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Let me lay down my credentials. I grew up in Houston and grew up being a diehard Houston sports fan. I lived and breathed Oilers football and whenever they lost I was down until Wednesday. Even now that I live in New York I follow all the Houston sports teams via the internet and listen to Houston sports talk over the internet and I make it home often to attend at least 3 Texans games a year.

I have been around these message boards for a while. In fact I was on the LA Times message board starting around 1999 discussing the expansion process and one of the Houston posters even went to the Chicago for the owner's meeting. I was ecstatic when we were awarded another team and loved the logo (not really the name) and was excited about everything about our new team. I own field box PSLs with my family and have spent a lot of money on this team. I thought with McNair we would have a golden age of football in Houston and that we finally had the owner we always deserved.

Well things haven't worked out so well. We had one of the most incompetent coaching staffs in NFL history over the past 4 years. These guys should have been gone a long time ago. McNair has let Casserly and his Reign of Error destroy the expansion bounty of draft picks and free agents which should have laid a foundation for success for this team. He has not addressed the offensive line since the beginning and he has made egregious errors that all of us know about. I have hated his drafts since the beginning. I was fine with Carr at the time but the rest of his picks even in that first draft were average to terrible. That Casserly still has a job is ridiculous.

Basically, I love Houston and am a Houston homer all the way around. However, if the Texans pass on VY and pick Bush instead that will be the final nail in the coffin for me as a fan of this team. I have great amount of anger towards this team. I feel that McNair sticks with losers like Carr and Capers way too long and is not proactive enough. The albatross, Casserly, is not going to admit to his mistake with Carr. We have witnessed boring football and a try not to make the score not like bad while not trying to win attitude that drove me crazy.

If the Texans want to be the Texags and associate with the losing tradition of aggy football that is fine by me. But they won't have me as a fan and I will root against them with great vigor. I am not alone in this regard. Checkout hornfans.com and see what other Houston UT fans have to say about this. A team that will pass on VY who would recapture the excitement we all felt when we beat the Cowboys in the first game multiplied by ten and would rather keep Carr is no team of mine. This is such a no brainer yet these guys will screw it up. I am so angry and disheartened by this team. Y'all can have Kubiag and the rest of these losers while I won't have team anymore like when the Oilers left. I will root for whatever team VY is on and hope that he will kill the Texans.
 
there's the door...and i hope it hits you square in the rear on the way out

go check out other team's forums...people here are the only ones enamored with Vince
 
Aren't you the lawyer that talks about sueing them all of the time, or do I have you confused with another fair weather fan?
 
LATER

I went to UT, own PSL's and think VY is assume as well, but whatever management decides I am behind them. It would be a great story and I am sure he would be exciting to watch, but I personnally think QB is not our possition of greatest need.

Enjoy your new team: at least until they make a move you do not approve of...
 
your history with the Houston franchise is no more extensive or strenuous than thousands of other Houston fans. I imagine there are a good deal more people on this board who have an even greater history of Houston "fandom" than you.. and they make no threats of "quitting on the team" because a player they like may not be drafted.

This is a team sport, and if you arent capable of being a fan of the TEAM..then I recommend following a sport that is less cumbersome to your hero worship... like Tennis, Golf, Boxing, or Nascar.

In football.. a teams success depends on alot more than one player.. no matter what position he plays. Our staff will make the choice that is best for this team.. and if you cant accept that, then leave. You wont be missed.
 
You fail to realize McNair was a rookie Owner 4 years ago,and probably listened to alot of "Football savy experts".I think he learned his lesson and probably has a little more game sense than he did in 2002.So good luck with your VY.I am starting to wonder how Pro Football existed all these years without Vince.:stirpot:
 
I could get verbose, but I won't, because I would be wasting my time. Though I actually read your entire post against my better judgment, hoping to salvage one piece of useful information or sentiment that I had perhaps missed out on, alas I did not find it. Deuces to you and the horse you rode in on. I won't lose any sleep tonight.
 
You love VY because he is a good player that went to UT. You hate Kubiak because he went to A&M. Weak. Is there a point to this post other than as flamebait? :locked:
 
Bamboo said:
"Another ode to Vince Young played on a rusty trombone."

have you ever seen vince young play? the only thing that looks rusty are the defenders

Rose bowl
reggie bush 177 total yds
Vince Young 467 total yds

on the same field, it was obvious who carried leadership and his team, why would anyone NOT want that for the Texans??
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I don't think anyone has ever debated that VY isn't good/great, but this is a football decision not a decision about who you want to see.

Let's pick VY, trade our 2nd and 3rd and move back into the 1st and pick Huff then we can come back with our other 3rd and pick Thomas. Happy now???
 
Pray tell what have the Texans done to earn the various "superfans" on this board's undying loyalty. This is not the Oilers the team most of you grew up with. This is a new team that should be concerned about connecting with and making fans. I could never drop the Oilers because my love and devotion to them started when I was a kid and had withstood the ups and downs. Do you guys have any fond memories of guys like Moon, Jeffires, Childress, et al. leading the Texans to the playoffs. Hell no. Even the embarrassing **** about the Oilers were endearing to me like Jerry Glanville and Ladd Herzeg mooning a wedding in Buffalo.

I would think that as a NEW team the Texans would be concerned about not royally pissing off THOUSANDS of fans in their own city. I am not some blind VY homer who wants him here at all costs. If we had a Carson Palmer type at QB I would not be banging the drums for VY. Again, I can live with trading down. That probably makes the most sense football wise. However, if we want to be bold and go for the gold we would draft VY. The return will not be immediate but it will be sweeter in the end as he will take us to Super Bowl and win one for us. True Houston football fans know how much it would mean to us to make it the Super Bowl for the first time. We have been wanting to go forever. Stick with David Carr and you will be lucky to reach the playoffs instead of forming a dominant team.
 
TexansFight said:
I would think that as a NEW team the Texans would be concerned about not royally pissing off THOUSANDS of fans in their own city. I am not some blind VY homer who wants him here at all costs. If we had a Carson Palmer type at QB I would not be banging the drums for VY. Again, I can live with trading down. That probably makes the most sense football wise. However, if we want to be bold and go for the gold we would draft VY. The return will not be immediate but it will be sweeter in the end as he will take us to Super Bowl and win one for us. True Houston football fans know how much it would mean to us to make it the Super Bowl for the first time. We have been wanting to go forever. Stick with David Carr and you will be lucky to reach the playoffs instead of forming a dominant team.
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The bottom line is this: some fans may be pissed if we pass on Young, oh well...Fans want a winning team, so once we start winning again, the Young fans will come back...
 
I'm pretty dissapointed in the McNair led effort myself TexansFight. It's ok to express an opinion around here, but people will bash you for not thinking like the core group. I wish the posters would give football related or field related opinion more than just bash the posters who do not think in unison.
 
I could never drop the Oilers because my love and devotion to them started when I was a kid and had withstood the ups and downs.
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Seeing as the Oilers are the team slated to draft Vince, I don't see what the big deal is.
 
Vinny said:
I'm pretty dissapointed in the McNair led effort myself TexansFight. It's ok to express an opinion around here, but people will bash you for not thinking like the core group. I wish the posters would give football related or field related opinion more than just bash the posters who do not think in unison.
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People who voice their opinion may get some flak for it but for the most part their opinion is heard and debated.

Saying that you will quit being a fan if you dont get your way is not going to win anyone over though. I wouldnt expect fans of the Texans to react any other way than this.
 
Grid said:
People who voice their opinion may get some flak for it but for the most part their opinion is heard and debated.
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I read all the posts...you aren't educating me.
 
Bamboo said:
"Another ode to Vince Young played on a rusty trombone."

have you ever seen vince young play? the only thing that looks rusty are the defenders

Rose bowl
reggie bush 177 total yds
Vince Young 467 total yds

on the same field, it was obvious who carried leadership and his team, why would anyone NOT want that for the Texans??
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I guess I wasn't clear - I didn't say VY played like a rusty trombone. I was referring to the diatribe in the first post as sounding as an ode from a rusty trombone.

I usually respond to the "did you watch the games" type question by saying no, because such ad hominem attacks are useless. However I will answer this time.

The three games I really sat and watched him were the past two Rose Bowls and the Ohio State game. So I guess you could say I've seen him at his best.

I think Vince Young is a fine collegiate football player. Sadly, like any other player who has never played a down in the NFL he is unproven at that level - just like Bush, Leniart, D-Brick and everyone else in the draft. No one is a sure thing. Posts that guarantee hall of fame and super bowls due to one player just weaken the credibility of the poster, and unfortunately, similar posters.
 
Bamboo said:
"Another ode to Vince Young played on a rusty trombone."

have you ever seen vince young play? the only thing that looks rusty are the defenders

Rose bowl
reggie bush 177 total yds
Vince Young 467 total yds

on the same field, it was obvious who carried leadership and his team, why would anyone NOT want that for the Texans??
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This is a poorly made post!!

Reggie Bush, 177 rushing/receving comined and 1 TD against the #2 defense in the country. Bush ran the ball 13 times for 82 yards for a 6.3 AVG....do you know how crazy those stats are?? That's great!! He had 95 yards through the air, receiving 6 for 95 yards and a 15.8 avg. receiving. And all this against the #2 defense.

Meanwhile....VY went against a 43 ranked USC defense and threw for ZERO TDs.

In your post...it seems as if you're implying that Bush is trash when compared the Young. However....they play different positions and in reality....Bush made a huge impact according to his stats. Keep in mind that he was also limited in his touches on the ball. Why? That's up to the USC coaching staff....not at all Bush's fault. Imagine if he would have touched the ball more......I guarantee you that Texas doesn't want to imagine cause at the pace he was on....he could have embarrassed their highly praised #2 defense.
 
Better get used to my avatar. Yes, that will be the ultimate ****** slap to any longtime Houston fan. For the record, I will stop watching football altogether before I would ever root Bud, I don't care if he drafts JC.
 
TexansFight said:
Pray tell what have the Texans done to earn the various "superfans" on this board's undying loyalty. This is not the Oilers the team most of you grew up with. This is a new team that should be concerned about connecting with and making fans. I could never drop the Oilers because my love and devotion to them started when I was a kid and had withstood the ups and downs. Do you guys have any fond memories of guys like Moon, Jeffires, Childress, et al. leading the Texans to the playoffs. Hell no. Even the embarrassing **** about the Oilers were endearing to me like Jerry Glanville and Ladd Herzeg mooning a wedding in Buffalo.

I would think that as a NEW team the Texans would be concerned about not royally pissing off THOUSANDS of fans in their own city. I am not some blind VY homer who wants him here at all costs. If we had a Carson Palmer type at QB I would not be banging the drums for VY. Again, I can live with trading down. That probably makes the most sense football wise. However, if we want to be bold and go for the gold we would draft VY. The return will not be immediate but it will be sweeter in the end as he will take us to Super Bowl and win one for us. True Houston football fans know how much it would mean to us to make it the Super Bowl for the first time. We have been wanting to go forever. Stick with David Carr and you will be lucky to reach the playoffs instead of forming a dominant team.
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Many of the fans who responded come from different walks of life in the "what to do this off season" debate. There were some VY, Bush and trade down advocates. Also there were some Carr bashers and profound UT homers.

In the last three weeks we have debated this conundrum six ways to Sunday and what I think that is really being spouted out here from the other posters is that they are just tired.

Spend some time surfing the multitude of posts and you will find plenty of viewpoints that are just like yours, your view is represented very well here in my opinion. Keep coming back as I assure you we have many conflicting personalities and opinions here to entertain and make one think.
 
I stopped readind about half way through. Seriously, having followed Houston sports for 30 years does not give you more ethos then someone who is a new Texan fan (although they are few and far between thses days). Thats like me saying that my opinion is more credible because I have close to 1300 posts and you only have 50! You know what, Carr threw for 48 TD's and 4800 yards in college. There is no guarantee anything you do in college will translate, especially when you play in a system completly differant from what the Texans will run and when your team is at the bottom of the barell in terms of talent, not the most talented or second most talanted team in the country, probably one of the best teams in history...
 
TexansFight said:
I would think that as a NEW team the Texans would be concerned about not royally pissing off THOUSANDS of fans in their own city.
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I would think that a new team would do what it thinks it takes to win and not attempt to satisfy fans of a University. I have no ties to either school and am torn between Young, Bush or trade down. I'll be happy with whatever they decide. Any temper tantrum thrown by fans because someone on the team isn't THEIR choice should be ignored as fans the team can do without. As soon as the team starts winning, they'll jump right back on the bandwagon.

Winning cures everything.

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Let me guess, you went to UT right? And naturally you have a feud with Aggies. What this has to do with the Texans, I really have no idea. I havn't been happy with a numberous things the Texans have done and have been pretty vilified for going against the Homer norm. But it's clear to me that VY isn't our only solution. If we picked Bush, then ok, because DD can't last a season. If we picked VY, ok, we've shown Carr he's got a short leash to prove himself and compete ala Brees/Rivers. If we tradeded down and draft [insert player] and picked up additional draft picks then ok, we are trying to mend badly broken team in a shorter period of time. The point is, you can't say player X is the savior of this team. And realistically Capers had 1 bad year, last year, but every year before that he showed stead increase. I contend if it wasn't for the offseason miscues we had last year our team would have done better. We took a step back. But now that we are revamping the whole coaching staff it's going to take time to right this ship. To say you won't be a fan if we don't get VY is rediculous because I'm sure Ryan Leaf fans were thinking the same thing.
 
TexansFight said:
Pray tell what have the Texans done to earn the various "superfans" on this board's undying loyalty. This is not the Oilers the team most of you grew up with. This is a new team that should be concerned about connecting with and making fans. I could never drop the Oilers because my love and devotion to them started when I was a kid and had withstood the ups and downs. Do you guys have any fond memories of guys like Moon, Jeffires, Childress, et al. leading the Texans to the playoffs. Hell no. Even the embarrassing **** about the Oilers were endearing to me like Jerry Glanville and Ladd Herzeg mooning a wedding in Buffalo.

I would think that as a NEW team the Texans would be concerned about not royally pissing off THOUSANDS of fans in their own city. I am not some blind VY homer who wants him here at all costs. If we had a Carson Palmer type at QB I would not be banging the drums for VY. Again, I can live with trading down. That probably makes the most sense football wise. However, if we want to be bold and go for the gold we would draft VY. The return will not be immediate but it will be sweeter in the end as he will take us to Super Bowl and win one for us. True Houston football fans know how much it would mean to us to make it the Super Bowl for the first time. We have been wanting to go forever. Stick with David Carr and you will be lucky to reach the playoffs instead of forming a dominant team.
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Honestly, man, even the Oilers had their share of controversy. Where did two of Houston's greatest sports icons - Bum Phillips and Earl Campbell - finish their careers? (hint: not in Houston!) Read "Oiler Blues" when you get the chance, and you'll find out that Bud Adams has been one of the most hardassed owners in football (like having 6 head coaches in the first five years!!), and dude still doesn't have an NFL championship.

Players come, player go. Same for coaches. But we root for the team, not the individual.

I'm not flaming you or anything, but when you say that you're "not some blind VY homer who wants him here at all costs", everything else in your two posts indicate otherwise. You're willing to blow off an infant team (yes, 4 years is still a baby team) because they don't pick a player you like.

While I understand a desire to take certain players based upon unproven potential, you have to temper your passion with a reality check. Because being a long time fan of a team is about loyalty in spite of bad decisions, bad games, bad seasons, or bad coaches.

I hate to see the Texans lose a fan, but remember that the door will be open if/when you decide to come back into the fold. :howdy:
 
TexansFight said:
Let me lay down my credentials. I grew up in Houston and grew up being a diehard Houston sports fan. I lived and breathed Oilers football and whenever they lost I was down until Wednesday. Even now that I live in New York I follow all the Houston sports teams via the internet and listen to Houston sports talk over the internet and I make it home often to attend at least 3 Texans games a year.

I have been around these message boards for a while. In fact I was on the LA Times message board starting around 1999 discussing the expansion process and one of the Houston posters even went to the Chicago for the owner's meeting. I was ecstatic when we were awarded another team and loved the logo (not really the name) and was excited about everything about our new team. I own field box PSLs with my family and have spent a lot of money on this team. I thought with McNair we would have a golden age of football in Houston and that we finally had the owner we always deserved.

Well things haven't worked out so well. We had one of the most incompetent coaching staffs in NFL history over the past 4 years. These guys should have been gone a long time ago. McNair has let Casserly and his Reign of Error destroy the expansion bounty of draft picks and free agents which should have laid a foundation for success for this team. He has not addressed the offensive line since the beginning and he has made egregious errors that all of us know about. I have hated his drafts since the beginning. I was fine with Carr at the time but the rest of his picks even in that first draft were average to terrible. That Casserly still has a job is ridiculous.

Basically, I love Houston and am a Houston homer all the way around. However, if the Texans pass on VY and pick Bush instead that will be the final nail in the coffin for me as a fan of this team. I have great amount of anger towards this team. I feel that McNair sticks with losers like Carr and Capers way too long and is not proactive enough. The albatross, Casserly, is not going to admit to his mistake with Carr. We have witnessed boring football and a try not to make the score not like bad while not trying to win attitude that drove me crazy.

If the Texans want to be the Texags and associate with the losing tradition of aggy football that is fine by me. But they won't have me as a fan and I will root against them with great vigor. I am not alone in this regard. Checkout hornfans.com and see what other Houston UT fans have to say about this. A team that will pass on VY who would recapture the excitement we all felt when we beat the Cowboys in the first game multiplied by ten and would rather keep Carr is no team of mine. This is such a no brainer yet these guys will screw it up. I am so angry and disheartened by this team. Y'all can have Kubiag and the rest of these losers while I won't have team anymore like when the Oilers left. I will root for whatever team VY is on and hope that he will kill the Texans.
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The public in all 50 states including Texas have voted Reggie Bush should be the 1st pick in the draft. (Yes this was even after VY amazing RoseBowl game.)


No fan threatens to root against the team if the draft doesn't go their way. Your not a Texans' fan. Go back to the UT website and stay away from our team.
 
You won't want to hear this, but there is a lot of good rumors going around that Reggie McNeal is coming to the Texans...and Dat Nguyen isn't retiring. That's just a ploy. He's going to be our new MLB.

On the plus side, we're keeping McKinney. :)

This isn't college ball.
 
Vinny said:
I'm pretty dissapointed in the McNair led effort myself TexansFight. It's ok to express an opinion around here, but people will bash you for not thinking like the core group. I wish the posters would give football related or field related opinion more than just bash the posters who do not think in unison.
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How is TexansFight "not in unison?" There are a good thirty or so screw-Carr-love-Vince posters that pepper this board daily. If there is a backlash, it is because his initial thread was more or less completely a temper tantrum rant and offered little to nothing of any substance in the way of making a real case for drafting Young, other than "well I'll take my ball and go home if we don't."

To which we, the kids on the playground, just have to say: trust me, you won't be missed.
 
Chris Mortensen is the latest to call Jay Cutler the "Best quarterback available for the NFL draft come April."

Well, under your logic, let's go grab Cutler!


Mort says that this is the view of a growing number of NFL scouts, despite the media hype surrounding Vince Young and Matt Leinart. There is also growing belief that Cutler won't make it past Tennessee, the third pick of the Draft. Jan. 26 - 4:38 pm et
Source: ESPN.com Insider
 
LBC_Justin said:
No fan threatens to root against the team if the draft doesn't go their way. Your not a Texans' fan. Go back to the UT website and stay away from our team.
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We gain and lose fans every year due to players....some fans just follow players more than the team itself. I could name a bunch of Carr fans that wouldn't post here if Carr was gone. I've seen posters come and go as "fans" of this team due to player allegiance. It's just how it is.
 
Exascor said:
Winning cures everything.
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I agree with you completely. Yet we are most likely going to pass on one of the greatest leaders in college football history for a guy who has shown us nothing on the pro level. I want our QB to be a leader.
 
jerek said:
How is TexansFight "not in unison?" There are a good thirty or so screw-Carr-love-Vince posters that pepper this board daily. If there is a backlash, it is because his initial thread was more or less completely a temper tantrum rant and offered little to nothing of any substance in the way of making a real case for drafting Young, other than "well I'll take my ball and go home if we don't."

To which we, the kids on the playground, just have to say: trust me, you won't be missed.
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He can have an opinion just like you. He can take his virtual ball and go home too. It's his choice.
 
Vinny said:
He can have an opinion just like you. He can take his virtual ball and go home too. It's his choice.
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Sure, it's his choice. And I won't miss him if he does.

I've said it ten billion times: I don't agree that Vince is the savior of this team and I don't think we should draft him, all things/big picture considered. But I sit on this board daily because I love talking football and I enjoy reading the well-written opinions of other posters who have a case to make and can do so in credible fashion, even if I don't agree with some or the entirety of their conclusions. I have read plenty of good pro-Vince arguments and I have even learned a thing or two along the way, and as we get closer to the draft, I expect that I am going to enjoy this place and learn even more.

I don't like insubstantive tantrums, and I responded appropriately. Likewise, TexansFight can tell me to go **** myself if that's what he feels like typing, and if he does, so be it.
 
You guys and gals who are saying good riddance to the thread author ought to be ashamed of yourselves. This ins't Philly or Cleveland nor do we have the history or tradition that they do.

TexansFight-
I feel ya. I'm in the same boat yet I still live here. I get to go to about 3-4 games a year for free cuz a friend of mine has 4 PSL's in the lower level in the 120's or 130's and he can never get people to go with him after the mid-way point of the 2nd season. I've got to admit though, when he called this season I just let the phone ring. I did go with him to the Steelers game and seen a great team make our below average team look as though we were the Conference USA All Stars. The more the season went on and losing kept mounting up I just got sick. Then my 8 yr old son, who is a USC fan due to NCAA '06, said Reggie Reggie Reggie after they lost yet another game late in the season. I think it was the Rams game. I then wound up having to help him Google up Reggie and find hilights and I walked awy impressed. So losing the last game wasn't so bad cuz it solidified getting Bush. Then the Rose Bowl came and went and VY declared and pooped my pants cuz he's the one I've wanted all along. I thought before he declared that if we still suck again next year, which we will, then we'll have a shot at VY as well. Now I'm facing the facts that our team will make a poor football decision yet again. Although I do not share your obvious hatred for Aggies nor am I a UT grad or big fan even, I still think that there is something to be said for all that.

You know, there's people on these MB's saying that Management will take of care everything and the team will be fine. Phooey on that. This team and the management have made poor decisions everystep of the way.

Casserly said when he was defending his Ragone pick, "I learned from Joe Gibbs that you can never have too many QB's". Well Cass, we're extremely thin in that category.
Cass has also said that you can find quality RB's in later rounds and then tooted his horn on finding Stephen Davis and Dominick Davis. Now he's about to add another one to an already solid stable of RB's!?
The contradictions keep mounting up out of this guys mouth and it's making me sick.

McNair said when asked about how he feels about the in-state competition with America's Team and he said "I don't need to be America's Team, I just want to be Texas' Team". All right then, here's your big chance. Does he know that all other affiliates in the state have cancelled the Texans games. They are only able to be viewed here in the greater Houston area. I guess he doesn't care about any of that anymore. I knew I shouldn't have trusted him when he said he wasn't a born Texan but that he got here as soon as he could. Well, unless he's got that bumper sticker then I find it hard to believe him when he speaks of his love for Texas. As far a I'm concerned he'll be the owner of a Used Carr Sales lot in about 3 years. He'll be lucky to get a 6th rd' pick for him given that we haven't had to re-attatch his head too many times. And no chance of rolling back the sack-ometer.

I've made comments that I'll not be a fan of the team and so on but that would be ludicrous(sp). But I will have a hard time especially if the Texans can't get it right in about a season or 3. I'll still watch and all but I will not be a die-hard anymore. Not because they don't draft VY, but because they are a wounded franchise with poor decision made and poor decision makers that still hang around. Because they feel they need a QB that takes 7 years to develope only to find that he's about as developed as he's gonna get. Because they are the laughing stock of the NFL. Because they are the next coming of the Arizona Cards.

If this team doesn't want VY then fine, just don't expect me to buy some new QB's jersey when we draft him in the 10' rookie draft when we let Carr sputter away once his 3 yr option is up.

Worst case scenario: Young wins a SB (before we do, if we ever do) while the Game is hosted here. Even worse, imagine that with him in a Tenn uniform. Could you see Bud Adams on the stage on the 50 yrd line holding up the Lombardi trophy with VY holding up the SB MVP trophy. I'll be listenng to the game from the top of the Ship Channel with some bad intentions if that were to happen. Just kidding. Bob Mcnair and his Chronies would just cringe to the point of getting ulsers bad enough to put them all in Emergency Room.
Oh the headlines would be hilarious from coast to coast, nation to nation. I need to learn more languages.

So ya'll go ahead, tell me syanara (sp), get lost, not to let the door yada yada yada. Truth be told, if the Bush pick works out and we become a playoff regular for seasons to come in a season or 2 then fine. That is not a fairweather statement, I just want a team to make good decisions before I re-dedicate my allegiance to them. Sorry So F%$@# Long. Just want t rudeness from each of us to stop.
 
jerek said:
I don't like insubstantive tantrums, and I responded appropriately. Likewise, TexansFight can tell me to go **** myself if that's what he feels like typing, and if he does, so be it.
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AND, I don't like you bashing the fans of this message board and have banned you in the past for this. Keep it up and I'll do it again. You may not get back in next time. If you don't like somone's opinion you can debate the opinion...but keep bashing the fans themselves and see where it gets you.
 
Vinny said:
I'm pretty dissapointed in the McNair led effort myself TexansFight. It's ok to express an opinion around here, but people will bash you for not thinking like the core group. I wish the posters would give football related or field related opinion more than just bash the posters who do not think in unison.
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So it's OK to express your opinions while trying to demean a school in the process? Texags and Kubiag are great way to express a "football related" opinion. This post should have been locked as soon as it hit for flaming.
 
Exascor said:
So it's OK to express your opinions while trying to demean a school in the process? Texags and Kubiag are great way to express a "football related" opinion. This post should have been locked as soon as it hit for flaming.
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This isn't complex. Bash or bully the members here and you get tossed. Give all the opinion you want otherwise.
 
Isn't TexasFight the lawyer that constantly was coming up with lawsuit ideas on the old board or do I have him confused with someone else?


I'm sure a lot of Eagles fans wanted to disown them when they took McNabb instead of Ricky Williams. That was a huge mistake....:rolleyes:
 
Some thoughts.

1. I would like for the Texans to draft VY. I believe there are many logical, rational, legitimate reasons why he should be a #1 pick. I also understand the reasons why he might not be chosen.

2. It would make me puke if the Cryboys or Titanhicks get him because I really do think he will succeed in the NFL.

3. That being said, people who threaten to take their marbles and go home if a team doesn't pick a particular player are doing that player a disservice and doing the team a disservice. I would hate for people to become haters of VY because of the excesses and threats of some over zealous Vince supporters.

Not that anything said on a message board is likely to amount to a hill of beans, but if you feel the need to share your reasons why VY should be chosen, there are ways of doing so without trashing an organization that is trying really hard to win. It ain't easy building a franchise from scratch. The days are done where an organization can get a Landry to build a team up, go through some very ugly years and then eventually get to the Superbowl. We are in a very impatient society.

As someone who has lived through both the Oilers and the Texans, and have been a fan of other sports teams, I actually find that the Texans are very interested in knowing what their fans want and really do try to please them. WAYYYYY more than in the Oiler years. Even with all of that, you won't build a winning organization if you put it together via talk radio.

The reality is that we have the team that we have and the contracts that we have, and it may not be in the team's long term interests to take VY or Bush for that matter given all the depth issues that our team has. But we have months to figure those things out, and though I truly understand your emotions and reasons for thinking that VY is a great player, I do not understand at all your desire to trash the Texans months before the draft just because taking your favorite guy in the draft might not happen because he might not be the right player for the Texans.

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