him the Schaub treatment with boos and jersey burnings, he's going to get benched. Fans and media have more influence than they realize. And if a benching happens, the excuse will be that Osweiler needs to sit and learn from a more experienced QB.
O'Brien needs to win back some credibility, and yes, he should be worried. McNair's patience with Kubiak should not be projected to every scenario. This team is regressing. Badly.
I can't imagine what this place would be like if we drafted a 1st round QB who'll probably take 2 years or more to be able to play this game at this level when we're swinging the axe after only 7 games of Osweiler, with a winning record.
I could understand if he played three or four years like Drew Brees did. But he didn't. He didn't even play a full season last year.
I could understand if he played three or four years like Drew Brees did. But he didn't. He didn't even play a full season last year.
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HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
I think it's the fact that Brock has shown no improvment, he actually seems to be regressing more and more with each game. That in itself is not encouraging.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
This exactly.
How do you quantify "no improvement"?
badboy
Hall of Fame
Looks like I was a "bit" more right than you about Texans.
badboy
Hall of Fame
ewe..my eyes hurt.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I think you are assuming that a benched Os and that impacting his career is any different than allowing him to play as he has so far. He should have had great confidence going into the game at Mile High after his come from behind win versus Colts. I did not see that confidence not did I see a game plan from Bill extending the 4th quarter to the first quarter last night.
Max
Veteran
I circled the Denver game as important to Os to get his confidence going. He's being skewered in the national media as one would expect and as he deserves and I'm not sure if he can keep this out of his head at this point. If he can pull himself together after a start like this, he's one hell of a competitor and we've got a winner on our hands. I wouldn't say that the odds are in his favor though.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
I tried man. Initially I was against the decision. I hadn't seen enough to quantify the move at the cost. I succumbed to the fan in me and embraced him and looked for reasons to jump on the wagon. After the first 2 games and I was arguing with teams who actually had a QB. I think I've seen enough. Dude just cant make plays when you need him to. Money time and he cant improvise or visualize. I hate the downward trajectory he throws the ball with due to height. He gets jittery feet like you know who back there. Never works through his lineup of receivers. I just cant fathom a worse QB right now. All I can do is shake my head and shrug my shoulders.
JWLCASPER
Waterboy
I know I absolutely sound like a Brock homer, but I really just want a great Texans QB and I don't care if it's through the draft or free agency. On Brock however I will not factor in the contract into my evaluation and I will defend Rick Smith's motives. Take a look at
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/new...eals-rumors-trades/14cyb77q2x4uw19hkliwoknzzn
and tell me all of the big name free agents we could have went after (remember they have to want to play for us too.)
The media is pushing the money, stop taking the bait. It is middle tier money and for a chance at a 25 year old quarterback who has/had the potential to become our long term answer at the most important position AND he wanted to sign with us.
Has he looked like garbage? Absolutely.
Was he worth the short term risk with McNair's money?
Absolutely
Would I take him today with his stats and erratic play to date over Carr, Schaub, Fitzpatrick, Hoyer, and every other goof we have trotted out there?
My opinion, but Absolutely.
Talk to me at the end of the season and I may change my mind, but for now I stand by an earlier comment I made weeks ago, Brock's confidence in himself (he may not have it in B.OB) is his biggest asset to us. It is the first quarterback we have had who I believe truly "THINKS" he is the man. Let's see if he can make that vision of himself a reality for all of us.
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/new...eals-rumors-trades/14cyb77q2x4uw19hkliwoknzzn
and tell me all of the big name free agents we could have went after (remember they have to want to play for us too.)
The media is pushing the money, stop taking the bait. It is middle tier money and for a chance at a 25 year old quarterback who has/had the potential to become our long term answer at the most important position AND he wanted to sign with us.
Has he looked like garbage? Absolutely.
Was he worth the short term risk with McNair's money?
Absolutely
Would I take him today with his stats and erratic play to date over Carr, Schaub, Fitzpatrick, Hoyer, and every other goof we have trotted out there?
My opinion, but Absolutely.
Talk to me at the end of the season and I may change my mind, but for now I stand by an earlier comment I made weeks ago, Brock's confidence in himself (he may not have it in B.OB) is his biggest asset to us. It is the first quarterback we have had who I believe truly "THINKS" he is the man. Let's see if he can make that vision of himself a reality for all of us.
Thorsson
Waterboy
Nope, not related to Weeden. I just think he's the best QB on the team, and he has the ability to hit a receiver in stride 60 yards downfield. The Texans need to stretch the field with their speedy receivers, and I think Weeden gives the team the best chance to do that.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
Looking worse, less accurate, looking deep less and less. I guess that covers it.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
This has always been my position. Right now I support benching Osweiler, but I still think McNair and Smith were taking the right risk by signing him. Swing for the fences, but be prepared to accept massive failure. Otherwise you'll be in perpetual mediocrity hell.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
Translation: Brock's in danger of getting benched.
Texian
Hall of Fame
He did throw a fumble. Is that less, worse or the same as an interception?Well, on a positive note - and it was tough to find one - Monday night was the first time ALL SEASON that Osweiler did not throw an INT.
How's that for "improvement"???
I do not like Osweiler's overall demeanor.
He doesn't seem to understand that calls can go differently than expectation. (He doesn't adjust well to the "business").
A show of disbelief to a call is never a good trait for a QB.
They say the mental part is 90% for an NFL QB.
Osweiler seems to be a good young man; I hope he works hard on his mental part.
He has some serious physical skills.
Max
Veteran
I get what you're saying but his on field demeanor could be worse -- he's a lot better than Jay Cutler or even Sam Bradford.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
I honestly feel bad for the guy. He knows he has skills, and he took the absolute right approach to his role and his business coming in. I believe that he would've excelled in another system, but this system or this coach is just not jiving with his development.
To be honest, I've said that Osweiler is a better fit in Kubiak's WCO system.
He has to do the play fake, and more roll-out.
His reads would be more half of the filed.
His long wind-up would have been helped (Schaub-like).
O'Brien thingy is a QB that stays more in the pocket and make a quick strike.
It's not a good marriage.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
That's why Savage will be a stark contrast. He can make the quick strikes, while Osweiler has been horrible at them. Not just the wind up, but throwing behind the crossing receiver.
Osweiler also utilized his scrambling ability better in Kubiak's system. Reading the whole field from the pocket does not suit him.
Killer Bee
Waterboy
I wanted to highlight an improvement since most are pointing to Brock's failings, and rightfully so. His pocket presence vs Denver was very good and his footwork seemed to settle down from previous games. For being 6'8", he moves well, stepped up in the pocket, rolled out, and stood tall when he needed to.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Anyone seen this, I thought it was hilarious.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-fan-starts-gofundme-to-buy-out-osweiler-deal
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-fan-starts-gofundme-to-buy-out-osweiler-deal
It's probably you or JB. You old farts are sneaky like that.
It's probably you or JB. You old farts are sneaky like that.
ssshhhhh kettle
TripleTap
Dead Wood
And when he goes deep he's usually 5-10 yards off.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Uecker.
LoL
that's an absolute classic
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
The weird thing is that he was consistently accurate down field in preseason and game 1. We know what he's capable of, but his processing has jumped the tracks.
Perhaps he's been hearing "don't make mistakes" so often that he's now aiming the ball
Texansballer74
The Marine
Should we change the title of the thread to WPY (Worst Player of the Year watch) WQTH ( Worst Quarterback in Texans History watch).
On the cool I really hope he turn it around.
On the cool I really hope he turn it around.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I started to steal this and post it on a sports blog on Facebook. Then I thought about it for a split second and said why bother. I know them jokers will spin as if I was trying to defend Brocks horrific performance in that game. And that's with the disclaimer and all. hahahaha
JWLCASPER
Waterboy
That is part of the reason I am still not calling for Brock's benching. Minnesota's defense has made the majority of their opponents look foolish, especially at home, and we were no different. Denver, though their offense has been up and down, their defense had looked as good as last year and they won the Super Bowl with a broken Manning with that defense, and we get them at their place after 2 losses and a long week. New England has only lost once all year and in that game their defense allowed 16 points, and we played in Foxboro. I know we looked like garbage and the stench has filled our message board, but did anyone truly expect us to come out clicking on all cylinders against 3 of the top 5 teams in football AT THEIR HOUSES, with no JJ, new pieces across the board on offense, and injuries sniping us each week.
When you think about it 4-3 with a chance at 5-3 heading into the bye is sitting pretty damn good heading into week 10, especially beating Indy and Tennessee, the divisional games we HAVE to win.
Perspective!
Texansballer74
The Marine
Honestly I thought we would have a shot at both the Patriots and Vikings. The Patriots were without Mr. Tom Brady and Gronk. Nobody on this green earth knew the Vikings defense would be top notch. Plus Bradford was fairly new and didn't have a full off season of preparation in their system.
On the cool I can deal with certain losses, but not the ones in which you really didn't put up a fight. I truly thought we were done getting embarrassed like that. That is why so many of us are so down on this team. Even with the wins, our team looked so bad in those games as well. Good thing those teams looked even worse LOL.
You are indeed right, win the division and playoff's here we come. Hopefully we're playing our best football by then.