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Texans | Sherman heading to town for an interview
Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:37:10 -0800

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports a source said former Green Bay Packers head coach Mike Sherman was en route to Houston for an interview with new Texans head coach Gary Kubiak. Sherman is being considered for the job of offensive line coach and assistant head coach under Kubiak. "Do I think he'd take it?" a source with knowledge of Sherman's situation said. "Oh, yeah. Why not? Why would you go down?"


Better then Santa if you ask me.
 
I'm very hesitant to celebrate Sherman coming for an interview as our OL coach...Let's not forget how bad their line looked last year, and they actually have a few good players on theirs...Also, it seems to me that if Kubiak is going to try to implement Denver's zone blocking scheme here, it would be advantageous to get someone in here who is a zone blocking guru *cough* Alex Gibbs *cough*...Sherman does bring an attitude of winning with him though, and if you're looking for a "big name" hire, there aren't many bigger names available than his...
 
Consisdering that they lost two probowl caliber guards, then replaced them with a rookie and a rotation at LG, not to mention that Favre has lost about five steps in the last two years. Of course they looked bad.
 
Yes the Packers line was a little shaky this year, but you also have to take into account they lost their best lineman to free agency during the offseason, so they had first time starters on the line. Taking that into account they still did a decent job and a helleva lot better then the Texan Oline
 
F-minus67 said:
Consisdering that they lost two probowl caliber guards, then replaced them with a rookie and a rotation at LG, not to mention that Favre has lost about five steps in the last two years. Of course they looked bad.
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damn you beat me to it. :)
 
D-ReK said:
I'm very hesitant to celebrate Sherman coming for an interview as our OL coach...Let's not forget how bad their line looked last year, and they actually have a few good players on theirs...Also, it seems to me that if Kubiak is going to try to implement Denver's zone blocking scheme here, it would be advantageous to get someone in here who is a zone blocking guru *cough* Alex Gibbs *cough*...Sherman does bring an attitude of winning with him though, and if you're looking for a "big name" hire, there aren't many bigger names available than his...
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Their O line last season consisted of Mark Tauscher, Will Whitticker, Mike Flanagan, Scott Walls, and Chad Clifton. Their O line allowed 35 sacks and Samkon Gado off of the practice squad rushed for almost 600 yards in 8 games behind their offensive line, and that was without Mike Wahle and Marco Rivera.
 
F-minus67 said:
Consisdering that they lost two probowl caliber guards, then replaced them with a rookie and a rotation at LG, not to mention that Favre has lost about five steps in the last two years. Of course they looked bad.
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I'm well aware of the fact that they lost Rivera and Wahle, which of course contributed to them looking bad...I should've included that in my original post...

The fact remains, though, that there appears to be a fundamental difference between Kubiak and Sherman, and if our line is supposed to learn Denver's scheme, wouldn't it be better to have someone who has ran a zone blocking line before teach it to them?
 
Im thinking along the same lines D-Rek.. this isnt exactly what I was hoping for in relation to our Oline. I was hoping to get someone who could turn our line around in a hurry. Sherman does have a good deal of experience with Olines though.. maybe he could do something for us. I mean... Houck(sp?) isnt a zone blocking specialist.. but he does some amazing stuff with Olines.

Im gonna stay positive about it.. but it isnt what I was hoping for.
 
Sitting here thinking about this. Anyone else find it odd that Sherman, a head coach/executive VP for the Packers who led the Pack to 5 straight winning seasons and 4 consecutive playoff appearances would even consider coming here to be an assistand head coach/offensive line coach?
 
texan279 said:
Sitting here thinking about this. Anyone else find it odd that Sherman, a head coach/executive VP for the Packers who led the Pack to 5 straight winning seasons and 4 consecutive playoff appearances would even consider coming here to be an assistand head coach/offensive line coach?
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Will the offensive line coach rank higher or lower than the offensive coordinator? What about the defensive coordinator?

I'm not sure I like the co-defensive coordinator thing Kubiak was going for either. This all sounds like something an inexperienced head coach might come up with. I hope this guy isn't already starting to show signs of questionable judgment. This is how I felt about Casserly in the beginning.
 
texan279 said:
Sitting here thinking about this. Anyone else find it odd that Sherman, a head coach/executive VP for the Packers who led the Pack to 5 straight winning seasons and 4 consecutive playoff appearances would even consider coming here to be an assistand head coach/offensive line coach?
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I think Sherman must have a ton of respect for Kubiak. Plus, he's a football coach who wants to stay active in the game. I'd welcome him with open arms.
 
Didn't the Packers give Sherman an extension prior to start of season? Kubiak and Sherman worked together at A&M in'92/'93. I read Sherman turned down OC jobs with Bills and one other team. I hope we talk to Jerry Gray about DC.
 
Lucky said:
I think Sherman must have a ton of respect for Kubiak. Plus, he's a football coach who wants to stay active in the game. I'd welcome him with open arms.
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Don't get me wrong, I would absolutely love to have Sherman here. It just seems odd for some reason.
 
My first thought was why would someone that could maybe land a head coaching job and defientally could be a coordinator somewhere want to coach our offensive line? Then I remember how big of an ego most of these NFL coaches have. Imagine the rep around the league Sherman would get if he could make our line go from worst to first?

These are exciting times to be a Texan!
 
Hoth-Boy said:
http://www.nflfans.com/draft/article...60127064629841

texman8 posted this in the NFL news section.

Says Sherman is coming here for the OC job.
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# AP reports former Green Bay Packers head coach Mike Sherman turned down offers from the Buffalo Bills & New York Jets to interview for their vacant offensive coordinator position. Houston Texans head coach Gary Kubiak may hire former Green Bay Packers head coach Mike Sherman as the team's assistant head coach/offensive line.
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The article says assistant head coach/offensive line, not OC...Maybe we could get Alex Gibbs to be our OC? Maybe I should just give up hope of us getting him...That would be too perfect...
 
D-ReK said:
The article says assistant head coach/offensive line, not OC...Maybe we could get Alex Gibbs to be our OC? Maybe I should just give up hope of us getting him...That would be too perfect...
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You're right, my bad. Which means it's my bed time.
 
I could see Sherman taking the OC post but taking the OL position... I think it's too big a step down. Kubiak has Reeves there to help guide him. Crazy thought, wonder if Kubes could talk Mark Schlerath off the radio / tv and onto the sideline as the OL coach??? MS seems to be a very intelligent individual who knows the zone blocking scheme and seems pretty easy to get along with. Who knows, he might make a helleva coach.
 
All and all, if he does come here its a positive thing. Remember, Sherman coached Favre through superbowls. Kubiak was just in the AFC Championship and went and won Superbowls with Elway.

These guys have surrounded themselves in winning organizations and winning players. This is a positive sign that should only be interprited as the right thing to do.

If Sherman does become the offensive coordinator remember that Kubiak IS still the head coach. So I'm sure what type offense and play calling will still run through him. And as far as the offensive line coaching is concerned: we need as much help as we can get.
 
I agree TEXANS84. My concern was Shermans willingness to work that far down the totem poll. How does he react when Kubes makes a decision he does not agree with??? Finally, I'm curious to see if Sherman can check his ego at the door and really help Kubes become a successful Head Coach. You know, Kubes failure could mean Sherm's the next man in line and Kubes success could mean a longer tenure as an Asst. Coach or he get's hired away after one season to be a HC elsewhere. Kubes needs to have coaches he can count on through the rebuilding process.
 
This is crazy.

People complain because Dom's coaches were kind of "cheap hires" and they should have gotten better coaches. Now Mike Sherman is coming down for an interview and people are still complaining. As 84 stated before, he is coming from a winning organization. Why wouldn't we want him? I want an all star cast of coaches instilling a winning attitude in this organization.
 
sakebomb said:
People complain because Dom's coaches were kind of "cheap hires" and they should have gotten better coaches. Now Mike Sherman is coming down for an interview and people are still complaining. As 84 stated before, he is coming from a winning organization. Why wouldn't we want him? I want an all star cast of coaches instilling a winning attitude in this organization.
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I could not have said it better myself. At a minimum...a move like this helps with the credibility of the Texans. I think it would be a great move for us. In addition...it further proves that Bob Mcnair is willing to do almost anything to get us a winning franchise.

Bring it...
 
there is no way Sherman could be worse than Pendry. I say bring in who Kubes wants since all the you can bring guys you want talk has stopped. Coaches are going with the you cant take my coaches stand, so whoever is out there that is qualified we should bring em.
 
Assistant HC are higher on the totem poll then OCs. But most NFL OCs are already Assistant HCs. Pretty much teams will have Asst. HC Offense and Asst. HC Defense. They are just back up to the HC. Alot of excoaches have done the same thing. When Jim Fassel was fired from NY he went to Baltimore as an Asst. HC/QB coach. Then he finally took the OC job as well. It usually goes HC, Asst. HC, OC/DC, then the posistion coaches. But some OC/DCs are Assistant HCs. I hope this isn't to hard to figure out.


Koobs was also Asst. HC.
 
Buffi2 said:
This may be a dumb question - but I thought Troy Calhoun was going to be the OC. Can there be two OC's?
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Sherman is going to be Asst. HC Offense. Calhoun will still be OC, but he will work under both Koobs and Sherman.
 
texan279 said:
Sitting here thinking about this. Anyone else find it odd that Sherman, a head coach/executive VP for the Packers who led the Pack to 5 straight winning seasons and 4 consecutive playoff appearances would even consider coming here to be an assistand head coach/offensive line coach?
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I have a take on this.
What would be the ultimate payback in this business? Taking another team to the next level. Revenge is sweet, even on a professional level. :stirpot:

There are not many jobs out there for the retreads this season. Most teams are looking for new and younger talent and while Sherman IS younger, he is still used goods. But, put with an up and coming SuperCoach:superman: , he can still make some good cash and retain his good name in coaching circles. He wasn't going to land a HC job anyway, might as well settle for the next best thing...and take the Texans to the SB while thumbing his nose at the GB brass. :redtowel:
 
On Sherman taking a job, it is better for a coach to be involved in the league in some way for a year or two than merely collect his check from Packers. This assume his desire is to be a head coach somewhere.
 
TEXANS84 said:
If Sherman does become the offensive coordinator remember that Kubiak IS still the head coach. So I'm sure what type offense and play calling will still run through him. And as far as the offensive line coaching is concerned: we need as much help as we can get.
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From what I've read, Kubiak will be calling all offensive plays a HC. This, in itself, is an exciting development for the team. Capers always seemed passive and reactive during games, so having a HC that is directly involved with what's happening on the field is a positive step, IMO.

A guy like Sherman is good enough to coach many different schemes, and many different positions. What you get with him is a solid foundation of teaching fundamentals, which the previous staff seemed to have overlooked. It is this attention to details that helps to build a winning team.
 
I think this is what is wrong with the NFL. Coaches are being fired too quickly in my opinion. Cowher somehow has survived as one of the NFL's longest tenured coaches despite have a couple of 6-10 records and never winning a Super Bowl. Go figure, but if the owner hadn't of had the gusto to stick it out over time they wouldn't be as successful a franchise as they are today. My point is even though I feel Capers would have been fired eventually, they may have fired him too soon. His team progressed every year until last year, I think that a coach deserves at least one bad year before not getting fired. Which leads me back to Sherman. Sherman had 2 back to back seasons of 10-6 and 2 12-4 seasons before that. He then has a bad season at 4-12 and get's fired?? I don't get that especially after his #1 reciever and running back goes on IR for the year and they lose 2 offensive linemen. How is that bad coaching? If we brought in Sherman as OC there is no excuse for Carr or Casserly to get this offensive into the top 10.
 
I hope they don't bring Sherman here, as a Packers fan I can honestly say he single handley blew the Packers chances of going to the NFC title game a few years back when he chose to punt the ball, instead of going for it on 4th and inches......his decision making is suspect some of the times.
 
The Dream said:
I hope they don't bring Sherman here, as a Packers fan I can honestly say he single handley blew the Packers chances of going to the NFC title game a few years back when he chose to punt the ball, instead of going for it on 4th and inches......his decision making is suspect some of the times.
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From what I have seen packer fans have a pretty blind hatred of Sherman and pretty much were waiting for a reason to fire him. The next objective take on Sherman I see from Packer fans will be the first.
 
Main point: Kubiak and Sherman have worked together before. That is the most important point to ALL of the hirings.
 
Sherman's overall record is a great one to be on staff in any fashion.

We are really getting set up here guys. Having someone of his caliber is nothing but a positive thing. Now, if we get Jim Bates on the defensive side of the ball...well then we just have ourselves a Packers staff (not a bad thing) under a Broncos staff now dont we? People in charge from two teams with winning traditions....that doesnt sound that bad to me.
 
The Dream said:
I hope they don't bring Sherman here, as a Packers fan I can honestly say he single handley blew the Packers chances of going to the NFC title game a few years back when he chose to punt the ball, instead of going for it on 4th and inches......his decision making is suspect some of the times.
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Maybe he's just not cut out as a head coach, and that situation just described is a head coaching decision. He is being brought in to coach the Oline and bring some insight into the offensive scheming with Kubiak. Sounds like a great move to me.
 
Johnny Utah said:
Maybe he's just not cut out as a head coach, and that situation just described is a head coaching decision. He is being brought in to coach the Oline and bring some insight into the offensive scheming with Kubiak. Sounds like a great move to me.
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Exactly. We all give Dom Capers the benefit of the doubt as a defensive coordinator, and all agree he's not a good HC. So why can't Sherman be the same way? Good assistant, but just can't be the full package. Most fired head coaches end up as assistant coaches, so it makes sense to me.
 
http://www.packers.com/team/coaches/sherman_mike/


Over the course of the past five years, the Packers assuredly have taken on the personality of their head coach. Always well prepared with a painstaking eye on detail, Sherman's troops have been among the league's least penalized teams in three of his seasons, ranking third in 2003 following fifth- and eighth-place finishes in 2000 and 2001, respectively.

Those traits assuredly have aided them in negating a recent Achilles' heel for the team: winning in dome stadiums. In 2004, the Packers went 3-1 in their four games played indoors. Sherman also has posted a 3-2 record, including wins the past two years, inside the Metrodome, where Green Bay had gone 1-7 in quarterback Brett Favre's first eight trips to Minneapolis.

A big proponent of the importance of family, Sherman constantly works hard to ensure a strong sense of camaraderie within the Green Bay locker room. Fostered through such things as dodge ball tournaments and bowling events during mini-camps as well as by tongue-in-cheek videos that poke fun at players and coaches alike during the season, the Packers' tremendous harmony shows itself on the field. "You have to be able to laugh as a team - nothing creates cohesion and unity better than humor," said Sherman.

Sherman also is not afraid to try unconventional approaches to everyday matters, such as excusing Favre from this past offseason's mandatory mini-camp and all other organized team activities in an effort to fuel the 15-year veteran's passion for the game.
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A 27-year veteran of the coaching profession, Mike Sherman has coached at every level - high school, college and professional - over his varied career. He was associated in tutoring eight bowl teams during 16 seasons in the college ranks prior to being named to the Green Bay staff in 1997 by Holmgren. Returning as head coach, he brought with him, among other assets, an intimate knowledge of the 'West Coast' offense in which Favre has flourished over the past 13 years, becoming the National Football League's first three-time 'Most Valuable Player' in the process.

Beyond that, however, he came to his responsibilities with a highly developed agenda for returning the Packers to NFL heights following a one-year absence in 1999, when Green Bay fell short of the playoffs for the first time in seven years with an 8-8 record.

"I feel very confident in what I want to get done here," Sherman let it be known from the outset. "Right from the beginning, I wanted to be organized, structured and disciplined, both with the players and coaches. I want to generate a genuine concern with the team for each other. I think that it is important that the chemistry factor on our team is where it should be in order for us to have success
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He's been offered the job:

Texans | Sherman offered a position
Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:15:07 -0800

ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports the Houston Texans have offered former Green Bay Packers head coach Mike Sherman a position on their coaching staff. He was offered the role of assistant head coach/offensive line.


Now it's just wait and see,
 
Johnny Utah said:
Maybe he's just not cut out as a head coach, and that situation just described is a head coaching decision. He is being brought in to coach the Oline and bring some insight into the offensive scheming with Kubiak. Sounds like a great move to me.
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Kind of reminds me of Norv Turner. Turner was always a good OC, but never seemed to cut it as a HC. Maybe the same is for coaches like Sherman.
 
sprtsfanatic said:
Im surprised no one has commented on the title of "assistant head coach"...

Whats that all about???
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I think it is a prestige thing. How else are you going to entice a former HC to become your O-line coach? You give him the honorary "Assistant HC" title. I also think Sherman's experience will help Kubiak in ways we aren't even aware of. Keep in mind this is Kubiak's first HC'ing gig on any level.
 
SESupergenius said:
Which leads me back to Sherman. Sherman had 2 back to back seasons of 10-6 and 2 12-4 seasons before that. He then has a bad season at 4-12 and get's fired?? I don't get that especially after his #1 reciever and running back goes on IR for the year and they lose 2 offensive linemen. How is that bad coaching? If we brought in Sherman as OC there is no excuse for Carr or Casserly to get this offensive into the top 10.
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I think it is a power struggle thing. I cannot remember by I think Ron Wolf hired Sherman. A new GM usually is looking for an excuse to bring "one of his guys" and a 4-12 season is just that. Unfortunately for the Packers, I think they got the worst new HC in the league. If I were a long-time coordinator or a tenured coach, I would be thinking "WTF"?
 
TheOgre said:
If I were a long-time coordinator or a tenured coach, I would be thinking "WTF"?
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Well, I think a lot of HC wannabe's (I mean that in the best possible way) shyed away from that job. I think a lot of them didn't want to be hand-cuffed by Favre, waiting till the last possible moment for him to make his decision whether or not he's coming back to the NFL.
 
What I am wondering too is this

Favre said he wanted to play for Sherman (maybe we get him :sarcasm: )

Think of the uproar in GB released Favre..

releasing Sherman doesn't quite means Favre will retire but it gets the ball rolling for retirement..meaning does Favre really want to learn a new system?
 
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