Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
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Official Brock Osweiler MVP Watch Thread!
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Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
Sorry man, but Osweiler simply lacks the accuracy. And when he's accurate, it's inconsistent. If I have to explain why he looked so good in preseason, I'd have to say it was the absence of real pass pressure.
You can look at a lot of raw quarterbacks with bad stats and still see potential. I just don't see it after seven games.
Goatcheese
Texan
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Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Donald Trump was right after all...
Brock Osweiler is one bad hombre.
He's stealing all of our money!
Brock Osweiler is one bad hombre.
He's stealing all of our money!
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
I cannot explain why the guy has regressed, but he's either not a fit for the system, or he's (more likely) fool's gold. Another possibility is that O'Brien is a sub par QB coach, but at least his past QB's could get the ball to Hopkins. Either way, by week eight, you should know whether a quarterback has potential.
I'm predicting that Savage takes over after the bye. O'Brien may say that Brock just needs to "sit and learn," but the real reason will be to prove to McNair and fans that the problem isn't coaching or the system.
I'm predicting that Savage takes over after the bye. O'Brien may say that Brock just needs to "sit and learn," but the real reason will be to prove to McNair and fans that the problem isn't coaching or the system.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Ok I am on the wagon train of bashing this sorry dude. This clown of a quarterback is outrageously pathetic and should be benched. I tried my darnest to stay patient but unfortunately that has expired with Brock. I really don't see this dude ever improving whatsoever. He makes the same mistakes every freaking game. The inconsistency, staring down his target, and now fumbling a pass in which the dang receiver wasn't open any darn ways.
Good grief this dude is horrible.
Good grief this dude is horrible.
Texansballer74
The Marine
wow what did I just read or at least tried to read. lol
Well, I never bashed Osweiler.
I just thought he has quite a few negatives, and at this stage in his career, it will take a lot of work to fix - if at all possible.
I've been trying to stay positive, too; but it's just hard.
He should have stayed in Denver.
He would have had another off-season to work on his throwing mechanics (instead of a new playbook.)
Kubiak had done that with Schaub.
But like Phil Simms had said, it could take a few years, or more, for a QB to undo the habit.
NUKdemboys
Practice Squad
NUKdemboys
Practice Squad
This thread is always good for a laugh when I'm feeling down...
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
This thread title may seem ironic now, but in preseason it made sense. Osweiler was accurate, made plays, demonstrated touch on key throws.
What we're watching now is a totally confusing inversion. It's really inexplicable.
What we're watching now is a totally confusing inversion. It's really inexplicable.
Supertoad
Rookie
Nice
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
It's called bad coaching (I'm including scheme or in our case 'scheme' for an offensive (that's becoming ironic) HC).
Texansballer74
The Marine
Everybody processes and learns things totally different and on different time scales verses others. Some players are ready to play right away while it might take some time for others. All because you sat behind a great doesn't mean what you've learned would manifest itself on the battle field.
NUKdemboys
Practice Squad
Anyone with a modicum of football sense knew the Idea was bad. Apologists like yourself that defend stupidity just because it's your favorite team are part of the problem.
Supertoad
Rookie
That sounds like what my parents used to say when my brother was in the principal's office for doing something bad. You don't pay 72 million dollars to a guy who can't play. Him not being able to throw to open receivers when he has little pressure or fumbles the ball without a defender in the area proves the fact that he doesn't have enough skill to be a franchise qb.
Better to draft a qb if they have to be groomed. Save 72 Million and spend it on an oline to protect the qb.
The reason the Texans never go far is fans that fill the stadium and make excuses year after year while nothing changes.
I support the Texans and have since day one; yet I refuse to pay for tickets again or buy another Texans product until I see some production. As long as old man Mcnair is rolling in dough he will keep Rick Smith, and let this $&@$ show continue
And I repeat, I've never bashed any QB the Texans had on the roster, not even Schaub in his last year here, or Hoyer for that matter.I'm not here to ***** and moan.
I do this analysis stuff with all QBs the Texans ever had; most times I just don't post the analysis.
I've talked about how Fitz is just Fitz when he was first signed; how I saw Yates as a backup type of QB; how Keenum is the one with a slight chance to be an NFL QB if he learns to play as smart as Brees; how Savage was also of the "slow-to-progress-in-his-read" type; how Mallett lacked the brain despite his arm talent; how Hoyer was the lesser of the two evils.
I've made the assertion (against Texecutioner's thinking) that Newton was definitely going to be the no. 1 pick - after I had analyzed some ten of his game tapes.
And so on.
It's what I enjoy doing.
And I state what I observed.
When people cited the fact as Mallett had a "good game" against the Browns to make their case during TC the following year, I said it was fool gold and it wasn't all that good to begin with.
People didn't have any problem tearing Hoyer apart for the time he was with the Browns; how Keenum was "0-8".
Fair or not; those things happen.
If Keenum was playing for the Texans in PS 2014; I would analyze his plays just the same. I'm not going to make excuse that he only had limited playing time and he's under a new system and a new coach.
I did analyze Mallett even in PS 2015 and stated my observations.
I didn't hang him; I simply said I don't believe he makes a good NFL QB because he doesn't have enough brain (and that encompasses all the mental part of the game.) If you don't like to read what I wrote, fine. I had no problem with that. =
I simply analyze their games, their strengths and weaknesses.
O'Brien is also not NFL HC material; at least not now.
You have a HC that is not ready and a QB that is not ready (not even sure if they will ever be ready), and you don't have a proven system such that your OC becomes a scapegoat.
You can't find the right Offensive linemen and the correct weapons.
Everything is just going round and round.
This whole team has no direction, and it starts with the owner.
He may be a nice guy and all.
He's good with business.
But he's hurting his own team on the football field.
Texansballer74
The Marine
From there scouting reports and Bill O'Brien's guru experienced they thought it would be a perfect fit. Unfortunately they jumped the gun because the owner was pressing for a qb right now, and at any cost might I add.
Drafting a QB is not always the best course of action. It's always a hit or miss and maybe in between when drafting these players.
They went out and got what they thought would be two great additions to their Oline. Plus they have drafted Oline in the top half of the draft dor several years now. Unfortunately that's not panning out and neither is their FA addition. And let's not get on the level of injures that this team is dealing with. Oh boy especially to that Oline.
Fans filling the seats or not, really doesn't have any bearings to how far this team will go or if changes will be made or not. Again they have addressed a lot of their issues but unfortunately it's not working out only in big games.
That's your prerogative but you can't expect everybody to follow suite. I bleed Texans, Rockets and Astros so you can best believe I will continue to purchase their apparels as well as attend a few of their games when I'm not out of time working.
Supertoad
Rookie
Let savage play. I think he has at least earned a shot to show what he has. Draft a qb and hope for the best. Drafting a qb is almost free so; so if it fails try again next time. Paying 72 million to a innacurate giraffe qb is something that cant be easily undone. Those rash decisions are why the Texans never beat good teams.
I will at least concede that with our Oline playing like it is there is little doubt savage will get a shot before the end of the season.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I thought Bill O'Brien turned a corner after that horrendous start last season. He didn't put too much on his quarterbacks and actually utilized what their strengths. He also minimized their turnover deficiency. But for reason he's not doing that with Brock. I've also noticed he went hurry up offense last season and the year before but isn't running that this year with Brock. Hmm I wonder why.
We have the weapons, they're not being utilized correctly in this scheme.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I am on board with Savage playing now, unfortunately I don't think they would bench their big time investment. We are still leading our weak division and I don't see us really losing a game to either of them. Well maybe one. lol We win next week against the Lions and that will put us at 5-3.
PapaL
Loose Screw
That would be the first time Brock has been on fire as a Texan.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
My worry is that we don't suck enough to get ourselves a top prospect.
All our losses are against great teams. We're never going to miss the playoffs and never going to beat a playoff team.
All our losses are against great teams. We're never going to miss the playoffs and never going to beat a playoff team.
texanhead08
All Pro
Thats the big problem we are stuck in mediocre land we are good enough to possibly sneak in the playoffs and get smashed. We aren't bad enough to get the QB to give us a chance year in and year out.
Thorsson
Waterboy
Weeden is the best fit for this system; dude's got a rocket arm and can throw deep.
Osweiler is the perfect fit for the local bank, where he deposits his $millions.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
Yeah go to google translate and select urban as the language and it makes sense......
PapaL
Loose Screw
You talk about Weeden a bit more than usual posters. Do you honestly think he's the best fit or are you related to him in some way?
Not trying to be an ass. Asking seriously. I see lots of people asking for Savage but hardly anyone is calling for the Weed Man.
Personally, I'm just down on everything right now. A change has to be made...somewhere.
Texansballer74
The Marine
watch we'll beat the Bengals LOL
Texansballer74
The Marine
Pantherstang84
@rolisrgti06
I think it may be to Osweiller's benefit to have him sit a game or two at least. The dude either really sucks or has a serious case of the yips. He's desperate to try and get Hop the ball. During his appearances in preseason, Os actually spread the ball around and made good throws. I know it was preseason. I know. However, it at least showed he could make the throws and get the ball to his playmakers. I think his problem is he is trying too hard. I also think he is on the verge of losing the locker room which is mucho not good for a QB. Let Savage start a couple of games so Osweiller can chill out a little bit. At least we would find out what we have with Savage when the bullets are flying for real.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Weeden looked good last year for much of the time he was playing (here and in Dallas) so I get that he's garnering a little attention but I think nobody over on Kirby is going start a game barring injury but Brock. Not Savage. Not Weeden. Not even T.J. Yates who I'm sure has a red phone that only connects directly to the Houston Texans HC office for emergency Bengal games.
They (Rick and O'Brien) bought a pig in a poke and they're going to go down because of it. We get to watch it all unfold.
I hate this ******* team sometimes.
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Hervoyel
BUENO!
The thing is Os is never going to chill out because he's a $72 million dollar distraction that does double-duty as the face of the franchise. This is all anyone is talking about where the Texans are concerned and so it has taken on a life of its own at this point. I swear I've never seen anything go sour so fast as this FA signing.
The Texans are the team that signed the $72 million dollar bum and Brock is the journeyman QB who got a team to pay him $37 million guaranteed. That's all anyone cares about. It's like when Sanchez steps on the field he's the Butt-fumble guy or when Kaepernick steps on the field he's the "National Anthem Asshole". The distraction is now bigger than the player and it will remain so until Brock does something that puts it to rest but every week that becomes less likely and the noise from his new notoriety gets louder.
We're screwed.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
If this doesn't happen then I will say I hate this team. I'm not there yet but that's where I'm headed and it sucks because I want to love my hometown teams.
Number19
Hall of Fame
I'm also a big Weeden supporter, to the extent I want to see what he can do in OB's offense. Problem is, I also want to see Savage. It won't happen, but I'd like to see Savage given the starting spot; bump Weeden to #2; and demote Oz to #3.
This is on coaching. Haven't you heard repeatedly OB talk about having to get the ball to Hopkins more?
driller80545
Noob
I, too, am a Weeden fan. Based on what Ive seen of him with Dallas and Texans. He's not Drew Brees, but is without a doubt the best of the three on this team.
Texian
Hall of Fame
The proof is in the pudding....
DeAndre Hopkins -first seven games of each year
Year Receptions/Yards/TDs = Quarterback
2014 31/474/3 = Fitzpatrick
2015 52/678/5 = Hoyer
2016 36/390/3 = Osweiler
Using DeAndre Hopkins as a measuring stick, Brock Osweiler is Bill O'Brien's worst quarterback in his 3 years as the Texans head coach.
DeAndre Hopkins -first seven games of each year
Year Receptions/Yards/TDs = Quarterback
2014 31/474/3 = Fitzpatrick
2015 52/678/5 = Hoyer
2016 36/390/3 = Osweiler
Using DeAndre Hopkins as a measuring stick, Brock Osweiler is Bill O'Brien's worst quarterback in his 3 years as the Texans head coach.
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CstatTexan
Waterboy
If we don't get a viable QB by the start of next season, I don't see Hop staying unless they give him a blank check
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
Wow, you're like the Brock Osweiler of reading comprehension. Way off the mark.
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Found this article interesting. Thought you may want to see as well
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news.../25/the-texans-have-a-brock-osweiler-problem/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news.../25/the-texans-have-a-brock-osweiler-problem/
DEFFY
Practice Squad
Bob and Brock are making Kubiak/Matt Schaub combo look like a generousness. This feels like 2013 all over again. I keep reading is the BoB scheme because it is too difficult, but it clearly seems like Brock is just not the right guy.
I was never on the Brock bandwagon, but i was hoping that playing next to Manning, he would had picked up some good "habits". NOPE!! Brock goes to the sideline and when we get a camera shot of the guy, he looks clueless, clearly the deer in the headlights
I was never on the Brock bandwagon, but i was hoping that playing next to Manning, he would had picked up some good "habits". NOPE!! Brock goes to the sideline and when we get a camera shot of the guy, he looks clueless, clearly the deer in the headlights
klockWork
Rookie
He does look at them in the face, just not into their eyes. If he did all he'll see is his own reflection staring back.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Serious question. How soon can the Texans be rid of this guy? If they have already identified the mistake and understand that he is not going to work (and I admit it's incredibly unlikely, bordering on impossible for that to be true. With our luck we'd cut him, take a bath on his salary, and then Kubiak would pick him up cheap and win a Super Bowl with him) then how soon can we move forward?
He's getting his $37 million. That's guaranteed but it looks like we could part ways with him in 2018 and create $6 million in dead money vs $15 million in cap savings. Not ideal but not impossible.
At this point would it be easier for the Texans to jettison O'Brien and his so-called offense and then bring in someone like Kyle Shanahan who is going to run something similar (probably practically identical) to what Brock seemed to play well in when he was in Denver?
It would probably mean more time with Rick Smith as our GM but would it be the better move to try and put Brock and his big-ass contract into a system we know he can play in?
He's getting his $37 million. That's guaranteed but it looks like we could part ways with him in 2018 and create $6 million in dead money vs $15 million in cap savings. Not ideal but not impossible.
At this point would it be easier for the Texans to jettison O'Brien and his so-called offense and then bring in someone like Kyle Shanahan who is going to run something similar (probably practically identical) to what Brock seemed to play well in when he was in Denver?
It would probably mean more time with Rick Smith as our GM but would it be the better move to try and put Brock and his big-ass contract into a system we know he can play in?
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
This is the exact same conversation as the Brock MVP thread.
It ain't gonna happen but I wish they would bring Shanny jr in TODAY and make him at least asst HC/OC and tell OB to deal with it or go and take godsey with him. I'm so fed up with this bs offense and trying to force things to Hopkins when it ain't working. Who is the receivers coach? Are we liable to get a scapegoat soon?
What's it gonna take for McNair to get tired of being laughed at on national tv?