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sprtsfanatic said:regardless of which team I dont think we trade down past the #4 spot. So that leaves the Titans and Jets as the most probable, but not sure we want to trade our pick to the titans being a division rival....
I like your scenario but according to their needs who would they take and what would we be left to pick from?corrosion said:The Jets are the most likely trade partner I think , Mainly because they are interested in both Lienart and Bush and moving up to #1 they would have options .... On the Texans side they would not have to pay the approximate $9million per that the #1 pick is going to want and still have their chouce of the best OT, LB , CB and DE in the draft .
As for trading down w/ the Titan's I wouldnt mind mainly because they would take on a huge contract for one and would also be giving up multiple picks for one player ....The Titans have multiple holes to fill and giving up multiple picks for the #1 would make it more difficult for them to do so .... I would take no less than the #3 overall this years #2 and next years #1 giving the Texans the 3rd overall , 33 , 35 , 66 , 67(from NO) for first day picks and two #1's next season . Five picks in the top 67 could go a long way in filling some of their many holes.
sprtsfanatic said:I like your scenario but according to their needs who would they take and what would we be left to pick from?
I completely agreeArlingtonTexan said:Logiacally, none of these guys should trade up.
Bolded section 1- You absolutely do not trade down for less than market value. The Texans should not take less than the Giants gave to San diego under any circumstances. What happens when some team sees the Texans drop and that team jumps in front of Houston and drafts Ferguson? Say bush, Young , Ferguson go 1-2-3. Ya think that would go over well.Hottoddie said:As for not being able to get fair market value for the #1 overall pick, if you've got a player that you really want, & you know that he'll be there after the 3rd pick, wouldn't taking any deal in the 11th hour that nets you extra compensation & still allows you to get the player you want be a good move? In other words, if the best deal you could get was the Jets #4 pick & a mid-round pick, would you turn it down? It still gives you an extra pick, while reducing the salary you have to pay to your #1 pick.
By the way, for the record, I do believe we'll get some nice compensation for the #1 pick. It just, might not agree with the value chart that keeps floating around.
If we were to trade with the Jets (who are picking 4th), the bare minimum wehoustonhurricane said:The farthest down we go is with the Jets and I don't think they are going to be willing to give up what we would need to grab our pick.
nunusguy said:If we were to trade with the Jets (who are picking 4th), the bare minimum we
should receive for our #1 overall is all 3 of their first day picks.
But I see no need to stay within the top 5, actually not even the top 10. This
is a good Draft for OTs, with maybe half a dozen valued at or near first round
picks. If we were to trade farther down (say mid first round), to somebody who has "got to have Reggie", we should be able to get all of their 2006 picks
plus some of their first day picks in '07.
http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=283621. Trade to New York Jets for Jets 4th overall pick, 2007 1st round pick, and 2006 3rd round pick.
2. With 4th Overall Draft D'Brickishaw Ferguson - OT
Its been a while, but about 8 or 10 years ago SanFran offered up all their picks for the #1 pick (I can't even remember who it was). But, the offer was rejected because it wasn't enough.ensign_lee said:Are you kidding? NOBODY will trade away "all of their 2006 picks" for one pick. Moreover, I seriously doubt that anybody will even give us their 1st, second, and third rounders THIS year.
What's probably more reasonable is to swap first round picks, get their first pick in 2007 and either A) their second pick in 2007 or B) their third or fourth pick this year.
Nobody in their right mind, save Matt Millen will give up their entire draft for ONE unproven player, so say that we should accept nothing less than ALL of somebody's first day picks is not realistic.
Hey man, I don't make the numbers up, other people who do that for a living. Just take a look at the link I've included that's got one persons chart that includes a numeric value for each pick and do the math for a hypothetical trade, its simple. Its in the ball park with other charts you could find out there.ensign_lee said:Are you kidding? NOBODY will trade away "all of their 2006 picks" for one pick. Moreover, I seriously doubt that anybody will even give us their 1st, second, and third rounders THIS year.
Does anyone remeber what the Saints gave up to get the Redskins 1st round pick and Ricky Williams? I know it was a lot. And remember Casserly was the GM that got that out of the Saints. Food for thought........ensign_lee said:Are you kidding? NOBODY will trade away "all of their 2006 picks" for one pick. Moreover, I seriously doubt that anybody will even give us their 1st, second, and third rounders THIS year.
What's probably more reasonable is to swap first round picks, get their first pick in 2007 and either A) their second pick in 2007 or B) their third or fourth pick this year.
Nobody in their right mind, save Matt Millen will give up their entire draft for ONE unproven player, so say that we should accept nothing less than ALL of somebody's first day picks is not realistic.
4Texans said:Does anyone remeber what the Saints gave up to get the Redskins 1st round pick and Ricky Williams? I know it was a lot. And remember Casserly was the GM that got that out of the Saints. Food for thought........
I'd go farther. You cant give 1st pick money to a WR. they do not get the ball enough to justify it. Only a Qb(who gets the ball every play) or a RB who will run the ball 20X a game desarves that kind of money.sprtsfanatic said:and the answer is NO...there is now way you can give 1st pick money to a lineman. It would HAVE to be a "SKILL POSITION" player ie. QB, RB, WR.
Just so I'm sure I'm reading this right, in a hypothetical trade with the Jets, we should get their 1st round (1800 points), their 2nd (540 points), their 4th (100 points) and their 2nd in 2007 (540 points) totalling 2980 points?nunusguy said:Hey man, I don't make the numbers up, other people who do that for a living. Just take a look at the link I've included that's got one persons chart that includes a numeric value for each pick and do the math for a hypothetical trade, its simple. Its in the ball park with other charts you could find out there.
http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/pick_value_chart.htm
Agreed. I don't see the Titans trading up, as they can get Leinart or Vince at #3, but if for some reason they want to trade up and give us a real nice deal and we can steal some picks from them and return the favor for the Babin deal then I'm all for it, and we could likely still get Bush there. I'm not sure the Jets will trade up, they may need a QB or they could be looking at Bush to replace Curtis Martin, but at the same time they can stay at #4 and either get Cutler there or Omar Jacobs in the 2nd round as competition/replacement for Pennington, or they could get DeAngelo Williams or LenDale White as a replacement for Martin, or they could grab D'Brick and help their OLine, so I'm not sure they trade up (I've checked their message boards and the predominant idea there is to either grab D'Brick or try to trade down). However, they are going to be way over the cap and have to get rid of some guys, so in one sense they would have a harder time affording the #1 pick's contract, but at the same time they could trade off some guys (John Abraham and maybe more) to clear cap room and at least get something in return for it if they really like Bush. If we can get a trade from them, we better get this year's 1st and 2nd, and either next year's 1st and 3rd or next year's 2nd and 3rd and John Abraham. Then at #4 we could either grab D'Brick or Mario Williams (Mario and Abraham together at DEs would be nice for our 4-3, it could be up there with Peppers/Rucker and Strahan/Umenyiora as the best DE tandem in the league). I would still prefer Eric Winston to D'Brick, so hopefully he'll end up falling to #33 (I doubt he will), or maybe we can package something and move back into the 1st round to get him (more possible if we trade down and acquire those extra picks).houstonhurricane said:You both raise interesting points/topics. The problem is that we wouldn't trade down past four and the Saints/Titans would most likely have qb needs over Bush (unlike us). Therefore, it leaves the Jets who have so many needs (and a rookie coach) that they may not be willing to give us value for the overall number one pick. Thus, at that point we would be looking at the Raiders, etc. and I think that is too far down the line for us to make a move. Thus, I think it is either Bush or D'Brick (if the Jets offer enough). Don't see it happening, though.
the first person to make sense. i don't think kube has ever drafted above 15 plus you need don't need a qb rb or an overpriced ol. kube will bring in a quality ol coach who can work with good ol to work as a team. trade down far down and maybe get a quality vet or two load up on draft picks mostly on defense. secondly who cares about a broken bush behind the existing ol, or young who won't translate well to the big boys leage,thirdly the top ol ever taken probably don't work well with zone blocking schemes. you have a coach who understands development and not just picking up the fashionable pic of the weeknunusguy said:If we were to trade with the Jets (who are picking 4th), the bare minimum we
should receive for our #1 overall is all 3 of their first day picks.
But I see no need to stay within the top 5, actually not even the top 10. This
is a good Draft for OTs, with maybe half a dozen valued at or near first round
picks. If we were to trade farther down (say mid first round), to somebody who has "got to have Reggie", we should be able to get all of their 2006 picks
plus some of their first day picks in '07.
The Texans are going to have a hard enough time getting a worthwhile trade out of a team in the top 5-10, I don't see any team in the 20-30 range coming up with an offer good enough to make it worth a trade down, plus you don't get to pick at #1 very often (at least hopefully you don't), so you should at least get out of there with a top-level player, whether it's drafting someone like Reggie Bush at #1 or trading down to #4/5 and getting Mario Williams or someone like that. I don't see any team being able to come up with a hefty enough trade to get up to #1, they would have to offer too much to make equal value and they'd never do it. The only way you could possibly get down that far is to make multiple incremental trades, like going #1 to #4/5, then trading again to #8-10, then again to #15-20, but I don't see us being able to piece together something like that and I don't see that many teams looking to give away much to move up 3-4 spots in the draft. It sounds like a nice concept, but realistically it won't happen.bronxbengalsnowtexans said:the first person to make sense. i don't think kube has ever drafted above 15 plus you need don't need a qb rb or an overpriced ol. kube will bring in a quality ol coach who can work with good ol to work as a team. trade down far down and maybe get a quality vet or two load up on draft picks mostly on defense. secondly who cares about a broken bush behind the existing ol, or young who won't translate well to the big boys leage,thirdly the top ol ever taken probably don't work well with zone blocking schemes. you have a coach who understands development and not just picking up the fashionable pic of the week