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Glacier

Glacier

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Domanick Davis attempts 230 yards976 average 4.2 long 44 TDs 2
Jonathan Wells attempts 90 yards 325 average 3.6 long 14 TDs4


That was in '05 when DD was hurt. If you go back to '04


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Domanick Davis 302 1188 3.9 44 13
Jonathan Wells 82 299 3.6 14 3


How is it, if the Offensive line is SO horrible, you have had this kind of rushing production, yet your QB gets his *** beaten every game?

Is Carr coachable or is he another Drew Bledsoe who wants to pat the ball all day until he sees a throw he likes? Is he just slow to make reads and find receivers?

Why all the hype to take Reggie Bush when the production at RB is way better than the production at QB?

Fine, you don't want VY, then why not make a case for taking Wheinhart?
 
4ypc isn't really that great.... I think it's great considering the offensive line isn't that great. But people will remind you that there is a difference between run blocking, and pass blocking, which, they have a point. But I think DD getting hurt, is a result of that poor runblocking. I point to Ricky Williams in NewOrleans as my defense.

But... these same guys would also have you believe there is a difference in pass protection, also when David Carr is calling the shots (first half of the St Louis game, and any game David did well last year) and When Caper's/Pendry/Palmer/Donavan McNabb's Mother is calling the shots(the second half of the St Louis Game, and every game David suffered in).
 
Glacier said:
Domanick Davis attempts 230 yards976 average 4.2 long 44 TDs 2
Jonathan Wells attempts 90 yards 325 average 3.6 long 14 TDs4


That was in '05 when DD was hurt. If you go back to '04


Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Domanick Davis 302 1188 3.9 44 13
Jonathan Wells 82 299 3.6 14 3


How is it, if the Offensive line is SO horrible, you have had this kind of rushing production, yet your QB gets his *** beaten every game?

Is Carr coachable or is he another Drew Bledsoe who wants to pat the ball all day until he sees a throw he likes? Is he just slow to make reads and find receivers?

Why all the hype to take Reggie Bush when the production at RB is way better than the production at QB?

Fine, you don't want VY, then why not make a case for taking Wheinhart?
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Good points and I agree with most of them. However, pass protection and run blocking are two different things.

I do think Carr is slow to make reads, he always looks like he is locked onto one guy most of the time. However some will say that is due to poor pass protection.
 
thunderkyss said:
4ypc isn't really that great.... I think it's great considering the offensive line isn't that great. But people will remind you that there is a difference between run blocking, and pass blocking, which, they have a point. But I think DD getting hurt, is a result of that poor runblocking. I point to Ricky Williams in NewOrleans as my defense.

But... these same guys would also have you believe there is a difference in pass protection, also when David Carr is calling the shots (first half of the St Louis game, and any game David did well last year) and When Caper's/Pendry/Palmer/Donavan McNabb's Mother is calling the shots(the second half of the St Louis Game, and every game David suffered in).
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4 yards per carry is pretty freaking good dude.

If all you did was run on 1, 2, 3rd down averaging 4 yards a carry, your offense never leaves the field and would score every time.

I don't buy it. I understand there is a difference between run and pass blocking; however, these guys have been blocking forever. Something had to be breaking down in pass blocking. Either someone wasn't making the right blocking calls, David Carr stinks at getting rid of the ball quick or, people do not fear David Carr will burn them if they blitz him every down.

There has to be an explaination for why Dominack Davis can be productive behind that line and D Carr can't.
 
Glacier said:
There has to be an explaination for why Dominack Davis can be productive behind that line and D Carr can't.
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Like Hookem stated, run blocking and pass blocking are two totally different things.
Its not that hard to figure out.
 
TEXANS84 said:
Like Hookem stated, run blocking and pass blocking are two totally different things.
Its not that hard to figure out.
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I think that is an over simplified explaination. Look, I understand that David Carr has been "THE GUY" people root for in Houston. I understand he was the first over all pick in the draft. I understand fan loyalty and all that stuff. I really do, but at which point do you finally say, "it smells like a skunk, it looks like a skunk. It must be a skunk?"
 
thunderkyss said:
But... these same guys would also have you believe there is a difference in pass protection, also when David Carr is calling the shots (first half of the St Louis game, and any game David did well last year) and When Caper's/Pendry/Palmer/Donavan McNabb's Mother is calling the shots(the second half of the St Louis Game, and every game David suffered in).
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Don't make the mistake thinking I'm defending Carr.
 
It really is pretty easy. Texans fans want wins first and secondly be entertained. When you do not win and it is not entertaing to watch in a win or loss you start looking at value with a microscope or start reaching for the next flavor. Some fans will take a granular look and realize we have painful contracts or guys that did not live up to the hype and we will have to grow organically through the draft and a install a better coaching staff to get the most out of we have. And there are others that want to be wowed by a playmaker with the hope that the player will make an exponential difference.

I see no fault in either fan as the team, not the franchise, has not given us a lot to feel good about since the Cowboys game.
 
Glacier said:
I think that is an over simplified explaination. Look, I understand that David Carr has been "THE GUY" people root for in Houston. I understand he was the first over all pick in the draft. I understand fan loyalty and all that stuff. I really do, but at which point do you finally say, "it smells like a skunk, it looks like a skunk. It must be a skunk?"
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The GM has specifically targeted run blocking linemen in FA. The Texans as a group have a bunch of above average run-blockers and below average pass-blockers. You have 4-5 below-average pass-blockers and a half back that cannot pick up a blitz to save his life, and you have a QB on his **** a lot.
 
Glacier said:
Look, I understand that David Carr has been "THE GUY" people root for in Houston.
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If you would read back a few more months besides your joining date of January, you would recognize that Carr no longer is "the guy" people root for. Sure, he's going to get all of the attention because he is our starting quarterback, but with a 2-14 season...players need to be re-evaluated.

From another thread:

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Hell Send DD to Dallas. We will put him to good use.
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Ahh, we've found a cowboys fan...eh?
 
TEXANS84 said:
Ahh, we've found a cowboys fan...eh?
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I'm a Cowboys fan and have never denied it. I was also a Houston Oilers fan before they up and left Texas. (hard not to love guys like Warren Moon and before him Earl Campbell). I'd LIKE to be a Texan's fan but god....its painful to watch them play.

Incidentally, as I've said before, I am a "TEXAS" football fan. I like to see all Texas teams do well.

I'm excited about Kubiak coming to Texas. I wanted him in Dallas back when Jerry interviewed him. I think he will show people that Houston isn't as bad, talent wise, as everyone believes.
 
Glacier said:
Incidentally, as I've said before, I am a "TEXAS" football fan. I like to see all Texas teams do well.
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I grew up in Ft. Worth and have been a Cowboy fan all my life. I moved here in 1993 and I really want the Texans to do well. I like what you had to say here. I do see the rivalry but when I grew up in FW, my fav teams were the Cowboys, Rangers and Mavs but I always loved the Oilers and Astros and Rockets. I like most Texas teams in the pros. Not ripping Houston people because I am one and love it now but I never hear people in the DFW are talk about Houston much but the people here sure do talk about hatred for Dallas.
 
HoustonFrog said:
I grew up in Ft. Worth and have been a Cowboy fan all my life. I moved here in 1993 and I really want the Texans to do well. I like what you had to say here. I do see the rivalry but when I grew up in FW, my fav teams were the Cowboys, Rangers and Mavs but I always loved the Oilers and Astros and Rockets. I like most Texas teams in the pros. Not ripping Houston people because I am one and love it now but I never hear people in the DFW are talk about Houston much but the people here sure do talk about hatred for Dallas.
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I lived in Dallas also. Dallas people do have a hatred for Houston however it isn't directed at the Houston sports teams like it is in Houston. Normally you hear them saying Houston is a dump, it is polluted, over populated, the traffic sucks, etc, etc. When Houstonians dump on Dallas it is normally directed at the Cowboys.

The difference is, there aren't many Houston fans in Dallas. Most Dallas fans will root for Houston teams when they aren't playing each other. However, there are tons of Cowboys fans in Houston, and most of them have large mouths and bring the hate on themselves. One thing that surprised me in Dallas is the Cowboys fans there are a little different, most don't have diarrea of the mouth. They are actually pretty tolerable in Dallas unlike the ones in Houston and elsewhere.
 
Hookem Horns said:
However, there are tons of Cowboys fans in Houston, and most of them have large mouths and bring the hate on themselves. One thing that surprised me in Dallas is the Cowboys fans there are a little different, most don't have diarrea of the mouth. They are actually pretty tolerable in Dallas unlike the ones in Houston and elsewhere.
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This has been my experience, as well (living in Houston). Cowboys fans are few and far between around here when they are experiencing a losing season. But once they start winning, so many folks make the claim of being a Cowboys fan since they were little.

At which point I trap them in my circular logic maze, as follows:

DB: "So, you've lived in Dallas?"

CF: "No, Houston my whole life. But when I was little my parents were Cowboys fans."

DB: "So you come from a long line of bandwaggoners, 'eh? It runs in the family."

CF: "ummmmmm...."

:D I'm so mean....heh-heh-heh - j/k!! to all
 
Double Barrel said:
This has been my experience, as well (living in Houston). Cowboys fans are few and far between around here when they are experiencing a losing season. But once they start winning, so many folks make the claim of being a Cowboys fan since they were little.

At which point I trap them in my circular logic maze, as follows:

DB: "So, you've lived in Dallas?"

CF: "No, Houston my whole life. But when I was little my parents were Cowboys fans."

DB: "So you come from a long line of bandwaggoners, 'eh? It runs in the family."

CF: "ummmmmm...."

:D I'm so mean....heh-heh-heh - j/k!! to all
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I actually have it double bad. My mother's side of the family is in the Corpus, Houston area and are the typical Houstonian type Cowboy's haters.

My dads side of the family is mostly in the Metroplex now, which has the typical, "root for both Dallas and Houston" types.

Me personally, I like the Rockets and the Astros. The jury is out on the Texans. I want to see them win before I go buy a Texan's Jersey. (I'd buy a #10 Jersey, regardless, though. SUE ME! \m/ hook'em)
 
Most all your Dallas fans are manufactured from the America's Team hype from a number of years back. Same can be said about the Atlanta Braves fanbase. I'm sure there are some true born and raised Cowboy fans out there but I think they choose to remain quiet so as to not be lumped in with the rest of the other fabricated fans. I love conspiracy theories.:)
 
Completely agree. Everyone up here makes it out that it has to be EITHER Young OR Bush. If you decide you want to stick with Carr and not get Young, why does that mean you have to get Bush?

Our RB production is just fine. Morency was looking good as well. And Kubiak has a history of making 3rd and 4th round RB's great.

Burning a #1 pick on a running back just doesn't make sense to me.
 
Texan Asylum said:
Most all your Dallas fans are manufactured from the America's Team hype from a number of years back. Same can be said about the Atlanta Braves fanbase. I'm sure there are some true born and raised Cowboy fans out there but I think they choose to remain quiet so as to not be lumped in with the rest of the other fabricated fans. I love conspiracy theories.:)
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pffft as a child, I saw my mom cry when the Cowboys lost to the Steelers and again when Staubach retired. This despite all my uncles being Cowboys haters/Oilers fans....Yea, that sort of stuff leaves an impression on a kiddo.
 
Glacier said:
How is it, if the Offensive line is SO horrible, you have had this kind of rushing production, yet your QB gets his *** beaten every game?
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- Because the current line can run block, but they suck at pass blocking.
 
This topic has only showed up a few times on this board.

There is a difference between pass-blocking and and run-blocking. Carr-haters will try and tell you though that their isn't. I've heard some people people say that the Texans o-line is an above-average run team and a below average pass team, which was a very acurrate statement. The Texans have always done a relatively good job at running the ball, but they are **** when it comes to pass-protection. I'm just suprised the mods haven't combined this thread with the 8 others that are on this board.
 
Texan Asylum said:
Most all your Dallas fans are manufactured from the America's Team hype from a number of years back. Same can be said about the Atlanta Braves fanbase. I'm sure there are some true born and raised Cowboy fans out there but I think they choose to remain quiet so as to not be lumped in with the rest of the other fabricated fans. I love conspiracy theories.:)
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Wrong with this guy!!I grew up in the 70s in Ft. Worth. I started watching football as a Cowboys fan and had all my card with Charlie Watters, Preston Pearson, Stauback, Doug Cosbie, Jay Saldi, etc. I have never waivered. Threw my TV tray during the catch and have dealt with the bad seasons. The only thing that has changed over the years is that I have mellowed. Instead of every loss ruining a weekend where I would meet a Playmate, win the lottery and drink beer with friends, I just realize that they are going through a spell and that the league is up and down. There are alot more REAL Cowboy fans than you think. I love Houston and have been ragged on about my allegiances but I am a fan of the Texans also. And not all Cowboy fans are obnoxious. To tell you the truth, I've heard more whining about anything Dallas here on 610. When you dedicate songs like Eggan and Henson commercials, etc to the Cowboys "s%cking" then it makes me smile. I've never heard more crying than during that Rockets/Mavs series last year.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Wrong with this guy!!I grew up in the 70s in Ft. Worth. I started watching football as a Cowboys fan and had all my card with Charlie Watters, Preston Pearson, Stauback, Doug Cosbie, Jay Saldi, etc. I have never waivered. Threw my TV tray during the catch and have dealt with the bad seasons. The only thing that has changed over the years is that I have mellowed. Instead of every loss ruining a weekend where I would meet a Playmate, win the lottery and drink beer with friends, I just realize that they are going through a spell and that the league is up and down. There are alot more REAL Cowboy fans than you think. I love Houston and have been ragged on about my allegiances but I am a fan of the Texans also. And not all Cowboy fans are obnoxious. To tell you the truth, I've heard more whining about anything Dallas here on 610. When you dedicate songs like Eggan and Henson commercials, etc to the Cowboys "s%cking" then it makes me smile. I've never heard more crying than during that Rockets/Mavs series last year.
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Yea clearly anyone born in Texas not a Cowboys fan is clearly either 1. A Communist or 2. A part of a Sleeper Cell in Al Queda. :stirpot: :stirpot: :stirpot:

\m/

In any event, this thread has been derailed in a big way.
 
Glacier said:
Yea clearly anyone born in Texas not a Cowboys fan is clearly either 1. A Communist or 2. A part of a Sleeper Cell in Al Queda. :stirpot: :stirpot: :stirpot:

\m/

In any event, this thread has been derailed in a big way.
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:ok: Never said that either...lol. Just playing nice and supporting my teams.
 
You are obviously a True Cowboy fan, but to be totally honest don't you have to admit that the Cowboy fans I was eluding to are more fickle when it comes to the terms in which they'll show their support of their team. I know of one such fan that'll tell me my team sucks in one breath and couldn't even tell me how his Cowboy team is doing in the next. By the way his favorite baseball team is...you quessed it right, Braves.
 
HoustonFrog said:
:ok: Never said that either...lol. Just playing nice and supporting my teams.
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I know I know. :)


I'm being facetious and seeing how many more "hate points" i can get on this board.

Anyone sick of all the speculation already? I want a coaching staff in place yesterday and the draft tomorrow already.

It is nice having more than one Pro football team to be interested in here lately.
 
Texan Asylum said:
You are obviously a True Cowboy fan, but to be totally honest don't you have to admit that the Cowboy fans I was eluding to are more fickle when it comes to the terms in which they'll show their support of their team. I know of one such fan that'll tell me my team sucks in one breath and couldn't even tell me how his Cowboy team is doing in the next. By the way his favorite baseball team is...you quessed it right, Braves.
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Yup, I know some guys who pretty much have done the same thing I am seeing here. Fire Landry and I'm gone, Hire Switzer and I'm gone, Parcells is overrated. There is a new cry with some of them yearly. I just try and prove they aren't all like that.
 
I quess I base my opinion of a true Cowboys fan on my poor ol' brother-in-law. First, he marries my sister and second he's a Cowboys fan.:) He's a Die-hard, True-blue fan of both no matter what happens.:)
 
HoustonFrog said:
Yup, I know some guys who pretty much have done the same thing I am seeing here. Fire Landry and I'm gone, Hire Switzer and I'm gone, Parcells is overrated. There is a new cry with some of them yearly. I just try and prove they aren't all like that.
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Parcells is awesome....I just hate his offensive philosophy.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Not ripping Houston people because I am one and love it now but I never hear people in the DFW are talk about Houston much but the people here sure do talk about hatred for Dallas.
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I think it's because Dallas is America's team, and we're the butt of America's Jokes.....



but times are a changing....
 
There's lots of people associated with the Cowboys that I like and have liked, but too bad they all had one horrible thing in common...Cowboys.:)
 
Texan Asylum said:
By the way his favorite baseball team is...you quessed it right, Braves.
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Wow, I haven't seen a Braves fan since I left South Carolina.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think it's because Dallas is America's team, and we're the butt of America's Jokes.....



but times are a changing....
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THIS.....this is why I come to these boards.

Hearing stuff like, "Today, The Texans snatched defeat from the maw of Victory." on national TV pisses me off, even if I am NOT a hardcore Texan's fan. I don't want to hear stuff like that bout Texas Football Teams.

Times are changing...Kubiak 4 the win. It is a VERY good time to be interested in The Texans, no matter what happens with that #1 pick.
 
4 yards a carry is considered pretty average. The best runners should get 4.50-5 each carry. The problem with Wells and Davis is they are Woody Hayes, 3 yards and a cloud of dust, runners. It would be nice to see someone that can outrun a DL.
 
How is David Carr totally to blame when he gets 0.0001 seconds to throw before he's sacked? Sure, maybe Carr isn't perfect. Maybe he should even be replaced. But the O-line is DEFINITELY at fault, here. Don't kid yourself into thinking it's not. If you'd watched even one game, you'd probably notice that on most snaps, the pocket breaks down almost instantly around Carr. No QB in the league could survive that. It's pathetic.
 
Texan Asylum said:
There's lots of people associated with the Cowboys that I like and have liked, but too bad they all had one horrible thing in common...Cowboys.:)
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I like the Cowboys as well as the texans, so what if the cowboys were 9-7 they still didn't make the playoffs like the texans, and both ol stink, but the cowboys ol was banged up. Just imagine if Carr had the OL that Aikman had? This season will tell the tale on how the texans can turn things around.
 
Glacier said:
4 yards per carry is pretty freaking good dude.

If all you did was run on 1, 2, 3rd down averaging 4 yards a carry, your offense never leaves the field and would score every time.

I don't buy it. I understand there is a difference between run and pass blocking; however, these guys have been blocking forever. Something had to be breaking down in pass blocking. Either someone wasn't making the right blocking calls, David Carr stinks at getting rid of the ball quick or, people do not fear David Carr will burn them if they blitz him every down.

There has to be an explaination for why Dominack Davis can be productive behind that line and D Carr can't.
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You wouldnt neccessarily consistently get first downs. DD could break off a 20 yard run, average 20 ypc after the first carry. Second run get stuffed at the line. 10ypc average. Get stuffed at the line again. And again. That would give you a 5 ypc average and yet youve only picked up one first down
 
Farough said:
You wouldnt neccessarily consistently get first downs. DD could break off a 20 yard run, average 20 ypc after the first carry. Second run get stuffed at the line. 10ypc average. Get stuffed at the line again. And again. That would give you a 5 ypc average and yet youve only picked up one first down
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You just described Barry Sanders--who many think is the best RB of all time.
 
One thing that makes the run production even more remarkable is that opponents haven't had to focus much on the passing game which has been terrible. Most of the time this year they didn't throw the long ball at all.
 
Run blocking is a LOT easier to do than pass blocking. Pass requires everyone to operate on the same page and the protection package that's called by the center in most cases, has to be the right one.
 
You know what I don't understand about Houston fans Glacier? I don't understand how come many of them don't understand the simple difference between pass protection and run blocking. That's the real mystery here. I don't understand why they can't seem to grasp that the new offense under Kubiak and whoever he chooses for the OC position will be different than our old offense under Capers and Palmer/Pendry. I don't see why they want to throw away Carr before they even see if it was him or what the Texans were asking him to do.

I personally see an enormous upgrade by going from Domanick Davis to Reggie Bush but like you I say "Hey, you don't like Reggie Bush then how about we trade down and pick up some extra draft picks". Ok, that's not what you said about Vince Young but it's what I say about Reggie Bush. I'm not set on a RB. I think he's worthy of the #1 overall pick but I'm not married the choice. If we don't take him then I say trade down.

Now you want a QB apparently but we've got one who's played four years on an expansion team. It's too soon to go closing the book on David Carr. Only a fool would look at this entire picture, taking into account the player, the system, the coaches, and the talent level around him during this four year span and conclude that we need a QB. Making this move and replacing our QB now is how you become the Cleveland Browns. Firing Dom after 2003 would have been an example of how you become the Cleveland Browns. During the darkest moments of this past season I said that I thought we had become the Cleveland Browns but that just wasn't true. Four years is enough time to see what a coaching staff can do. If you conclude that they're not getting it done then you can't indict players who played in that same flawed system.
 
Hey everyone. I'm new to the board here, and I'm hoping for a better season come next year. After reading some of the posts in this thread, I have to say that I was once a Dallas fan myself along with my Dad. But Jerry was too much of a knucklehead every year, especially when he put Campo in charge of coaching.
So, from the time I found out Houston was getting a team, I decided to support the Texans 100 percent from their inception on, instead of rooting for my Dad's favorite team. I figured I would rather say that I was with a team from their beginning, through all their ups and downs, instead of staying with a sinking ship. (Plus, I'm only an hour from Houston now with my job, so I am definitely for sticking with my "home team.") So I've been rooting for them since the first preseason game.
With Kubiak at the helm, I look to see drastic changes within the next two years. As much as I respected Capers as a person, it was easy to see that changes needed to be made, and Kubiak is certainly the first step in the right direction. Once we become more offense-minded, I think we'll be a force to be reckoned with on Sundays.
It's great to be here!:redtowel:
 
Welcome to the Texans funny pages, OrangeCountyTexansFan. Glad you've dedicated your fanship to our beloved team. :thumbup

I agree with you about Kubiak. We've got a bright future ahead of us, and don't let anyone steal your joy or tell you any different. :howdy:
 
OrangeCountyTexansFan said:
Hey everyone. I'm new to the board here...
It's great to be here!:redtowel:
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Welcome aboard OC TexFan!:redtowel:
You have the same story as myself... except I now live in San Diego!

Don't worry to much about the #1 Pick debates.... all in all this is great board.

We have a lot of good thing to look forward to...:superman:

Let's go TEXANS!:ok:
 
infantrycak said:
You just described Barry Sanders--who many think is the best RB of all time.
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Sanders had more elusiveness, quickness and slightly more speed than DD (although both can get caught from behind). DD might have similar characteristics, but he doesn't have the big play capabilities of Sanders (I'm sure if you looked up the % of 20+, 40+, and 60+ yard plays per attempt by each, and the difference would be drastic).

IMO Sanders is a top 3, if not the best, RB of all time.
 
Hervoyel said:
You know what I don't understand about Houston fans Glacier? I don't understand how come many of them don't understand the simple difference between pass protection and run blocking. That's the real mystery here. I don't understand why they can't seem to grasp that the new offense under Kubiak and whoever he chooses for the OC position will be different than our old offense under Capers and Palmer/Pendry. I don't see why they want to throw away Carr before they even see if it was him or what the Texans were asking him to do.

I personally see an enormous upgrade by going from Domanick Davis to Reggie Bush but like you I say "Hey, you don't like Reggie Bush then how about we trade down and pick up some extra draft picks". Ok, that's not what you said about Vince Young but it's what I say about Reggie Bush. I'm not set on a RB. I think he's worthy of the #1 overall pick but I'm not married the choice. If we don't take him then I say trade down.

Now you want a QB apparently but we've got one who's played four years on an expansion team. It's too soon to go closing the book on David Carr. Only a fool would look at this entire picture, taking into account the player, the system, the coaches, and the talent level around him during this four year span and conclude that we need a QB. Making this move and replacing our QB now is how you become the Cleveland Browns. Firing Dom after 2003 would have been an example of how you become the Cleveland Browns. During the darkest moments of this past season I said that I thought we had become the Cleveland Browns but that just wasn't true. Four years is enough time to see what a coaching staff can do. If you conclude that they're not getting it done then you can't indict players who played in that same flawed system.
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Overall, I think this was a fairly good post, but I'd like to tack on mi dos pesos.

First, If we trade down, fine. If we draft Vince, fine. I only think it is a loss, if we Draft Regie Bush, because I think we'll be spin our wheels. I'm under the impression we are interested in Kubiak because of his run blocking system in Denver. His ability to make anybody a 1600yard back. I also think we have the backs to do that. No reason for a RB #1 overall. So I really think McNair is just pumping the value of the pick, with that in mind. I honestly don't see how Reggie Bush is a fit on this team. Then, if this run blocking is easier than pass blocking.... Kubiak's teams are great at RunBlocking.... then we'll have to teach car how to work behind a line that can't pass block as well as they run block..... hence, Vince Young is a good fit. If David would have gotten himself hurt sometime in the last two years, I'd be with you, we owe him another shot. But he hasn't, we've seen him... DD on the other hand, I think it is perfectly normal,and we should've expected DD to be hurt with the carries he gets, behind the line he has, and trying to take it between the tackles. He deserves one more year more than anyone else on this team with the new coach.

The Browns started with a rookie QB, how did that turn out?? How long did it take you to figure out he wasn't going to make it?? 4 years?? Wow... really??
anyway.

Kubiaks going to improve our run game. We are going to be a much better team regardless who we draft... whether Carr is here or not... I don't think Reggie adds anything to this team, that we don't already have. You want to stop the double teams on Andre?? teach Gaffney how to catch...... consistently provide a whole for DD to run to. Open up passing lanes for Carr.

If you're going to be using the pick, take the BPA who gives you something we don't have..... a playmaker that makes plays with his arm outside of the pocket... an option, in Case Carr gets hurt..... an option in Case Carr ain't the one... a reason to come back in 2007, if all heck breaks loose.
 
I rooted for the Cowboys until one fateful day when I was 10. The Oilers and Cowboys were playing, and we had brought 4 families together for the Thanksgiving. The rest of my family was indifferent towards the game, but the other three families were wholeheartedly rooting for the Cowboys. Both were playoff caliber teams, yet the locals were rooting for the "other guys".

This really baffled me, and led me to start hating them. I still view anyone from Houston that roots for Dallas first and foremost as the quintessential bandwagon loser (root for the better team, not your own team). They are the Benedict Arnold of fans as far as I am concerned.
 
TheOgre said:
I rooted for the Cowboys until one fateful day when I was 10. The Oilers and Cowboys were playing, and we had brought 4 families together for the Thanksgiving. The rest of my family was indifferent towards the game, but the other three families were wholeheartedly rooting for the Cowboys. Both were playoff caliber teams, yet the locals were rooting for the "other guys".

This really baffled me, and led me to start hating them. I still view anyone from Houston that roots for Dallas first and foremost as the quintessential bandwagon loser (root for the better team, not your own team). They are the Benedict Arnold of fans as far as I am concerned.
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bah, Dallas hasn't always been the better team.
 
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