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Who is your top 2017 NFL draft eligible QB?

Texian

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My top QB is Rosen UCLA
My top draft eligible QB is Chad Kelly
and Ryan Burns was pretty impressive in Stanford's game winning drive.
 
I don't have a 1st round grade on any QB's this year. Not a good year to be looking for a franchise guy.

Gun to my head I'll say Brad Kaaya from Miami because I think he has a higher floor than Kelly and Watson.
 
Rosen looks like a QB that can go through his progressions.
It will be interesting to watch him further.

Ryan Burns... There are a lot to like about him, except that he seems to be a one/two read QB (which is the norm for most college QBs and even quite a few NFL QBs).
His footwork is great.
I hope he shortens his throwing a bit after the season when he has time to work on it.
He's gotten a partial strip on one play near his own end zone in one game that could have been disastrous.
But his pre-snap read is good.
I saw him beat cover one, cover two, and cover three soundly in one game.
Seems to be a smart guy that understand zone coverage.
 
76Texan said:
Rosen looks like a QB that can go through his progressions.
That's quite impressive for his age.
It will be interesting to watch him further.

Ryan Burns... There are a lot to like about him, except that he seems to be a one/two read QB (which is the norm for most college QBs and even quite a few NFL QBs).
His footwork is great.
I hope he shortens his throwing a bit after the season when he has time to work on it.
He's gotten a partial strip on one play near his own end zone in one game that could have been disastrous.
But his pre-snap read is good.
I saw him beat cover one, cover two, and cover three soundly in one game.
Seems to be a smart guy that understand zone coverage.
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Deshone Kizer also looks interesting.

As opposed to Bursn, who plays in a Pro system, Kizer runs the spread at Notre Dame.

Within this system, the QB doesn't have the natural time in practice to train his footwork. They are used to be near a stand-up upright position from the shotgun and don't take many drop back steps.
I think this hurts his accuracy, but with time, it can become more consistent.
(And obviously, he also needs to learn to play from under center.)

On the plus side, these QBs get more practices in throwing from a muddy situation when under pressure, without being able to step into the throw.

In the case of Kiner, I also notice that he can go through his multiple reads fairly well, and seems to have football acumen (IQ).

Whether he can adapt to the next level is the million-dollar question, but IMO, he's another interesting prospect.
 
I really like Seth Russell.

If available in the 4th rd Smith should pick him.

Strong arm/accurate/very mobile

Let him sit and learn for a few yrs and you may have something.
 
steelbtexan said:
I really like Seth Russell.

If available in the 4th rd Smith should pick him.

Strong arm/accurate/very mobile

Let him sit and learn for a few yrs and you may have something.
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Very raw.
Mostly a pre-determined play or one-read.
He looks accurate because a fair number of the times, the receivers get open. On the other balls, they are often tossed-ups.
Too much of a project at QB, IMO.
Footwork had improved from last year, but still a way to go.

But if that video of his personal combine is true, and with hand size at 10", I don't mind working him out at WR and spending a 4th if there's any potential there at all (ie., not sure about his hips; whether they are loose enough to make the shift/cut on the routes.)
He looks to be quite athletic despite being rangy and all.
I think he can put on 15-20 lbs without losing much speed.
He's currently around 6'3, 220.
 
76Texan said:
Deshone Kizer also looks interesting.

As opposed to Bursn, who plays in a Pro system, Kizer runs the spread at Notre Dame.

Within this system, the QB doesn't have the natural time in practice to train his footwork. They are used to be near a stand-up upright position from the shotgun and don't take many drop back steps.
I think this hurts his accuracy, but with time, it can become more consistent.
(And obviously, he also needs to learn to play from under center.)

On the plus side, these QBs get more practices in throwing from a muddy situation when under pressure, without being able to step into the throw.

In the case of Kiner, I also notice that he can go through his multiple reads fairly well, and seems to have football acumen (IQ).

Whether he can adapt to the next level is the million-dollar question, but IMO, he's another interesting prospect.
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76Texan said:
Very raw.
Mostly a pre-determined play or one-read.
He looks accurate because a fair number of the times, the receivers get open. On the other balls, they are often tossed-ups.
Too much of a project at QB, IMO.
Footwork had improved from last year, but still a way to go.

But if that video of his personal combine is true, and with hand size at 10", I don't mind working him out at WR and spending a 4th if there's any potential there at all (ie., not sure about his hips; whether they are loose enough to make the shift/cut on the routes.)
He looks to be quite athletic despite being rangy and all.
I think he can put on 15-20 lbs without losing much speed.
He's currently around 6'3, 220.
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Tell me what you see as a difference between Kizer/Russell?

They both run basically the same offense, both have strong arms/mobile and are accurate. The only difference btween the 2 to me is Kizer has more talent to work with at Notre Dame. Also Kizer will be drafted in the 1st rd. Russell will be drafted much later.
 
steelbtexan said:
Tell me what you see as a difference between Kizer/Russell?

They both run basically the same offense, both have strong arms/mobile and are accurate. The only difference btween the 2 to me is Kizer has more talent to work with at Notre Dame. Also Kizer will be drafted in the 1st rd. Russell will be drafted much later.
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The offenses are actually drastically different. The only similarity they share is that they spread you out.
 
steelbtexan said:
Tell me what you see as a difference between Kizer/Russell?

They both run basically the same offense, both have strong arms/mobile and are accurate. The only difference btween the 2 to me is Kizer has more talent to work with at Notre Dame. Also Kizer will be drafted in the 1st rd. Russell will be drafted much later.
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There are a few differences that I had noted above.

I saw Kizer going through multiple reads on occasions (scanning the entire field purposefully) while Russell is only asked to read 1/3 to 1/2 of the field.

Not saying that Russell won't be able to in the future, just that we don't know if he'll be able too.

Also, I noticed that Kizer were able to keep his eyes down field more on the scramble.
He's a bit closer to Cam Newton at Auburn (but Newton was under center once in a while and looks to be more athletic).

On the surface, it may look like the same offense, but they have differences.

What Newton ran under Gus Malzhan was also different.
They sometimes have 3 backs in the backfield. (A mix of the triple option with Bill Yeoman's veer with the spread.)
They have a guy listed as HB, functioning as a QB at times.

Notre Dame has more of a traditional TE that also flex.
They have about ten TEs in the NFL recently.

Until he was gone, Briles' TE at Baylor is more of a gimmicky, seldom used as a weapon type.

So yes, they are all different.
 
Thanks John,

I still belive Russel has the physical ability and can learn to read defenses as well as Kizer. He's just more of a project than Kizer. Hence the difference between a top 10 pick and a 3rd/4th rd project.
 
steelbtexan said:
Thanks John,

I still belive Russell has the physical ability and can learn to read defenses as well as Kizer. He's just more of a project than Kizer. Hence the difference between a top 10 pick and a 3rd/4th rd project.
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I agreed.

Was just saying that Russell is more of a project, that's all.
 
My very early draft prognostication is with the 1st pick in the 2017 NFL draft, the Cleveland Browns selects Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville.
 
WolverineFan said:
Wouldn't be surprised to see Kizer (redshirt soph) surge ahead of Watson on most boards. They are both raw and play in QB friendly offenses but he has the prototype size that Watson doesn't have.
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He's also demonstrated a lot more ability to make progressive reads downfield and deliver the ball into a window.

Watson might be able to do that also. But Clemson's offense doesn't ask him to.
 
PHILLYTEXANFAN said:
Cooper Rush from Central Michigan anyone??
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I mentioned Rush in the Brock for MVP thread a couple days ago. He is my favorite quarterback from this class and I believe he has a Carson Wentz type rise once he gets into meetings, pre-draft routines, combine, etc etc. He has a compact throwing motion and his accuracy/feel is uncanny. He just throws to spots over and over and the receiver just appears. One of the most impressive quarterbacks in regards to accuracy I have seen in a few years. And that's not due to scheme ALA Mariota and simple reads/throws. Rush is the primary reason Central Michigan wins these games over the higher touted teams. I would love to see him in Houston but after the investment in Oz and how I believe he will shoot up boards, expect to see him in Cleveland, Chicago, possibly New Orleans as Brees heir apparent which would be a perfect fit for him.
 
WolverineFan said:
Austin Allen and Jake Browning only two guys on that list not playing in a spread offense. Keep an eye on both.
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Again I say for those who haven't looked check out Cooper Rush. Pro style system where he directs traffic at the line, makes offensive line calls, hand signals to hot route receivers, left/right run option, two-three audibles per play based on his reads. I know college coaches want to win and 63-56 scores are fun and all, but I do miss seeing college guys being asked to do what the professionals do. One of the reasons quarterbacks are so hit and miss. Run to the line, let the coach make the read, set, back off and let coach spoon feed you audible or tell you to go ahead with original call, set and hike. Just awful for quarterback growth.
 
WolverineFan said:
Austin Allen and Jake Browning only two guys on that list not playing in a spread offense. Keep an eye on both.
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I use to subscribe to the, oh they play in a spread offense so I need to discount them. I've learned through Dak Prescott and Paxton Lynch that you need to learn to see through that. I now have to ask the question, just because they play in a spread offense does that mean they can't be a good pro style QB???? or can they??? do they have the right tools to be successful in the NFL regardless of the system they are in???? With Lynch and Prescott's it appears that they both are better pro style QBs even thou they played in a spread in college. I absolutely hated the system Lynch was in so I wrote him off completely. I now know that's the wrong thing to do. Judge the player not the system.
 
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PHILLYTEXANFAN said:
Cooper Rush from Central Michigan anyone??
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I haven't seen him play but I did make the effort to study his stats. From that perspective playing at a 2nd tier school I would expect to see a higher completion percentage and a better TD to INT ratio. That said his stats also show that Cooper has been getting better each and every year. From my point of view I like to see from a top premier FBS QB a completion percentage close to 70% and a TD to INT ratio > 3.
 
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Texian said:
I use to subscribe to the, oh they play in a spread offense so I need to discount them. I've learned through Dak Prescott and Paxton Lynch that you need to learn to see through that. I now have to ask the question, just because they play in a spread offense does that mean they can't be a good pro style QB???? or can they??? do they have the right tools to be successful in the NFL regardless of the system they are in???? With Lynch and Prescott's it appears that they both are better pro style QBs even thou they played in a spread in college. I absolutely hated the system Lynch was in so I wrote him off completely. I now know that's the wrong thing to do. Judge the player not the system.
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I'm not saying discount the spread guys. I'm saying pay special attention to the pro style guys who are producing at the same level.
 
The 2018 NFL Draft with Browning, Jackson and Rosen eligible as Juniors, next year is setting up very nicely as the Year of the Quarterback.
 
Texian said:
The 2018 NFL Draft with Browning, Jackson and Rosen eligible as Juniors, next year is setting up very nicely as the Year of the Quarterback.
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I don't see it with Jackson. Looks like VY 2.0 to me. Phenomenal college player but not anywhere near accurate enough to be an NFL QB. Rosen has all the physical tools but has attitude and intangibles issues. I get a serious Leaf/Cutler vibe from him. I like Browning a lot but his size (6-2, 205) will work against him. He's very skinny.
 
WolverineFan said:
I don't see it with Jackson. Looks like VY 2.0 to me. Phenomenal college player but not anywhere near accurate enough to be an NFL QB. Rosen has all the physical tools but has attitude and intangibles issues. I get a serious Leaf/Cutler vibe from him. I like Browning a lot but his size (6-2, 205) will work against him. He's very skinny.
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If they do come out they will be Juniors and a BIG knock against Juniors is they have a high rate of failure. Not mentally or physically ready for the NFL. Better if they can sit for a year two like Rodgers. Browning is Montana size and shares the one quality that made Walsh fall in love with Montana, he is very light on his feet. For a QB like Montana, Browning is another Ballerina.

Right now the problem I have with Rosen is you want to see steady improvement each and every year they are in college. So far Rosen's 2016 is pretty much like his 2015 and his 2015 had better results.

I need to see Jackson against some of the better defenses. Johnny Football was the best college football player I've ever watched. However his two games against LSU told me all I needed to know about his playing on Sundays.
 
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76Texan said:
Actually, I caught the replay of the Cowboys - Rams game last night, and Rush looked pretty good.
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Against the Rams/Colts second and or third team, Rush is 17-20 with 3 touchdowns and 0 interceptions. One of the incompletions was a drop on a perfectly thrown ball to Gathers on a 10 yard dig. Watch the pocket poise and how quickly he diagnoses the defense. One telling play against Indy he has a bad snap exchange, regathered, rolls right and finds his WR on a 10-12 yard out with a strike on the far side of the field. To find that man after the bad snap and to make that throw told me it's not too fast for him. Also please watch all three touchdown throws in those two games to see wonderfully placed throws where only his guy can make a play. Super impressed early on.

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